Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Nov 2011 10:30

Also it might have been a freudian slip. Mumbai serial blasts happened in 93. Much before the Godhra violence. The good Jernail was referring to a more recent "accident" perhaps?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2011 10:32

partha wrote:Notice how Barkha Dutt was all smiling making Musharraf comfortable enough to get away with lies.

partha, I understand your anguish. However, this time it was not a 'lie' that Musharraf peddled. For a change, he made a truthful statement about Dawood. May be, the rest of the NDTV interview was packed with his usual lies, I don't know.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 16 Nov 2011 10:35

^^^ I normally switch channels when I see Mush or Barkha appearing. Just an individual way of lowering ratings. FWIW!

partha · Post by **partha** » 16 Nov 2011 10:36

SSji,

The lies I was pointing to was that Dawood is responsible for crimes against Indians and the state of India since 1993 (bomb blasts) or before. Gujarat happened only in 2002. I am not challenging his statement that Pakis hold Dawood in high regard. I am not at all surprised by this.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 16 Nov 2011 10:38

While Hakim sahab has already posted an excerpt from Ajai Shukla's article on Pakistan, I'm taking the liberty to paste the article in full. I find the article to be very clear and precise without any rhetoric and clutter. It is to the point and amy provide an indication of how things are shaping in sub-continent. IMO, this gels in what SS was saying in one of his speech and may give an insight into what may be the thought process in GOI.

It also shows the clutter in the western mind and inspite of all the developments, why the west sticks to a particular strategy which we find nonsensical on BRF.

Link: http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2011/11/ ... ement.html

Is Pakistan already a basket case, a country captured by militarized radicals and a radicalized military, and bent on self-destructive confrontation with India? Is North Korea-style containment the only answer to Pakistan’s propensity for the export of terrorism and nuclear proliferation? Or might engagement yet catalyze the resurgence of a decency that lurks, barely seen, behind Pakistan’s resentful façade and its tendency to blame others for all the ills that beset it?

That was a key topic of discussion at the think tank conference that I attended in Stockholm over the weekend. Opinion was near unanimous that engagement had to continue. This is hard to dispute; the Pakistani state cannot be allowed to shoot itself in the head because the region will then have to deal with an unusually large and toxic corpse. What worried me, though, was the logic invoked by our western co-participants --- including serving officials of the US Department of State --- to justify continued engagement. Too much pressure on Pakistan would push it into China’s arms, said one. Another argued that America could not countenance a return to 2001, when a decade of sanctions had engendered such a wide divide that there was nobody in Islamabad who one could pick up the phone and talk to. Sanctions don’t work, said another, overlooking their vigorous implementation against nearby Iran.

These are hardly good reasons to continue engaging Pakistan. Had Washington had a phone number in the wake of 9/11, which it could dial for a cosy “Hi, Pervez” chat, Pakistan might not have supported Washington so vigorously in the crucial period that was to follow. What elicited Pakistani cooperation was the placing of an official call and Richard Armitage thundering down the line at General Pervez Musharraf that he had two choices: unconditional support, or the Stone Age again. Nor is the China analogy valid; Beijing is hardly sitting with open arms, one of them clutching a chequebook, waiting to sign the enormous cheques that America has been doing for decades.

Nor was there much clarity on the modalities for engaging Pakistan. It was left to a prominent Indian analyst (Sorry, no names, Chatham House Rules were invoked) to advocate a rational basis for engagement: the replacement of rhetoric about partnership, with a more coldly transactional approach. In this, every release of funds or assistance would be conditional upon Pakistan’s implementation of specific counter-terrorism measures or steps to bring down the levels of radicalization. A transactional approach would confirm the aam Pakistani’s worst apprehensions about American exploitation of Pakistan, but is really the only option.

Furthermore, the engagement of Pakistan, would have to be underpinned by a strong element of coercion for Islamabad to treat it seriously. But traditionally this coercive role has been arrogated to India. In multiple crises over preceding decades, Washington has held the Indian sword over Pakistan’s head, forcing Islamabad into desired actions through the threat of Indian military retaliation. Once US aims were achieved, pressure was mounted on New Delhi to avoid a crisis (usually phrased in apocalyptic terms like “nuclear Armageddon”).

This has hardly been useful for improving relations between India and Pakistan and it needs a major re-evaluation. Going by the Pakistani cabinet’s recent decision to liberalise trade with India, and the increasingly optimistic statements from New Delhi and Islamabad, it would appear that India-Pakistan relations today are significantly less chilly than a year ago. Even the signing of an India-Afghan strategic accord elicited no more than a mildly worded caution from Islamabad. It is not a coincidence that such a détente-of-sorts comes at a time when western powers, particularly America, have themselves taken to upbraiding Pakistan for its support to terror. With America now leading a global chorus painting Pakistan as a sponsor of terrorism, New Delhi for the first time has the luxury of restraint and behaving like the South Asian regional power that it has long aspired to be. Enhancing this extravagance is the visible upturn in India’s relations with long-estranged neighbours, notably Bangladesh and Myanmar.

New Delhi’s comfort levels are also rising by growing Indian capabilities in forestalling and reacting to terror attacks, a rising number of which are springing from India-based groups rather than those operating directly from Pakistan. And with violence levels in Kashmir also falling, India’s smile no longer comes through gritted teeth.

If the western powers, especially the US, believe that Pakistani insecurity from India lies at the root of its historical reliance on sub-conventional forces (terrorist and militant groups) and non-conventional power (nuclear weaponry) it can no longer leave the high-decibel highlighting of Pakistan’s follies to India alone. The new pattern of engaging Islamabad --- and there must be both engagement, and a new pattern --- cannot rest any longer on Indian outrage and western indifference. If the international community sees a problem, it must highlight it and deal with it without firing their guns from Indian shoulders.

After a decade of close US engagement of Pakistan, and the resulting crisis in their relations, it can be ventured that even India is better positioned to generate a positive influence in Pakistan. In the immediate future, India can plan to engage Pakistan through trade, through people to people contacts and eventually meaningful dialogue on the political issues that divide them. The west must prosecute its own engagement of Pakistan, with inbuilt incentives and disincentives for the outcomes and pitfalls that it envisages.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Nov 2011 10:44

One observation about Paki psyche. The most recalcitrant of them are urban Pakjabis who claim to be from Pindi or Isloo. The rest all are bluster. The above urban and urbane Pakjabis sholud be shunned.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 16 Nov 2011 11:13

Anujan wrote:The "Lets sell electricity to Pakistan" is gaining much momentum with technical representatives to meet from both sides very soon and work out the technical modalities for selling electricity.

Where is the electricity to sell when Industry in most of the India suffer from cut in electricity. Do we even have surplus electricity to sell ?
Is MMS going to extend one HT line from his house to Pakistan?
Do we have potential to generate surplus electricity and we are not doing it because state govts sell it for free hence limited generation ?

partha · Post by **partha** » 16 Nov 2011 11:25

Actually I am not sure we can apply the "we don't have surplus electricity to export" logic. The same can be said about food exports too. Better logic would be "we should not sell electricity to terrorist sponsors".

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2011 11:33

Balochistan team wins mock court competition

The subject was the vexed issue of Kashmir and every aspect of the dispute that has bogged the two countries down in hostility was looked at purely from a legal point of view. Issues that came up for discussion included rights of migrants, which of the two countries were on a right footing legally, the legality of the treaty of accession and whether the U.N. resolutions on Kashmir are binding.

Talking to The Hindu soon after crossing back into Pakistan along with his winning team of Ayesha Bibi, Asmatullah Kakar and Arbab Muhammad Amjad, University Law College Principal Adnan Kasi said, “Among the suggestions that emerged at the end of the two-day moot court were amending the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act and Article 370, and having a dialogue that involves representatives of the Kashmiri people brought to the negotiating table through an election held under the watch of the international community.'' {India must do everything including shooting itself to death}

The team from Balochistan was one of the five Pakistani teams that participated in the moot court; the other four representing the International Islamic University (Islamabad), the Lahore University of Management Sciences, the Shahid Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Institute of Science and Technology (Karachi), and the University of Azad Jammu and Kashmir (Muzaffarabad).

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 16 Nov 2011 11:36

partha wrote:Actually I am not sure we can apply the "we don't have surplus electricity to export" logic. The same can be said about food exports too. Better logic would be "we should not sell electricity to terrorist sponsors".

No Sir, The merits of selling comes later. First I want to know if we have any electricity to sell. I remember till last year, Pakis were trying to sell electricity to India and now in 2 years we are proposing sale of electricity to TSP.
This all is so confusing...

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Nov 2011 11:52

With America now leading a global chorus painting Pakistan as a sponsor of terrorism, New Delhi for the first time has the luxury of restraint and behaving like the South Asian regional power that it has long aspired to be.

Ironically India is doing exactly the opposite. If India wanted to behave like a Just power. Not just a regional power that it already is. It would be harping consistently on the following points and demanding systemic correction in Pakistan of the following, at the minimum for the last 2 decades:

1. Bringing the PA/ISI constitutionally under civvie control.
2. Bringing the perpetrators of 1993 blasts to the dock.
3. Bringing the perpetrators of 2008 Mumbai to the dock.
4. Bringing the FICN racket targeting India to an end.
5. Trying the perpetrators of Lt Saurabh Kalia and others for war crimes.

There has been zilch movement in Pakistan on any of the following. India doesn't need to send dossiers for Pakistan to take corrective action. Some of the action Pakistan need take on the above may not have been possible without blow back on them. But a symbolic gesture would have gone a long way. Not allowing DI into the country for one. Court martialing and imprisonment for the men who did what they did to Lt Kalia and team if not execution. IF not justice it would have signaled intent for change. And intent is an easy one to gauge. But we did not. Neither we gave achievable goals where paki's could demonstrate at the minimum intent to change, neither we pursued them fully. What we did intermittently to everyone's amusement was do Pappi Jhappi. The moment one does that it destroys the entire edifice of credibility of that of a Just power standing for it's legitimate interests.

Doing a Pappi Jahappi at a time when the world is realizing Pakistan is a rogue state and India was right all along..is the worst sort of statement one can make. Particularly so when Paki's have done nothing to correct anything at all.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2011 11:59

harbans wrote:Doing a Pappi Jahappi at a time when the world is realizing Pakistan is a rogue state and India was right all along..is the worst sort of statement one can make. Particularly so when Paki's have done nothing to correct anything at all.

India always gives a lifeline to Pakistan in the false hope that a grateful Pakistan(i) would mend the relationship and stop terror attacks.

member_20038 · Post by **member_20038** » 16 Nov 2011 12:00

WRT Mushrador

I watched excerpts of the interview, Mushrador said that Pakistanis hold Dawood in high regard because of what he did in retaliation for "Gujarat" and Padmabhushan superstar TV personality BD let that pass.
I think BD will get a plush position in NAC alongside Horse Manure and other Fai Foundationwalas

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Nov 2011 12:01

Veerendran wrote:WRT Mushrador

I watched excerpts of the interview, Mushrador said that Pakistanis hold Dawood in high regard because of what he did in retaliation for "Gujarat" and Padmabhushan superstar TV personality BD let that pass.
I think BD will get a plush position in NAC alongside Horse Manure and other Fai Foundationwalas

Why are these openly Anti-Indian paki supporters given such High positions of power in this establishment. Can anyone explain?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2011 12:05

Aditya_V wrote:Why are these openly Anti-Indian paki supporters given such High positions of power in this establishment. Can anyone explain?

Yes, I can. Because, they are secular while others who find fault with them are communal.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Nov 2011 12:09

ramana wrote:One observation about Paki psyche. The most recalcitrant of them are urban Pakjabis who claim to be from Pindi or Isloo. The rest all are bluster. The above urban and urbane Pakjabis sholud be shunned.

Or maybe it is a pre-emptive bluster, lest we ask him "Didnt we kick your musharraf on Kargil?" Being a general and all, that must have *really* hurt!

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 16 Nov 2011 12:10

the only way pak will feel secure is when they feel that india no longer threatens their territory. that is their primary fear. their objections to indian presence in afg is due to that. this is the effect of 1971. pre that, we had wars (a.k.a communal riots with tanks). but we had access and they had access.

pak is a special state of india -- no territory splitting nor such a threat -- it is not UP or bihar. it is just like kashmir, except that it has its own military. it is a buffer state. so let it have its military. from that POV pak/nepal are same. nepal has its military and has indian security cover. we should reach such an agreement with pak.

it will be a true return to gandhara.

btw, why does BK sound so WASPish (warts and all...)? is all indian elite like that? this is the first time i am hearing someone. i was actually irritated at the end of his talk. so much self-boasting and almost a dismissive tone.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Nov 2011 12:11

SSridhar wrote:The subject was the vexed issue of Kashmir and every aspect of the dispute that has bogged the two countries down in hostility was looked at purely from a legal point of view.

Then surely the participants recognized that it is a tri-lateral affair between Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (East Pakistan)

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 16 Nov 2011 12:12

There was once an unditv wala who ripped mushraff a new mushraff.

But his day seems to be long over.

partha · Post by **partha** » 16 Nov 2011 12:24

I remember one interview in Indian media of Musharraf where he was challenged. Interview by Mahroof Raza.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svI9sHgu ... ure=fvwrel

Watch from 1:10. Watch Musharraf's face how he gets stumped! Watch the whole thing. It's a good interview.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 16 Nov 2011 12:54

Aditya_V wrote:
Veerendran wrote:WRT Mushrador

I watched excerpts of the interview, Mushrador said that Pakistanis hold Dawood in high regard because of what he did in retaliation for "Gujarat" and Padmabhushan superstar TV personality BD let that pass.
I think BD will get a plush position in NAC alongside Horse Manure and other Fai Foundationwalas
Why are these openly Anti-Indian paki supporters given such High positions of power in this establishment. Can anyone explain?

And why are persons like B.Raman encouraging said Padmabhushan star?
I really do not understand this at all. Forget BD, she is like a little yelping dog which keeps looking up and barking to seek attention.
But folks like B.Raman are the ones which perplex me.

Where is the moral compass for these folks? What about the INDIAN mothers who lost their sons and the wives who lost their husbands due to terror from TSP.
Where do the loyalties for these "strategists" lie? The folks in question owe their allegiance first to India and its citizens. I could go on and on about this but here is a simple question that I ask instead. Mind you it is a very simple question.

Where is justice for blast victims of 1993?

Folks like B.Raman and Bharat Karnad would do well to remember that justice it yet to dawn. And these folks have been advising GoI for decades. If these elites can answer this simple question where the words "fail" 'delayed" "not easy" or "cannot" do not appear, then it is a valid answer. Else I find them to have horribly bad at their jobs and they have failed the INdian state and its people.

See, the people who lost their lives due to terror are the most vulnerable. It is the job of the state to protect them. They have failed to protect them and consistently at that since last 2 decades. So what gives? Can Bharat Karnad and B.Raman say their policies are a success?

I want to see them claim ONE piece of success wrt TSP because of their idead? One success where justice has been got for a terror victim? I dare them!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2011 12:55

Spreading the 'Southasian' bug

The Dixits, along with a mechanic and a driver for their backup vehicle, crossed into Pakistan on Friday after leaving their travel documents — passports included — at a roadside restaurant in Jallandhar. Having made friends all the way, one such friend of their son, Ilam, managed to get the message across to him through Facebook that the documents were in safe custody.

How could that have happened ?

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 16 Nov 2011 13:00

SS sir, simple answer onlee. Greenbuucks and an Affidavit...

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 16 Nov 2011 13:03

rohitvats wrote:While Hakim sahab has already posted an excerpt from Ajai Shukla's article on Pakistan, I'm taking the liberty to paste the article in full. I find the article to be very clear and precise without any rhetoric and clutter. It is to the point and amy provide an indication of how things are shaping in sub-continent. IMO, this gels in what SS was saying in one of his speech and may give an insight into what may be the thought process in GOI.

Rohit, all these are fine, engaging Pakistan, talking of peace etc etc, but has anyone asked the Pakis what they have in mind? Are they willing to talk peace or they would piss on the former? Are they really ready to mend their ways? All these talks are futile without a specific answer to these questions. They think they are better off training Yahoos and sending them to blow up the peace talkers rather than engaging in long term peace. They would always talk peace to save their butts and when you let them off, go back to their hell holes plotting and scheming how to get back in kind. How long can you talk to a person who has avowed silence?

Btw: I have reached my 72.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 16 Nov 2011 13:12

Drone Strike Kills 18

A salvo of missiles fired by U.S. drones destroyed a Pakistani Taliban base on Nov. 16, killing an estimated 18 militants in Pakistan’s tribal badlands on the Afghan border‚ officials said.

Up to 10 missiles slammed into the sprawling compound in the Baber Ghar area of South Waziristan‚ killing between 15 and 18 militants‚ most of whom were reported to be local Taliban fighters‚ the Pakistani security officials said.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 16 Nov 2011 13:14

US drone strike kills 18 in Pakistan

Adding some masala to it Capturing the Punjabi imagination: drones and “the noble savage” - Reuters Blog

It is true that the people of FATA do not tend to speak for themselves. But given the scale of bombings and assassinations, fear seems to be a more likely explanation than an inability to articulate their thoughts.

And it is also true that they are not even proper citizens. Rather they are subject to the Frontier Crimes Regulation – a draconian colonial-era law which makes them liable to collective punishment, and which is only slowly being reformed by the Pakistani government. The eventual abolition of the FCR, the incorporation of FATA into Pakistan, and other reforms meant to decentralise and accommodate Pakistan’s different ethnic groups, would arguably be far more effective in the long run in allowing the country’s Punjabi heartland to make peace with the Pashtun in the tribal areas, more even than ending drone strikes.

It means ummah is not closing all ethnic fissures effectively. Are there enough place in New Delhi for embassies (my condition would be that it must be bigger and sprawling than current Pakjab embassy) for Pasthunistan and Balochistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2011 14:15

We may have our own arguments for engaging with Pakistan, though I may disagree with all of them. But, the western reason for engagement that India must reduce the fear & insecurity of Pakistan and that would automatically normalize (or near-normalize) the situation in the region, is utter rubbish. This manufactured paranoia is a mask worn by Pakistan to hide its deepest desire which is destruction of India.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Nov 2011 14:24

Very True Sridhar Ji, Pakistan desires to bring back the Mughal rule in the form of Sharia in the subcontinent. IF people don't realize that then all is lost. There will always be puzzlement why Pakistan betrayed us, or 'oh they are feeling insecure' etc. These are bogus arguments that are made by people who don't have any sane justifiable arguments or rational left in the framework of how they view Pakistan or Islam for that matter. The desire to instill Sharia is genetically engraved within the doctrine. The Pakistan problem is not about economy, jobs etc. It's about righteousness, Dharma for us and religion for them.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 16 Nov 2011 15:54

SSridhar wrote:We may have our own arguments for engaging with Pakistan, though I may disagree with all of them. But, the western reason for engagement that India must reduce the fear & insecurity of Pakistan and that would automatically normalize (or near-normalize) the situation in the region, is utter rubbish. This manufactured paranoia is a mask worn by Pakistan to hide its deepest desire which is destruction of India.

When all else has failed as it has in the present case and time frame, these jokers are simply playing the victim card.

They seem to have willing allies in our own government to swallow the glib lies and old men with rugs taken up with young ladies.

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 16 Nov 2011 16:20

SSridhar wrote:We may have our own arguments for engaging with Pakistan, though I may disagree with all of them. But, the western reason for engagement that India must reduce the fear & insecurity of Pakistan and that would automatically normalize (or near-normalize) the situation in the region, is utter rubbish. This manufactured paranoia is a mask worn by Pakistan to hide its deepest desire which is destruction of India.

The forum moderator speaks with a thundering resonance and piercing coherence.

+1

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Nov 2011 16:23

Anujan wrote:Mushrraf Paki on NDTV has the gall to state that many in Pakistan hold Dawood Ibrahim in high regard.

"Gall" only from the Indian viewpoint because Indians think Musharraf is from a different country. Musharraf thinks he and Pakistan have followed the May 1946 Cabinet Mission plan of having a separate Muslim electorate in India. So Pakis imagine that they are that separate electorate sitting in a Muslim majority province of unpartitioned India dictating terms and making policies for India. Pakistani terrorism in India is the same as "communal riot" for them.

It all starts falling into place...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2011 16:27

While our PM, Commerce Minister & Commerce Secretary are jumping with joy and even speaking of a much more liberal PTA, Pakistan has said it will give MFN only by end of 2012.

In a clear signal of thaw in bilateral ties, Pakistan on Tuesday agreed to open its market for over 7,000 items from India in the next three months and promised to grant New Delhi the crucial MFN status by 2012 end.

We call it 'thaw' and accept Pakistani promises written on flowing water ?
And, more truths tumbling out . . .

“In the first stage, Pakistan will transition from the current PL approach to a Negative List...A small NL shall be finalised and ratified by February, 2012.

While on MFN, Pakistan Commerce Secretary Zafar Mahmood said that this was not ‘an award or degree', it would be granted when the two countries do away with any PL or NL.

This is expected before the end of 2012, as per the timeline set by the two sides.

If India has agreed to this timeline why is GoI jumping up and down with joy and claiming as though Pakistan has already awarded MFN to India ? Forget about past history. The way TSP has handled the 26/11 case (chronicled here in BRf), we cannot exude any optimism. In fact, we should be prepared for one more duplicity, fraud and double-speak. Pakistan's game plan is to use India to extricate itself from its economic woes but not offer much in return. And, have easy access to India to plan for more terrorist attacks (like DCH who came in on a business visa) and create more sleeper cells and thus indegenize terrorism and have a ringside view with injured innocence.

Addressing concerns of Pakistani businessmen {WTF ?}, the two sides agreed to work with their respective authorities for liberalisation of the visa regime before the end of December.

And, the carrot is

Once Pakistan widens the market access for about 7,000 Indian goods, India's exports to the neighbouring country would immediately leap frog to $7.5 billion. This is because the third country shipments being routed through Dubai would be directly shipped to the Pakistani markets.

A broad understanding was also reached on cooperation in power trading. The possibility of grid connectivity between Amritsar and Lahore for power trading up to 500 MW was discussed. A joint expert group will meet in this regard in the first week of December.

Another similar group for trade in petroleum products would hold its meeting in January, 2012.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 16 Nov 2011 16:52

What is difficult to understand is the reason why the present dispensation is so eager to make Piss with the Bakis. What is it that has to be done today it self and it cannot wait till tomorrow.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 16 Nov 2011 16:53

Dekho-no-money PM ki jai ho !!
Was he really a economist because when it comes to TSP, he does not even get the economy part of it.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 16 Nov 2011 17:12

Chooha Qureshi is playing to the anti-Unkil gallery.
I was pressured to grant immunity to Davis: Qureshi

MULTAN: Former foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Tuesday he had resigned from the position of foreign minister because he was forced by President Asif Ali Zardari to grant diplomatic immunity to US national Raymond Davis.

Talking to the media at the Multan airport, he said the Raymond Davis incident had taken place on January 27 and he had resigned on January 30 in the presence of President Zardari and Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani. About joining the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), he said he would announce his political plans at a rally in Ghotki on November 27.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 16 Nov 2011 17:15

Orakzai: 28 militants killed

KALAYA: Twenty eight militants were killed and 12 others sustained injuries when security forces targeted their hideouts in the Dabori area in the upper parts of Orakzai Agency with gunship helicopters, tanks and artillery guns on Tuesday, official sources said.

They said security forces launched an operation against the militants in their Dabori stronghold in the north of Orakzai Agency's headquarters, Kalaya, early in the morning and both sides exchanged heavy fire for hours. Security forces, backed by tanks and armoured vehicles, attacked militants' positions in Zakhtoon, Gandi Tal and Marghan area, killing 16 militants. Security forces also arrested 10 out of the 12 wounded militants, sources said. Official sources added that six hideouts used by the militants were dismantled during the action.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Nov 2011 17:19

I think MMS is trying to adopt Pakistani provinces especially Pakjab. From now on, India would be subsidizing Pakjab, and in fact taking over the governance of the province by providing all the services to the Pakjabi population and the Pakjabis would try to control themselves and not attack us.

Sounds like an abusive Ghar Jamai who makes the whole family work for his luxurious life.

Somehow MMS has thought, that the best way to survive a nuclear exchange with Pakistan is to become a golden goose for Pakistan, which Pakistan cannot afford to kill!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 16 Nov 2011 17:22

Pratyush wrote:What is difficult to understand is the reason why the present dispensation is so eager to make Piss with the Bakis. What is it that has to be done today it self and it cannot wait till tomorrow.

It's all pmo driven,no?

the kursi is uncertain, yuvraj is limbering up as we speak, nobel peace prize seems to be slowly slipping away along with guarantee of luminescent name in the history books.

A babu's wet dream of immortality so cruelly dashed?

Besotted with Pakistan

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s strange obsession with Pakistan has once again prompted him to slyly undermine India's national interest and rudely snub popular sentiments. Nothing else explains why he should have described Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani as a “man of peace”, that too at a time when the civilian establishment in Islamabad stands thoroughly discredited both at home and abroad for having abysmally failed to break free of the vice-like grip of the military establishment headquartered in Rawalpindi. That apart, there is not even a shred of evidence to suggest that Mr Singh was merely stating a fact after his meeting with Mr Gilani on the sidelines of last week’s SAARC Summit in Maldives. On the contrary, Mr Gilani has spared no occasion to pour abuse and scorn on India while refusing to concede even an inch to improve relations with our country. The loathsome manner in which he has had the move to grant Most Favoured Nation status to India shoved into cold storage after New Delhi pledged to increase bilateral trade in a manner that would benefit Islamabad by nearly $6 billion is only one example of Mr Gilani’s belligerent attitude towards this country. If the reciprocal gesture of goodwill was scuttled at the behest of Pakistan’s military-jihad complex, it only underscores the irrelevance of a man Mr Singh has chosen to praise so fulsomely.

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 16 Nov 2011 17:25

^^^

If what you say is true, then India has decided to soften its stance against TSP and harden against PRC. The dilemna GOI faces is how to increase its military strength against Chicom without giving the cold shoulder to TSP. So its all pappi jhappi only.

The good news for us jingos is that all the military progress against PRC can be redirected at TSP without TSP feeling threatened during the build-up. Some food for thought...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Nov 2011 18:37

Guys,

as much I could not even watch 1 second of that b!tch BD smoozing with the war crimninal about Dawood, but I think our outrage is misplaced. What Mush said about Dawood retaliating to Gujarat, has been said by many Indians, including from the highest levels of Indian govt & media in some shape or the other. Recently, that chutiya whose blog is posted on BBC web site Biswas whatever, pretty much said the same thing, namely, communal violence in India causes heartburn in TSP and hence terror against India is justified. It was an interesting faux paux from Mush, confusing Gujarat with Mumbai 93, but it reveals Mush's and Paki chutzpah in general, namely, we are the guardian of Muslim interests. DocJi has it right, but what he didn't give any insight into was, with this kind of a false narrative prevailing in both India & TSP, namely, TSP terror is justified because India's communal cauldron from time to time, how does India transcend this brazen falsehood hoisted on it and has a life of its own?