Ohhhh! Yes of course. How stupid of us. We should have noticed the characteristic nose cone of the F-7 and its tailpipe in these photos. Angelina Jolie, stop pestering mevijaytripoli wrote:Its F-7 p not JF-17. Typical Media . Trainee Got Survied by ejecting but Instructor is Deadshravan wrote:Pilot dies in PAF jet crash
ATTOCK: A Pakistan Air Force (PAF) aircraft JF-17 Thunder, crashed in Attock Distrct also killing its pilot, Geo News, reported Monday.
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Shiv Saar? Are you expecting small matters like logic come in the way of Jinns wishful list?.shiv wrote:Ohhhh! Yes of course. How stupid of us. We should have noticed the characteristic nose cone of the F-7 and its tailpipe in these photos. Angelina Jolie, stop pestering mevijaytripoli wrote:quote="shravan"]Pilot dies in PAF jet crash
ATTOCK: A Pakistan Air Force (PAF) aircraft JF-17 Thunder, crashed in Attock Distrct also killing its pilot, Geo News, reported Monday./quote]
Its F-7 p not JF-17. Typical Media . Trainee Got Survied by ejecting but Instructor is Dead
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harbans, there is still a lot of confusion about TSP granting us MFN status. The Pakistani information minister announced it after a cabinet meeting, which was later retracted upon severe opposition from jihadi Islamist terrorist organizations. Gilani explained that only a decision to discuss this with India has been taken and no MFN has been granted. However, the Indian PM and pfficials have been repeatedly claiming that MFN has already been granted. This report below, by talking of a 'positive list' still being maintained by Pakistan, debunks that MFN myth.harbans wrote:So i don't really understand whats this camaraderie om MFN all about. Just another naive fool in Office thinking Pappi Jhappi is all that takes to solve the Paki conundrum.
Really, Indian nation is being fooled by our leaders and bureaucrats.And as Mr. Mahmood was leaving for New Delhi, Pakistan added a dozen commodities to the list of imports from India.
The environment for a possible fruitful round of talks was created with Pakistan granting India the most favoured nation (MFN) and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh responding by bringing Islamabad within the ambit of a Preferential Trade Arrangement.
Mr. Khullar {Commerce Secretary Rahul Khullar}welcomed the Pakistan Cabinet's decision to approve the MFN status to India
.The Australian Broadcasting Corporation presenter did not seem to think much of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s whine and described that country thus:In the past when US/India nuclear deal had taken place, we feel that Pakistan was discriminated against. And we hope that this time, given our very strong and cordial relationship with Australia, Pakistan would not be discriminated against.
Read the Australian Broadcasting Corporation interview of the Pakistani High Commissioner at the below weblink:Pakistan has a reputation as a rogue state when it comes to nuclear weapons.
Aditya_V wrote:China expresses surprise over reports of nuke sales to Pakistan
Chinese officials have denied sales of nuclear plants and material to Pakistan in the past, and later confirmed such reports after a period of time.
How come 2 is missing after 7. It is F72, better and bigger number than F22 .Neela wrote: You are absolutely right Vijaytripoli - it is a F-7.
Thanks god it is not JF-17 ...thank god our H&D is safe!
NeelaSyria!
The Bangladeshi Newspaper “Financial Express” is reporting that Bangladesh has no intention of backing down at the WTO and agreeing to the EU’s request of providing a waiver that would permit tariff concessions for select products exported by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to the EU:A_Gupta wrote:Well, the original is here:Narad wrote:Hope this is mere poak farting by YAWN.
Bangladesh may withdraw complaint over EU help for Pakistan
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... ws&sp=true
The only hope is that the Bangla Foreign Secy. says - "I will check with Geneva" - shouldn't he have said, "I will check with Dhaka?"
Older Bangla take:
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/n ... nid=203945
“We did not prepare any position paper this year in this regard. We are not sure enough whether we would oppose this year as we did not receive any signal from the high level of the government,” the official said.
Excellent!arun wrote:
The Bangladeshi Newspaper “Financial Express” is reporting that Bangladesh has no intention of backing down at the WTO and agreeing to the EU’s request of providing a waiver that would permit tariff concessions for select products exported by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to the EU:
BD unlikely to backtrack from stance
So effectively, empty concessions exchanged between India and Pakistan.In late September this year, India announced its withdrawal of the objection that it had earlier raised to the WTO in this connection. Following that development, Pakistan gave the Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status to India.
Regarding Trade Normalization: it was decided that the move to full normalization of trade relations shall be sequenced.
In the first stage, Pakistan will transition from the current Positive List approach to a Negative List.
The consultation process on devising this Negative List is almost complete.
A small Negative List shall be finalized and ratified by February, 2012. Thereafter, all items other than those on the Negative List shall be freely exportable from India to Pakistan. In the second stage, the Negative List shall be phased out.
The timing for this phasing out will be announced in February 2012 at the time the List is notified and it is expected that the phasing out will be completed before the end of 2012.
A comprehensive discussion, “Nuts and Bolts of Trade Facilitation”, was organized in Delhi by FICCI, on 29.09.2011. Participants included Pakistan and Indian business delegates, technical experts, representatives of Indian regulatory bodies, and senior government officials.
The feedback received was that this seminar had been most useful to address issues raised by businesspersons as well as to dispel misapprehensions.
It was clarified that all standards and specifications were non-discriminatory, viz., they applied to all countries exporting goods to India. The discussions also explained how insistence on specific standards by importers was due to commercial considerations and not because of any Government requirement.
Higher investment also increased her adult (65 percent), male (75 percent) and female (53 percent) literacy rates leaving Pakistan to trail at a mere 60 percent in adult and an appalling 40 percent in female population.
goats.saip wrote:So what am I missing?
shiv wrote:Don't know if you are the original author of these words, or whether Karnad said them, but it has lit up an intensely bright pisko-light in my mind. I had a sort of sense about it but did not have the words to express it so aptly. Thank you.V_Raman wrote: India thinks that Pak is a seperate sovereign country, but Pak thinks that they are a seperate electorate only.
V_Raman wrote:YIPji i did say that this was suggested in BRF already and as always, ahead of the curve. BK made this official.
Y I Patel wrote: I know exactly how the late Rodney Dangerfield felt. I get no respect.
This gives us two options. One is to tell them to stay in their stinking hole ("isolation"/quarantine a la NoKo) and the other is to "engage" them."Indians see Pakistan as a separate country. Pakistanis see themselves as a separate electorate within India"
Is Pakistan already a basket case, a country captured by militarized radicals and a radicalized military, and bent on self-destructive confrontation with India? Is North Korea-style containment the only answer to Pakistan’s propensity for the export of terrorism and nuclear proliferation? Or might engagement yet catalyze the resurgence of a decency that lurks, barely seen, behind Pakistan’s resentful façade and its tendency to blame others for all the ills that beset it?
That was a key topic of discussion at the think tank conference that I attended in Stockholm over the weekend. Opinion was near unanimous that engagement had to continue. This is hard to dispute; the Pakistani state cannot be allowed to shoot itself in the head because the region will then have to deal with an unusually large and toxic corpse.
saip wrote:VIEW: Playing more matches against India —Elf HabibLinkHigher investment also increased her adult (65 percent), male (75 percent) and female (53 percent) literacy rates leaving Pakistan to trail at a mere 60 percent in adult and an appalling 40 percent in female population.
I am always puzzled by these madrassa stats. Now if Pakis have 60% adult literacy and their female literacy is 40%, does it not make their male literacy about 80% (above India's at only 75%)? So what am I missing?
brilliant!!!pgbhat wrote:goats.saip wrote:So what am I missing?
pgbhat wrote:goats.saip wrote:So what am I missing?
Suspected U.S. Missiles Kill 7 Militants in Pakistan
it is 7 now.
Xun Wang, a former managing director of PPG Paints Trading Co. of Shanghai, admitted her guilt Tuesday before a federal judge in Washington. She also reached a $200,000 settlement with the Commerce Department and agreed to cooperate with investigators.
PPG Paints Trading also pleaded guilty in December. The company and its parent, Pittsburgh-based PPG Industries Inc., paid nearly $4 million in fines and restitution.
Wang, a Chinese citizen and lawful U.S. permanent resident, was accused of conspiring to send high-performance epoxy coatings to the Chashma II nuclear reactor run by the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission. She admitted helping send three shipments of the coatings from the United States to Pakistan through a third-party distributor in China without the required license from the Commerce Department.
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Special Operations Command is calling a former Navy SEAL's book bogus over its claims to describe the “real” version of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
“It's just not true,” command spokesman Col. Tim Nye said. “It's not how it happened.”
Pfarrer's account broke into Amazon's Top 20 book-sales list last week, and Pfarrer has appeared on Fox News, CNN and elsewhere promoting it.
I am not sure about “empty”.A_Gupta wrote:Excellent!arun wrote:
The Bangladeshi Newspaper “Financial Express” is reporting that Bangladesh has no intention of backing down at the WTO and agreeing to the EU’s request of providing a waiver that would permit tariff concessions for select products exported by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to the EU:
BD unlikely to backtrack from stance
So effectively, empty concessions exchanged between India and Pakistan.In late September this year, India announced its withdrawal of the objection that it had earlier raised to the WTO in this connection. Following that development, Pakistan gave the Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status to India.
. :Shah Mehmood Qureshi, a former stalwart within President Asif Ali Zardari's Pakistan People's Party, announced his departure from the party and his resignation as one of its lawmakers. Qureshi, 55, has strong backing in the southern districts of Punjab, Pakistan's wealthiest and most populous province, and in rural parts of Sindh province, both areas where Imran Khan is weak. Qureshi said he would announce his new party affiliation Nov. 27 during a visit to the town of Ghotki in Sindh province.
So all this while we have beenpgbhat wrote:Woman pleads guilty in illegal export to PakistanXun Wang, a former managing director of PPG Paints Trading Co. of Shanghai, admitted her guilt Tuesday before a federal judge in Washington. She also reached a $200,000 settlement with the Commerce Department and agreed to cooperate with investigators.
Wang, a Chinese citizen and lawful U.S. permanent resident, was accused of conspiring to send high-performance epoxy coatings to the Chashma II nuclear reactor run by the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission. She admitted helping send three shipments of the coatings from the United States to Pakistan through a third-party distributor in China without the required license from the Commerce Department.
that Pakis are only good at paint jobs. It turns out we were being too charitable 
. Even for paint job they need tarrel than mountain fliend It is called 'going more than half the distance' to smoke the peace pipe. Until the early 60s, India and Pakistan were heavily involved with each other and yet nothing prevented the Pakistanis from engaging India with a 'secret jihad' since 1947. That secret jihad became an open one in later years. Until 1965, travel between the two countries was easier and trade was smooth though not much (for various reasons other than political). India had transit trade with Afghanistan through Pakistan and so were West and East Pakistan through India. Each country's newspapers & magazines were freely available in the other country. All these did not prevent Pakistan from launching the twin 1965 wars, subsequent wars, skirmishes, terrorism, support for insurgencies in India, trying to harm Indian interests internationally etc. Their enmity has today acquired a sophistication and crudeness, both at the same time. In the misguided, some say spineless, thinking that the long lost brothers can be made to see reason, we have always tried to travel more than half the distance every time and have endured even more pain than before. Pakistan today has gone beyond any redemption and the new PM-in-waiting, Imran Khan, will drive it deeper into extremism and will extend an open support to the jihadi cause while totally formalizing the jihadi-PA nexus. Even well-meaning Pakistanis, without giving up their hatred and enmity for India and thus appearing as patriots for the Pakistani masses, cannot lift Pakistan out of its morass any more. For India to pretend that somehow it can contribute in that daunting task is the pinnacle of demonstrating our usual failing of not learning much from historical and current events.arun wrote:What Secretary Khullar does not reveal is why the Congress Party led UPA administration of our Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh saw it fit to surrender upfront on a legitimate right by acquiescing to the EU grant of tariff concessions to Pakistan which is even admitted by the EU as being a violation of WTO policy in return for a future Pakistani commitment to drop an illegitimate policy that prevents India enjoying its legitimate right of being granted MFN status under WTO rules which Pakistan has accepted
'MFN is our right under WTO'
Anujan wrote:Mushrraf Paki on NDTV has the gall to state that many in Pakistan hold Dawood Ibrahim in high regard.
What's new, he also thinks that every person in Pakistan holds him in high regard and that Pakistan is a SuperPower nation.Anujan wrote:Mushrraf Paki on NDTV has the gall to state that many in Pakistan hold Dawood Ibrahim in high regard.
The EU thing is a a one-time concession and ff India knew Bangladesh would veto it, it is not a concession in reality.arun wrote:
I am not sure about “empty”.
India has surrendered upfront on a legitimate right by acquiescing to the EU grant of tariff concessions to Pakistan which is even admitted by the EU as being a violation of WTO policy in return for a future Pakistani commitment to drop an illegitimate policy that prevents India enjoying its legitimate right of being granted MFN status under WTO rules which Pakistan has accepted
No Ivanev. There is a difference. This comment of Musharraf is about another person who is not even a Pakistani. An international terrorist, a 'foreign narcotics Kingpin', an Indian who is wanted in India for major crimes and who has taken abode in Pakistan under the protection of the ISI. He also happens to be the fourth most-wanted terrorist in the world today. We all know that the ISI officers and politicians attend parties and weddings in Dawood's house, but this is the first time, IMHO, that a Pakistani leader and an ex-President as well as COAS has said openly that many in Pakistan support Dawood Ibrahim Keskar. Mr. Keskar is not like Professor Hafiz Sayeed saheb who at least has some charities running, provides assistance during natural calamities. There is at least therefore a Pakistani reason for not taking action against professor saheb. Dawood does nothing of that charitable sort. The rentier state of Pakistan collects rent from Dawood by using him against India for conducting terrorism. Dawood has graduated into an international migraine and everybody knows exactly where he lives and what he does. And, Musharraf claims that 'many in Pakistan admire him' ? Admire him for what ? Terrorism and drug running ? Needling India from his safe house in Karachi & Islamabad ? That is the distinction of these comments.Ivanev wrote:What's new, he also thinks that every person in Pakistan holds him in high regard and that Pakistan is a SuperPower nation.Anujan wrote:Mushrraf Paki on NDTV has the gall to state that many in Pakistan hold Dawood Ibrahim in high regard.
First of all I don't understand why jobless ex rulers of Pakistan facing arrest on return to Pakistan are being given a platform by our media for their propaganda. Secondly, it is really frustrating when such statements are not challenged by our media stars. They don't show the same passion they show on TV when Ram sene attacks pubs or Raj Thackeray issues an idiotic statement. Notice how Barkha Dutt was all smiling making Musharraf comfortable enough to get away with lies.Anujan wrote:Mushrraf Paki on NDTV has the gall to state that many in Pakistan hold Dawood Ibrahim in high regard.
Even more important a General in charge of Army committing which committed war crimes on Indian soldiers is strutting around and pissing on us in our Media and capital.- We Indians are asking for punishment.partha wrote:First of all I don't understand why jobless ex rulers of Pakistan facing arrest on return to Pakistan are being given a platform by our media for their propaganda. Secondly, it is really frustrating when such statements are not challenged by our media stars. They don't show the same passion they show on TV when Ram sene attacks pubs or Raj Thackeray issues an idiotic statement. Notice how Barkha Dutt was all smiling making Musharraf comfortable enough to get away with lies.Anujan wrote:Mushrraf Paki on NDTV has the gall to state that many in Pakistan hold Dawood Ibrahim in high regard.