Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 26 Nov 2011 11:43

shiv wrote: Shaashtanga. In fact rage comes across as the statement of a napunsak, and when you go back to normality after that, your rant will be seen as the outer limit of your ability to react and can only be mocked. So when one is impotent, rage is the worst possible reaction.

Have you looked at the thread I started in the hijab-foreplay forum? When you take a population and convince them that they are the worst, the lowest and the least, impotent rage is about as far as they can go and the talk is "revenge revenge revenge" to a degree that is not practicable, and the inability to take that revenge is seen as further proof of napunsakness of th "worst, lowest and least" people of the world. That is where you are headed. No personal insult is intended.

kopam sheshena purayet... When someone is unable to react rationally, they cover it up by expressing rage. Perhaps, this comes under the category of 'impotent' rage.
There is another type of rage: Sri Rama is described as having mastered the ire and yet, we are also told that when His warrior wrath is provoked, even the Gods would tremble. This is an example of righteous and potent rage. More importantly, controlled rage used as a tool.
When the Draupadi was being insulted in the court of Dhritarashtra after the game of dice, Bhima was enraged. He talked of violent revenge to a degree that it seemed not practicable. He was, technically, a slave of Duryodhana and yet he talked of killing him and his brother. Those outbursts could be categorised as impotent rage. But 13 years later, Bhima fulfilled his vow.
So, the essential point is that if one can stay in control even when enraged and if one can carry out in deed one's enraged threats, then such an anger cannot be impotent. Such a person will be feared. Anger is deadly when it stops one from thinking.

If someone never feels angry, no matter what, then he must be a gyani or a very base man. A person must hold something dear enough to get enraged. Whether it is potent or impotent is determined by whether the person can carry out the threat...

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 26 Nov 2011 11:44

The News puts the toll in the NATO attack at 12

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.as ... t-kills-12

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 26 Nov 2011 12:01

devesh wrote:it's the phantom fear of Pakistan. the ever present bogey of "Pakistan's reaction" that the GoI likes to prop up as some giant force....

Apart from the new-clear threat, we are told that if India as much as moves a muscle, then all pakis will unite and stop fighting among themselves. Indians are asked whether they want to interrupt to paki descend into chaos. The solution, we are told, is for India to be a spectator and if possible do a lot of aman ki tamasha.
Last time the pak was divided, it did not happen without outside(specifically India's) help. So, pak will have to be put out of its misery.

habal · Post by **habal** » 26 Nov 2011 12:10

johneeG wrote: Apart from the new-clear threat, we are told that if India as much as moves a muscle, then all pakis will unite and stop fighting among themselves. Indians are asked whether they want to interrupt to paki descend into chaos. The solution, we are told, is for India to be a spectator and if possible do a lot of aman ki tamasha.

It's only now people are beginning to realize true nature of this game. Pakistan is just a bogey.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2011 12:16

From Such Gup - TFT

Our mole says many old war horses are making a bee-line for The Great Khan's party but that he is picking and choosing. One hopeful was another Khan, formely of Mush's party and further back in time of The Man of Steel's party. This Khan is famed for his great wealth, allegedly inherited from his father who was head honcho of the InvisibleSpooks Inc. in the Dark Decade of Tyrant Terry Thomas. Then, as in Mush's time, dollars were flowing in for the khakis and Pakistan was flush with weapons because we were America's "front line" state. The Great Khan has firmly rejected this other Khan's overture.

That head honcho is the famous Maj. Gen. Abdur Akhtar Rehman and the son is Humayun Akhtar Khan, ex PML-N.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Nov 2011 12:18

SSridhar wrote:This is big news, if correct.
Same as above, NATO helicopters attack Pakistani border checkpost killing 8 soldiers

News is correct and toll is 21 dead according to some.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 26 Nov 2011 12:20

SSridhar wrote:From Such Gup - TFT
Our mole says many old war horses are making a bee-line for The Great Khan's party but that he is picking and choosing. One hopeful was another Khan, formely of Mush's party and further back in time of The Man of Steel's party. This Khan is famed for his great wealth, allegedly inherited from his father who was head honcho of the InvisibleSpooks Inc. in the Dark Decade of Tyrant Terry Thomas. Then, as in Mush's time, dollars were flowing in for the khakis and Pakistan was flush with weapons because we were America's "front line" state. The Great Khan has firmly rejected this other Khan's overture.
That head honcho is the famous Maj. Gen. Abdur Akhtar Rehman and the son is Humayun Akhtar Khan, ex PML-N.

Sir for newbs like us who are not that well informed, could you please tell us why he is "famous"?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 26 Nov 2011 12:21

habal wrote:
johneeG wrote: Apart from the new-clear threat, we are told that if India as much as moves a muscle, then all pakis will unite and stop fighting among themselves. Indians are asked whether they want to interrupt to paki descend into chaos. The solution, we are told, is for India to be a spectator and if possible do a lot of aman ki tamasha.
It's only now people are beginning to realize true nature of this game. Pakistan is just a bogey.

Meaning a way to blackmail India into doing tamashas else pakis will descend into chaos?

Is there a connection except borders?

What makes India halt intervention? What stops Indians wall off borders so the ever chaotic pakis & pakistaniyat dont affect us?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Nov 2011 12:38

Governor of KP says toll could rise and includes 2 officers.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2011 12:38

Anujan wrote:
SSridhar wrote:This is big news, if correct.
Same as above, NATO helicopters attack Pakistani border checkpost killing 8 soldiers
News is correct and toll is 21 dead according to some.

In Sep. 2010, Pakistan shutdown Torkham and Chaman border-crossings after a NATO airstrike killed 3 soldiers in Khurram. The crossings remained closed for 11 days and the US apologized. With the restoration of Pakistani H&D, the border crossings were re-opened for normal traffic, bribery and looting. A few days after the Khurram incident, NATO airstrikes killed 55 suspected insurgents in North Waziristan. Fifteen days after the May 2 killing of OBL, there was a firefight between NATO helicopters and Pakistani forces injuring a few PA soldiers in North Waziristan. The PA soldiers fired at the NATO helicopters.

Now, let's see what Pakistan does and how the US reacts.

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 26 Nov 2011 12:42

8 dead Paki animals. It's not such a bad day after all.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Nov 2011 12:46

Apparently the helicopters struck before dawn. Wonder what shenanigans the Pakis were upto. Also pakis just stopped NATO routes as protest.

PTV says 25 dispatched and 14 wounded. This is a big one.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 26 Nov 2011 12:56

Meaning a way to blackmail India into doing tamashas else pakis will descend into chaos?

Is there a connection except borders?

What makes India halt intervention? What stops Indians wall off borders so the ever chaotic pakis & pakistaniyat dont affect us?

Pak will continue to eke out its existence, until and unless someone intervenes. One way to eke out existence is by inviting anyone and everyone to use them as pawn against India. So, erecting wall is not solution. Pakistan's existence is India's problem. So, India would have to devise a solution for that. But it seems our policy is to perpetuate status quo, in the hope that someday pakis will reform or pakis will fight among themselves and perish or some super-duper power will defeat the pakis and hand us the land on a platter.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2011 13:00

Anujan wrote:Apparently the helicopters struck before dawn.

If so, it was before the Pakistani terrorists launched any action. So, the attack was not in retaliation to anything, but pre-emptive.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Nov 2011 13:01

These are mere pinpricks on the hide of the terrorist monster state of Pak.The only medicine that will make it quake in its jackboots will be "manna from heaven" courtesy,B-52s.Om-Baba, we appreciate the attacks' exquisite timing,but are you listening?

SMK is afeared of even naming Pak! What a tragedy of an FM that we have.The mouse that roars (in silence) has picked his FM well.perhaps SMK is worried that if he names Pak,he might not get a future opportunity to taste some Lahori kebabs at the next round of totally useless "talks" (diplomatese for "feasts") with Pak.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 26 Nov 2011 13:03

Ah, the paki is in torment; it has lost control of events in large chunks, and even now does not know how much control it has over how much of the geography called paki asthan. So the paki is becoming more and more insecure in its own asthan. Of course India that is Bharat, can and should lend a helping hand in furthering this insecurity. The paki has already been stampeded into bringing in the PLA, but this move backfired. On one hand NATO/US saw the paki in its true form, sort of what Swaroopnakha looked like in the end, and on the other, the PLA just shook hands, took the paki's tin medals, and washed their hands off of any engagement with the paki against US/NATO forces. Now is a good time to arrange secret paki/Iran meetings. Unlike the prcees, Iranians are not known for their restraint. They might be desperate enough to covertly help the paki. After that, once NATO/US get the true picture, then finis for the paki.

pralay · Post by **pralay** » 26 Nov 2011 13:24

Anujan wrote:PTV says 25 dispatched and 14 wounded. This is a big one.

look here birather,
the DOWN also says so.
25 sent to meet their 72

Nato raid kills 25 Pakistan troops

“The latest attack by Nato forces on our post would have serious repercussions as they without any reason attacked on our post and killed soldiers asleep,” he said, requesting anonymity because he was not authorised to talk to the media.

the Nato has again violated Baki So-Varginity.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 26 Nov 2011 13:32

SSridhar wrote:
Anujan wrote:Apparently the helicopters struck before dawn.
If so, it was before the Pakistani terrorists launched any action. So, the attack was not in retaliation to anything, but pre-emptive.

So, does it mean that pakis were planning an attack? And so, the NATO was forced to do this?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2011 13:39

Has the [Memogate] storm passed ? - TFT

A source privy to the developments said Gen Pasha had persuaded army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani to meet President Asif Zardari and ask him to call Haqqani back to Pakistan. "The General was aggressive," he said, "after a long time." Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani also attended the meeting. The source said he looked "shocked".

In a press briefing by an intelligence agency, Husain Haqqani was viewed with suspicion. Asked if Haqqani would be arrested, officials said candidly: "We seriously hope he will be arrested and given a fair chance to prove his loyalty."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2011 13:46

What's in a name ? - TFT Article

y own feeling is that in the Great Divorce of '47, they got the name and we got the summer home. There is so much in a name. I remember seeing the "Incredible India!" campaign when it was plastered over Times Square in New York City and thinking to myself "very cool" followed immediately by "but hai vaisay ...!" I felt India's very name was excluding us from a shared history. It's like we were the same country and Partition happened and we became Pakistan and they remained India, which is to say that we were the ones who got distorted. With a name we lost a claim to thousands of years of history. I'm amazed we didn't fight to keep it. 'Indian' miniatures, 'Indian' architecture, 'Indian' food - all of these we claim to have, all of these we claim to own, and yet, at some level, because of the name, we can't.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 26 Nov 2011 13:48

It is just turned 11/26 in my neck of the woods, so it was a bit soothing to see the news of my tax money being put to some good use in KP.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 26 Nov 2011 14:06

With a name we lost a claim to thousands of years of history. I'm amazed we didn't fight to keep it. 'Indian' miniatures, 'Indian' architecture, 'Indian' food - all of these we claim to have, all of these we claim to own, and yet, at some level, because of the name, we can't.

But the pakis can claim to have pure miniatures, pure architecture and pure food along with pure Islam.

India is a kafir name onlee.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2011 14:25

RSoami wrote:But the pakis can claim to have pure miniatures, pure architecture and pure food along with pure Islam.
India is a kafir name onlee.

The author of that 'name' article is incorrect in one aspect, among others. Jinnah fought for the 'India' name. He argued that 'India' was derived from 'Indus' and the Indus mostly flowed within Pakistan and 'India' rightly belonged to them. But, I think that such usurpation was too much even for the British.

What Jinnah conveniently forgot was 'Indus' itself derived from what is so reverentially referred to as 'Sindhu' in the Vedas and mythology millennia back.

When history begins only at 712 A.D., why do such things matter anyway ?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Nov 2011 14:27

Death toll in NATO shelling on Pakistani post rises to 28
http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=39402&CID=1

28 Pakistani troops, including two senior officers, embraced martyrdom. More than 50 security personnel were stationed at Salala post at the time of attack.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2011 14:34

shravan wrote:. . . embraced martyrdom.

martyrdom ? Manuredom, I would say.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 26 Nov 2011 14:35

NATO troops are celebrating thanks giving..they are letting pakis know what they been thankful for

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 26 Nov 2011 14:53

amdavadi wrote:NATO troops are celebrating thanks giving..they are letting pakis know what they been thankful for

The yanquis have given them another national bird as thanksgiving. Earlier it was drona, now the Helo. Hopefully next one will be the B2.

We should refer to this strike as the "turkey Shoot". Gobble...gobble...

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Nov 2011 14:56

pak now has stopped NATO supply route.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Nov 2011 15:04

sameer_shelavale wrote:
Nato raid kills 25 Pakistan troops
“The latest attack by Nato forces on our post would have serious repercussions as they without any reason attacked on our post and killed soldiers asleep,” he said, requesting anonymity

Why were they asleep when NATO helos attacked? If it was night time and the were asleep how does anyone know they were NATO helos? Pakistan fans want to know..

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 26 Nov 2011 15:05

This one is bheri complicated.
The brave Mujahids were sleeping early morning when the cowardly Nato christians fired their christian missiles and the brave mujahids achieved martyrdom in sleep, with allah in their heart.

Alternatively if early morning was bending namaaz time and these mujahids were sleeping then they bhere not pure and were beghairat muslims and therefore punished by allah.

Will they get their 72 in that case or stribes for not having allah in heart but sleep in eyes??

M confujjed.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 26 Nov 2011 15:07

VikramS wrote:It is just turned 11/26 in my neck of the woods, so it was a bit soothing to see the news of my tax money being put to some good use in KP.

Could not be said any better. Long ago, I spent a few months religiously reading the mush that is published in the TFT. The paki's people are pakis. This half wit has no idea about his own so called country. TFT is a meeting place for gullable Indians who love this mush. "Delhi is so much like Lahore?" The only way Lahore will be comparable to Delhi is if it is given back to the people from whom it was stolen by crazed pakis hell bent to kill, maim, rape, loot and any other means to terrorize and move the city's population to India, dead or alive. This jack ass does not know that the paki founder, dJinnha had insisted that "India" no longer be used as the name of India, but that the sucessor countries be named "paki stan" and "Hindustan". The paki dJinnha actually went to the viceroy,with a leagal brief insisting that Mountbatten do this name change for India - because Indians did not deserve to inherit solely for themselves the term Indians! This crackpot was the "most brillant, the most intellectual, most et cetera" among the half witted sheep that he led into "freedom". So, no, I would stop this surface sanitized paki from entering India again. As some education for this creep, Know that there were two cities in Punjab, very close to the radcliff line and to the west of it, and not far from each other. These were the cities built by Shri bhagvan Ramchandra's twin sons, Lava and Kush, and were originally named Lavapura and Kushpura, now known as Lahore and Kasur.The first was founded near the river Raavi, and the second close to the river Sutlej (Satudri). At one time, these were both of comparable size, but Lahore being of greater strategic important to the barbaric mussalmans who came to plunder, rape and enslave, it became very large, while Kasur remains the small town that it was. Now this imbicile can write about all this history, the entire Ramayna, has been lost to the paki. Oh, also as fair warning, he should change to a sunni name and religion, or die as a heratic.

partha · Post by **partha** » 26 Nov 2011 15:11

sameer_shelavale wrote:
Anujan wrote:PTV says 25 dispatched and 14 wounded. This is a big one.
look here birather,
the DOWN also says so.
25 sent to meet their 72
Nato raid kills 25 Pakistan troops
“The latest attack by Nato forces on our post would have serious repercussions as they without any reason attacked on our post and killed soldiers asleep,” he said, requesting anonymity because he was not authorised to talk to the media.
the Nato has again violated Baki So-Varginity.

That too on the anniversary of 26/11. This is adding insult to injury.
But wait, 26/11 planned by non state actors on a boat in international waters.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Nov 2011 15:12

apparently pakis have sent another memo as a strong protest

25 security men martyred in NATO helicopters firing

Pakistan has also issued a strong worded memo to the U.S. State Department on this count while NATO has said the matter is being investigated

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 26 Nov 2011 15:19

shiv wrote:
Why were they asleep when NATO helos attacked? If it was night time and the were asleep how does anyone know they were NATO helos? Pakistan fans want to know..

maybe the sleeping pakis were just having nightmare of NATO attack and died of heart attack...there was no NATO attack in reality...

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 26 Nov 2011 15:23

rajanb,

Re:

We should refer to this strike as the "turkey Shoot". Gobble...gobble...

Oh but the paki would love that, as turkey is already such advanced mussalman country, and alredy in the back pocket of the great Ameer Khan.

On a more sober note, it is heartening to see the paki start climbing the escallation ladder, so fast and so soon. I am sure the previous day(thursday's) kiya nahi meeting is probably the direct cause of this. In that meeting the paki was probably warned to correct the behavior of the paki armymen at that border crossing. This a border post. What were all these troops and officers of the PA doing there? Therefore the premptive strike, imo.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Nov 2011 15:35

why the hell paki mards are not retaliating? This is another violation of paki virginity. I am in full support of TSPA if they decide to cross the border and retaliate in true mard fashion.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Nov 2011 15:40

SSridhar wrote:
Anujan wrote:Apparently the helicopters struck before dawn.
If so, it was before the Pakistani terrorists launched any action. So, the attack was not in retaliation to anything, but pre-emptive.

whether NATO apologizes this time is interesting to watch.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 26 Nov 2011 16:08

Something is strange here. Why there is a huge concentration of troop including senior officers in a check post. Probably they came send off a mujaheddin contingent towards Afgan (probably with some dirty material). Getting intel off if, NATO retaliated openly and blatantly (knowing Pak-US relations are not cordial) . Aftermath there seems to be no news of senior PA official visiting the spot and condoling the remaining barbarians. Probably, the clarity will emerge once the dust settles.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 26 Nov 2011 16:21

Wow...look like the real war on terror is starting finally..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45442885/ns ... tDECGOih2c

now the toll is 28 sent to their 72..

Pakbaric animal reaction would be hysteric but I am more concerned about reaction from Beijing puppet mass murderers and rapist goons in India and their yellow cabal..there would be calls to condemn this and standby TSPA and their jehadi terrorist piglets. Hope MMS would stand firm and reject such stupid calls.

TSPA should be nuked by India and Unkil in joint project..that is the only way to rid world of terror...and restore Islam to its true status as ROP.

chiragAS · Post by **chiragAS** » 26 Nov 2011 16:35

Saturday morning's attack came only hours after General John Allen, Nato coalition's commander in Af had met General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, head of Pakistan's army, to discuss how to avoid more border clashes.