Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 09 Nov 2011 22:16

It is an islamic Jaddo-Jahid to slowly put this into the mind of desis.

1. Replace the word "Indian Subcontinent" into "South Asia" towards their goal of creating federation of South Asia with Muslims as leaders.

2. Associate the world "Akhand Bharat" as "nefarious evil goal of Hindus"

3. RSS as bad as HM, LET and others.

Everytime you see somebody saying "south asia" please correct them.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Nov 2011 22:56

For Congress and Sooper secularists, RSS is a euphemism for all that is protective of soil sprung values. No doubt they see RSS in every nook and corner.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Nov 2011 22:59

Prem, Awesome confirmation of gambling dens. See the managing TSP thread.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 09 Nov 2011 23:02

good man Imran Khan is shown to keep good company. The bald in the pic is said to be the bald of Hamid Gul

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 09 Nov 2011 23:03

Dilbu wrote: It is all in the past. If we are to make decisions today then we have to look at the facts as on this date. We have to realise the fact that India and TSP are totally different countries now and we have nothing in common from those days of 1940s. It does not make a difference now whether the partition was just, unjust or useless. We have to realise what this entity called TSP across the border really is TODAY and deal with it accordingly. Living in past glory or reliving past horrors will not solve tomorrow's problems. We should learn from history but that knowledge should be used for solving present issues. JMHO.

The past horrors are being repeated now by Muslims in India, just read the news.

So tomorrow they will breed and illegally infiltrate and then demand the whole of WB & NE as a new Islamic state, should we hand that over too?

If we so easily hand over 1/3rd of our land and then celebrate it giving stupid reasons ("past is past" blah blah blah), we don't deserve to survive.

Partition could have been good if all Muslims went to the country they created and Hindus-Sikhs came to India.

Pakistan is nothing but a product of Islam, realize that first before lecturing me about "living in past glory and horrors". Once you realize that then you will see what's in store for us, deganga is only a start.

Or you can construct your own make believe world like many here do.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Nov 2011 23:14

The past is always present, it would be a sore and dire mistake to forget that.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 09 Nov 2011 23:16

SBajwa ji, astute point about "South Asia". also, it is a tool used to do '==' every time there is a report of some unsavory activity in Pak or Beedi. Benazir's daughter, in one of her speeches, was waxing eloquent about "South Asia" about some shit that happened in Pakiland.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Nov 2011 23:18

More confirmation on Imran Khan getting TSPA backing:

IBN blog

Is TSPA backing Imran Khan?

....
According to a US-based analyst, the army's biggest worry today is the prospect of its Pashtun brethren breaking away to cast their lot with the Afghan Pashtuns, their kinfolk. There's enough bad blood the Punjabis have accumulated over the decades. More recently of course, it has been the bombing by the Pak Air Force and the relentless US drone strikes that have killed several Taliban commanders but many more innocent civilians. The mood in the tribal badlands clearly is not very forgiving. Add to that, the analyst says the army is no longer able to influence the course of events across the Durand Line. It means that while it controls Mullah Omar, it's not sure about scores of other commanders.

Here's where Imran Khan could be useful. He's as Pashtun as they come, unsullied compared to other politicians and singing the army's preferred tune: No to American pressure, end the drone attacks and strike peace deals with the Taliban in Waziristan.

To a section of the army upset over the dilution of its anti-India battle plan, Imran's declaration that the Indian Army should be thrown out of Kashmir would seem doubly welcome. This at a time when public sentiment has downgraded India to Public Enemy No.2 status with Washington moving into first place. But the anti-India section maybe the only 'united' lot in the Pak army. There's the section which is pro-America anti-Jihadi, then the Anti-American pro-Jihadis and others. The ISI, he believes, shows the same divisions. In that sense, General Kayani no longer disposes, somebody else does.

Oddly, Washington still appears to believe that Pakistan is the preferred horse to back, notably in Kabul. The alternative is the regional players taking over, namely Russia, China, Iran and India which would leave no room for Washington. In that sense, a Pakistani hold over Kabul still gives America hope!

And Imran Khan is also backed by Queenie which allows them to get back in the game.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 09 Nov 2011 23:32

Theo_Fidel wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:because WKK's and powe elites are far from the rice paddies and jungle frontiers of the ganga-brahmaputra delta lands - as they always were
Not to mention Kachativu. Only piece of land India voluntarily handed over to another country. By IG no less. Truly Dilli is far away.

Here you go Theo

THE SINHALAYA NEWS AGENCY
Wednesday, 09 November 2011

Reopen Kachativu agreement with Sri Lanka reiterates: CPI National Secretary

(ANI): National Secretary of the Communist Party of India (CPI) D Raja on Wednesday reiterates the demand to reopen Kachativu agreement with Sri Lanka.

Raja reiterated the demand while discussing the problems faced by fishermen in seawaters between India and Sri Lanka at a meeting jointly organised by states of Tamil Nadu and Pondicherry Fishermen Federation in Chennai today.

The fishermen complained that the number of attacks on them by naval forces of Sri Lanka has been increasing.

D Raja assured the fishermen that he would raise the issue in the Parliament.

"We want to tell the Government, the Kachativu agreement needs to be reopened and renegotiated and it can no more wait and our government will have to address this concern because there is a big grey area. Whether Indian fishermen have the right to go and fish around Kachativu area and that has to be cleared for which we demand the Kachativu agreement of 1974 needs to be reopened and renegotiated with the Sri Lankan government and this is imperative in the given situation," said Raja.

He also alleged that to a large extent the coast guards were also responsible for the harassment of the fishermen.

Dravida Munnettra Kazhagam (DMK) MP Kanimozi was also present along with Raja to interact with the relatives of the missing and deceased fishermen.

"I am from Rameshwaram. My husband was shot dead by the Sri Lankan navy when he went to sea for fishing. I have received Rs 10,0000 as compensation but ever since then nobody has bothered about me. I am struggling every day and there is no body to help me," said Nagavalli, a fishermans wife.

Since 1983, more than 300 Tamil Nadu fishermen have been attacked and killed by the Sri Lanka Navy.

It has been a long-pending demand of Tamil Nadu politicians that India should take the island of Kadchatheevu on perpetual lease so that the lives and livelihood of Indian fishermen are protected.

Since June 28, 1974, when India ceded Kachativu to Sri Lanka, it has been a source of controversy between the two countries.

The sea around Kachativu is rich in prawns, and attracts fishermen from Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu.

From Rameswaram, Talaimannar (Sri Lanka) is just 12 nautical miles away. (ANI)

I would cross post on SL thread, if I knew how - other than going to it and reposting it.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Nov 2011 23:34

ramana wrote: And Imran Khan is also backed by Queenie which allows them to get back in the game.

Why is the beeb demonizing pacquis all of a sudden?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Nov 2011 23:36

So their hand is not seen!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Nov 2011 23:37

interesting that both the OBL smackdown programme and the Paqui expose have been handled by british media outlets in the first instance. in both cases they smell of ombaba's campaign management team as being the producers/commissioners of the programmes

not that i care, if ombaba gets re-elected on smacking the haquis and the paquis down some, then its a good outcome

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 09 Nov 2011 23:44

If the Pathans decide to go, they go. Nothing the miserable pakjabis do will stop that. The Taliban have recently made overtures to India. I believe India should work with any and all pathan factions. Once the Pushtoon lands seceed, the paki will crumble quickly. India should already start signing agreements with the Baloch, and working on deals with the Pathans - they are ripe, and it would not take a big push. The Baloch are ahead of the Pathans, they have a liberation movement in the works, hot and cold since the seventies.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 10 Nov 2011 01:05

Thanks SanjayKumar, Parsuram, VikasRaina and others.

by VikasRaina
Sbajwa/Parsuram ji: I had assumed that all these Kabila/Invader practices of Muslims in Punjab and
adjoining areas were crushed and curbed by rule of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. I was surprised to
read that pre-47, this still was prevalent in areas now under Paki occupition.

Are there areas in India where Hindu/sikh girls are still abducted like they way it
used to happen in West Punjab?
I think the ferocity of reaction by Hindus/Sikhs during 47 riots was culmination of
the anger and fear that had been bottled up for so many centuries.

Well!! Punjab and sorrounding areas traditionally been the area between these rivers

Chenab - Ravi - Beas (Amritsar, Gurdaspur, Lahore, Jalandhar, Virkgarh(Sheikhupura), Jammu and Kashmir (as you go up.
Gujranwala was the outpost and Rawalpindi was the border on foothills.

In this area post 1000 A.D. Muslims lived in cities while Hindus lived in countryside. Cities were basically
a garrison town of the local Zamindar paying tribute to the Delhi kingdom. Villages were all self sufficient.
Women were free to roam around and study from the schools attached to the temple. This changed
as population and islamic raids increased. by 1500s when Babar attacked there already was a rift among
Hindus and Muslims (Evident from the Gurbani of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji)., this shows that muslims were almost
10-30% of some villages. Muslim population hovered around 10-30% in villages till the rule of Jahangir/Aurungzeb
when it shot up in Kashmir and Western Punjab (not in the heartland of Chenab-Ravi-Beau).

When Aurungzeb was ruling he declared to convert whole of Kashmir to Islam (Guru Tegh Bahadur stepped in)
and his governors (Lahore under Zakriya Khan, Sarhind under Wazir Khan) stepped up their persecution. Aurungzeb
died in 1707., after executing Guru Tegh Bahadur in 1675, Guru gobind singh in 1705/6, Between 1710 - 1716
Banda Bahadur defeated the Mughal governor of Sarhind (Wazir Khan) and established his writ between Delhi
and Lahore. He also passed the law for farmers to only pay him 10% (as oppose to 67% that mughals levy) if they
could afford. Banda Bahadur is the reason that Khalsa and Sikhs were called "SARDARS" Sardar in Persian means
"leaders" which were all mughals before this.

During Aurungzeb's rule the men of Haryana/Punjab always carried weapons as a protection from Ranghars.

On hearing that some sikhs are visiting an X village people from all over the area would come to complain
about various isuues (abductions, banditry, killings, etc).

Banda Bahadur was executed in 1716 but by that time the light had been lit. People knew that they
had to protect their own Kith and kin.

Sikh soldier became "Sardar" of the whole district. Then when Nadir Shah invaded india in 1738 Sikhs
were alredy established power under Jathedar Kapur Singh. By 1760s Mughals and Rohillas were paying
tribute to Sikhs. in 1765 the three Sikh Misls captured Lahore. T

Ranjit singh became emperor in 1799 by taking the city of Lahore from another Sikh family (Lahina Singh Dhillon aka Bhangi)
and not from Mughals. His genious is consolidating his emperor by not attacking the British held/protectorate areas
but by attacking the western and across river Indus.

Rest of the punjab before British was very sparsely populated. during the times of Slaves, Khiljis, Lodis, and Mughals.
Western Punjab had very few towns and mostly on the banks of the rivers. In these towns Pathans and Baluchs would
raid the villages to get anything they could.

The cities of Faisalabad/Lyallpur, Sahiwal/Montgomery, Rawalpind (cantt) were created by British when they created many canals
joining the five rivers to improve the agricultural output (very successful endeavour). Hindus and Sikhs
were mostly civil enginners (Sir Ganga Ram of Lahore fame (hospital) was such civil engineer) and soldier/farmers.
Soldier farmers as at that time British instead of giving Pension use to gave away land in a measure called
Murabbae i.e. 25 Acres. An exceptional soldier would get 10 Murabbae (250 acres) while a normal soldier would get
1-5 murabbae.

Most of this land was jungles which retired soldiers converted to agricultureable land by moving away the
rocks, digging small canals, uprooting trees, killing snakes, etc. Once the land was good it became an
attractive point for Pathans and Baluchs to raid.

Between 1860 - 1880 The western punjab was safe. In 1880 the city of Lyallpur was created (now called Faisalabad)
then Canals were dug to between the River Ravi and River Chenab (Sir Ganga Ram of Mangatawala worked on this)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Ganga_Ram It is because of Sir Ganga Ram the civil engineer that Montgomery/Sahiwal
got Water.

Even in 1901 the city of Lyallpur only had 10,000 folks but it shot up after first world war when many
soldiers were retired with land aroud Lyallpur.

When this land was being cleared pathans and baluchs use to raid to get money and sometimes women., which
retired soldiers always defended.

Slowly muslims moved into these new cities as labourers in the cotton factories of Lyallpur, farm workers, etc.
Which they forcefully took in 1947.

Historically Islamic society has always given precendence to take over (land,money,women)
forcefully from non-muslims over working hard to earn.

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Coming back to abductions in India do you remember
the very famous incident of Rawal Ratan Singh/Rani Padmani and Sultanate emperor Alaudeen Khilji?

That was nothing but a try to abduct (earliest incident).

Before Marathas and Sikhs freed the North/West India from Mughals all of Indian women were fair game for nawabs/Zamindars and emperors (under islamic protection) depending upon the reach of their armies.

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 10 Nov 2011 01:08

anishns wrote:
habal wrote:Paki pedofiles and sex-maniacs target UK girls. It's a continuation of Parsuram's pakjab story here it seems:

@29:37 Pakiness personified.....lets blame the victim. A pakifather trying to defend his 2 paki offsprings convicted of rape by blaming it on the girls and the system.

Just watched the whole f***in interview. These A**hole pacquis (both Young & old) are alike.... scum of the earth.... the amount of "teflon" the porkis have is amazing.... when this "sex grooming" scandal originally surfaced i read on deaf & dumb forum that they were exemplifying it as some sort of "victory" over the kuffar, these poakroaches shud all be put in a big enough container and rained upon with napalm... i hope the Indian and other brown lads in britainistan are not targeted by the right wing goras skin heads.... Indian community both in EU & elsewhere around the globe shud start making active efforts to create a clear demarcation between us and the porkis.... for the indian ladies i thing it is fairly easy (for the ones who wear bindi which the angrez love to call the red dot on forehead) which i think is a good enuf differentiators from the pakeezah and their angular cut shalwars, for the Indian men what could be a marked differentiators (other then being SDRE)?

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 10 Nov 2011 01:12

JE Menon wrote:I've been told that today on BBC Hardtalk Stephen Sackur violated Pervez's Musharraf... Haven't seen it yet. Not sure, but apparently Musharraf lost its composure towards the end and Pakistaniyat was flowing loosely.

Here is clip of what Menon saar speaks off, Mushy's facial fart is priceless... trying to find the whole episode -
Again, the amount of teflon in the porkis skin is extraordinary, never in the history a race so excrement-ish lived upon the face of the earth...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/h ... 634634.stm

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 10 Nov 2011 01:15

Hope this is mere poak farting by YAWN.

Bangladesh may withdraw complaint over EU help for Pakistan

GopiD · Post by **GopiD** » 10 Nov 2011 01:21

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... topstories

PAKISTAN: ANATOMY OF A NATION

Straight from the horses' mouths (Banu Taseer and Mohammed Haneef). We can see the gloom and the disappointment seeing their country slowly slipping into anarchy.....

Good watch.....

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 10 Nov 2011 01:40

SBajwa wrote:That was nothing but a try to abduct (earliest incident).

Its part and parcel of Turko-Afghan culture. Even today, in the 21st century, one sees regular reports of marriage-by-abduction in places like Chechnya. And this is among their own women! Its considered almost a manly thing to do, to pick one's wife by abduction, with the help of one's langotiya yaars. Sometimes there is a tacit understanding between the man and the target girl; often there is not. the guy expects her to become mesmerized with his overpowering manliness. Last year I came across a report from the new Islamized society in Chechnya. apparently there have been many cases of girls being abducted by mard-e-momins who want to start a family. Problem is, they didn't fall in love with their captor husbands, the way its supposed to happen in Turkic ballads and epics. One reason could be that some of these abducted brides were already married to some other Chechen dude. Now these abducted women started having serious psychiatric illness within the first year or two of their new "marriage". So they were taken to a spanking new building built by Wahhabi money, where Islamic doctors would first adminster jinn technology to cure her of her illness. This happens by putting her in a straitjacked and paddling her while she yells and protests (pictures included in the BBC Persian report). The good doctor was beating the jinn that possessed her body out of her, you see. Finally when the poor girl's rage and fear dies down into apathy, she becomes calm. the jinn has been driven out, alhamdullilah. She is now sent home with her husband's family.

From the female side, I have read Urdu novellas and short stories by Pakistani female authors actually romanticizing this "tradition". I remember reading one such, "diyaar e gheyr", where the female author romanticizes the abduction of a girl by a Pathan. The Pathan abducts her because he has some beef with her dad. Takes her home and keeps her as a wife. The girl suffers mental trauma, but then with the years she "matures" and begins to respect and love her husband and the good looking daughter she bears. Special tributes paid to the good looks of the daughter offspring of this form of marriage to the Afghan. A form of marriage rated in the bottom two rungs of the human consciousness scale as per the Vedas - rakshasa if the girl wants it too, and paissaacha when she is taken even against her own will.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Nov 2011 02:00

Narad wrote:Hope this is mere poak farting by YAWN.

Bangladesh may withdraw complaint over EU help for Pakistan

Well, the original is here:
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... ws&sp=true

The only hope is that the Bangla Foreign Secy. says - "I will check with Geneva" - shouldn't he have said, "I will check with Dhaka?"

Older Bangla take:
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/n ... nid=203945

“We did not prepare any position paper this year in this regard. We are not sure enough whether we would oppose this year as we did not receive any signal from the high level of the government,” the official said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Nov 2011 02:28

Carl, Again confirms the pisacha links to these guys!

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 10 Nov 2011 02:32

Keep tracking this
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/david-headley/

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 10 Nov 2011 02:32

JE Menon wrote:I've been told that today on BBC Hardtalk Stephen Sackur violated Pervez's Musharraf... Haven't seen it yet. Not sure, but apparently Musharraf lost its composure towards the end and Pakistaniyat was flowing loosely.

The Audio only version:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 ... _Pakistan/

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 10 Nov 2011 04:24

musharraf completely looses it....I mean seriously, just mute the audio and watch his mannerisms. his posture completely devolves as the small clip progresses. would like to see the whole of it.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 10 Nov 2011 04:49

GopiD wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... topstories

PAKISTAN: ANATOMY OF A NATION

Straight from the horses' mouths (Banu Taseer and Mohammed Haneef). We can see the gloom and the disappointment seeing their country slowly slipping into anarchy.....

Good watch.....

Well, Gopi ji: I find that entire interview turning my stomach, slowly. these sonsofbitches and justplainbitches have no business having enjoyable pleasent days in Goa. there is little doubt of their background in the RAPE community. Grew up denigrating Hindus, proud of their "martial"backgroud which is now in shambles, but still cannot avoid their eql eql. India should be ashamed of "interefearing in Afghanistan like the paki"? ya, sure, building highways and schools ranks up there with the hikini & assorted other terror networks. These dam piglets of unmarried brother-sister unions should stay home, and not be allowed in India until they openly disawow their so called barbaric religion, and then they can come and wash it off at Kashi or Haridwar or alternatively, a dozen other places India can designate for the purpose. burkha Dutt is , as usual also her own naive eql eql self.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 10 Nov 2011 05:19

Shaastanga: Many others have added to the narrative I started about the abduction of Hindu and Sikh girls/women by mussalmans in overwhelming muslim majority areas of pre partition Punjab. SBajwa has done a particularly good job of providing a historical snapshot, while there are now added posts describing this dispicable practice, such as your post. I am not aware of this practice continuing in India other than incidents in Kashmir, reports of which have died down. Other than that, I have worries about the entire mess in the northeast, with the dam beedis. And speaking of dam, I am going to take this opportunity to renew asking India add a dam, if needed, to make the Feni a year round navigable international waterway. It will open up Tripura to direct access across the Bay of Bengal from west Bengal. The north east 's isolation is what will make the danger of such abductions more real, among other things that the beedis are capable of - and are probably doing so covertly already.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Nov 2011 05:52

Shaashtanga wrote:
JE Menon wrote:I've been told that today on BBC Hardtalk Stephen Sackur violated Pervez's Musharraf... Haven't seen it yet. Not sure, but apparently Musharraf lost its composure towards the end and Pakistaniyat was flowing loosely.
Here is clip of what Menon saar speaks off, Mushy's facial fart is priceless... trying to find the whole episode -
Again, the amount of teflon in the porkis skin is extraordinary, never in the history a race so excrement-ish lived upon the face of the earth...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/h ... 634634.stm

In this clip Stephen Sackr fails to point ot a fundamental contradiction in what Musharraf says. When it comes to Mullah Omar being in Pakistan Musharraf says "I don't know". When it comes to the question of Mullah Omar being in Afghanistan, Musharraf is 100% certain of Mullah Omar's presence in Afghanistan.

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Nov 2011 05:54

shiv wrote:
In this clip Stephen Sackr fails to point ot a fundamental contradiction in what Musharraf says. When it comes to Mullah Omar being in Pakistan Musharraf says "I don't know". When it comes to the question of Mullah Omar being in Afghanistan, Musharraf is 100% certain of Mullah Omar's presence in Afghanistan.

Exactly. Same thought I had when I watched the interview.

Watch the interview with a UK proxy server.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Pakistan/

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 10 Nov 2011 05:56

parsuram wrote:Shaastanga: Many others have added to the narrative I started about the abduction of Hindu and Sikh girls/women by mussalmans in overwhelming muslim majority areas of pre partition Punjab. SBajwa has done a particularly good job of providing a historical snapshot, while there are now added posts describing this dispicable practice, such as your post. I am not aware of this practice continuing in India other than incidents in Kashmir, reports of which have died down. Other than that, I have worries about the entire mess in the northeast, with the dam beedis. And speaking of dam, I am going to take this opportunity to renew asking India add a dam, if needed, to make the Feni a year round navigable international waterway. It will open up Tripura to direct access across the Bay of Bengal from west Bengal. The north east 's isolation is what will make the danger of such abductions more real, among other things that the beedis are capable of - and are probably doing so covertly already.

No it very much happens to this day all over India, its just that the English media suppresses it.

It is very bad in Kerala and border areas of WB.

For example check:

http://southbengalherald.blogspot.com/2 ... -girl.html

This website documents many such daily incidents happening in WB:

http://hindusamhati.blogspot.com/

It is a result of demography, it was worse pre Partition because there were more Muslims then.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Nov 2011 06:07

If the repeated abduction attempts are still made in India then majority population at large is the culpirt or blame the leaders who resisted the transfer of population denying TNT. Reap the secular reward sowed in 47. Thanks Lord, Chacha was not allowed to influence the outcome in Punjab.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Nov 2011 06:50

GopiD wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... topstories

PAKISTAN: ANATOMY OF A NATION

Straight from the horses' mouths (Banu Taseer and Mohammed Haneef). We can see the gloom and the disappointment seeing their country slowly slipping into anarchy.....

Good watch.....

Barkha Dutt starts off OK. She sounds like she is asking the right questions in the right way, but the superficiality of her attitudes shows. Despite his nasty comments last time, Hanif comes out as the most realistic guy. Taseer's daughter is pretty. Wearing designer clothes as one would expect from RAPE. Even allowing for maturity arising from her personal experiences she mouths the usual cliches and platitudes about Pakhanastan. She talks rubbish and NDTV has chosen an empty person for 40 minutes of airtime. Her analogies and examples all come from the US which she is more familiar with. Waste of time. One interesting Freudian slip she makes is while talking of extremists getting only 8-10% of the vote she calls them the "fringe majority"

hmm... The fringe are the majority all right. Truth will always slip out even from a Pakhani.

Barkha Dutt's biggest fault is a very Indian fault. She does equal equal merely to ensure that the Shitistanis don't get hurt. See the nonsense that goes on here. They are allowed to feel hurt and act stupid. We are supposed to be nice. This is the exact relationship maintained by Islam with kafirs. Islam is allowed to be upset by everyone else. No one is supposed to get upset with Islam. Bullshit.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 10 Nov 2011 06:54

Can all the OT discussions be taken to GDF? Let's stick to the mandate of this thread which IMO is focus on Pakistaniat and Paki bashing!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Nov 2011 07:00

After many days finally managed to finish reading Chritine Fair's report
http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/112/fai110311.pdf

I propose a somewhat radical way of reframing our relations with Pakistan. In 2009, I argued
that if U.S.
<snip>
That said, the United States has for too long encouraged the army’s praetorianism. The
conditions on security assistance that were enshrined in Kerry-Lugar-Berman were a good start.
Unfortunately, the language of the bill offers Pakistan and the United States many loopholes even if
the conditions are not met, as evidenced by Secretary of State Clinton’s March 2011 certification
that Pakistan was fulfilling its obligations to help fight terrorism among other issues. This
certification was issued even while the United States was planning the Bin Laden raid. It would have
been better for the administration to have sought a waiver, which would have signaled to the
Pakistanis that U.S. national security interests would prevail—for the time being.
Fifth, the United States should engage Pakistan’s military as it does with any other military.
The International Military Education Training (IMET) program is important. Where possible, it
should be expanded. However engaging Pakistan’s military does not mean the provision of
strategic weapon systems or other weapon systems that are more suitable for fighting its revisionist
conflict with India than domestic terrorism and insurgency. This also means treating the Pakistan
military like a military. There is no reason why the US Secretary of State should meet with the Chief
of Army Staff routinely, much less the head of the ISI. The United States should follow its diplomatic
protocol. While the desire to go to the source of power is understandable, there is no reason to
believe that engaging the army chief directly produces better cooperation or even that the army
chief or ISI chief are honest interlocutors in the first place. The United States needs to attenuate its
khaki addiction.

What I find amusing is how, on BRF, the US talking with Paki generals was touted as great wisdom and strength. Fair points out how useless it was.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 10 Nov 2011 07:17

Shiv ji: Fair's recommendations are totally sensible. Its another matter if they are followed. I would not hold my breath. In the off chance that they were, we would see the most constipated bunch of military on the face of the earth.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Nov 2011 07:28

Khaki no longer serve like an obedient servant of Zia's time prviding personal services. It make sense now to shut the door on them , deny the direct access and follow the diplomatic protocol. Over all , this is good news as the gulf is widening between the old Bhoga and Bhogi now moving to the right perception level of both doing something bad in each other's Khuutii.

Nick_S · Post by **Nick_S** » 10 Nov 2011 07:30

Guess i missed this bit - What does "djinns" refer to?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Nov 2011 07:34

India feels ready to take a step ahead with Pakistan

In the wake of "shrinking" trust deficit on account of improving economic relations, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is set to take another plunge in normalising ties with Pakistan on Thursday.

A few days ago, we had this report, which also helped in reducing trust deficit.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Nov 2011 07:40

jrjrao wrote:A very long, very engaging read. Has details about what the US has planned, apparently, to denuke Terroristan.

The Ally From Hell
By JEFFREY GOLDBERG and MARC AMBINDER

The Atlantic, latest issue

Reaction of one time BRF favourite Shrilleen aka Dr. Shireen Mazari to the article titled “The Ally from Hell” by Jeffrey Goldberg and Marc Ambinder that appeared in magazine “The Atlantic”.

Does the designation of Vice President make Dr. Mazari the Grand Poobah for Foreign Policy for Imran Khan’s political party, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI)? :

Our ‘ally from hell’: a rejoinder to US hawks

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 10 Nov 2011 07:52

Nick_S wrote:Guess i missed this bit - What does "djinns" refer to?

http://sites.google.com/site/brfdiction ... nn-fizzyks

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 10 Nov 2011 08:01

Musharraf: Mullah Omar has 'never been in Pakistan'