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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 07 Dec 2011 08:39

wow - most aew incl the chini y8 have a line of blade antennas on the fuselage spine. but ours are more longer and on the tail...

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby karan_mc » 07 Dec 2011 09:04

DRDO EMB 145I AEW&C Successfully completes first flight

Embraer performed the maiden flight, today, of the first of three EMB 145 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) aircraft ordered by the Indian government. The flight was well performed and all planned tests were successfully achieved. It tooked place at Embraer’s headquarters, in São José do Campos.


:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Boreas » 07 Dec 2011 09:21

its a mean looking bird.. Bravo :D

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby sum » 07 Dec 2011 09:30

^^ Holy moly...is there any inch on that beast which isnt bristling with antennas?

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby karan_mc » 07 Dec 2011 09:41

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Rupesh » 07 Dec 2011 09:42

Akphyrrrr.. :D
need to order a few more!

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby suryag » 07 Dec 2011 10:10

what is hindi word for porcupine ?

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 07 Dec 2011 10:12

I hope they keep the black colour for the composite casings and not paint it dull grey, looks way cooler...and literally black ops .... looks like maws/rwr? under each wing and one on the big underfin below the tail...

what is that black rectangular panel on the side for?

good job by Embraer on making all the mods ... I knew they would deliver..good set of chaps.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Juggi G » 07 Dec 2011 10:24

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Nihat » 07 Dec 2011 10:50

Looks amazing !!!

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby bmallick » 07 Dec 2011 10:55

Wow.....Kodus to DRDO and Embraer.

Question: Currently the aircraft is using a dummy antennae on its back or the one made by DRDO has been integrated. What I had heard last was that DRDO has delivered a dummy antennae unit to be put on the aircraft by Embraer, using which they would do testing and then deliver the aircraft to India. DRDO would then do the actual antennae integration.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 07 Dec 2011 10:57

some pics of the Ereyie to compare with (greek af)
http://www.haf.gr/media/EMB145_03.JPG
http://www.haf.gr/media/EMB145_04.JPG
http://www.haf.gr/media/EMB145_05.JPG

similar looking placement of the maws/rwr under wings and on underfins below tail, the extra tall antenna on tail, the side looking "box" thing on main fuselage...

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 07 Dec 2011 10:58

^ yes bmallick, it would be carrying ballast weight to simulate the mission payload during flight envelope testing now. mission eqpt will be integrated in India only - could take 2-3 yrs to install and test all that here...esp if something is not yet tested on CABS older a/c like the main radar for instance.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby suryag » 07 Dec 2011 11:02

How sweet ... some kind of a distraction for jingoes waiting for desi maal like Tejas LSP7/NP1

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 07 Dec 2011 11:02

Hmm aldready Painted IAF and not DRDO??.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 07 Dec 2011 11:04

I am in love.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby negi » 07 Dec 2011 11:06

Wow look at the tail plane. :wink:

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby suryag » 07 Dec 2011 11:10

It would have been more fun had the picture been blurred and taken from behind shrubs

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby SagarAg » 07 Dec 2011 11:15

Congrats to DRDO for the awesome achievement :D
I am looking at the picture like for the last 10 minutes. I don't know why. :rotfl:

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 07 Dec 2011 11:17

suryag wrote:It would have been more fun had the picture been blurred and taken from behind shrubs

:lol: :twisted: :mrgreen:


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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 07 Dec 2011 11:59

the big black side looking boxes are "interferometer arrays"
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/T ... 754271.jpg

the ereyie does not have it.

http://www.ausairpower.net/E-3C-AWACS-USAF-2007-1S.jpg
http://www.ausairpower.net/E-3C-AWACS-USAF-2007-2S.jpg
A US Air Force E-3C AWACS visiting Australia in 2007. The recently installed AN/AYR-1 ESM arrays are prominent, with beam and aft fairings visible. It uses a dual baseline interferometry scheme for precision DF.

looks like its not a side looking array or a SAR but some kind of DF eqpt...perhaps a 2ndary ELINT function to locate hostile emitters for jamming or pass on co-ordinates to ARM shooters.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby P Chitkara » 07 Dec 2011 12:05

Was DRDO involved in suggesting the mods to the airframe or was it done by Embraer themselves on the requirements given to them?

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 07 Dec 2011 12:12

some details on the side bulge's ESM function from a similar system:

USAF and NATO E-3s are being fitted with the AN/AYR-1 passive sensor system, which can locate fighter radars 550 km away. This takes the form of a 3.96m canoe-shaped bulge on each side of the aircraft's forward fuselage, supplemented by pairs of smaller bulges on the nose and tail. The first NATO aircraft fitted with this equipment, LX-N90442, returned to Geilenkirchen in October 1991.

In October 1995 the first USAF aircraft was fitted with the AYR-1 as part of the Block 30/35 upgrade. The remaining aircraft are being retrofitted at Oklahoma City ALC by 2001. Aircraft weight is increased by 862kg. French E-3Fs will also receive the equipment.

The RAF's E-3Ds were specified with Loral Yellowgate ESM which performs a similar function. The sensors for this system are housed in wingtip pods. In April 1999 Racal-Thorn Defence was awarded a contract worth about £5m to upgrade Yellowgate. These improvements will enhance the aircrew's threat warning and surveillance data, as well as reducing the system's weight and increasing its reliability.

French Air Force E-3Fs are also fitted with ESM equipment.

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The Boeing Defense, Space and Security AN/AYR-1 is designed passively to intercept, identify and analyse radar and communications band transmissions. As fitted to the E-3, the AYR-1 utilises nose, beam and rear-facing antennas and is noted as adding some 855 kg to the weight of the Sentry mission suite. Jane's sources suggest that AN/AYR-1 is based on the one time Boeing subsidiary ARGOSystems' AR-1080 precision ES equipment. Here, AR-1080 is described as having incorporated fast-tuning synthesisers and multiple baseline interferometer technology. For its part, AYR-1 is claimed to offer direction-finding accuracies measured in "tenths of a degree" and is installed aboard French E-3F, NATO E-3A and USAF E-3B/C aircraft. Production of the system was launched at Boeing's Corinth, Texas facility during 1995 with a Lot 1 production contract covering the supply of 24 systems for installation aboard US Air Force and NATO E-3 aircraft. As of 2007, Jane's sources were suggesting that the United States Air Force's E-3G upgrade programme would include an AN/AYR-1 ES system update. Here, potential improvements were said to include a radio frequency front-end redesign (to remove local oscillator leakage, increase producability/maintainability and improve resistance to co-site interference), the introduction of a multiple platform geolocation capability and enhanced specific emitter identification/sidelobe detection.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Badar » 07 Dec 2011 12:51

shiv wrote:
Singha wrote:MKI or any fighter radar is not the ideal for side sweeping large swathes of territory and keeping it under observation because it would need to point its nose. the side looking radar of proper platforms like E8 and Sentinel are what generates huge sweep areas and allows a racetrack path to keep it under constant watch. so using MKI is a non-starter,


How about this? :lol:
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Whats funnier is that this was a real project (based on the sea-flanker trainer instead of the fulcrum), but the exact same configuration, viz Su-28. If FSU hadn't imploded we would have likely seen sea flanker based AAR, LRMP/ASW, AEW, Recon and EW variants in addition to a2a, maritime strike and bomber versions on the Ulyanovsk and follow-ons.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Shrinivasan » 07 Dec 2011 13:16

^^^ The picture in the Embraer site is of high-Res and is a beauty... hope we do another dozen of these after the initial 3. We need a good # of these birds before we move on to larger airframes...

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 07 Dec 2011 13:25

our IG era NAM and CHOGM psychophants could not remotely have imagined this facet of 'south-south cooperation'

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Kersi D » 07 Dec 2011 14:01

Rupesh wrote:Akphyrrrr.. :D
need to order a few more!


Yeh dilaange more, many more many more NOT few more

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Ajatshatru » 07 Dec 2011 14:28

Indian aew bird first flight


Beauty, man, beauty. Would love to see at least a dozen more inducted soon....

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Suppiah » 07 Dec 2011 16:11

This is great news..missed it. No wonder Unca Singh did not want to bail out Kingfisher..time to pick up a few Embraers on the cheap in closing down sale..

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby PratikDas » 07 Dec 2011 18:02

She's a beauty. Thank you, Embraer and CABS.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Surya » 07 Dec 2011 18:55

The IAF should pay for all the crew to have their ...... frozen in ....... banks for future use. :eek:

As Rupak said we love Embraer

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby RamaY » 07 Dec 2011 19:03

suryag wrote:It would have been more fun had the picture been blurred and taken from behind shrubs

:lol:

BEAUTIFUL! Congratulations DRDO!

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby saptarishi » 07 Dec 2011 20:45

cabs ,drdo and embraer should be given the degree of MASTERS IN AESTHETICS. what a bird? :P
but it is to be seen how it performs in tests when the indigenous systems are integrated. many a times drdo delivers the goodies only to be rejected by armed forces. trishul missile failed, arjun mk1 wasn't giving satisfactory performances then the inordinate delays in tejas programme. after so many hardships i got an inkling that this time around drdo/ cabs guys might succeed in winning accolades from iaf.but still miles to go in indigenous AEW programme. this bird will just have a 240 degree coverage. in future drdo should build an aew with 360 degree coverage. anyways this is a big achievement. i hope other ambitious ventures like lca mk2,astra,maitri,nirbhay ,arjun mk2, amca, etc succeed, so that the armed forces get the weapons they require from our own 'military industrial complex', which is yet to be developed to its full strength.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby vasu_ray » 07 Dec 2011 21:21

would they be sending a tanker from here to test the inflight refueling system?
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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby Boreas » 07 Dec 2011 22:25

wish to see a day, when we will be activley marketing this bad boy for export markets.

It has TREMENDOUS export potential with most of the airforces in and around asia still lacking such equipment.

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby gnair » 08 Dec 2011 04:52

To all those that matter: I hope the EMB-145's come with Reverse Thrust. Please don't stinge on it, as you've got the option of with or without from Embraer.
On wet surface runways, with a little bit of gust, getting this airplane to a dead stop can be a pretty big challenge, especially if it's heavy. I speak from my personal experience, having worked with this airplane. If RWY length is above 8,000ft, then you have your margins or else, it's a different story. On the ramp, if SDRE and about 5.6 to 5.9 in ht., take a lot of caution walking across or under the wing. The wing strakes can get you a pretty bad gash that will require stitches. If you're taller, you'll tend to get hurt on the shoulder area, if you walk into it.
And from an operational perspective, if it's operated in a hot environment and gets into a colder region like up North, there can be glitches in the relay between the engine and instruments on the flt. deck. Nothing major but it'll still take 4 hours to rectify it and get it back on-line. Other than that, it's a great platform.
one last bit, if you're using the lav cart and doing a flush out of the tank..got to be taking caution on the hose and make sure it's fit snug into the grooves or else the whole ramp area would get sprayed/messed up!!

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

Postby venkat_r » 08 Dec 2011 05:25

saptarishi wrote:cabs ,drdo and embraer should be given the degree of MASTERS IN AESTHETICS. what a bird? :P
but it is to be seen how it performs in tests when the indigenous systems are integrated. many a times drdo delivers the goodies only to be rejected by armed forces. trishul missile failed, arjun mk1 wasn't giving satisfactory performances then the inordinate delays in tejas programme. after so many hardships i got an inkling that this time around drdo/ cabs guys might succeed in winning accolades from iaf.but still miles to go in indigenous AEW programme. this bird will just have a 240 degree coverage. in future drdo should build an aew with 360 degree coverage. anyways this is a big achievement. i hope other ambitious ventures like lca mk2,astra,maitri,nirbhay ,arjun mk2, amca, etc succeed, so that the armed forces get the weapons they require from our own 'military industrial complex', which is yet to be developed to its full strength.


:D

Congrats DRDO!

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Re: AEW&C News & Discussion

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