Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 05 Nov 2011 11:44

http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2011/1 ... road-rage/

…instead of moving nuclear material in armored, well-defended convoys, the [Pakistani government] prefers to move material by subterfuge, in civilian-style vehicles without noticeable defenses, in the regular flow of traffic…according to a senior U.S. intelligence official, the Pakistanis have begun using this low-security method to transfer not merely the “de-mated” component nuclear parts but “mated” nuclear weapons. Western nuclear experts have feared that Pakistan is building small, “tactical” nuclear weapons for quick deployment on the battlefield. In fact, not only is Pakistan building these devices, it is also now moving them over roads.

In other words, the Pakistani government is willing to make its nuclear weapons more vulnerable to theft by jihadists simply to hide them from the United States, the country that funds much of its military budget.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 05 Nov 2011 11:52

What if one of the trucks goes kaboom

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Nov 2011 12:06

>>PRC has doubts that India is independent - if we get rid of Mainos and EVMs then there could be some progress.

But after that, they may "have doubts" about elections as well, and we may have to get rid of "nationalists" so there could be some progress...

I think myself that PRC needs to have free and fair elections for its leadership at least 4 consecutive times before we start any serious talks with them. Otherwise, we will just increase our military capability and wait. They are no more suicidal than us, and they have more powerful friends on their borders.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 05 Nov 2011 12:24

JE Menon wrote:>>PRC has doubts that India is independent - if we get rid of Mainos and EVMs then there could be some progress.

But after that, they may "have doubts" about elections as well, and we may have to get rid of "nationalists" so there could be some progress...

I think myself that PRC needs to have free and fair elections for its leadership at least 4 consecutive times before we start any serious talks with them. Otherwise, we will just increase our military capability and wait. They are no more suicidal than us, and they have more powerful friends on their borders.

Democracy is not the issue.

Its more about whether the rulers of a nation have full freedom of sovereign action, identify with the nation, and derive their own power by advancing national power.

Or whether they are constrained by and obligated to foreign entities, and identify with foreign interests.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Nov 2011 12:44

If you look at this recent psy-op about nuke-filled trucks wandering the Karachi suburbs, there is more to it than meets the eye. If that news is leaked (assuming of course, it is true), why? The person that leaked it obviously knows that from that point onwards, every bearded barbarian that is not funded by ISI, (there is lots of them, even if ISI has done a damn good job funding and befriending so many bearded barbarians) is going to give a close look at unmarked suspicious trucks and kidnap a few just to see what it contains. Who knows, like a Chinese fortune cookie that have mysterious messages, some of it may contain nooks of the non-barnes+noble variety.

That means the leaker gives a sh.t about that...the other explanation being that the news is not true at all.

The pay backs are of course, easy to understand..one is it makes the Pakbarians even more nervous, making them move things about even more, thereby revealing their location. They may even be forced to switch to armoured trucks with escorts, which is as good as taking out full page ads in the DAWN.

The other is to add a bit of fuel to the anti-Pak media fire that is being lit by Unkil, it makes us jingos at BRF so much happy without producing any results, and anyway that is much cheaper than launching Tomahawks at ISI HQ. No one will believe Paki denials anyway so it adds to the urban legends about Pakbarian animalistan..

If only Unkil stops all this nonsense, gets serious and drops a daisy cutter or two on KSA barbarian HQ and TSPA / ISI HQ, war on terror will be over in two weeks.

BTW how does Unkil move his nooks about? In yellow painted trucks with signboards that say "Here are some nooks, pls stay away, risk of explosion"

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 12:48

Suppiah wrote:
The pay backs are of course, easy to understand..one is it makes the Pakbarians even more nervous, making them move things about even more, thereby revealing their location. They may even be forced to switch to armoured trucks with escorts, which is as good as taking out full page ads in the DAWN.

This seems the most realist
But the aim may be to get the rival groups to doubt the each other with the codes and location

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Nov 2011 12:49

Groper clarifies - no MFN...

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... epage=true

In other words, Pakbaric animals will now add a few more things to the list of 'demands' and then blame India for not getting MFN status for itself...

In a way this is good because it shuts up the WKKs, mass murderer beijing puppet lefties and their yellow media cabal.. for a few days at least..

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 12:52

Pakistan to give military training to Afghan army

Pakistan to give military training to Afghan army
Submitted by admin5 on 4 November 2011 - 10:19pm
Muslim World News
By IANS,

Islamabad : The Pakistan army will train the Afghan National Army and police under trilateral pacts signed at the 6th Trilateral Summit held in Istanbul, local media reported Friday.

Quoting Foreign Office spokesperson Tehmina Janjua, The News reported that Pakistan signed a protocol with Afghanistan and Turkey on conduct of mutual exercises and on training cooperation with Afghanistan. Pakistan would train police personnel to counter terrorism/law enforcement and it would also train the military personnel, Xinhua reported.

According to one of the protocols, the three countries signed a memorandum of understanding for training police personnel and conduct of mutual military exercises.

The protocol includes training courses between the militaries of the three countries and mutual exercises. These were signed by Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, General Necdet Ozal of Turkey and General Shah Muhammad Kairimi from Afghanistan.

The foreign office spokesperson said that Pakistan's principal objectives with regards to Afghanistan are "to promote stability, peace and prosperity in this brotherly country. This is important for peace and stability in the region as a whole".

"We are actively participating in all trilateral processes with regards to Afghanistan. These include Pakistan-Afghanistan-Turkey, Pakistan-Afghanistan-Iran, Pakistan-Afghanistan-US and the Pakistan-Afghanistan-Tajikistan-Russia quadrilateral as well as the SCO-sponsored processes and RECCA," said the spokesperson.

Local watchers believe that the conduct of mutual exercises and training cooperation would lessen the tension between the two countries. After the assassination of former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani on Sep 20, a statement issued by Afghan foreign office accused Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI of alleged involvement in the murder plot. Pakistani government refused it but such accusations tensed bilateral relations.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 05 Nov 2011 12:55

Why don't we give them unilateral MFN status= No first use nuke policy does not apply to the Pakee-tani

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 12:57

Pakistan has made no attempt to shut down LeT: US Congressman Gary Ackerman

Pakistan has made no attempt to shut down LeT: US Congressman Gary Ackerman
IANS Nov 4, 2011, 10.58am IST
Tags:
Osama bin Laden|Lashkar-e-Taiba
WASHINGTON, Accusing Pakistan of abetting terrorist groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), responsible for the November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, a key lawmaker wants the Obama administration to adopt a more realistic policy towards a key ally.

"We need to rid ourselves of the absurd notion that we can change Pakistan, reform its government, or create real trust," Gary Ackerman, top Democrat on a House foreign affairs sub-panel, said at a Congressional hearing Thursday.

Asserting "Pakistani military establishment is not our friend. They are not our allies. They are not our partners. They are not on our team," he said "It's not a secret that the Haqqani network is responsible for numerous attacks on the Afghan government and our troops.

It's not a secret that Lashkar-e-Taiba, which was responsible for the horrific November, 2008, massacre of civilians in Mumbai, India, an attack that clearly implicated the Pakistani military, operates openly in Pakistan."

"The government of Pakistan has made no effort to interfere, disrupt, arrest or shut down any of these groups or their activities," Ackerman said noting "It's no secret that Osama bin Laden was living comfortably in Abbottabad."

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 13:01

Military terms US media report a mere laughingstock

Military terms US media report a mere laughingstock
By: Maqbool Malik | Published: November 05, 2011
ISLAMABAD - Pakistan Friday dubbed a US media report regarding safety and security of its nuclear assets as a mere laughingstock, saying it was handiwork of the same lobby that wants to establish Pakistan as an irresponsible state.
“This a not the US monolithic view. It is work of some lobbies struggling to prove Pakistan as an irresponsible state,” knowledgeable sources in Pakistan’s military told TheNation requesting not to be named.
Laughing at the report published by a US magazine The Atlantic Wire, ‘Pakistan transports its nukes in everyday vans’, sources noted that after acknowledgement by senior US officials that safety and security of Pakistani nuclear assets is no more an issue, such media reports are worthless to comment upon. Castigating the report as a mere fabrication they thought Pakistan’s nuclear programme was the safest in the world.
“Look at the Indian nuclear programme in our neighbourhood, for example, that has gone through hundred of recorded major incidents so far,” the sources said. They were of the view that Pakistan always transported its nuclear assets in parts rather than in any mated form as alleged by the US magazine in the report.
There was no official input immediately available from the ISPR.
However, former Chief of Army Staff Gen (Retd) Mirza Aslam Beg described the report a pack of lies. “This is absolutely nonsense. This propaganda has long history. Some groups in the US create a fake news and then try to justify it by taking reaction from the irrelevant people,” former COAS Pakistan who has deep knowledge about Pakistan’s nuclear programme maintained.
“It’s non of their business. We know very well how to secure and move our assets”, he retorted. He noted that there have been many nuclear related incidents in the world, but Pakistan had none.
“They better look into those vulnerable programmes as well as risks attached to the transportation of fissile nuclear materials around the globe”, he added.
Former Director General Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), Lt.gen (retd) Hamid Gul said while sharing his insight into how safest Pakistan’s nuclear assets are.
He said Indian nuclear programme had gone through 153 major mishaps, but none of the lobbies in the US had ever raised any concern.

He said Pakistan’s nuclear programme is a defensive in nature and most safe and secured in the world.
“ These people should not worry about our nuclear assets. These are our assets and Pakistan is free to move them anywhere”, he quipped. According to The Atlantic’s new cover story, Pakistan transports its nuclear assets in civilian-style vans through busy traffic.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 05 Nov 2011 13:12

^^^^

He noted that there have been many nuclear related incidents in the world, but Pakistan had none.
...snip..

He said Indian nuclear programme had gone through 153 major mishaps, but none of the lobbies in the US had ever raised any concern.

Gernail GOL. It means the law of averages is going to catch up with you. India 153. Paki as usual zero. (Though we invented the zero. I think we invented it for you. Be grateful man!)

So you are lined up for one mishap. Yes just one.

Of monumental proportions. AoA

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 Nov 2011 13:47

TTP should conveniently steal one of these nukes and then demand of the Pakistani Army to take away all its forces from Pushtunistan!

And then the rest of the world should go berserk pretending that it affects them also, and start putting pressure on Pakistan to put all their nukes under international supervision!

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 05 Nov 2011 13:51

In the second part of Secret Pakistan, Bruce Riedel candidy says that US has already invaded 2 countries and they can a 3rd country also. But only that the country has the fastest increasing arsenal of Nuclear Weapons. So, is this the crux of the matter, why every country has to put up with Pakis and no option to punish them?? Is it going to be the same going forward also then, because their nuclear arsenal is not going to decrease but only increase?? So, is there no way out to have the Pakis see reason except for concessions from India and appeasement of the Pakis??

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 05 Nov 2011 13:59

Where the heck are the Pakis getting all the fissile material from. They are not endowed with any worthwhile Uranium deposits (or are they?).

Where do they get the raw material to ramp up their warheads? Is China still supplying them? Or the clandestine AQ Khan bootlegging still able to slip through the net?

If the Americans are so concerned with the expanding Paki nuke arsenal, how about try and stop them from getting any more Uranium in the first place.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 05 Nov 2011 14:02

^^^

How do you know that the PRC is not actually supplying Nukes to TSP. Please keep in mind that the TSP lacks all major Human Resource ingredients to run any modern successful weapons program.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Nov 2011 14:06

Suppiah wrote:Groper clarifies - no MFN...
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... epage=true

Pakistanis are so predictable.

SSridhar wrote:Confusing statements from Pakistan on the MFN status
Developing cold feet after the jihadi terrorists (which includes the PA) issued warning ? Would the MFN become another few-hours-wonder like the 2008 attempt by Zardari to bring the ISI under civilian control ?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 Nov 2011 14:07

What is clear is that Pakistan would always see itself as India's prime opposition and would continue to increase its arsenal. The ability to blackmail the world with its nukes is an important secondary benefit.

If we cannot disarm the Pakistanis of their nukes, at least we should be thinking in other terms:

1) We could change the ideology and world-view of the state: Zero chance of that, as it is founded on the Islamic mandate in the Subcontinent.

2) We could break up the state: Na rahega baans, na baajegi bansuri! Best way is to make the centripetal forces to strong to contain for the center.

3) We could fragment the upholders of the state: The Pakistani Army should be broken up. Financial squeeze is one aspect of it. Ethnic and sectarian differences can also play a part. The egos of various personalities, corruption, favoritism, everything should be availed of as tactics of destruction.

4) We can restrict the area in which the nukes are deployed or deployable: Restrict the influence of the Pakistani Army only to Pakjab. It should lose control over the rest of the territory.

5) We should try to curtail the nuclear fuel:

6) We should try to : We should "decommission" all nuclear plants where it can produce the fuel.

7) We should try to establish a UN-sanctioned Supervisory Commission for the supervision of Pakistan's Nukes:

...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Nov 2011 14:10

Rajesh, in short, we should try to dismantle Pakistan in every which way possible. For that, GoI must first determine that we have reached a point of no return with Pakistan and no other tactic would work.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 05 Nov 2011 14:11

Sir, Your post is too full of exaggerations regarding American power.

The US is a champion brinkmanship gold medal winner time and again. Recall Cuban missile crisis, with US setting up a cuba quarentine on the high seas.

They did not win any medal in the Cuban Missile crisis although the western media in general and American media in particular likes to portray it that way.

Their first response to the paki will turn the paki's pants wet and a sick brown-yellow in color.

It seems to be the other way round.Its the Americans who after lots of shouting are toning down their rhetoric and have now agreed to share details about drone strikes.And I dont hear any Pakistani offensive against the Haqqanis either.

When it comes to directly threatening the US homeland, the US will pull out all the stops

Perhaps. But then, arent the Pakistanis killing American soldiers in Afghanistan.??What earth-shaking action is the US taking against this perfidy.

Regards

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 05 Nov 2011 14:38

SSridhar wrote:Rajesh, in short, we should try to dismantle Pakistan in every which way possible. For that, GoI must first determine that we have reached a point of no return with Pakistan and no other tactic would work.

Also, the dismantling should come from inside, any external effort would lead to Nuclear war which everyone wants to avoid! How would the other infidels who are feeding Pakis now react?
And, is it possible for only India to do it alone, because the Pakis would cry out loud and would retaliate through increased Terrorism and Nuclear rhetoric. Please don't get me wrong here, we have the capability but is and more importantly Will the intent be there to go the distance alone.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 05 Nov 2011 14:46

Pratyush wrote:^^^

How do you know that the PRC is not actually supplying Nukes to TSP. Please keep in mind that the TSP lacks all major Human Resource ingredients to run any modern successful weapons program.

I am fully aware that PRC may most likely be behind this- I said so in my post.

The question is, are the Americans being naive, ignorant or deliberately coy when they do their hand wringing about the Paki nukes with no mention of the Chinese hand whatsoever?

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 05 Nov 2011 15:08

^^^^I am now suspicious that there are alot of skeletons in the American cupboards. And that is maybe why the Pakis have them by the short hairs.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Nov 2011 15:31

Pakis want to nuke India? Fine. Let them nuke us. We have 1.1 billion and 7 times their area. We will survive. The Islamic republic of Pakistan with their Islamic nuclear bomb and green paint will die!. Jai Bajrang bali! Jai Shri Ram! Jai Hanuman!

Bring on your nukes you shits. This is India. Not America.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 05 Nov 2011 15:36

Suppiah wrote: The other is to add a bit of fuel to the anti-Pak media fire that is being lit by Unkil, it makes us jingos at BRF so much happy without producing any results, and anyway that is much cheaper than launching Tomahawks at ISI HQ. No one will believe Paki denials anyway so it adds to the urban legends about Pakbarian animalistan..

If only Unkil stops all this nonsense, gets serious and drops a daisy cutter or two on KSA barbarian HQ and TSPA / ISI HQ, war on terror will be over in two weeks.

It also creates an atmosphere in which the Paks become a prime suspect in any incident of nuclear terrorism. While Paks have done much to deserve such suspicions, we also need to be wary of Headley type operations.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 05 Nov 2011 16:15

Shiv Ji,

You reply reminds one of the scene from 300, when the king shouts THIS IS SPARTAAAAA.

Very Very Macho.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 05 Nov 2011 16:18

shiv wrote:Pakis want to nuke India? Fine. Let them nuke us. We have 1.1 billion and 7 times their area. We will survive. The Islamic republic of Pakistan with their Islamic nuclear bomb and green paint will die!. Jai Bajrang bali! Jai Shri Ram! Jai Hanuman!

Bring on your nukes you shits. This is India. Not America.

Wow Shiv. Patience. I bet the Pakis will dig their own grave. Hopefully with us helping them The yanquis can't do anything anyways.

I bet the paquis think the MFN status is a Trojan horse.

We should get them so paranoid that they keep missing their step...speed up their grave digging. More chai biskoot please.

I always felt these were true tea house sessions. Only for chai and biskoot.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 05 Nov 2011 16:29

rajanb wrote:^^^^I am now suspicious that there are alot of skeletons in the American cupboards. And that is maybe why the Pakis have them by the short hairs.

Paki are known pathological liars, even if they were telling the "truth" they can be easily discredited by the Americans. Nobody will believe them.

IMO the weak link is Ombaba.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 05 Nov 2011 16:46

Dipanker wrote: Paki are known pathological liars, even if they were telling the "truth" they can be easily discredited by the Americans. Nobody will believe them.

IMO the weak link is Ombaba.

But who was the Strong link? certainly not Bush or his predecessors who were too idiotic to keep thinking nicely about the Pakis and ignoring their wrong-doing. Obama did start the drone program and attacks were made at the Pakis. Atleast there was some progress which did raise some hope that Uncle would eventually teach Pakis a lesson. For going out public, it would be unbecoming of a President. Also, I think the whole establishment of US govt. has a weak and more importantly directionless foreign policy. They get into wars on hype without knowing who the enemy is and wars which they cannot win and then later come up with excuses. Classic example was Bush blaming Saddam of Iraq for 9/11 immediately after it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Nov 2011 17:02

Ivanev wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Rajesh, in short, we should try to dismantle Pakistan in every which way possible. For that, GoI must first determine that we have reached a point of no return with Pakistan and no other tactic would work.
Also, the dismantling should come from inside, any external effort would lead to Nuclear war which everyone wants to avoid! How would the other infidels who are feeding Pakis now react?
And, is it possible for only India to do it alone, because the Pakis would cry out loud and would retaliate through increased Terrorism and Nuclear rhetoric.

Ivanev, Pakistan is actually a personification of Paranoidistan. Whether India does it or not, Pakistan's first and only instincts would be to assume the Indian hand in its every misery. This is something India has been living with, nothing new here. India also gets hit with enormous terrorism irrespective of its most forgiving attitude. This terrorism has also been going on ever since 1947. India also knows that the sole reason for Pakistan's nuclear weapons is to *use*, not to deter. Use it against India. Nothing new there too.

Is it possible for India alone to do it ? Pray, which other country should do that ? Not the US, and US analysts are becoming increasingly forthright on why so. The costs of inaction against Pakistan are increasing. More sleeper cells within India, more terror, more FICN, more travel advisories impacting Indian economy, possibility of two-and-a-half front war with Pakistan being present in each of those fronts, more instability in the region affecting us etc.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 05 Nov 2011 17:25

Sridharji

Is it possible for India alone to do it ? Pray, which other country should do that ? Not the US, and US analysts are becoming increasingly forthright on why so. The costs of inaction against Pakistan are increasing.

A very valid point. If it is not the US, we should realise that we have to look after our own interests on our own. Any assistance from others would be welcome, but surely we cannot expect anyone else to pull our chestnuts out of the fire?

The sooner we realise this and transfer this realisation into strengthening ourselves, the more pragmatic and fast track will be our defence acquisitions.

While I am not advocating conflict, at lease the more militarily powerful we get, the more will lady Paranoia visit the Pakis.

For for the limited objective of checkmating the Paquis, since we are the most likely to face their nukes anyway, we should team up with the US. It does in no way mean we subjugate ourselves, because this would be a one off objective.

Paqui attention is majorly on us. A recent example is the agreement with Afghanistan on training their security personnel. Paquis have followed this development and signed a reportedly similar agreement with the Afghans during the Turkey meet, with great alacrity.

The more good we seem to want to be with the Paquis the more khujli they seem to get. lets use that judiciously.

Uncle Sam is not our uncle and Russia is not the USSR. We have to shape our policies on that premise and whittle the Paquis down.

The fact that they are holding back on the MFN issue means we should oppose their other economic endeavours elsewhere.

These minute steps along with a greater awareness of the problems we face with dwindling force levels, and correcting them, would make us more secure and in a position to effectively strike back.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Nov 2011 18:10

>>Democracy is not the issue.

It is the issue for India, if "get rid of Mainos and EVMs" is an issue for China.

>>Its more about whether the rulers of a nation have full freedom of sovereign action, identify with the nation, and derive their own power by advancing national power.

This actually means that China is more concerned about our "full freedom of sovereign action" and all the rest of it than we are... Is that what you are saying? Because only after we get that, i.e. after getting rid of Mainos and EVMs presumably, will China deign to talk to us as per above statement.

By even considering this a possible necessity, a subservient position is automatically adopted. So I maintain, India wants to see free and fair elections sustained for a couple of decades in China if they want us to get rid of "Mainos and EVMs" (presumably so we strengthen our democracy even further). I have yet to see China make any such statement of course, or any Indian official for that matter...

>>Or whether they are constrained by and obligated to foreign entities, and identify with foreign interests.

And China isn't constrained etc? Probably the good doc needs to give us all another lesson on how China is even more chickenshit than Uncle Sham.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Nov 2011 18:24

India downplays confusing Pakistani signals on MFN

Asked about the confusing remarks from Pakistan government, the Foreign Secretary, Mr Ranjan Mathai, read out the statement by the Pakistan Commerce Ministry after the Cabinet meeting which said: “It has the mandate to take forward the process of normalisation of trade relations between India and Pakistan, which would culminate in the observance of Most Favoured Nation (MFN) principle in its true spirit.’’

“According to the information available through the Pakistan government, the Cabinet has approved the process of normalisation of trade relations of which MFN is a part. The actual implementation would be a culmination of the normalisation process which could take some time,” he said.

Backtracking on the issue, the Pakistan Prime Minister, Mr Yousuf Raza Gilani, has said the Commerce Ministry has only been tasked by the Cabinet to move forward on the issue in bilateral trade negotiations.

India not granted MFN: Gilani

“The Cabinet has only given its approval in principle to move forward on the issue (of MFN) and permitted the Ministry of Commerce, which is actively engaged in trade talks with New Delhi, to negotiate with it trade-related issues,” Mr. Gilani told reporters at his home in Lahore on Friday night.

“We will give it the go-ahead if the situation is quite favourable and in the national interest. Otherwise, proceedings on it would be withheld,” the Premier was quoted as saying by the media.

Now, what happens to Mr. Man Mohan Singh's welcome of the MFN status ?

“Better late than never. I welcome it,” Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said reacting to questions on Pakistan's decision to confer Most Favoured Nation Status on India. “This should have happened 17 years ago!” Dr. Singh exclaimed. “As one who believes that, rightly or wrongly, the destinies of countries in South Asia are very closely linked, {'wrongly' Mr. Prime Minister, utterly wrongly} I welcome the decision of Pakistan to grant us Most Favoured Nation treatment.”

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 05 Nov 2011 18:29

The last thing that we should hope for is Panda becoming a democracy.. The present CCP government has engaged in the kind of fiscal profligacy that it could hardly ill afford.. Its made a monkey of itself the way a democratic country could not.. While superficially giving huge loan to amreeka may sound h&d warming and all that.but seriously speaking China has been had by amreekans.. its unkil holding Panda by its balls... A democratic country would never make such huge errors of judgement... They age before becoming a rich country..Thanks to the ill-conceived 1 child norm ... A democracy could never make such a mess.

Imagine the kind of growth that Panda would have if it was a Taiwan style democracy...Do we seriously want panda to grow that well ? I am willing to bet my musharraf off that by 2030 India would be the largest economy... Unless of course India becomes a maino dictatorship or Panda becomes a democracy...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Nov 2011 18:44

rajanb wrote:
shiv wrote:Pakis want to nuke India? Fine. Let them nuke us. We have 1.1 billion and 7 times their area. We will survive. The Islamic republic of Pakistan with their Islamic nuclear bomb and green paint will die!. Jai Bajrang bali! Jai Shri Ram! Jai Hanuman!

Bring on your nukes you shits. This is India. Not America.
Wow Shiv. Patience.

No rajanb - the minute Pakis talk nukes it becomes religious war instantly. Let Pakis know that right now and prove that they have it in them. Let's see what they produce. We will shows our true colors - which is an orange glow over Pakistan.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 05 Nov 2011 18:49

No rajanb - the minute Pakis talk nukes it becomes religious war instantly. Let Pakis know that right now and prove that they have it in them. Let's see what they produce. We will shows our true colors - which is an orange glow over Pakistan.

After the orange glow will come the white ash, followed later by the green grass. Perfect colours to bathe the former Pakiland in.

But seriously, I do not think they have the guts.

After all that is why the PA chose that colour of brown for their pants.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Nov 2011 18:56

The authors of that Atlantic report are going to be on Fareed bhai's show this Sunday.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 05 Nov 2011 18:57

SSridhar wrote:Rajesh, in short, we should try to dismantle Pakistan in every which way possible. For that, GoI must first determine that we have reached a point of no return with Pakistan and no other tactic would work.

SSridhar this point was reached in 1971. From that day onwards, it is one way street only.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 05 Nov 2011 19:06

Suppiah wrote:...and their yellow cabal..

S,

This can come across as racist. please edit...

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 05 Nov 2011 19:06

RSoami wrote:Sir, Your post is too full of exaggerations regarding American power.
The US is a champion brinkmanship gold medal winner time and again. Recall Cuban missile crisis, with US setting up a cuba quarentine on the high seas.
They did not win any medal in the Cuban Missile crisis although the western media in general and American media in particular likes to portray it that way.

I did not say they got any medals at the end of that crisis. Just that they went to the brink in record time, and pushed the envelope when it came to climbing the escallation ladder early. That is all.

Their first response to the paki will turn the paki's pants wet and a sick brown-yellow in color.

It seems to be the other way round.Its the Americans who after lots of shouting are toning down their rhetoric and have now agreed to share details about drone strikes.And I dont hear any Pakistani offensive against the Haqqanis either.

The US is blowing hot and cold on this, making its responses self contradictory and confusing. Whether deliberate or not, the net effect is to increase uncertainity and therefore escallates the conflict level. The fact is that the US has known of the paki's double cross since before Ombaba's inaugeration - or so they say now. Who knows what they knew when, and what covert actions - if any - that they may have taken. Overtly, they are acting now. And all that their actions, taken together, puts the paki in more of a clueless position than it already was, but didnt know it.

When it comes to directly threatening the US homeland, the US will pull out all the stops

Perhaps. But then, arent the Pakistanis killing American soldiers in Afghanistan.??What earth-shaking action is the US taking against this perfidy.

Regards[/quote]

Yes, but according to BR, they have known of this "killing American soldiers in Afghanistan" for at least over two years. Why are they going public with it now. They did not take any action - earth shattering or not - all this time, so what purpose are they pursuing now? See what I mean. There is a lot of uncertainity added to the situation - for the paki, for the chinees, for the Iranees, and, of course, for India as well. It is not what the US is doing, but the extent of their freedom of action here that is the big unknown driving this process. You and others can assert that they have no such freedom of action - fine. I dont know any such thing of my own. I just look at the bigger picture, and come away wondering what is the true picture in its entirety. The US can/cannot, will/will not et cetera is a teeter totter that others are forced to ride until the US clarifies its intentions. You may have figured it out already, others are welcome to join me and wait and see