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Philip wrote:Tx Shyam,but won't a division of Iraq be resisted by the Shiites creating a crisis elsewhere?
Absolutely, its a pressure tactic to keep Maliki in check. This is one of the ways that GCC has Maliki by the balls.
Your analysis is ineresting in that you feel that Russia is beginning to support the Turks nevertheless, despite its traditional support for Syria.Is that becauise it sees an opportunity to further wean away the Turks from the EU/NATO,now that the Euro has gone kaput,along with its great ancient enemy Greece,and the Turks least intersted now in joning the EU!
Russia is with Syria and is providing life support to Asad. However, Russia is not going to get too involved - the most they'll do is secure their interests in Latakia - speak with the opposition. Not worried.

Exxon deal - I am quite involved with it. A lot happening. At the moment, my sources say US embassy are sort of siding with Maliki on the issue. I can't discuss any more as its market sensitive info.

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French SF are deployed in Syria as I had said.
France suspects Syria is behind bombing against French troops in Lebanon

[url]Report: Foreign Troops Begin to Spread Near the Villages of Al-Mafraq[/url]
Update 1: Today at 12:00 P.M. we contacted DOD Press Office via two voicemail messages and one e-mail asking for comment(s) on this story. As of 6:00 P.M. EST we have not heard back.

Update 2: Another journalist with a major mainstream media publication was told by his editors that there would be no coverage or follow up on these developments.



According to first-hand accounts and reports provided to Boiling Frogs Post by several sources in Jordan, during the last few hours foreign military groups, estimated at hundreds of individuals, began to spread near the villages of the north-Jordan city of "Al-Mafraq", which is adjacent to the Jordanian and Syrian border.

According to one Jordanian military officer who asked to remain anonymous, hundreds of soldiers who speak languages --other than Arabic were seen during the past two days in those areas moving back and forth in military vehicles between the King Hussein Air Base of al-Mafraq (10 km from the Syrian border), and the vicinity of Jordanian villages adjacent to the Syrian border, such as village Albaej (5 km from the border), the area around the dam of Sarhan, the villages of Zubaydiah and al-Nahdah adjacent to the Syrian border.

Another report received from our source in Amman identified an additional US-NATO Command Center in "al-Houshah,' a village near Mafraq.


Our Iraqi journalist source in London provided us with the following related information:

"Some of the US forces that left the Ain al-Assad Air base in Iraq last Thursday, did not come back to the USA or its base in Germany, but were transferred to Jordan during the evening hours."


The above information was further corroborated by our correspondent and advisor Nizar Nayouf who interviewed an employee in the London-based office of Royal Jordanian Airlines:

"At least one US aircraft carrying military personnel landed in the Prince Hassan Air base located about 100 km to the east of the city of Al-Mafraq."

Earlier last week, Jordanian news websites disclosed that "Western officials have requested the King to allow establishing an electronic spy station in the north of Jordan (near the Syrian border) in order to access the Syrian army and contact Syrian high-rank officers for convincing them to make a military coup or (at least) rebel against the regime".

Nizar Nayouf, BFP advisor and correspondent on Syria in London, had the following statement on Al-Mafraq:

"The al-Mafraq air base, which now includes Air Force Academy, was a starting point for "conspiratorial activities" by Jordan, The UK and Israel against Syria in the past, particularly in the 1960s. In September 1968, a Syrian commando Major, Salim Hatoom, who fled to Jordan with a number of officers after a failed coup attempt, established a camp from which he started a rebel military against the then left-wing government of Syria under president Nureddin al-Atassi and Salah Jadid. By the end of 1970s and early 1980s, the Syrian Islamic Brotherhood and their military wing "At-Taleeah al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah" (the Islamic Militant Vanguard) used the same base for its military struggle against president Hafez a-Assad regime, in which they were being trained by the Jordanian and Israeli intelligence agents, and cars were being bombed before they were sent to the streets of Syrian cities for the killing of innocents and undermining state facilities."

Mr. Nayouf went on to emphasize the irony of the situation:

"I guess history repeats itself but as farce"Last spring, that tens of Syrian soldiers, who fled to Jordan, were transferred to a camp west of the Jordanian city of "Salt", in which officers from Israeli military intelligence (AMAN) began the investigation with them under the supervision of the Jordanian military intelligence. This was to extract information from them on issues related to the development of the Syrian army, weapons and training, especially after 2006."

We contacted our expert sources on US media and intelligence-military and were told that the US media has been told not to report on this latest development until Tuesday, December 13. Boiling Frogs Post is the first news website to report on these latest developments.
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Monday December 12:
[1]Iranian Intelligence Minister Heidar Moslehi visited Riyadh with a large delegation and met Crown Prince Nayef.
[2]Secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council Saeed Jalili is in Moscow

Tuesday December 13:
[1]President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad received new Russian ambassador to Tehran Levan Jagaryan.
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shyamd ji, any idea what came of that NYC meeting between MMS and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Is a state visit in the pipeline?
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Afghanistan, O&G deals, Chabahar. There is a long standing invite to MMS to visit. He hasnt visited for obvious reasons.
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About the Exxon deal, the Kurds made an agreement with ISCI in 2005 that they would be allowed control over their own oil contracts. But Maliki then decided to use this issue in 2008 and 2009 to put himself on the map as an "Arab nationalist" and so backtracked on the deal because it would help him in popularity with nationalist voters, giving him advantage over other Shi'as. Now so many years later, there is still no agreement. Even though Maliki gave new reassurances in 2010 when Kurds approved him as PM, he decided afterwards just to postpone everything the Kurds wanted. So now the Kurds just want to go ahead with their contracts without his approval and Maliki is pissed off. Here's more crybaby stuff from his govt:

Iraq holds back on Exxon's Kurdish deal
MONTREAL - The Iraqi government announced on Wednesday that it will respect existing contracts with ExxonMobil Corp in the south of the country after the company signed new oil deals with the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) in the north. The political center in Baghdad considers such contracts with the KRG illegal.

The government has, however, excluded ExxonMobil from the next national round of licensing, according to reports by AK News, also known as Kurdistan News Agency. The next licensing round is due early next March.
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This guy has some serious following amongst officials.

Critique of Arab Reason
Mohammed Abed al-Jabri is without a doubt one of the most important contemporary Arab intellectuals. His work focuses on the failure of the Enlightenment in the Islamic world and the search for an Arab identity in modernity. Sonja Hegasy introduces the Moroccan philosopher


The Moroccan philosopher al-Jabri subjects Arab culture to fundamental analysis and critique in the Enlightenment tradition
The starting point of Mohammed Abed al-Jabri's work is the question of referential authority in Arab-Islamic societies. Who determines Muslim history? Who is entitled to read women's rights into the sacred texts? What kind of technical or social innovations are allowed and with what justification? These are all issues pointing to a basic conflict about the individual's power of judgement.


Al-Jabri holds the view that the changes brought by modernity to the Islamic world also bring about change in the religion of Islam. In fact, this can be observed everywhere. Islam in Morocco differs considerably from Islam in Malaysia as well as from the Islamic convictions of "Black Muslims" in the United States.

Yet, this is where Jabri's approach encounters resistance in the Arab world, as many Arabs still consider themselves the custodians and preservers of the "true" and therefore only Islam.

Deconstruction of Arabic thought

The discussion that al-Jabri has set into motion centres on the individual and rational interpretation of sacred texts. He frees these texts from the patterns of interpretation based in the 8th century and grants the ability of interpretation to the rational power of judgement exercised by every individual.

In his four volume work, The Critique of Arab Reason, al-Jabri analyses the structural boundaries of scientific ways of thinking, which he regards as the cause of the failure of the modernization process in the Arab world.


In his "Contemporary Critique" of Arab-Islamic philosophy, Al-Jabri rejects what he calls the current polarization of Arab thought between an imported modernism that disregards Arab tradition and a fundamentalism that would reconstruct the present in the image of an idealized past
In the introduction to his first volume from 1984, al-Jabri includes his The Critique of Arab Reason in a series of publications on the theme of crisis and renaissance of Arabic culture that have appeared over the last hundred years.

His work revolves around the issue of how knowledge is produced. This has led al-Jabri to investigate the grammar of the Arabic language, as well as Muslim law, theology, mysticism, rhetoric, and philosophy.

According to al-Jabri, these fields all exhibit the same structures of knowledge production. He claims that the method of analogy is deeply rooted in thinking within the Arab-Islamic cultural sphere, as this method was carried over from Islamic jurisprudence to all fields of science.

In the science of religious interpretation (ulum al-bayan), the unknown is always classified below that of the already known. Reasoning in the natural sciences (ulum al-burhan) is, by analogy, based solely on deduction. Mysticism (ulum al-irfan), on the other hand, has meant for most intellectuals a retreat into the private sphere, so that here, as well, no momentum towards modernization can arise.

Al-Jabri criticises these three types of understanding as posing the greatest barrier towards innovative and modern thinking, as a prescribed pattern for interpreting the past can also have consequences for the politics of today.

Overcoming traditional patterns of thinking

By contrast, European and Greek culture, al-Jabri notes, are not only characterized by the division between knowledge and magic, but, in particular, by their concern with the conditions for the possibility of thinking.

He calls for giving up the idea of unity (tauhid) outside of the religious sphere, because only in the clash of various and contradicting theories and theoreticians, between the natural sciences, religion, and state power does the necessary dynamism for progress develop.

In his works, al-Jabri shows the relativity and contextuality of the Arabic cultural heritage and concludes that it cannot provide any guidelines for action in the modern world. He also argues against the polemic that the individual striving for reason, protest, and criticism are "imported drugs from the West" and will only weaken the Muslim world.


In his works, al-Jabri illustrates the relativity and strong ties to context of Arab cultural heritage
Since the 1970s, al-Jabri has been one of the advocates of a radical, secular leftist society in the Arab world. He was one of the active members of the Union Nationale des Forces Populaires (UNFP), the left wing of the Istiqlal party, which split off from the main party in 1959.

After the UNFP was banned in Morocco in 1973, he served from 1975 to 1988 as a member of the politburo of the Union Socialiste des Forces Populaires. Al-Jabri is co-author of a philosophy textbook published by the Ministry of Education and used as teaching material.

In his position at the university, al-Jabri has introduced a generation of alienated students to their historical heritage and its unorthodox trends. He has greatly contributed to the discourse on Arab identity by popularizing philosophical and scientific knowledge within the framework of his political activity and through his teaching. In 2008, he was awarded the Ibn Rushd Prize for Freedom of Thought in Berlin.

Al-Jabri proposes the thesis that the structure of Arabic thinking has until now not brought forth a "scientific revolution" and subsequently no modernization, because it has internalized the systems of religious interpretation.

To work out and exemplify these structures of thought is among the most important tasks needed in order to overcome the intellectual standstill in the Arab world.

A plea for the freedom of thought


Al-Jabri is against tradition that means merely repeating history. And he is also against tradition that merely has to be learnt by rote
By deconstructing religious interpretation and law, al-Jabri's philosophy has taken on a political edge. Al-Jabri deconstructs the position of Islamists, who produce a straight line, supposedly objective, and overpowering story in order to prescribe a single identity upon the individual.

Al-Jabri's approach to the theory of knowledge begins with an emancipatory impulse, as he places the engaged citizen who is able to interpret historical and contemporary events at the centre of his endeavour.

He regards the freedom of the individual and the differences between individuals as the core of social (self-) organization. Differences become a constitutive basis for society. Here one finds the social explosiveness of his work.

Al-Jabri rallies against a tradition that only believes in the repetition of history. He also rejects any tradition that only requires its adherents to learn by rote in order attain its mastery.

Yet, for al-Jabri, mastering a tradition means knowing its various aspects and thereby recognizing its relativity and historicity. Only those who are open to innovation can shape the future. Innovation and creativity can only blossom where there are no bans on thought.

Sonja Hegasy

© Qantara.de 2009

Sonja Hegasy holds a PhD in Islamic Studies and is Vice Director of the Centre for Modern Oriental Studies (ZMO) in Berlin, Germany.

"Reason is a light which is certainly needed to illuminate the darkness, but it can also be useful in full daylight." (Mohammed Abed al-Jabri)

Mohammed Abed al-Jabri was without doubt one of the most significant social theorists of the Arab world. His dissertation on Ibn Khaldun, a pioneer of modern sociology, in 1970 brought him the first doctorate awarded by the University of Mohammed V in Rabat following Moroccan independence. It was the first of a total of over thirty works.

Al-Jabri was both a critical philosopher and a proponent of a left-wing programme of social policy. From 1959 onwards, he worked with the Moroccan opposition politician Mehdi Ben Barka in the Socialist Union Nationale des Forces Populaires (UNFP). And he remained committed to education, initially as a teacher, then as a school inspector, a writer of school books, a university teachers and mentor.

In the tradition of Immanuel Kant

Drawing on the history of non-orthodox Muslim movements, such as the Kharijites, Ismailis, Shiites or Sufis, he called for an oppositional mode of thought. Al-Jabri saw himself in the tradition of Immanuel Kant, in that he called on his readers to insist on their right to define the world on the basis of their observations, and not on the basis of pre-defined, traditional or out-of-date authorities.

He was, in the best sense, a "public intellectual." In 1990, he published a North African "East-West Dialogue" as a kind of argument and counter-argument with the Egyptian philosopher Hassan Hanafi. His main work, "The Critique of the Arab Mind," appeared in Beirut and Casablanca between 1984 and 2001 in four volumes, and led to lively controversy.

According to al-Jabri, two main elements in the history of political ideas continue to have an influence in the Arab world and are responsible for its continuing stagnation: imitation rather than critical thought has become the main form of awareness, and rulers are counselled but they are not controlled.

To counter that influence, Al-Jabri wanted to strengthen the rational, intellectual tradition in Muslim thought and drew on the Andalusian commentator of Aristotle, Averroes or Ibn Rushd, as his authority.

Like many contemporary intellectuals in the Arab world, Mohammed Abed al-Jabri is scarcely known in Germany. It was the current writer who introduced the philosopher and publisher Reginald Grünenberg to his works in 1995. Ever since, Grünenberg has persisted with his plan to publish al-Jabri's major works in German in his Perlen Verlag publishing house. An introduction to his work appeared in 2009, with an introduction by one of al-Jabri's assistants.

Dialogue with the Muslim world

I was able to bring that volume to al-Jabri last May. He would have loved to have lived to see the German translation of "The Critique of the Arab Mind." An English translation is also still in progress. As a result, one of the most important Arab intellectuals is scarcely known in the West, however much people may talk of the importance of dialogue with the Muslim world.

Al-Jabri's attack on conventional authority is as explosive socially as the works of the Egyptian Farag Foda, who was killed by an Islamist group in 1992, or those of the Sudanese scholar Mahmud Mohammed Taha, who was hanged in 1985.

Both Taha and Foda were declared to be apostates, and thus beyond the protection of the law, by the state religious authorities. It was a sign of the greater liberalism of Morocco that al-Jabri never faced such threats. The Moroccan king even offered him national honours, but he always refused.

A target for Islamists

Reginald Grünenberg asked him in a letter published in 2005 whether his provocative views had never led to repression or violence against him.


For millions of young people, Al-Jabri has reconciled modernity, their desire for democracy and their cultural heritage, says the Moroccan sociologist Fatima Mernissi
Al-Jabri replied, "I have never yet found myself the object of any kind of aggression on account of my political position or on account of those of my ideas which express an ideological or cultural position… When I criticise an intellectual tendency or wish to distance myself from it, then I do so solely as a thinker who wishes to make his position clear, and not as an opponent or an enemy."

But the day after his death, Islamist websites were stirring up hatred against him.

The Moroccan feminist Fatima Mernissi once wrote that, to judge from the heated debates in which students are everywhere continuously engaging, al-Jabri was probably the philosopher who was most read by young people in the Arab world.

For "millions of young people," Al-Jabri had reconciled modernity, their desire for democracy and their cultural heritage, she wrote. Young people read his works eagerly, and got to know a version of Muslim history in which reason and the formation of individual opinions were a fundamental element.

Al-Jabri was a member of a well-educated generation which experienced the independence struggles in North Africa as young men; they went on to influence the formation of their society in every area. His motto was, "Have the courage to use your own intelligence!"
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abhischekcc wrote: But what is interesting is that the Iranians do not have this technology, the Russians do. It is the Russians that have done both - developed EMP based weapons, as well as have capability to determine the frequencies that US drone operate on. The Iranians are good for only shouting at the top of their lungs.

Russia may have pulled another victory against the US empire.
I think it is not Russia but the PRC which is involved here.
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Wonder if US decided to end ops in Iraq on Dec 15, a day earlier than Dec 16, the TSP Major Non Nato Ally surrender day?
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ramana wrote:Wonder if US decided to end ops in Iraq on Dec 15, a day earlier than Dec 16, the TSP Major Non Nato Ally surrender day?
:lol:
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No they have in-house watchers who are mindful of such analogies.

In a way Dec 15th 2011 is birth of a new Iraq.
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Indo Russia Joint Statement - Asks Iran to comply with UNSC resolutions and extend full cooperation to IAEA. Both express concern over Iran's nuclear program.

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Heidar Moslehi tried to open a page with KSA of appeasement etc. Withdrawal from Iraq by the US is seen as a precursor to any attack on Iran.
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ramana wrote:No they have in-house watchers who are mindful of such analogies.

In a way Dec 15th 2011 is birth of a new Iraq.
Dont think the Amir khans have that much sense of history - but Dec 15, 1256 is the day Hulagu captured and destroyed the Hashashins at Alamut in Iran, one of the most significant destructions of Islamist powers in the region. Subsequently, the Islamist power moved its centre through the Turks further west, and persians never really regained their former reach.
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shyamd wrote:Indo Russia Joint Statement - Asks Iran to comply with UNSC resolutions and extend full cooperation to IAEA. Both express concern over Iran's nuclear program.
India, Russia against unilateral sanctions on Iran
India and Russia Friday warned against unilateral sanctions on Iran, in an apparent reference to actions taken by US and other Western nations, and advocated the use of political and diplomatic means to resolve the tensions arising out of Tehran's nuclear programme.

In a joint statement issued after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev held summit talks here, the two countries voiced concern over the situation emerging around Iran's nuclear programme.

While recognising the inherent right of states to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, India and Russia stressed the need for all states to comply with their respective obligations on non-proliferation.

The joint statement supported a comprehensive and long-term settlement of the situation exclusively through political and diplomatic means by promoting dialogue.

In this context, they also noted that unilateral sanctions could be counter-productive, a veiled reference to US action.

The two countries while recognising Iran's right to develop research, produce and use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes in conformity with international obligations urged that country to comply with the provisions of the relevant UN Security Council Resolutions and extend full cooperation to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Iran claims that its nuclear programme is for purely peaceful purposes.
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[Iraq holds back on Exxon's Kurdish deal
MONTREAL - The Iraqi government announced on Wednesday that it will respect existing contracts with ExxonMobil Corp in the south of the country after the company signed new oil deals with the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) in the north. The political center in Baghdad considers such contracts with the KRG illegal.
The government has, however, excluded ExxonMobil from the next national round of licensing, according to reports by AK News, also known as Kurdistan News Agency. The next licensing round is due early next March.
Acharya Saan, take a note.
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Saudi nukes are already real being from TSP's Chinese inventory.
Irani nukes are non existent!!!!

So what was that article really about?
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Egypt is erupting again. As per my earlier predictions, the army itself was long ago compromised with Islamism, and allowed MB and Islamism in general to survive and flourish. So after allowing it to grow to sufficient strength the army has gone back to creatingc onditions in the electoral process - by which MB/salafists would come to power.

This is the pattern in all so-called modernizing Islamist societies. Not moderate but middle-roaders in Islamism use radical progressive non-Islam-specific activism to remove older Islamists from power, but once that compromise is mediated - typically through the army/military - the radicals are crushed out. From BD to Iran to Egypt - things are everywhere the same.

What is implies is that - as I had suggested - that another generationw ill have to deal with these modern-faced islamists and realize that it is Islam itself which reproduces over and over again the repressive and fossilized regimes. Iran should be the first one [and not BD which started the process earlier].
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what timeline are we talking about for BD, compared to Iran or Egypt?
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devesh wrote:what timeline are we talking about for BD, compared to Iran or Egypt?
Well this is West Asia thread - so will not elaborate. BD is complicated by the existence of dynasties - which delays the process of rejection by raising hopes and confusion about the possibility of bypassing the hard way.
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Re: Iraq -- I don't see how Sunni secessionism is even an option. All they have is some desert, no oil, etc.

Speaking of Maliki and the Kurds, there is a very significant new development taking place right now. He is attempting to get rid of the two most anti-Iranian members of Iraq's government. Maliki is planning to submit a motion of non confidence against his Ba'athist Deputy Prime Minister Saleh al-Mutlaq for calling him a dictator, and he is planning to press criminal charges against his Sunni Islamist Vice President Tareq Hashemi, for involvement in recent terrorist attacks.

Now these guys have come to the Kurds crying for help. Only thing is, they have made their entire careers out of inciting racial hatred against Kurds. Hashemi is the guy who claimed that Jalal Talabani should not be eligible for the Presidency because he is a Kurd, and that in an Arab country, only Arabs should hold high office. Mutlaq is the guy who loves Saddam Hussein so much that he sparked outrage numerous times for denying the Ba'athists ever commited any massacres or genocides. Both men ran on a vehemently anti-Kurdish platform and they prevented Ayad Allawi from signing a deal with the Kurdistan Alliance to form a new government without Maliki, because they refused to accept any Kurdish demands. They also consistently blame the Iranians for conspiracies about anything bad that happens in Iraq and accuse anyone they don't like of being Iranian puppets.

The political party Iraqiyya is apparently outraged by this (because it removes their members from two of their most prominent positions), and they have threatened to boycott the Iraqi parliament if this happens. Meanwhile, the Iraqiyya dominated local government in Diyala (the one that tried to declare autonomy) has fled from their capital in Baquba to the Kurdish controlled Khanaqin (ironically, they have campaigned for years, to take this territory away from the Kurds, claiming they are illegally occupying, etc.) because Maliki gunmen have started staging armed rallies there against Kurdish autonomy.

Note: Mutlaq, unlike his hypocritical fellow "ex"-Ba'athist, al-Nujayfi (who became famous for running anti-Kurdish campaign against autonomy in Ninawa, and now suddenly switched over to supporting Sunni autonomy) is still firmly opposed to any autonomy or federalism in Iraq.

Following is some analysis from a friend -- Sunni Muslims in Iraqi parliament, per party, to show how populair each political faction is among Sunnis:
#|party|leader
(26|KDP|Barzani)
(17|PUK|Talabani)
16|Hiwar|al-Mutlaq
10|Wifaq|Allawi (also has 18 Shi'a seats)
10|al-Hal|al-Karbuli
9|al-Hadba|al-Nujayfi
8|NFG|al-Issawi
(8|Gorran|Nawshirwan)
7|Tajdeed|al-Hashemi
6|Islamic Party|al-Samara'i
6|The Iraqis|al-Yawar
4|Awakening|Abu Risha
(4|KIU|Bahaaeddin)
3|TurkmenFront|Ergeç
(2|IGK|Bapir)
1|Arab Gathering|al-Jubouri
1|Dawa|al-Maliki (he appointed this one as part of the compensation seats. Not a single Sunni was actually elected into al-Maliki's list)

Notes: Kurdish parties in brackets. Aside from the Kurdish parties, Maliki's Dawa, the Islamic Party and the Awakening Movement are the only ones not party of Iraqiyya. Also note that Maliki's Sunni MP is a Turkmen and aside from these 4 Sunni Turkmen, another 3 Shi'a Turkmen were elected into parliament as part of Shi'a parties. Ayad Allawi's Wifaq is the only party in Iraqi parliament which won both Sunni and Shi'a seats.
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yawn I am still waiting for Turkey to invade Syria

So many red lines zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz so many predictions :(

come on .... I need some tin cans destroyed by Leopard 1s onleeeee :mrgreen:
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Surya wrote:yawn I am still waiting for Turkey to invade Syria

So many red lines zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz so many predictions :(

come on .... I need some tin cans destroyed by Leopard 1s onleeeee :mrgreen:
No need to do that when you have trained/armed defectors to do the job efficiently. And why create a war like solution if u can use intelligence to kick Bashar out? Turks have set up a buffer zone within their own territory. Western SF already deployed.
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Sustaining mechanics of Arab autocracies
For this purpose, I would suggest that we think about Arab autocracies as protection rackets.
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KSA, Kuwait & Qatar told NSA they are shifting their European investments to India.
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U.S. and Turkey find a relationship that works
By David Ignatius, Published: December 8

They are unlikely partners: a cool and unflappable U.S. president and a proud, sometimes hot-tempered Turkish prime minister. But they have developed a working relationship that is one of the most important but least discussed developments shaping this year of change in the Arab world.

If you’re looking for factors that can keep the Arab Awakening from turning into a nightmare, the U.S.-Turkey partnership is mildly reassuring. President Obama and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan have worked closely to manage events in Egypt, Libya, Syria and, increasingly, Iran.

They have talked by phone 13 times this year, according to the White House. The two didn’t start off as friends but became so after a blunt conversation last year in Toronto. The relationship that emerged exemplifies Obama’s basic formulation of “mutual respect and mutual interest.”

For an administration that wants to influence Arab turmoil but also stay in the background, Erdogan has been the perfect cut-out: He has high credibility on the Arab street, especially with the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist parties empowered by the Arab revolutions. And he has a foreign minister with Kissingerian ambitions, Ahmet Davutoglu.

Erdogan embodies the “Turkish model” — a strong Islamist governing party that is committed to the free market and backed by a solid, pro-American military — which many administration officials see as the best hope for Egypt and its neighbors. But critics caution that Erdogan has narrowed the scope of democracy in Turkey by reducing the independence of the media, the judiciary and the army. In that sense, the Turkish model has dangers as well as benefits.

I’ve seen Erdogan’s temper firsthand, when he walked out of a Davos panel I was moderating in 2009 because he thought he hadn’t been given a fair chance to express his criticism of the Gaza war. That spark of populist anger is part of why Erdogan is so popular in a region where the public increasingly wants politicians to stand up to the West.

As White House officials reconstruct the evolution of this special relationship, they go back to Obama’s decision to add a stop in Ankara on his first overseas trip as president in April 2009. The initial itinerary was standard fare — Group of 20 and NATO summit meetings in Europe — but Obama wanted to reach out to newly emerging powers, starting with Turkey.

The Ankara speech went well enough, but relations soured in early 2010 when Turkey tried to broker a deal with Tehran over fuel for the Iranian nuclear program. Obama saw the Turks undermining U.S. policy — especially when they voted in the U.N. Security Council against a new sanctions resolution on Iran in June.

Obama and Erdogan had a showdown later that month at the G-20 summit in Toronto. Obama protested, “You knew how important this was to me, and you didn’t come with me,” recalls a senior administration official. Erdogan responded equally bluntly. Over several hours, they moved into “a long discussion about evolving trends in the world and what it means to be allies.” Turks agree that a real partnership was born at that meeting.

As examples of “really close cooperation,” the official cites Turkish help in forming an Iraqi government under Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki; joint efforts against terrorist groups, including the Kurdish PKK; partnership on Afghanistan; and shared strategy during the Arab Spring.


The alliance has continued even as Turkey’s relations with Israel were scuttled by the Gaza flotilla incident in May 2010. The United States tried to negotiate a truce, but it failed when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu refused Erdogan’s demand for an apology. The fact that Obama has such good relations with Erdogan probably adds to Israeli uneasiness with this White House.

The most delicate piece of Turkish-American business is trying to organize a peaceful transfer of power in Syria. Erdogan, once the closest foreign ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, is now a bitter foe. As often with Erdogan, it’s personal: He feels Assad backed out on a reform promise he made several months ago. When Assad reneged, after Erdogan had told Obama he would have a deal within 72 hours, the Turkish prime minister was embarrassed and angry. That anger continues, and it’s driving the Turks to take a tough stance.

Washington and Ankara are planning an escalating pressure campaign against Assad, which will include economic sanctions, secret activities to support the opposition and perhaps a haven along the Turkish border and a humanitarian corridor inside Syria.

And what about Turkish relations with Iran, the ticking time bomb on its border? Administration officials note that Erdogan recently agreed to deploy a forward-based radar system as part of a NATO missile defense plan aimed chiefly at Iran.
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In Effect GCC Union(name?) seems to be in making....Has Iran-KSA has successfully fooled the West and kicking out the West from Middle East?
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Sustaining mechanics of Arab autocracies
For this purpose, I would suggest that we think about Arab autocracies as protection rackets.
Is the west any different?
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http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/12/we ... -will.html
We gave Saddam a fair trial, and we will give Hashemi a fair trial too."
Assurances to the Kurds, who are urged to hand over Tariq al-Hashemi, Iraq's VP, a Sunni Muslim, accused of terrorism. The President of Iraq is Shiite, and the U.S. pulled its military out of the country a few days ago.
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Now that US has withdrawn troops the party in Baghdad has begun:

Wave of Bombings Kills Dozens Across Baghdad
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How the cycle of life goes

the christians in 365 after grabbing power as a assertion of power burned the library of alexandria which were the examples of earlier ra & isis Gods,

the remnants of the library were then built again as a symbol of christian power to be destroyed by muslims after they gained

Napolean comes back and builds his own library as a symbol of his power which morphes in the egyptian eyes as a symbol of christian power.
the muslims today even before the complete grabbing of power have as an assertion of power destroyed it.
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For USA and Turkey, it seems the regime change in Syria may have something to do with America's eternal desire to create a pipeline system for providing Europe with its energy requirements.

As Turkmenistan's Gas reserves were brought under Russian control, USA suffered a blow in bringing Central Asian energy to Europe. As Pakistan stopped being a viable route for USA to exert influence in Central Asia, USA stopped looking at Central Asia as the place from where it is going to source energy for Europe. The only other place is the Gulf.

So Jordan has been brought into the GCC. If Syria too should turn Sunni, then the Gulf can meet Europe's energy requirements using pipelines passing through Jordan, Syria, Turkey and into Europe. That is why Russia has sided with the Syrians. The Syrians provide a natural barrier to Gulf energy for Europe, enabling the Russians to corner the European Energy market, and thus political influence in Central Europe.

Iraq is far too much under the control of the Shi'a, and thus Iran, and thus not sufficiently controllable by the West and the Saudis.

Saudis, Turks and Americans feel their interests coincide here. The Turks would want more control over the energy supply to Europe. There are 3.5 million Turks in Germany and Turkey would also want to secure their future and the future of still more Turks who could migrate to Germany. But Turkey also sees itself as an energy corridor for Europe and would want to build upon it. Russia on the other hand wants to "monopolize" the pipeline infrastructure in Europe. The Nord Stream Gas Pipeline joining Russia with Germany went online on 8th November, 2011.

Americans are of course here lining up in support of Turkey for that.

That is the Great Game in West and Central Asia - who supplies Europe with energy and thus controls the polity of Europe - of Germany most importantly. It is a tug of war between America and Russia.
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Jordan and Morocco plans of joining GCC are nowstopped - Oman and UAE said a big no asthe dont add enough weight to the mil alliance.

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Qatar is buying up all the weapons from libyan rebels and flooding it to the Free Syrian army. Problem with the FSA is that they are actually made up of administrative services of the army and arent well experienced in combat. Some islamist rebels are also being air lifted by Qatar to Turkey to join ranks with FSA as was expected.

The Muslim Brotherhood is doing a lot of the ground work of linking with officials and establishing contact with defectors, supporting the FSA. FSA receiving support from local militia's/tribes/families.

EU & US intelligence met with the higher ranks of the FSA to ask them about locations of NBC weapons. They didn't know too much it seems. Turkey and France are coordinating on Syria. France upping the ante on PKK in France and sending advisors to help in Turkey.

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Israeli special Forces are targetting Hezbollah missile storage sites - as I had highlighted earlier the chances of war are now extremely high.

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Iranian IAEA report - this was actually known 3 years ago but they didnt use all the info at that time because Russia and PRC wont back moves against Iran. Today the situation is different so now Rus and PRC will probably express more concern about IRan's nuclear program. the Parachin site is where several tests have occured. Iran appears to be re-inforcing nuclear sites from aerial bombardment - more concrete, Air defence cover etc. The site where a major blast took place in IRGC base a few weeks ago - was apparently where the Iranians were meant to assemble a weapon.

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GCC wants India to get involved in the Iranian nuclear file. A lot of chinwagging took place in security conferences and SSM visit. GCC sees India as a bigger power than Turkey and one that commands more respect in the region. If India plays ball, KSA will use the stick on TSP. More later. Source is now involved in speaking with Indian officials and whispering in the ears of journalists.

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IDF may be deployed in the GCC to suppport ops against the Iran n prog
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Virupaksha wrote:How the cycle of life goes

the christians in 365 after grabbing power as a assertion of power burned the library of alexandria which were the examples of earlier ra & isis Gods,

the remnants of the library were then built again as a symbol of christian power to be destroyed by muslims after they gained

Napolean comes back and builds his own library as a symbol of his power which morphes in the egyptian eyes as a symbol of christian power.
the muslims today even before the complete grabbing of power have as an assertion of power destroyed it.
The story was more brutal than that - a woman of brilliant scientific and mathematical promise - was butchered by a "Christian" mob, she was torn limb to limb. It was local politics onlee, local misrepresentations onlee, the rising "church" had no role in it, the instigators of the mob were not really members of the "church" even though they were acknowledged at that time to be so.

Destruction of the previous physically, especially eliminating all sources and traces of previous knowledge and culture - or more accurately - removing knowledge from the public domain, and hoarding it for onlee theologian and allied state-regime use - was a core theme of the organized form of the movement right form the beginning. The Paulician Byzantine inconoclasts were similarly destructive and were most influential in the 7th century in Asia Minor. This was exactly the frontier region from which Islam started off geographically.

So this "destruction/erasure" of signs of "other" culture will remain a running theme as long as the movements survive in one form or another.

Several women journalists reported about the constant "leering" they had to face, or how terribly insecure or unsafe they often had to feel - while covering the Egyptian uprising. Egyptian police has recently stripped off a woman protester in the latest round of confrontations - and of course the apologists will try to pass this off as mere "police" brutality. But they will not say that it has been a consistent part of the culture of a certain theological movement that has always been deeply mysogynist, and immensely scared of intellectual quest in humanity or individuals. Just as the early Christian mob that stripped a brilliant woman naked in the public and dragged her through the streets and flayed her with pot-shards some 1700 years ago - not much has changed within the underlying driving force of these theological strands now existing as Islamism - in West Asia.
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shyamd wrote:Turkey and France are coordinating on Syria. France upping the ante on PKK in France and sending advisors to help in Turkey.
shyamd ji, then what's behind the recent hypocritical "Armenian genocide bill" politics in France against Turkey, and the bad tempered response of the Turks?
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Interesting Video...

New Mid East Map... Interestingly don't know why Iran is given so much importance.....or is it one of the pshyops....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmPTleGK ... re=related
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brihaspati wrote:
The story was more brutal than that - a woman of brilliant scientific and mathematical promise - was butchered by a "Christian" mob, she was torn limb to limb. It was local politics onlee, local misrepresentations onlee, the rising "church" had no role in it, the instigators of the mob were not really members of the "church" even though they were acknowledged at that time to be so.
Bji,
are you referring to this woman?

Hypatia (355 or 370 - 415/416 A.D.)
On a fatal day, in the holy season of Lent, Hypatia was torn from her chariot, stripped naked, dragged to the church, and inhumanly butchered by the hands of Peter the reader, and a troop of savage and merciless fanatics: her flesh was scraped from her bones with sharp oyster shells, and her quivering limbs were delivered to the flames. The just progress of inquiry and punishment was stopped by seasonable gifts; but the murder of Hypatia has imprinted an indelible stain on the character and religion of Cyril of Alexandria.
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Carl wrote: shyamd ji, then what's behind the recent hypocritical "Armenian genocide bill" politics in France against Turkey, and the bad tempered response of the Turks?
Coordination on Syria only. Although this armenian genocide bill is taking its toll on relations as almost every Turkish politician has insulted Sarkozy over the issue.
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