Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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Postby Singha » 31 Dec 2011 14:20

>> I think our analysis has missed "climate change"

I have read the Indus system will be 50% of todays flow by 2050 due to overuse, climate change and large scale timer cutting upstream.

unless the chinese or US help them with foodgrains the pakis are going to have a tough time.


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Postby shiv » 31 Dec 2011 17:00

Singha wrote:sept 2011

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/chine ... ols-131404

Chinese to be made compulsory in Sindh schools



Even begging requires that the giver understands how much the beggar wants

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Postby shyamd » 31 Dec 2011 17:16

US couldn't pressurise Pakistan to hand Dawood Ibrahim to India: Ex-US envoy

'Stop sending terrorists, will pull back guns'

India will consider the Pakistani proposal to withdraw heavy artilleries from the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir, only if Pakistan stops cross-border infiltration bids.

The Pakistani proposal to pull back artillery pieces of above 120 mm calibre by 30 km from the LoC
and the Indian response came during the two-day Indo-Pakistan conventional and nuclear CBMs dialogue that began in Islamabad on Monday.

Government sources said the Pakistani side, led by Munawar Saeed Bhatti, additional secretary in the foreign ministry, made the proposal to his Indian counterpart, Yash Sinha, to strengthen the 2003 ceasefire agreement.

But the Indian concern is if it pulls back its 130-mm and 155-mm Bofors artillery guns by 30 km, it will not be able to target the terrorist launch-pads across the LoC in Pakistan occupied Kashmir, as the field guns have a maximum range of 27-28 km with normal-range shells.

The artilleries also act as a deterrent against any Pakistani army adventure.


During discussions with joint secretary DB Venkatesh Varma on nuclear CBMs, Bhatti expressed concern over the threat posed by India's nuclear and conventional arsenal to Pakistani capital Islamabad and indicated that there should be a broad parity in nuclear deterrence.

But New Delhi stuck to the position that its military and nuclear posture was aimed at countering threats, not only from South Asia but also beyond -- especially China.

Besides, it said the linkages between Pakistan and China through PoK meant that India had to be prepared for the two-front situation.

The two sides, however, extended two key agreements on the notification of ballistic missiles testing and reducing the risk of accidents related to nuclear weapons by five years.

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Postby SSridhar » 31 Dec 2011 18:31


From the above,
He said there was a growing sentiment among both Democrats and Republicans that the US military aid to Pakistan should be substantially slashed.


After all that has happened, the sentiment is still only growing ? How pathetic.

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Postby Brad Goodman » 31 Dec 2011 19:21

Blast in Pakistan kills two children

Two children were killed and 13 others were injured when a bomb went off near the home of a tribal elder in the restive Khyber tribal region of northwest Pakistan on Saturday, officials said.

The bomb was detonated by remote control as a group of people were leaving the home of tribal elder Malik Rasool Jan Shinwari at Landi Kotal in Khyber Agency.

The people had gathered at his residence for a jirga or tribal council, officials said.

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Postby shravan » 31 Dec 2011 19:30

Bomb kills 2 soldiers in northwest Pakistan
http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=40917&CID=1

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Postby SSridhar » 31 Dec 2011 19:32

Pakistan & India should aim for normalcy, not friendship
A fine sentiment marred by the following
When relations are viewed with rationality rather than emotion, there would be no reason why Pakistan should continue with a syllabus in its schools that teaches its children an absurdly distorted history of India-Pakistan before Partition and after. And Indians will realise that normalising relations with its neighbour to the West is as important for finding communal peace at home, as it is for being recognised by the world as a ‘great power’ – something that Indians constantly like to imagine their country already is.

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Postby jrjrao » 31 Dec 2011 19:42

Nothing is quicker in giving the Pakis a raging hard-on than the magical words -- "mal-e-ghaneemat" (that their raped grand-mommies were the very such maal-e-loot is of course lost on them):
There are over 2800 armored vehicles, ten ton trucks, heavy military equipment and over 5000 NATO containers with ammo and supplies for the entire Pak army! We can raise at least 5 armored infantry divisions with this mal-e-ghaneemat....Pak army will never get this kind of hardware ever.

Source not worth mentioning or linking to.

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Postby pankajs » 31 Dec 2011 19:50

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan & India should aim for normalcy, not friendship
A fine sentiment marred by the following
When relations are viewed with rationality rather than emotion, there would be no reason why Pakistan should continue with a syllabus in its schools that teaches its children an absurdly distorted history of India-Pakistan before Partition and after. And Indians will realise that normalising relations with its neighbour to the West is as important for finding communal peace at home, as it is for being recognised by the world as a ‘great power’ – something that Indians constantly like to imagine their country already is.

They have realized that we have moved beyond them and that is what is troubling them. I guess it gives them sleepless nights and are searching for the right formulation that would make them relevant again.

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Postby SSridhar » 31 Dec 2011 19:54

jrjrao wrote:Nothing is quicker in giving the Pakis a raging hard-on than the magical words -- "mal-e-ghaneemat"
There are over 2800 armored vehicles, ten ton trucks, heavy military equipment and over 5000 NATO containers with ammo and supplies for the entire Pak army! We can raise at least 5 armored infantry divisions with this mal-e-ghaneemat....Pak army will never get this kind of hardware ever.

Last time, such maal-e-ghanimat [acquired with consent] was accumulated, it went up in a puff raining on unsuspecting people of the twin cities for days together. This time, they want to covet maal-e-ghaneemat and no one knows how it will end.

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Postby SSridhar » 31 Dec 2011 19:56

pankajs wrote:They have realized that we have moved beyond them and that is what is troubling them. I guess it gives them sleepless nights and are searching for the right formulation that would make them relevant again.

pankajs, it was written by Ms. Nirupama Subramanian (of the inner Pakistaniyat fame), ex Reporter of The Hindu in Islamabad.

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Postby JE Menon » 31 Dec 2011 20:08

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan & India should aim for normalcy, not friendship
A fine sentiment marred by the following
...Indians will realise that normalising relations with its neighbour to the West is as important for finding communal peace at home, as it is for being recognised by the world as a ‘great power’ [/b]– something that Indians constantly like to imagine their country already is.


An attempt by Nirupama Subramanian to appear "even-handed" - i.e. criticise the reality in Pakistan's education system, but since she cannot realistically say the same about India, bring in what she thinks would suffice - to confirm the Pakistani view that communal peace in India depends on Pakistanj and that Indians are in general over-reaching in their clearly misguided attempt to move in the general direction of great-power status... In short, pandering to the Salman Taseer types (why you Indians are trying to go to space only? Try to produce a sewing needle first, sort of thing). And this woman, who should know better, does not have the courage to call a spade a spade without also calling the neighbour (her own country) a shovel.

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Postby Kashi » 31 Dec 2011 20:13

SSridhar wrote:pankajs, it was written by Ms. Nirupama Subramanian (of the inner Pakistaniyat fame), ex Reporter of The Hindu in Islamabad.


Hardly surprising though. I recall that she once appeared on Farah Hussain's (of the Hinduoon ki to z'hniyat hi aisi hai fame) morning show and made scant efforts to call her out on her BS on Indus waters and dams.

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Postby pankajs » 31 Dec 2011 20:25

No wonder it is because of people like her that paki's still think they represent the Indian Muslims and that they have every right to meddle in our internal affairs.
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Postby anupmisra » 31 Dec 2011 20:25

LaWhori Logic at its wholesome best.
Indian drugs to end Pak firms monopoly

The government must not make any agreement with India at the cost of local industry, as the low cost Indian medics will wipe out the domestic pharma sector which is currently making huge profit amidst rising inflation and widespread corruption in the country.
Moreover, there is no match between them if compare the pricing structure, R&D, cost of production, innovative scientific manpower of two countries.


Conclusion: No Indian pharma companies in pukistan. QED. Lets break for mayhem.

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Postby anupmisra » 31 Dec 2011 20:34

That Nirupama Subramanian article, in my opinion after re-reading it several times, is a well written, middle-of-the-line piece considering the fact that it is written for a paki publication.

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Postby dada » 31 Dec 2011 20:36

Source : http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft ... 30&page=27

Excerpt1: From the Book "Men who kill"

A Story of MQM Militant
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Our leader gave us weapons that night and came with us
We all went out in a few cars we'd hijacked
We didn't have Kalashnikovs but the latest weapons then were Sten guns
We went out in two cars to find some Pakhtuns, of course innocent Pakhtuns
These Pakhtuns are hard workers, they came to Karachi as laborers and sleep under the sky, they don't have homes
So it's easy to find them sleeping on the roads and in the parks... We were just 14 boys altogether in four cars... We killed as many as we could find (Pages 3 and 4)

Excerpt2:
These stories are about youths induction into a system that unabashedly kills at the orders given by higher authorities

This writing in one way reveal an aspect of the inner mechanism of violence in paki psyche.

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pankajs wrote:
And Indians will realise that normalising relations with its neighbour to the West is as important for finding communal peace at home, as it is for being recognised by the world as a ‘great power’

They have realized that we have moved beyond them and that is what is troubling them. I guess it gives them sleepless nights and are searching for the right formulation that would make them relevant again.

Pakistanis think they control Indian Muslims and that they can spark communal riots by telling Indian Muslims "Choo - I am your phather. I tell you to fug Hindoos now in the name of Djinnah (PBUH)" and Indian Muslims will all pour out of their homes and fug all Hindus.

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Postby chetak » 31 Dec 2011 21:03

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan & India should aim for normalcy, not friendship
A fine sentiment marred by the following
When relations are viewed with rationality rather than emotion, there would be no reason why Pakistan should continue with a syllabus in its schools that teaches its children an absurdly distorted history of India-Pakistan before Partition and after. And Indians will realise that normalising relations with its neighbour to the West is as important for finding communal peace at home, as it is for being recognised by the world as a ‘great power’ – something that Indians constantly like to imagine their country already is.


Aunty is just making sure that her biriyani is not poisoned by the local help.

** corrected grammar
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Postby Mahendra » 31 Dec 2011 21:40

Happy NewIED year to all Poaks.
Nirupama aunty is right. Colonic harmony is dependent on the availability of Pakistans. 70% of hindu Indians are forced to do early morning Pakistan in Public

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Postby pankajs » 31 Dec 2011 21:41

Is this for real? I mean can paki become napak overnite?

US Ups Extremist Fight in Pakistan
Sultan Mehmood Gujar was a solid supporter of Islamist militants fighting in Pakistan, Afghanistan and India and even donated money to them, until he attended an innovative 40-day lecture series by a moderate cleric aimed at countering violent extremism.

The course, given to the public at an Islamic school in a hotbed of militancy in Pakistan, had a profound effect on the 46-year-old property dealer, convincing him the militants were wrong to claim they were waging holy war, or jihad, justified by the Quran, the religion's holy book.

"I was shocked to discover that what the militants were doing was against Islam," said Gujar, sitting on the floor at the madrasa in Okara city where the lectures were delivered. "Now I call them terrorists, not jihadis."

Fazal ur Rehman, the cleric who runs the 400-student madrasa, recorded each of the 2-hour lectures he and others gave this past summer and would like to distribute the DVDs to reach a wider audience. But he lacks the money.

The U.S. has created a new unit in Pakistan that aims to leverage such grassroots efforts by working with local moderates to counter violent extremism — the first of its kind set up by an American embassy anywhere in the world, according to U.S. officials here. The existence of the unit has never before been reported.

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Postby CRamS » 31 Dec 2011 21:45

A piece of rubbish from Nirupama whatever, nothing balanced about it. The issue is TSP obsession to dominate India. They are not interested in being a normal neighbor because then they are then finished. As an analogy consider taking a tough exam, the guy who knows he is going to flunk is not interested in taking the exam, his best bet lies in disrupting the exam itself. That way, everybody suffers.

Nirupama, like many in DDM are either swayed by personal relations they have with TSP RAPE, or as is I suspect, exhibits the qualities of a mental midget and coward so endemic among Indian Hindu elites that they run sacred of pointing the truth about TSP for fear of being told what a mess India is in, the perverted view of Hinduism, the western racist India TSP equal equal worldview etc. The hallmark of a good journalist, with Indian interests in mind, would have the courage and wherewithal to defend India against the perfidy of TSP no matter what India's other ills may be.

As for TSP believing they can play the Indian Muslim trump card, I have mixed feelings. Certainly many elements of India's Bollywood are no different from TSP RAPE. In US, I have witnessed first hand the activities of the Indian Muslim council. They supposedly are working for a true secular India. But if you see their news letter, their events, etc, they froth in their mouths talking about anything to do with India. And in their formulations of any issue, you are left wondering if ISI could do any better. For e.g., in the spirit of "secularism", they called for an impartial inquiry into 26/11 to probe the role of RSS.

In general, unlike Gujarat in 2001, if Indian govt reacts swiftly with a sense of moral clarity to a communal provocation like Godhra, and makes sure there is no free for all retaliatory vigilanti justice like the horrors of 2001, TSP game-plan of setting off a communal cauldron can be thwarted. In general given the level of mistrust between Hindus and Muslims, a tiny spark can set off tit for tat killings, and TSP can exploit that vulnerability. But if Indian govt acts swiftly, puts the blame where it belongs instead of bringing in this bogus "saffron terror" angle, it can prevent the mistrust and testy relationship between Hindus and Muslims from boiling over.

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Postby shiv » 31 Dec 2011 21:50

anupmisra wrote:LaWhori Logic at its wholesome best.
Indian drugs to end Pak firms monopoly
R&D in Pakistan.




R&D in Pakistan?

Turn up volume and click

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Postby shiv » 31 Dec 2011 21:56

CRamS wrote:In general given the level of mistrust between Hindus and Muslims, a tiny spark can set off tit for tat killings

CRamS I cannot predict if things will change - but starting after Kargil and accelerating after 26/11 the mistrust levels are at record lows.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 31 Dec 2011 23:23

pankajs wrote:No wonder it is because of people like her that paki's still think they represent the Indian Muslims and that they have every right to meddle in our internal affairs.

I have some empathy for Nirupama Subramaniam. We Indians homo indicus are basically good-hearted, decent people and don't want to be nasty and one-sided, even when it is the correct thing to be. Also, we want to improve ourselves morally and otherwise. In case of Nirupama Subramaniam she probably doesn't want to burn professional and personal bridges she built when in TSP. My own journey to outright and total enmity with TSP (it was gradual but ultimatlely it took 26/11 to tip the scale) stands as testimony for me.

homo pakistanicus is very different from homo indicus and it is very hard for us to realize that.
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Postby pgbhat » 31 Dec 2011 23:29

SSridhar wrote:Last time, such maal-e-ghanimat [acquired with consent] was accumulated, it went up in a puff raining on unsuspecting people of the twin cities for days together. This time, they want to covet maal-e-ghaneemat and no one knows how it will end.

Safety concerns: ‘US to export all NATO cargo out of Pakistan’

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Postby Venkarl » 31 Dec 2011 23:46

pgbhat wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Last time, such maal-e-ghanimat [acquired with consent] was accumulated, it went up in a puff raining on unsuspecting people of the twin cities for days together. This time, they want to covet maal-e-ghaneemat and no one knows how it will end.

Safety concerns: ‘US to export all NATO cargo out of Pakistan’


Also, read the comments. BRF has the perfect understanding of the Paki psyche. Kudos.

Added Later:

Posting few comments reinforcing BRFopanishad on Porikis:

Mirza
Dec 29, 2011 - 2:14AM
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It is only fair that the US bring its cargo back to its custody. It is the right of Pakistani govt to allow or not allow the passage. Nothing can be forced upon Pakistan as an independent country. Both countries should do what is best for them.


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Dec 29, 2011 - 8:23AM
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Another foolish step by Pakistan. Losing millions in much needed dollar revenue.


Ahmer Ali
Dec 29, 2011 - 10:28AM
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Now US’ official have to realize this reality and truth that US’ and NATO’s troops have killed thousands of innocent people especially women,children and old persons on the name of fake terrorism in Afghanistan and also USA has damaged its economy by wasting trillions of $$$$$ on the useless war in Afghanistan and also US’ and NATO’s expensive war equipments and vehicles have been destroyed in Afghanistan uselessly and fruitlessly and troops have been killed but now the reservations of every country have been changed and US’ officials now have to leave every country and protect USA by living within USA.Because the time is changing now and every country is waking up to protect and secure its rights and territories.


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@Cautious:

It should be stolen and destroyed at any cost and let US fight its own war agianst taliban which they could not win without pakistan support.

RizwanTKhan
Dec 29, 2011 - 11:54AM
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That Cargo shall stay in Pakistan. Not an “inch” to move.


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PAKISTANI intelligence agencies have secretly robbed many of these vehicles for sofisticated technology. Our army will be soon able to counter american army with their technology.
:lol: {Chinese are always handy}

Many more gems there...can't post all of it

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 31 Dec 2011 23:59

SSridhar wrote:Last time, such maal-e-ghanimat [acquired with consent] was accumulated, it went up in a puff raining on unsuspecting people of the twin cities for days together. This time, they want to covet maal-e-ghaneemat and no one knows how it will end.


Sir ji, now that you mention, I recall that fateful day of summer of 1988. But more interestingly the tu-tu-mai-mai between Gilani/Kiyani reminds me of Junejo/Zia during those days. Initially Junejo was thought to be a weekling appointed by Zia and who later turned against leading upto the summer 1988 and then the mango-crates. I am somehow getting a feeling that Kiyani is treading the path travelled by Zia.

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Postby rsingh » 01 Jan 2012 02:01

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R&D in Pakistan?

Turn up volume and click[/quote]

That was good one. Something out of box.

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Postby Prem » 01 Jan 2012 02:51

[quotePakistanis think they control Indian Muslims and that they can spark communal riots by telling Indian Muslims "Choo - I am your phather. I tell you to fug Hindoos now in the name of Djinnah (PBUH)" and Indian Muslims will all pour out of their homes and fug all Hindus.[/quote]

Pakistan is not Phather but a Mother only . They themselves dont know who is/are the real father/s.
Munne Ki Amma,Yeh to batta, iss chingepot ke Abba ka naam kya hai.
Bin badal ki barkha ha yeh, janne kanha se tapke hai yeh
Bin maange hi Godh bharii, GUBi se pregnent kaise hui!!
Here is Poak Choon Choon ka Murabha .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJdF1R5lIzk

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Postby Prem » 01 Jan 2012 04:04

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Monkey Business In Pakistan
I can’t believe I missed this one: Israel has apparently exported at least one member of its ZAD (Zionist Animals of Death) squad to India, and he’s been caught.
http://www.israellycool.com/2011/12/30/monkey-business-in-pakistan/

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Postby Prem » 01 Jan 2012 04:46

US halts aid to Pakistan unannounced: FO
http://pn.com.pk/details_en.php?nid=20773
Foreign Office sources said that last tranche of Coalition Support Fund was paid to Pakistan in 2010. Only 450 million dollars were released to Pakistan under Kerry Lugar Bill in 2011 and these were also not given to government of Pakistan.Foreign Office sources said US had not announced to suspend aid to Pakistan but the pledges of aid made with Pakistan were not being delivered.Under Kerry Lugar Bill assistance is not being disbursed to Pakistan directly and 450 million dollars were provided for education and energy projects under US aid. 1.5 million dollar out of this aid has not been disbursed to Pakistan so far. US has also stalled 700 million dollar military assistance to Pakistan.On the other hand, spokesman of US embassy in Pakistan Mark Straw said US aid to Pakistan was not discontinued. Over 5 billion dollars have been disbursed to Pakistan from 2001 till now under head of civilian aid.Contradicting this report on the other hand, US embassy spokesman said it could not remember when the last tranche of Coalition Support Fund was released to Pakistan. -- Onli

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Postby Prem » 01 Jan 2012 04:53

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\01\01\story_1-1-2012_pg3_3
Dialogue among civilisations —Ishtiaq Ahmed
( Khotte Sikke and Khote Kutte)
The inclusion of Shah Waliullah (1703-1762) among the proponents of dialogue is interesting. Waliullah wanted good government and economic justice and was critical of the tradition-bound ulema who were opposed to change. Waliullah, however, was not seeking dialogue with Hindus but among Muslims to carry out reforms. Maulana Altaf Hussain Hali (1837-1914) was a populariser of past Muslim glory and condemned fanaticism and obscurantism. Sir Syed (1817-1898) pleaded for dialogue with Christian civilisation and a rapprochement between Indian Muslims and the British. A very interesting inclusion is Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi (1872-1944), whom the editor describes as a revolutionary Islamic scholar. Born into a Sikh family, Ubaidullah converted to Islam and became a close affiliate of the Deoband anti-imperialist scholar Maulana Mahmud Hassan. He settled in Sukkur, Sindh, where he established a seminary. On Mahmud Hassan’s advice in 1915, he moved to Afghanistan and formed the Provisional Government of India and started the ‘Silken Letters’ movement that aimed at the overthrow of British rule. Sindhi remained a steadfast believer in the need for Muslims and Hindus to cooperate to liberate India.With regard to Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the editor includes Jinnah’s March 1940 presidential address at Lahore. This is a bit surprising, because although there are many of his speeches from the pre-1930 period that represent the spirit of dialogue, his 1940 speech epitomises the opposite: the relentless campaign he embarked upon to emphasise differences, nay irreconcilability, between Hindus and Muslims. However, the inclusion of the August 11, 1947 speech, famously speaking of equal rights of all citizens irrespective of their religion, sect and caste, balances that and we learn that in his heart of heart Jinnah was in favour of what is recognised by all educated people as a secular state, though not by the Pakistani establishment, which is not shy in pointing out that Jinnah did not use the word or term secularism in the speech; hence, it is asserted, he was speaking of an ideal Islamic state — whatever that means.
Nobel Laureate Dr Abdus Salam (an Ahmedi) is cited passionately arguing about the harmony between science and Islam and for the revival of science among Muslims while Justice A R Cornelius (a Roman Catholic) argues in favour of Islamic law as opposed to secular democracy. The irony involved in such argumentation need not be overemphasised.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

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Satya_anveshi wrote: Initially Junejo was thought to be a weekling appointed by Zia and who later turned against leading upto the summer 1988 and then the mango-crates.

All such weaklings ended up differently in Pakistan. That is their karma.

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Postby g.sarkar » 01 Jan 2012 08:17

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... full.story
Pakistani death squads go after informants to U.S. drone program
The militant group known as Khorasan Mujahedin terrorizes villages near the Afghan border. Tribal elders say most of those killed are innocent.
By Alex Rodriguez, Los Angeles Times

December 28, 2011, 12:10 p.m.
Reporting from Peshawar, Pakistan—
"The death squad shows up in uniform: black masks and tunics with the name of the group, Khorasan Mujahedin, scrawled across the back in Urdu.
Pulling up in caravans of Toyota Corolla hatchbacks, dozens of them seal off mud-hut villages near the Afghan border, and then scour markets and homes in search of tribesmen they suspect of helping to identify targets for the armed U.S. drones that routinely buzz overhead.
Once they've snatched their suspect, they don't speed off, villagers say. Instead, the caravan leaves slowly, a trademark gesture meant to convey that they expect no retaliation.
Militant groups lack the ability to bring down the drones, which have killed senior Al Qaeda and Taliban commanders as well as many foot soldiers. Instead, a collection of them have banded together to form Khorasan Mujahedin in the North Waziristan tribal region to hunt for those who sell information about the location of militants and their safe houses.
Pakistani officials and tribal elders maintain that most of those who are abducted this way are innocent, but after being beaten, burned with irons or scalded with boiling water, almost all eventually "confess." And few ever come back.
One who did was a shop owner in the town of Mir Ali, a well-known hub of militant activity.
A band of Khorasan gunmen strode up to the shop owner one afternoon last fall, threw him into one of their cars and drove away, said a relative who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal. They took him to a safe house being used as a lockup for others the group suspected of spying for the drone program.
For the next eight weeks, they bludgeoned him with sticks, trying to get him to confess that he was a drone spy. He wasn't, said the relative. Unable to determine whether he was guilty, his captors released him to another militant group, which set him free 10 days later......"
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