Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2011 12:52

A US bull in a Pakistani china shop!
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... 3740&Cat=2
Farrukh Saleem
Saturday, October 22, 2011

ISLAMABAD: A confused America has the mentality of an improperly castrated, horned wild bull. That’s America. Pakistan right now is a china shop - politically, economically and diplomatically. These are both facts.

Obama, with his popularity rating down to 35 percent, is confused. Secretary Clinton’s Department of State is all about talk, talk, talk. Secretary Panetta’s Department of Defence is all about fight, fight, fight. The White House comes out with talk, fight, talk.

In Pakistan, at the political level, Nawaz Sharif has launched his “Go Zardari Go” street campaign. All other Pakistani politicians are at each other’s throats. On the economic front, Pakistan Railways has collapsed. PIA has crashed. Our government is bankrupt. And we have neither oil nor electricity. At the diplomatic level, we cannot even count three friends out of the 193 member-states of the United Nations. Pakistan is isolated like never before. To top it all, Maulvi Fazlullah, regrouping in Nuristan, is now vowing a “new war” on Pakistan.

Are we misreading the American bull? Pakistani narrative is that Afghanistan has castrated America. And, embedded in that castration is Afghanistan of our dreams; ruled by the Commander of the Faithful, Mullah Mohammed Omar. Based on the same narrative are Paktia, Paktika and Khost of our dreams; ruled by Maulavi Jalaluddin Haqqani, the one-time asset of the CIA.

The fact is that we are the only one sleeping with the dream of a Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. China, our ‘all weather friend’, has tried to wake us up-more than once. The United States, Iran, Russia and India all have their own dreams-their dreams clash with our own. Surely, dreams are nothing more than ‘imaginary transactions, wild conceits and idle fancies’.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2011 12:55

Pakistan Pulls Closer to a Reluctant China
New York Times - Jane Perlez - ‎Oct 6, 2011‎
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — As relations with Washington plummeted in the aftermath of the killing of Osama bin Laden in May, Pakistan's leaders turned to China, which is seen here as an enduring all-weather friend, an alternative to the ...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2011 12:57

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asi ... 96749.html

Jonathan Pollack is with The Brookings Institution in Washington:

"There are signs of increased unease in some Chinese circles today about Pakistan, its stability, the degree to which the leadership effectively controls all these different situations," said Pollack. "Some of which, are very much to China’s detriment."

The Heritage Foundation's Lisa Curtis says China's concerns about stability are very similar to the United States.

"I think they are trying to convince the domestic audience that they still have support and that China is more important than the U.S., but they themselves know that China is not going to bail them out, when push comes to shove," said Curtis.

China's trade with India is one telling indicator of just how far Pakistan - China economic ties have to go.

"Whatever the competition and animosities between China and India, the Chinese are now doing 10 times the trade they are doing with India that they are doing with Pakistan," said Pollack.

Still, the analysts say there are no signs China will give up on Pakistan. What they do expect to see, is more assessment of the opportunities and risks Pakistan provides.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2011 12:59

Pakistan and America: What kind of relationship?
BY ETHAN CASEY ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2011 | COMMENTS (6)
http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/21/pakistan ... nship.html
I try to express what I’m about as a writer by saying that I don’t do policy recommendations. What I mean is that I’m much more interested in people, and how they make do and get by and (try to) get along with each other, despite misunderstandings and sometimes genuine deep differences, than I am in states and statecraft.

I’m only too well aware that this is a contrarian way to write about Pakistan because, to most Americans, Pakistan amounts to little more than a problem to be solved. As it happens, this Saturday I’ll be taking part in a panel discussion in the US city of Indianapolis, hosted by the hardworking Pakistan American Friendship Association. The event’s title is “Pakistan Problem Paradigm,” and I’m being asked to address the question: “Is Pakistan a problem that needs to be solved?” The answer is that it depends on what you mean by Pakistan. American habits of mind, reflected in the culture of US publishing, are exemplified by the New York literary agent who, when I told him I had published a book on Pakistan, asked me: “What’s your argument?”

Is it necessary to have an argument? Bruce O. Riedel certainly has one. Riedel is a former CIA officer, advisor to President Obama, and fellow at the influential Brookings Institution in Washington who published a blunt op-ed article last Saturday in the New York Times. Just how blunt is clear by the headline: “A New Pakistan Policy: Containment.”

Riedel’s argument about the duplicity of the Pakistani military and intelligence establishment is all too sound. For example, he writes that Pakistan’s generals “have sidelined and intimidated civilian leaders elected in 2008. They seem to think Pakistan is invulnerable, because they control Nato’s supply line from Karachi to Kabul and have nuclear weapons.”

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2011 13:03

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asi ... 04063.html

Bharat Karnad at New Delhi’s Center for Policy Research says India could be adversely impacted if relations between the Washington and Islamabad further deteriorate.

“If push comes to shove and things get so bad [between Pakistan and the U.S.], then obviously there is going to be some spillover effects on India, in the sense then that the ISI and their Pakistan army controllers might feel they have absolutely nothing to lose because they have so much on their platter, a little added danger of inciting those militant groups to strike at Indian targets and so on would be worth the risk," Karnad said. "That is the kind of thing perhaps what the government of India is worried about.”

India has long accused Pakistan of allowing militant networks which target India to operate from its soil.

But in recent months, there has been a thaw in relations between the longtime South Asian rivals. The neighbors revived their stalled peace dialogue last year and are now trying to work out a trade deal to boost commerce.

Karnad says there is optimism in both countries about the peace dialogue.

“They are on the up and up. Here the government of India is reaching out in very substantive ways and the Pakistani regime is responding. And I don’t think that has in any way been derailed, by anything that is happening between Islamabad and Washington,” he said.

Indian leaders say that peace and stability in Pakistan is necessary not only for India and South Asia, but for the whole world, and have often called on Islamabad to clamp down on militant groups operating from its soil.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2011 13:08

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... st-ISI-men

“When we learn that an officer from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, is aiding terrorism, whether in Afghanistan or India, we should put him on wanted lists, sanction him at the United Nations and, if he is dangerous enough, track him down,” he said… Putting sanctions on organisations in Pakistan has not worked in the past, but sanctioning individuals has as the nuclear proliferator Abdul Qadeer Khan could attest,” he added.
“For far too long, the US has banked on the Pakistan Army to protect American interests,” said the author of: Deadly Embrace: Pakistan, America and the Future of the Global Jihad. “Now we need to contain that army’s aggressive instincts, while helping those who want a progressive Pakistan and keeping up the fight against terrorism.” At the outset of his op-ed piece, Riedel said, “(We) must recognise that the two countries’ (US and Pakistan’s) strategic interests are in conflict, not harmony, and will remain that way as long as Pakistan’s army controls Pakistan’s strategic policies.
The generals who run Pakistan have not abandoned their obsession with challenging India,” Riedel said, adding that they tolerate terrorists at home, seek a Taliban victory in Afghanistan and are building the world’s fastest-growing nuclear arsenal.
“They have sidelined and intimidated civilian leaders elected in 2008. They seem to think Pakistan is invulnerable, because they control NATO’s supply line from Karachi to Kabul and have nuclear weapons,” he added.
The generals also think time is on their side - that NATO is doomed to give up in Afghanistan, leaving them free to act as they wish there, therefore they have concluded that the sooner America leaves, the better it will be for Pakistan.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2011 13:12

Pak army, ISI training us, says captured militant
Ehsan Fazili/TNS
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20111003/main4.htm
Srinagar, October 2
Foiling a major infiltration bid in Machchil sector on the LoC, the Army has apprehended a militant of the Lashkar-e-Toiba outfit, a defence spokesman here said.

During preliminary interrogation, the militant Nissar Ahmed, who was arrested on Friday, revealed that he belonged to Karachi (Pakistan). The Army recovered one AK-47 rifle and a large quantity of ammunition from his possession.

According to Lieutenant General SA Hasnain, GoC, Chinar Corps, the arrest of the Pakistani militant has exposed the nexus between the ISI, the Pakistan army and militant organisations imparting training to Pakistani youth to carry out acts of terror in Kashmir.

He also highlighted the complicity between the ISI and the Pakistan army in setting up terror infrastructure in Pakistani hinterland and the PoK to spread militancy and disrupt peace and harmony in Kashmir.

The defence press release said Nissar Ahmed revealed that he had been recruited and initially trained at the LeT training facility at Manshera and was part of a group of 12 terrorists, who had been trained in use of various kinds of weapons, explosives, navigation and communication equipment by a group of trainers from the Pakistan army and the ISI. His training commander was Abdullah Shaheen.

The militant disclosed that after the initial training at Manshera, their group was transported to the LeT training camp at Jamgarh and, thereafter, they were moved to a training camp near Kel Military Garrison opposite the Machhil sector, where they received intensive training in use of weapons and explosives.

The militant has confirmed that seven members of the group under Abu Talha were selected for infiltration into Kashmir through the Machhil sector, the defence spokesman said. They were provided with arms, ammunition and other communication equipment and were moved forward to a launch pad in the vicinity of a Pakistan army Post, the spokesman added.

The number of infiltration attempts from across the LoC along Baramulla-Kupwar-Bandipore has been increased during the recent weeks ahead of winter when the high peak mountain areas remain snowbound, making infiltration difficult for the militants.

Last week, five unidentified infiltrators and four security personnel were killed in a five-day encounter, which began last Monday in the Shamsbari range on the LoC in Kupwara district of north Kashmir.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Oct 2011 13:21

SSridhar wrote: His understanding of the Pakistani problem is good but his prescription is awful.

When a man is so constipated that he feels a hard lump in his bottom which just won't come out his "understanding" of constipation is top notch - Harvard level. But his prescriptions are the problem. He knows what is, but has no clue what to do and just manages to let off some stinking gas around the problem.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Oct 2011 17:18

Bad news for pakistan. US is completely withdrawing from Iraq by year end.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Oct 2011 17:19

abhijitm wrote:Bad news for pakistan. US is completely withdrawing from Iraq by year end.

Yes indeed. Frees up a lot of American assets. Also US can concentrate only on one war!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Oct 2011 17:30

^^ the way things are going US must have set kind of a deadline wrt pakis. Military build up near North Waziristan, Gulam Khan and at the same time negotiations are heating up. Sign of if one thing doesn't work then...

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 22 Oct 2011 17:32

Acharya wrote:http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asi ... 04063.html
Bharat Karnad at New Delhi’s Center for Policy Research says India could be adversely impacted if relations between the Washington and Islamabad further deteriorate.

“If push comes to shove and things get so bad [between Pakistan and the U.S.], then obviously there is going to be some spillover effects on India, in the sense then that the ISI and their Pakistan army controllers might feel they have absolutely nothing to lose because they have so much on their platter, a little added danger of inciting those militant groups to strike at Indian targets and so on would be worth the risk," Karnad said. "That is the kind of thing perhaps what the government of India is worried about.”

Basically what he is saying is TSP will do another 26/11 and US/KSA/PRC will rush to prevent another "nuclear war". That means giving $$ to TSP and keeping them alive. India would rather keep the status quo

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Oct 2011 17:40

^ what if pakis miscalculate and we bite the bullet?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2011 18:02

abhijitm wrote: the way things are going US must have set kind of a deadline wrt pakis. Military build up near North Waziristan, Gulam Khan and at the same time negotiations are heating up. Sign of if one thing doesn't work then...

That's the difference I see this time unlike earlier occasions. Ms. Clinton wants action within weeks and that is a deadline. PA has been claiming for the last one year that it would choose the time and place of its convenience but has done zilch so far. OTOH, it has been colluding with the Haqqanis to attack the Americans, a double crime. Now, they have received a deadline. Again, the amassing of the troops across the border, another new thing. In the meanwhile, the Congress is threatening to squeeze the aid funnel. Whether the US would call the Pakistani bluff or not this time around, is just a few weeks away at the most, IMHO.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Oct 2011 18:09

If in the next weeks one starts to see some Taliban or Al Qaeda people falling down like flies, then Taliban too would know that Kiyani has buckled.

If that impression does take form, then it would be difficult for Kiyani to do taqiyya with his junior officers that it is all part of Jihad Plan. He will face mutiny!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Oct 2011 18:28

Like a loser compulsive gambler pakis are taking too many bets. Bet taliban rule in Afghanistan, bet US won't dare to attack, bet India won't dare to attack, bet china will share the risk, bet pakistan will survive and so on. More they lose riskier their bets will be.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Oct 2011 18:42

Recently all paki newspapers are running stories of abysmally sorry state of their railway. This worries me a lot because more attention means more chances of finding some solution or workaround. Why can't pakis accept the reality of life and just move on?

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 22 Oct 2011 19:00

abhijitm wrote:Recently all paki newspapers are running stories of abysmally sorry state of their railway. This worries me a lot because more attention means more chances of finding some solution or workaround. Why can't pakis accept the reality of life and just move on?

To solve their problem, they need lot of funding which can come from only China but I doubt even tallel-deepel would fund in the current atmosphere.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Oct 2011 19:03

Afghanistan will support pakistan in case of US attack
hain!!!
now Karazai is taking bets on US attacking pakistan

Afghanistan and Afghan people will be standing with Pakistan and their Pakistani brethren if any one including US and India attacked Pakistan, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told a local private TV channel, during an interview. Karzai said that no one including US, India and China could incite Afghanistan and Afghan people against Pakistan. He said if Pakistan was attacked even by US or India, Afghanistan will support Pakistan. He said that though they had complaints against Pakistani establishment, but they (Afghanis) could not forget the hospitality, brotherhood and support the Pakistani brethren extended to them during their exile during the Afghan war. Regarding his recent visit to India during which Afghanistan signed strategic partnership pact with India, he said that it had nothing to do with the recent stained relations between Pakistan and US, saying that the visit had long been planned before the recent Pak-US tension.

Karzai has good sense of humor

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Oct 2011 19:04

The US-Pakistan Conundrum: Pakistan Watch Blog

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Oct 2011 19:17

abhijitm wrote:Afghanistan will support pakistan in case of US attack
hain!!!
now Karazai is taking bets on US attacking pakistan

Afghanistan and Afghan people will be standing with Pakistan and their Pakistani brethren if any one including US and India attacked Pakistan, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told a local private TV channel, during an interview. Karzai said that no one including US, India and China could incite Afghanistan and Afghan people against Pakistan. He said if Pakistan was attacked even by US or India, Afghanistan will support Pakistan. He said that though they had complaints against Pakistani establishment, but they (Afghanis) could not forget the hospitality, brotherhood and support the Pakistani brethren extended to them during their exile during the Afghan war. Regarding his recent visit to India during which Afghanistan signed strategic partnership pact with India, he said that it had nothing to do with the recent stained relations between Pakistan and US, saying that the visit had long been planned before the recent Pak-US tension.
Karzai has good sense of humor

Thanks to all the power projects and roads built by India in afghanistan, there is an Indian made lamp post or traffic light post some where in kabul waiting for this ungrateful wretch.

In traditional afghani style, let's hope that he likes the taste of his own genitals!! stuffed raw into his mouth a la Mohammad Najibullah

He's next after ghadaffi

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 22 Oct 2011 19:40

shiv wrote: The reason I must continue to disagree with this viewpoint is that the following statement is wrong:
we complain that there is hardly any 'piss lobby' on the other side, OTOH we do not appreciate when something like this comes along.
We know the types of piss lobbies that exist, they have been marked and classified, and this forum has been at the forefront of highlighting and popularizing articles from Pakistanis that expose Pakistan. There is nothing really new in the video other than the fact that it strikes a chord with English speaking people on the internet.

But what is worse is that many on BRF have also pointed out exactly how the kind of "liberal view" expressed in the video is used. Such "liberal" Pakistanis, when asked about India say "See how we openly criticize our army and our politicians. Indians never criticize their Kashmiri raping army and their fundamentalist Narendar Mody government". No matter how many times Pakis play this game it amazes me that there are Indians ready and waiting to fall for it. And again I am seeing a replay with this video. It is not at all clear to me how the content of the video can be equated with some kind of "peace lobby" in Pakistan

For me the lesson is that we really have no business being critical of Mahesh Bhatt, Arundhati Roy, Mani Shankar Aiyer etc because Indians fundamentally have this "let's make peace and love to Pakistan" streak in them that makes them jump up and embrace any sign of ostensible normality in that cesspool, rapidly forgetting how such normal behavior is invariably and repeatedly turned against Indians and used as justification to cheer terrorism.

Sorry sir, very very strong disagreement here.

Shiv sir, IMO things are past a certain stage so I don't see TSPians being to convince anyone based on that 1 video.

For example, no one will be playing cricket there anytime soon, only fast pace attack from the likes of Helary, Petreaus, Mullen at the moment.

My problem is, when you browse comments section of a typical for example youtube videos/news one can see the 'dumbing down' of the language being used in that. It is just pathetic. I mean where does one start.

There is only a very small lobby in TSP, of a dozen people in the public life that one could say that India could make peace with, OTOH India has the problem of plenty and the path to disaster is literred with good intentions.

These guys are voicing (are not even a lobby) a few things (without bringing the Kashmir) in a 3 min song, I would support that.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Oct 2011 19:46

chetak wrote:Thanks to all the power projects and roads built by India in afghanistan, there is an Indian made lamp post or traffic light post some where in kabul waiting for this ungrateful wretch.

dont take him seriously. He didnt mean what he said. Poor guy trying to hedge risk of his country getting dragged into the heat of the eventuality of US pak conflict.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Oct 2011 20:18

SSridhar wrote: The guy starts with 'how should the world respond to Pakistan’s continued tango with Islamist terror organizations' and ends up with India making all the concessions !

His understanding of the Pakistani problem is good but his prescription is awful.

Indeed but that pescription is the one written in Washington and London.

The script that seems etched in stone, which many Indians like this vile sh!t have internalized, is tht yes TSP is a rapist, but the rape victim India must ameliorate the rapist's propensity to rape. I wonder how this narrative has taken root? Is it India's inherent weakness (poverty, corruption, caste etc etc)? I mean one doesn't talk about the need for Israel to make concessions so Iran and Arabs feel secure. One doesn't talk about the need for US to make concessions so "mighty" Al Queda will turn peace-nick. Then how come in the India TSP equation, this vile notion that the victim must address the insecurities of the rapist take root?

Could it be as I said using a crude analogy, the world including the kith & kin of the victim (India) just don't like the looks of the victim, and hence the rapist's (TSP) motives are given respectability?

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 22 Oct 2011 20:36

Why did India vote for Pak to enter security council ?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 22 Oct 2011 20:40

AdityaM wrote:Why did India vote for Pak to enter security council ?

It is irrelevant anyway. Part of chai biskoot tamasha.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 22 Oct 2011 20:40

because pak voted for India.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Oct 2011 20:42

To assure them like the afghans that they are triplets.

Acharya, That Jonathan pollack article is very important. He is a old China watcher who predicted 1998 based on Chinese moves.

Read it over and over again.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 22 Oct 2011 20:47

abhijitm wrote:Afghanistan will support pakistan in case of US attack
hain!!!
now Karazai is taking bets on US attacking pakistan

Karzai has good sense of humor

That paper seems crap. If he made such a statement, it would have been international news by now. Why only 1 paper knows and publishes it. More like sinking pakis trying to clutch on to the last and any piece of straw.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 22 Oct 2011 20:55

agree with ivanev. the thought occurred to me too. i would be surprised if something that un-diplomatic was ever said by any self respecting politician from anywhere other than the bowelistan.

on the other thing, it is easy for analcysts from timbuktu to make-up scenarios where india absorbs all the downside because india's costs are no-skin off their backs.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Oct 2011 21:06

ManuT wrote:.

There is only a very small lobby in TSP, of a dozen people in the public life that one could say that India could make peace with, OTOH India has the problem of plenty and the path to disaster is literred with good intentions.

This is an interesting point. But I am not sure that these guys are the ones to make peace with. There is a lobby of very poor in Pakistan who only want to survive. The "servants', the sharecroppers etc. They are the majority and have the least incentive to hate India and the greatest incentive to hate their masters. Many are the morals free types like Kasab who wanted to be a dacoit for armed robbery in the city. He was recruited by LeT and given a "greater task".

They are the most difficult to reach because their minds and bodies are controlled by their RAPE, feudal masters and their "middle class" islamist cronies. But they form at least 60-70% of Pakis. That is the group I would like to reach and entice.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Oct 2011 21:25

Ivanev wrote:
abhijitm wrote:Afghanistan will support pakistan in case of US attack
hain!!!
now Karazai is taking bets on US attacking pakistan

Karzai has good sense of humor
That paper seems crap. If he made such a statement, it would have been international news by now. Why only 1 paper knows and publishes it. More like sinking pakis trying to clutch on to the last and any piece of straw.

international news
Would stand by Pakistan if it is attacked by India or US: Karzai
afghanistan to back pakistan if war with US
afghanistan to back pakistan if war with US
afghanistan to support pakistan if war with US
Would stand by Pakistan if it is attacked by anyone: Karzai

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 22 Oct 2011 21:31

About my previous post, I might have to recall my words. All the major news channels are airing the news now, in India, it has hit the headlines of Times Now. It might be an orchestrated news, if no apologies, disbelief or retracting of words come out soon, I would go with the lamppost thing!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Oct 2011 22:32

From the BK's article Acharyaji posted

Indian leaders say that peace and stability in Pakistan is necessary not only for India and South Asia, but for the whole world, and have often called on Islamabad to clamp down on militant groups operating from its soil.

I wonder if this is possible.

Any external action against Paki-snakes is detrimental to south Asian and world peace. The only solution seems to be make it a Paki internal issue and force Pakis clean it up, something like LTTE for lack of better analogy.

Will the ISI and TSPA do what it takes to kill their pet snakes? I wonder if it is possible even if TSPA is cut to it's size and bring them under tight civilian control, because at the end of the day it is TSPA that have to do the job.

That means TSPA and ISI should be made to feel secured. Since USA doesn't want to give them their strategic death in Afghanistan, the alternative is to get the cashmere at the cost of India, seems to be western thought process.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Oct 2011 22:37

ramana wrote:To assure them like the afghans that they are triplets.

Acharya, That Jonathan pollack article is very important. He is a old China watcher who predicted 1998 based on Chinese moves.

Read it over and over again.

Now I can connect the dots between my post above (BK's quote), your "killing the snakes without talking about it" and this Jonathan Pollack article...

Looks like the end game is close for Pakis. Wonder how they decide to go down in history.

Now the indo-afghan strategic partnership makes sense. I hope that china's PoK move is not permanent.

The Sarpayaga has begun.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 22 Oct 2011 22:46

^^ This is definitely not going to end well.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Oct 2011 22:53

India congratulates Pakistan on winning UNSC seat
Pakistan adds another Baap and now Munna of 4.5 Bappus

India [ Images ] on Friday congratulated Pakistan on winning a non-permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council, saying it looks forward to working with its neighbour on a range of global issues."We warmly welcome and congratulate Pakistan's election to the Security Council," India's Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Manjeev Singh Puri told PTI.Puri ( 400% perfect Diplomat) hugged Pakistan's envoy to the UN Abdullah Hussain Haroon, whom he called a "fine ambassador", outside the General Assembly hall here after the results of the voting were declared.Puri said India and Pakistan have "common perception" on a host of global issues and "we look forward to working with them through the year 2012."
India joined as non-permanent member of the UNSC on January 2011 and its term will end on December 31, 2012.Pakistan's two-year term will begin on January 1, 2012 till December 31, 2013.The two nuclear-armed neighbours have thrice before been together in the Council in 1968, 1977 and 1984. India's Permanent Representative to the UN Hardeep Singh Puri, who is travelling outside the US, congratulated Haroon over the phone.India said it has been together with Pakistan on the Council on previous occasions and has had "very good and constructive engagement."The Indian Deputy Permanent Representative said Pakistan and India in the UN are "exactly on the same page" on a host of issues on the global agenda."Almost in all areas of global issues, there is great convergence between India and Pakistan," Puri said. Haroon said Pakistan's win "is a great day for the subcontinent.""With India we have worked together for two years, why should we not do it for a third," Haroon said. Since joining the United Nations in 1947, Pakistan has shown a strong commitment towards multilateralism and has been a leading contributor to United Nations Peacekeeping Missions, he added.Pakistan's win presents an opportunity to bring things together."We are going to work together... on the Indian subcontinent we have great opportunity as there are people here who are willing to talk and lead by example," Haroon added.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Oct 2011 23:01

This is from Reuter
http://www.haaretz.com/news/internation ... bled=false
Pakistan, Morocco, Togo and Guatemala elected to UN Security Council
Race for a fifth council seat adjourned after neither Azerbaijan nor Slovenia wins a two-thirds majority of the General Assembly after nine votes/

And here is Pakistan's Half Mother,17% Father and 22% Cousin Brother and 11% Ashna
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15412662
Pakistan wins UN Security Council seat alongside India

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 23 Oct 2011 00:18

ramana wrote:To assure them like the afghans that they are triplets.

Acharya, That Jonathan pollack article is very important. He is a old China watcher who predicted 1998 based on Chinese moves.

Read it over and over again.

Ramanaji - which article are you referring to?

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 23 Oct 2011 00:20

There is something that Ombaba has to do in the Pakhanastan timed to the next elections.
So, the preparations must be underway.