Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

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Rewriting the past to ruin the future
October 28, 2011
http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/8572/ ... he-future/

Rewriting history to forge a suitable narrative for increased military funding and creating the illusion of Pakistan being born an Islamic, rather than a secular state have only further damaged the ability of the youth of yesterday or today (and probably tomorrow) to understand what their own history is.

Air Marshal (retd) Asghar Khan quite accurately lambasted the fairy tales we have all been exposed to in state-approved history books.

The retired air marshal ruffled feathers when he told the audience at Imran Khan’s book launch that while Pakistan has attacked India four times, India has never been the aggressor in any of the wars fought between the two nations. This fact, in itself, is not news. What is news is that a respected member of the military, one who served when the upper echelon earned, rather than commanded, respect from the general public, has clearly outlined the magnitude of the lies that we have all been fed.

Immediately after Asghar Khan’s statement, a bastion of integrity most famous for fathering the Taliban in Afghanistan, attempted to do what he does best: subvert the truth.

Lieutenant General (retd) Hamid Gul, the former Inter-Services Intelligence director general, was quoted as saying:

“How can one expect a categorical stand from a 92-year-old who had a dubious track record.”

This is rich, especially as it comes from one of the most dubious soldiers not to overthrow the elected government (which doesn’t mean he did not try).

Since the allegedly Al-Qaeda linked general refrained from actually responding to Khan’s views and instead launched a personal attack, I took it upon myself to ask a couple of retired military officers what they thought.

Ace pilot Air Commodore (retd) Sajad Haider put it quite eloquently in summarising the two men’s track records:

“Asghar Khan has always been upright, correct and absolutely honest, qualities I cannot attribute to Hameed Gul by any stretch of the imagination.”

He added a bit about Gul’s rise to prominence, calling him a “sycophant” in reference to his publication of literature praising General Ziaul Haq and the human rights abuses during Zia’s reign, and the man who “created the Islami Jamhoori Ittehad (IJI)” during his ISI tenure.

The IJI was an alliance of religious parties that was designed to keep Benazir Bhutto out of power. The allegedly military-backed alliance was accused of massive rigging and later fell apart largely due to the role COAS General Waheed Kakar played in removing IJI front-man Nawaz Sharif from PM House in Islamabad in 1993.

On Khan’s statement that all four wars were initiated by Pakistan, Haider added that he participated in the early stages of both wars and:

“he is 100 correct. The nation was told that the enemy has come to invade, when actually it was the leadership of Pakistan who led the nation into disgrace, [as the soldiers did not] know that were fighting to keep megalomaniacs in the chair.”

A retired brigadier who fought on the frontlines in ‘65 and ‘71 echoed the same feeling, while placing additional blame on the army for not even sharing details with the other arms of the military.

“In ‘65, the air chief had no idea that the war had started [because he had not been informed by the army],” while rubbishing the decision taken by the men at the top, as he said, “The idea of hoping for limited war is foolish.”

Similarly, the brigadier, a man known for not mincing his words, said that while Asghar Khan was and is still held in great respect and always displayed capability, the same does not apply to Gul.

He added that Khan’s record as an administrator can be gauged from the outstanding performance of the air force during his term and the high esteem it was held in, and also PIA which he made into a top notch airline.

Denial of history

The crux of both men’s arguments was that the people Pakistan have been sold lies to strengthen the stranglehold that a few men, whether they formally overthrew the elected government or not, have placed on the state’s collective neck.

Issues that should have been prioritised to bring about socioeconomic progress have been ignored. Under Article 38 of the Constitution of Pakistan “The State” is supposed to “secure the well-being of the people, irrespective of sex, caste, creed or race, by raising their standard of living, by preventing the concentration of wealth and means of production and distribution in the hands of a few to the detriment of general interest”, to “provide for all persons…social security by compulsory social insurance or other means;” and to “provide basic necessities of life, such as food, clothing, housing, education and medical relief, for all such citizens,” and to “reduce disparity in the income and earnings of individuals.”

Nowhere does the constitution define “The State” as being limited to those serving in the military of Pakistan. Yet, amid the vows to eat grass and build weapons of mass-murder, civilians have been dying hungry, while the military has maintained its own state-subsidised welfare system to ensure that even if it bankrupts the state, its own cadre remain unaffected.

On the actual subject matter of the wars, the military veterans opined that the during the Kashmir war in 47-48, it was the Pakistani backed lashkars which fired the first bullet, while ‘65 has been discussed above. In ‘71, it was India intervening to stop the mass-murder of an oppressed population, and while hurting Pakistan may have been a part of their goal, “conquering” it was not. This too was a war of Pakistan’s creation.

On Kargil, the brigadier, who has known General Musharaf since their days at PMA, said that he “wanted to be the conqueror of Kashmir and build his credentials”, while referring to the former dictator’s credentials as “unmemorable”. Each time, the Pakistan Army went onto the battlefield without an endgame in sight.

Rewriting history to forge a suitable narrative for increased military funding and creating the illusion of Pakistan being born an Islamic, rather than a secular state have only further damaged the ability of the youth of yesterday or today (and probably tomorrow) to understand what their own history is.

No man can correct that which he does not know of.
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http://www.etutslive.com/2011/10/28/usa ... on-terror/

USA, Pakistan and War on Terror
Posted on 28 October 2011 by admin
This article was published first on Technorati as US-Pak Duo: What has Changed Since 1979?
My early childhood years remind me of the days while portraying myself as Rambo or a G.I. Joe. Watching hit TV shows like Knight Rider, Air wolf, Baywatch or CHIPS. Thinking about me as a covert operative and a man of commitment – just like top action heroes of the Hollywood movies. And Yes I am talking about early 1980s. Those were the years, when Pakistan was fighting a war on its western front against USSR, with a full support from USA. Jihadists were Pakistani heroes. General Zia-ul-Haque and the Mullahs were rolling out fresh soldiers from the Pakistani masses against USSR and labeling the fight as Jihad.

Era of 90s passed. With the internet exploding into market, many Pakistanis left for America for better future and jobs. But, new millennium brought trouble with it. Things changed in 2001. WTC collapsed, bringing with it, a never ending spree of military action in different regions, termed as “War on Terror” by the Bush Administration. To an ordinary Pakistani, history had repeated itself – a military ruler in the country, a war in Afghanistan, America being the major player, and Pakistan at the front. But there was a slight problem this time. There was no enemy. Who were the allied forces fighting against? Was it a few tribes of mountain people with rocket launchers and automatic weapons who did not want to hand Osama Bin Laden over to Americans? It was initially portrayed as a war against alleged perpetrators of WTC attacks. But it slowly turned into a War against Muslims all around the world spreading to Iraq, and than later to Libya. Al-Qaeda emerged as the only sponsor of terrorism in the world. Anti-Islamic sentiments spread all around the globe like wild fire. Interestingly, repeated incidents involving Al-Qaeda and Pakistanis put Pakistan on the bad books of the allied powers. The term “Terrorist” had finally been coined for each Pakistani moving out of his country.

However, it had turned out to be a different world than the one in 1979. World powers might consider Pakistan as a failed state or a terrorist state. But this time, the sentiments were not good in the country for them as well. Internet, free media had changed the opinion of the youth in Pakistan. Innocent killings by the allied forces in Pakistan, drone attacks, suicide bombings across the country had altogether altered the American image in the country. Ordinary Pakistanis believed that America was the reason of current turmoil in his country. And each one of them had his own arguments to support his statement.
It is said that wars are won by the nations, not the armies. Today, Pakistani nation does not seem to be supporting the country’s military collaborating with the Americans. Things are far different than 1979. Even American nation is not behind their country’s ambitious campaigns.

An average Pakistani does not consider Americans as his friends anymore. Local Pakistanis have a mischievous slogan “Jo Kuch Kara Raha Hai, America Kara Raha Hai…” which, in plain English means that America is behind every unfortunate event in the country. Americans are losing the information war in the information age. They have to reformulate their media strategy. Whole action plan needs to be revisited. Drones are neither serving the purpose of publicity, nor that of winning the war. Americans have to do more than hosting gays and lesbian functions in their consulates. They have to understand that war against USSR was sold as an ideology. This ideology hit to the roots of the Pakistani society. A whole new breed of Mullas was introduced and “fighting for Islam” had been the mantra of Zia administration. As soon as the War on Terror shaped into a “War against Islam” for an average Pakistani, it lost its value and America was turned into an enemy overnight in the eyes of each common Pakistani. This lack of support from the Pakistani nation caused downgrading of Pakistani political along with military support to the allied forces due to tremendous public pressure. A common Pakistani is asking a simple question, “It is not my war. Why am I supposed to fight it”?

Simply put, inability of Obama administration to take in account, the enormous public pressure on Pakistani political leadership and the military against the American support coupled with a failure to revise media strategy may cause America to lose its long serving front line strategic partner state in the “War on Terror”. And America will not have too many options to continue the winning campaign.
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http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41832.pdf

Pakistan-U.S. Relations: A Summary
K. Alan Kronstadt
Specialist in South Asian Affairs
October 20, 2011
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Islamist Militant Groups in Pakistan
Islamist militant groups operating in and from Pakistani territory are of five broad types:
• Globally oriented militants, especially Al Qaeda and its primarily Uzbek affiliates, operating out of the FATA and in
the megacity of Karachi;
• Afghanistan-oriented militants, including the “Quetta shura” of Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Umar, believed to
operate from the Baluchistan provincial capital of Quetta, as well as Karachi; the organization run by Jalaluddin
Haqqani and his son Sirajuddin, in the North Waziristan and Kurram tribal agencies; and the Hizb-I Islami party
led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar (HiG), operating further north from the Bajaur tribal agency and Dir district;
• India- and Kashmir-oriented militants, especially the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), and Harakat
ul-Mujahadeen (HuM), based in both the Punjab province and in Pakistan-held Kashmir;
• Sectarian militants, in particular the anti-Shia Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) and its offshoot, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
(LeJ), the latter closely associated with Al Qaeda, operating mainly in Punjab; and
• Domestically oriented, largely Pashtun militants that in 2007 unified under the leadership of now-deceased Baitullah
Mehsud as the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), then based in the South Waziristan tribal agency, with
representatives from each of Pakistan’s seven FATA agencies, later to incorporate the Tehreek-e-Nafaz-eShariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM) led by Maulana Sufi Mohammed in the northwestern Malakand and Swat districts
of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.
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http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2011/10 ... -and-iraq/

America’s Endless Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
Oct 25th 2011

America’s Endless Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq

by Jack A. Smith

The 10th anniversary of Washington’s invasion, occupation and seemingly endless war in Afghanistan was observed Oct. 7, but despite President Barack Obama’s pledge to terminate the U.S. “combat mission” by the end of 2014, American military involvement will continue many years longer.
In another survey, conducted by Germany’s Konrad Adenauer Foundation and released Oct. 18, 56% of Afghans view U.S./NATO troops as an occupying force, not allies as Washington prefers. The survey results show that “there appears to be an increasing amount of anxiety and fear rather than hope.”

Perhaps the most positive news about Afghanistan — and it is a thunderously mixed “blessing” — is that the agricultural economy boomed last year. But, reports the Oct. 11 Business Insider, it’s because “rising opium prices have upped the ante in Afghanistan, and farmers have responded by posting a 61% increase in opium production.” Afghani farmers produce 90% of the world’s opium, the main ingredient in heroin. Half-hearted U.S.-NATO eradication efforts failed because insufficient attention was devoted to providing economic and agricultural substitutes for the cultivation of opium.

Another outcome of foreign intervention and U.S. training is the boundless brutality and corruption of the Afghan police toward civilians and especially Taliban “suspects.” Writing in Antiwar.com John Glaser reported:

“Detainees in Afghan prisons are hung from the ceilings by their wrists, severely beaten with cables and wooden sticks, have their toenails torn off, are treated with electric shock, and even have their genitals twisted until they lose consciousness, according to a study released Oct. 10 by the United Nations. The study, which covered 47 facilities sites in 22 provinces, found ‘a compelling pattern and practice of systematic torture and ill-treatment’ during interrogation by U.S.-supported Afghan authorities. Both U.S. and NATO military trainers and counterparts have been working closely with these authorities, consistently supervising the detention facilities and funding their operations.”
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In India, elections have been lost over the price of onions. The mighty and well-off US cannot wage a war for a decade without it's people protesting about the waste of resources. Pakistan can sustain conflicts for decades, and no one there complains about the economy. Pakistan must be getting a lot more money from its Oil-rich buddies than has been publicly accounted for. What else could it be?
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^^
http://chillopedia.com/interesting/top- ... -pakistan/

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Top Ten Richest People of Pakistan
28 OCT 2011 BY AL-E

The world as we know today is a very rich place on average to say, but in reality world’s 80 % wealth is being controlled by 20% of world’s elite. So here is a roundup of Pakistan’s Top Ten richest people.


1 – Mian Muhammad Mansha Yaha [Mansha Group]

Ranking: 1 Worth: $2.5billion Industry: Businessman


Mansha hаѕ around 40 companies οn board. Mansha, whο owns thе Muslim Commercial Bank іѕ аƖѕο setting up a $ 17m paper mill. Hе іѕ one οf thе richest Pakistanis around. Nishat Group wаѕ country’s 15th richest family іn 1970, 6th іn 1990 аnԁ Number 1 іn 1997. Mansha іѕ οn thе board οf nearly 50 companies. Hе іѕ deemed tο hаνе mаԁе investments іn many bourses, currency аnԁ metal exchanges both within аnԁ outside Pakistan . Nishat Group comprises οf textiles, cement, leasing, insurance аnԁ management companies. Nishat group assets аrе $4.4Billion.
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http://www.veracitynow.com/war-on-terro ... great-game
The wretched Great Game
Thursday, 27 October 2011 21:26
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Cut to the chase.

The core issue: To establish hegemony over Afghanistan without endangering US troops.

America’s problem: “How does it get its troops safely out of Afghanistan?”

America’s intent: Not to quit Afghanistan altogether, only to withdraw its soldiers from the firing line. Do you really think that they went to all the trouble of occupying Afghanistan only to “Bring Osama Bin Laden to justice” or topple Mullah Omar? They occupied it for its geostrategic importance as the land of future gas pipeline routes, its significant mineral deposits and as a listening and rapid deployment post in the region from China and Russia to the Central Asian Republics, the Middle East and South Asia.

And that is where they intend to remain until they are thrown out. Yes, it is the wretched, never-ending Great Game. Everyone has lost playing it – now its America’s turn.

The reason: The Taliban have defeated America.

The irony: America morphed from freedom fighter to occupier.

The moral: An occupier can occupy for a time but is eventually defeated because the human spirit can never be permanently occupied.

What America needs: Withdrawal from a drug more potent than Afghan heroin. It’s called ‘Hegemony’.

Who are the Taliban: For one thing they are plural – ‘Taliban’ is the plural of ‘Talib’, which means ‘student’ or, literally, ‘seeker of knowledge’. They are the old Mujahideen and their sons that defeated the Soviets with American and Pakistani help.

How did the Mujahideen morph into the Taliban: America abandoned them (and Pakistan) after victory and fell into deep hubris with the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet empire.

The mockery: Once America fought shoulder-to-shoulder with the Mujahideen-Taliban whom it then likened to its great founding fathers – Osama Bin Laden, Jalaluddin Haqqani et al – to evict the Soviet occupier from Afghanistan. Now it has replaced the Soviet occupier and become occupier itself, fighting against its founding father clones who want to evict America from Afghanistan. Again, the Taliban have won, as they did against the Evil Empire of the Soviet Union.

The question: Do morality and principle change with occupier? Are there good occupiers and bad occupiers? Stupid question.

America wishes to take its secret talks with the Afghan Taliban to a higher plane to ensure the safe withdrawal of its troops. Good, even if sense descends later rather than never. Not dignified, escaping from the roof of one’s embassy hanging from helicopters. America would do well to appoint the former bosses of the Soviet Union as ‘Consultants in Withdrawal’.

A TV anchor asked me about the “significance” of the recent meeting between Karzai and Prime Minister Gillani. “Gillani even took the army and ISI chiefs along.”

“Actually,” said I, “it is the army and ISI chiefs who have to find a formula for America’s safe withdrawal. It is they who took Gillani and his assorted ministers along for protocol.”

What could the significance of a meeting with an American satrap be? What between two proxies? Our prime minister is a proxy of a proxy; Manmohan Singh is a proxy of Sonia Gandhi. Both Zardari and Sonia are proxies of their sons.
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anti-capitalism rally attracts no one
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About 40 young students and old activists awkwardly gathered together on the pavement, clutching signs and copies of the International Socialists monthly magazine, placards with printed photographs of the sit-in protests organised by the Occupy Wall Street movement in New York. The placards drew inspiration from what has become the most well-known slogan to have come out of the US protests by saying ‘Occupy Pakistan. We are the 99%’. :mrgreen:

The group chanted slogans against the US, businessmen and capitalists. ‘New York bhi maange azadi, London bhi maange azadi, Karachi bhi maange azadi’. (New York, London and Karachi, all demand freedom).

While the Occupy Wall Street protest worldwide has attracted tens of thousands of people, including celebrities, the Karachi rally could barely compete.
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Another Foreign Policy Triumph: Pakistan Gets Free Pass to Shell U.S. Troops
BY GLEN TSCHIRGI
9 hours, 17 minutes ago
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2011/10/ ... -s-troops/
On October 16th, The New York Times reported an astonishing account of repeated shelling of U.S. and Afghan forces from across the Pakistani border that has been near-continuous since May, 2011.

FORWARD OPERATING BASE SHARANA, Afghanistan — American and Afghan soldiers near the border with Pakistan have faced a sharply increased volume of rocket fire from Pakistani territory in the past six months, putting them at greater risk even as worries over the disintegrating relationship between the United States and Pakistan constrain how they can strike back.

Ground-to-ground rockets fired within Pakistan have landed on or near American military outposts in one Afghan border province at least 55 times since May, according to interviews with multiple American officers and data released in the past week. Last year, during the same period, there were two such attacks.

May is alo when members of a Navy Seals team killed Osama bin Laden in the house where he lived near a Pakistani military academy, plunging American-Pakistani relations to a new low. Since then, the escalation in cross-border barrages has fueled frustration among officers and anger among soldiers at front-line positions who suspect, but cannot prove, a Pakistani government role.

The government’s relations with the United States frayed further after senior American officials publicly accused Pakistan of harboring and helping guerrillas and terrorists. Last month, Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time, called the insurgents who attacked the American Embassy in the Afghan capital “a veritable arm” of the ISI, Pakistan’s military intelligence service.

Pakistani officials have repeatedly denied aiding fighters for the Taliban and the Haqqani militant network, who operate on both sides of the border. They insist they try to prevent cross-border incursions or violence.

Funny coincidence. U.S. bases get shelled from Pakistan beginning the same month that U.S. special forces entered Pakistan and killed Osama Bin Laden. OK, well, I suppose that one could argue that this is a not-altogether-unexpected consequence of sticking a steel-toed boot right up the backside of Pakistan and laughing as we dump Bin Laden into the ocean for fish food. (All properly according to Islamic hoyle, of course). So we should not be surprised.

The truly troubling part about this is that there is no apparent Administration response or any, apparent guidance from the chain of command for these units who must sit there and take it.

When taking fire from Afghanistan, they said, they return fire with barrages of high-explosive and white phosphorus artillery rounds. (The burning effects of white phosphorus, they said, can detonate rockets waiting on launchers; for this reason, white phosphorus falls within rules guiding the soldiers’ use of force.)

When receiving fire from Pakistan, they said, they do not return fire with white phosphorus and fire far fewer high-explosive rounds. Attack helicopters and aircraft are also less likely to fire ordnance the closer the firing position is to the border, they said, even if it is on the Afghan side.

Several soldiers complained of what they called the “politics” limiting their choices. “We’re just sitting out here taking fire,” one soldier said. “If they want us to do our jobs, let us do our jobs.”

Senior officers described a tactical and strategic puzzle.

On one hand, soldiers said a principle of any modern military defense is that they patrol to and beyond the range of weapons systems that can menace them, and, in this case, at least to the border of the nation that the United States, in essence, has underwritten. On the other, heavy return fire against the firing positions inside Afghanistan has not prevented the attacks from continuing, so it is not clear that more fire into Pakistan would stop the cross-border firing, either.

And Colonel Bohnemann noted a complicated history. Afghan units have patrolled to the border, he said, and then been fired on by Pakistani military units who claimed they mistook the Afghans for insurgents. That fighting included Pakistani artillery fire.

The risk of having an American patrol face similar fire has been reasonable grounds for caution when planning sweeps near the border, and when returning fire over it, he said.

“Am I frustrated?” he asked. “Yes. Would I like to fire more? Yes. But do I want to be sure not to escalate out of frustration? Absolutely.”

(Emphasis added)

This is simply indefensible. As I have said on many occasions, our Afghan strategy is really no strategy at all but a charade for political purposes: the appearance of force and toughness but lacking in the kind of metrics necessary for victory (higher force levels, robust rules of engagement, proper focus on appropriate lines of effort, etc…). This Administration has played politics with Afghanistan since Day One and one of the obvious results is that we have Americans sitting on the Pak border forced to absorb indirect fire from Pakistan without any, meaningful way of defending themselves.

Disgraceful.
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Get tough strategy with Pakistan?
BY HERSCHEL SMITH
1 week, 1 day ago
From the Los Angeles Times:
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2011/10/ ... -pakistan/

The U.S. needs Pakistan’s cooperation to succeed against an insurgent group that uses sanctuaries along the Afghan border from which to attack American and Afghan forces. But so far, Washington has failed to entice that cooperation — or coerce it through threats to pull billions of dollars in aid.

On Thursday, Washington embarked on a get-tough strategy — sending its top diplomat along with its top intelligence and military officers to Islamabad to deliver the blunt message: Whether or not Pakistan chooses to help, the U.S. will continue to fight the Haqqani network inside Afghanistan while seeking a negotiated end to the decade-old Afghan conflict that has taken the lives of more than 1,800 U.S. soldiers and thousands of Afghan civilians.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s arrival in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, on Thursday, accompanied by CIA Director David H. Petraeus and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, signaled the all-out nature of the bid to persuade Pakistan to cooperate.

To fight Haqqani in Afghanistan (note the absence of the threat to fight them in Pakistan), with or without Pakistan’s help, and a bid to persuade Pakistan to help? That’s it? That’s our strategy to get tough with Pakistan? The same thing we’re doing now, i.e., fighting Haqqani in Afghanistan and attempting to persuade Pakistan to help? So if the preceding strategy is failing, our forward going plan is to do more of the same?

Maybe that’s not the complete strategy. We’re also going to seek a negotiated settlement. Perhaps the threat of a negotiated settlement will persuade Pakistan to help. I had recommended unilaterally fighting Haqqani in Pakistan too, and if the Pakistani army had in any way impeded our progress or caused harm to our troops, turning the ground they stood on into a sea of glass. But what do I know?

Let’s all take a strategic pause and see how this plan works out, shall we?
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Looking at that documentary, Americans are either extremely obstuse or equally treacherous as the Pakis. They say with a straight face that the upper echelons of their politico-millitary setup stymied plans to go after senior Taliban and Al Qaida leaders.

Time and time again Pakis lied to then, deceived them, they lost men and money and yet they did squat. Who the heck are they trying to fool?
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One thing is for sure, they will never accept and concede as long as they have those clown jewels. So lets just listen to their denial statements and ... :P
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methinks that the love-hate theatrics staged by TSP-USA combine over the past decade or so have been for just one purpose-to keep this Dhaga alive.... :)
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From Acharya's post:
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Get tough strategy with Pakistan?
BY HERSCHEL SMITH
1 week, 1 day ago
From the Los Angeles Times:
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2011/10/ ... -pakistan/
.........I had recommended unilaterally fighting Haqqani in Pakistan too, and if the Pakistani army had in any way impeded our progress or caused harm to our troops, turning the ground they stood on into a sea of glass. But what do I know?
You have to take a hard look at Ombaba's chances for a second term, being from few to none, more none than few. His record on domestic affairs is dismal, with the economy in the tank, and it is what will sink him next year. But the one surprising high point in his record is his successes on the foreign policy front, the most spectacular being the assasination of bin ladin in the paki's lair. Now, if he could add to that the destruction of the paki as epicenter of universal terrorism, as a nuclear blackmailer, as the key destabilizing agent in its immediate environment and extending to the middle east, where the arabs were in the process of numerous democratic movements, then, ombaba may have a shot at being a viable candidate for a second term. And if, in the process he also clips the wings of the prcees as they attempt to extend their claws towards the middle east, then so much more to his credit. But of course, if he is thinking of any such action, the last thing to do would be to broadcast his intentions by a prior media blitz, as in the case of iraq and afghanistan. No, if, ombaba intends to wipe out the paki - with or without NATO or other "allies", it will come as an act from the blue, a broadcast to the nation even as shock and awe is well under way against the paki. Very very unlikely, I am sure, but what slight probabibility of that exists, does so under the actions of the US that we see at present.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

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gakakkad wrote:methinks that the love-hate theatrics staged by TSP-USA combine over the past decade or so have been for just one purpose-to keep this Dhaga alive.... :)
And to turn me into Rip Van Winkle :wink:

Did Gondola Risotto get her book written by someone from Yawn in Pakistan? Cheap ghost writers too. :rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

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rajanb wrote:
Did Gondola Risotto get her book written by someone from Yawn in Pakistan? Cheap ghost writers too. :rotfl:
aur they also have grate Inglis Language skils;
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aur they also have grate Inglis Language skils;
Lekin u haf miss spelldid longuedge.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

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Let us not forget that US forin polsy under the village idgit president and his mental retards such as the brilliant Gondola Risotto and the marvellous "reel presedent"Shaney needs much re writing and editing after the fact, and where else to get this done with some credibility other than in the paki.
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I think no body clicked on the 3 dots (...) in my last post.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/28/world ... hpt=ias_c2

And Prem saab, thanks for the cartoon. Really liked it.
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Venkarl wrote:I think no body clicked on the 3 dots (...) in my last post.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/28/world ... hpt=ias_c2

And Prem saab, thanks for the cartoon. Really liked it.
I did Venkariji. Those three dots represented a subtle spy message which got the following conspeeracy theory going.
Shah was receiving threats from militants and had been provided special security protocol to ensure his safety, said another senior police official Sherzada, who also goes by one name.

Sherzada said Ajmer Shah was "dedicated to arresting militants."
When, Pakis who are honestly fighting militants, like Shah, get murdered, how are we sure that it isn't state sponsored?

Considering the Paki twisted mindset, its killing two birds with one stone. The militants gifted with a militant killer and the Pakis tom toming :(( about how they are suffering and paying a price themselves.

Which the yanquis swallow as they do their king sized burgers!
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

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Kashi wrote:From the constipation...
Pakistani Army mulls legal action over BBC report

RAWALPINDI (Agencies) – Pakistan military strongly denied Thursday a BBC report that alleged the Pakistani military, along with its intelligence arm, supplied and protected the Afghan Taliban and Al Qaeda.

A number of middle-ranking Taliban commanders detailed what they said was extensive Pakistani support in interviews for a BBC Two documentary series, the first part of which was broadcast Wednesday.

“We consider that this report is highly biased, it is one-sided, it doesn’t have the version of the side which is badly hit or affected by this report,” Major General Athar Abbas, spokesman for the military, told Reuters. “So therefore, other than that, it’s factually incorrect.” :rotfl:

He said the head of Pakistan’s spy agency, the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), had already said “not a single bullet or financial support” had been given to groups named in the BBC report. :rotfl:

Abbas said the number of attacks against the ISI by the Pakistani Taliban - about 300 ISI officials have been killed in bombings - was proof the ISI did not support militants.

Meanwhile, talking a private TV channel, Abbas said the Army reserved the right to take legal action over the report.
What an ill-informed individual. A government or a member of government
has no access to deformation laws in the UK!
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

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hahaha.. if every other country starts taking legal action against Pakistani news outlets based on their reports, every one of them will have to shut shop.
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Pakistan regularly testing those missiles that are capable of bringing nuclear weapon
Pakistan today tested nuclear- capable Hatf-7 cruise missile having a range of 700 km that can hit targets in India, saying the launch was aimed at consolidating the country's strategic deterrence capability and strengthening national security.

http://www.punjabkesari.in/punjab/fulls ... 90_150492-
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ramana wrote:SSridhar can you comment on this question that one school of thought avers that even the Kashmir war of Oct 1947 and the use of tribals / 'irregulars' by the Pak fauj was to divert attention from the Af-Pak 'border'......et al......hence Kashmir is not the ' core '......et al....

have been looking for citations / alternate views / on this formulation.......preferably from within Pakistan...academics / analysts....or other experts......and any thoughts on the accuracy of this analysis....

ramana
Ramana, sorry for the much delayed response.

From what I have read, I have not come across J&K being a diversionary tactic though there is apparently a reference to that in one Indian document, 'The Kashmir Story', a GoI publication to which I have no access.
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Rajan saab, itj no conspeerashi therry. There is an old saying on this forum which goes like "Let them stew in their own juice" and militant killers like shah should be low in numbers in Pak Police so the IT industry will thrive. Who cares if its state-sponsored or planet-sponsored? and coming to pakis tom toming....only Chinese "might" believe them :lol:
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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/238197/ ... isi-us.htm

Taliban chiefs admit close links to Paki intelligence...

If the US really want to put the screws on Pak anmd make it behave,then all it has to do is cut off aid,both economic and military.Then watch the uniformed pgs fly!
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First, Pakistan releasing Indian chopper without creating much issue and then India supporting Pakistan for non permanent seat in UNSC. More and more goodwill gestures are coming on its way.
"Many of the countries that Pakistan had considered as friends were no longer its friends, but India "supported us in becoming a non-permanent member of the 15-member Security Council," Haroon told reporters at the Karachi airport. Now that Indian establishment supported Pakistan's bid to become non permanent member at UNSC, Pakistan should support India and should convince China to support India's bid to become a permanent member in UNSC with veto power. Can it happen?

Diplomatic Relations between India and Pakistan Getting Better
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India and Pakistan are finally on the road to dumping their enmity and embracing each other. We are neighbors and both Indians and Pakistanis have found out that there is no purpose in prolonging this conflict. From now on, both countries would be cooperating to remove poverty in the region and increase trade!

Those constituencies in both countries who were against friendship have seen the failure of their past policies and are ready to begin a new chapter.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Philip wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/238197/ ... isi-us.htm

Taliban chiefs admit close links to Paki intelligence...

If the US really want to put the screws on Pak anmd make it behave,then all it has to do is cut off aid,both economic and military.Then watch the uniformed pgs fly!
They won't, Philipji. In the meanwhile, from Geo and posted in full:
Suicide bomber strikes foreign convoy in Kabul



Updated at: 1234 PST, Saturday, October 29, 2011
KABUL: A suicide bomber struck a convoy of foreign forces travelling through the Afghan capital Kabul on Saturday, a spokesman for the city's police told.

"I can confirm a suicide attack on Dar-ul-Aman road of Kabul on a convoy of foreign forces," said a spokesman for Kabul's police chief, Hashmat Stanikzai, adding that casualties were not yet known. (AFP)
Let us see if the allies choose to opt for the safety of their troops; or continue their love for the Pakis.

Posted later: The "imploding Nation" says that 10 Nato troops killed.

Mostly American troops!
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SSridhar wrote:
ramana wrote:SSridhar can you comment on this question that one school of thought avers that even the Kashmir war of Oct 1947 and the use of tribals / 'irregulars' by the Pak fauj was to divert attention from the Af-Pak 'border'......et al......hence Kashmir is not the ' core '......et al....

have been looking for citations / alternate views / on this formulation.......preferably from within Pakistan...academics / analysts....or other experts......and any thoughts on the accuracy of this analysis....

ramana
Ramana, sorry for the much delayed response.

From what I have read, I have not come across J&K being a diversionary tactic though there is apparently a reference to that in one Indian document, 'The Kashmir Story', a GoI publication to which I have no access.
SSridhar ji

The Kashmir Story by M. L. Kotru

http://ikashmir.net/kashmirstory/doc/kashmirstory.pdf
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http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/29/minority ... -test.html

In Pakbaric animaland, a minority Hindu student has to go to court and risk rabid jehadi animal attacks in order to get a medical seat - why ? Because he did not pass RELIGIOUS STUDIES course...NONE available for Hindus...unless you study ROP.

WTF has religion got to do with entering MBBS studies? Only Pakbaric animals know...
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Chetak ji, apparently there is a GoI document with that name too. I was surprised by the choice of the name, but I found the reference in the Ministry of Defence's official publication of the 1947-1948 War. The reference says that one of Pakistan's aims was a diversionary tactic to quell the restive Afghan tribes.
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TTP chief’s close aide killed in drone strike

PESHAWAR: At least 13 Taliban were killed in a suspected US drone attack in South Waziristan this week, security officials and tribal sources said on Friday. Security sources said there was strong evidence that Taj Gul Mehsud, a senior Taliban commander and close aide to Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leader Hakimullah Mehsud, was among the victims in the attack on Wednesday. Tribal elders from the Mehsud tribe in Mir Ali in neighbouring North Waziristan said two missiles struck a militant compound. They put the death toll much higher - up to 22 people - and said all were members of the TTP, or Pakistan Taliban. Six others were injured, security forces said. Security officials and Taliban sources said the remote location of the suspected strike prevented it from being reported earlier, and reports of the strike only surfaced when the injured arrived at a hospital in Mir Ali. The Obama administration has stepped up drone strikes against al Qaeda and Taliban militants in the Tribal Areas in an effort to stabilise Afghanistan before the end of 2014, when all NATO combat troops are due to leave. Wednesday’s strike came a day before another drone attack on Thursday killed five commanders of a powerful Pakistani Taliban faction that attacks Western forces in Afghanistan, one of the group’s leaders said. reuters

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Yanquis are really out to get them.
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rajanb wrote:
TTP chief’s close aide killed in drone strike

. . .Taj Gul Mehsud, a senior Taliban commander and close aide to Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leader Hakimullah Mehsud, was among the victims in the attack on Wednesday
Yanquis are really out to get them.
Bad Taliban and the intelligence therefore came from the ISI as a gesture of renewed cooperation after the spanking from Ms. Clinton this week.
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^^^ But they also killed 5 good taliban commanders on Thursday!
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rajanb wrote:Let us see if the allies choose to opt for the safety of their troops; or continue their love for the Pakis.

Posted later: The "imploding Nation" says that 10 Nato troops killed.

Mostly American troops!
Kabul: 14 dead in Taliban suicide attack
At least ten foreign forces, three civilians and a policeman were among the casualties.

"The attack targeted an American Nato bus," said a Western military official on condition of anonymity. "There are 10 or 11 people, mostly Americans," he said, giving the death toll.
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rajanb wrote:^^^ But they also killed 5 good taliban commanders on Thursday!
That intelligence came probably from non-PA/non-ISI sources.
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Hmm thanks
In her book, "Halfway to Freedom", Margaret Bourke-White describes the plunder by the raiders:
'Their buses and trucks, loaded with booty, arrived every other day and took more Pathans to Kashmir.
Ostensibly they went to liberate their Kashmiri Muslim brothers, but their primary objective was riot and
loot. In this they made no distinction between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims."
"The raiders advanced into Baramulla, the biggest commercial center of the region with a population then
of 11,000, until they were only an hour away from Srinagar. For the next three days they were engaged in
massive plunder, rioting and rape. No one was spared. Even members of the St. Joseph's Mission Hospital
were brutally massacred." This tribal invasion was no accident, according to Sheikh Abdullah. It was a
diversionary tactic created by the newly formed State of Pakistan. "The withdrawal of British forces from
the tribal belt had left these people without any livelihood. The ruler of Pakistan feared that these lawless
people may proceed to plunder Peshawar and other big cities of Pakistan. They were, therefore, asked to
proceed to Kashmir, having been assured of their bounty through plunder of the countryside. Pakistani
leaders were hoping to reap a double benefit: getting rid of the tribals and bringing Kashmiris to their
knees.
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