Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 04 Jan 2012 08:22

A Hindu lawyer is missing and police refuse to register the case claiming that the abduction of Hindus is of no consequence.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 04 Jan 2012 08:43

abhishek_sharma wrote:

Ofcourse there is no hatred between Pakistanis and Indians and we don't consider the terrorists to be Pakistanis (neither do the Pakis ofcourse) but in that case there are no Pakistanis left in Pakistan

member_21708 · Post by **member_21708** » 04 Jan 2012 09:24

Acharya wrote:Long term relationship with US cannot go away so easily. There are so many Pakistani lawmakes who are US green card holders and citizens that there is no way this relationship will goaway. They have too many things in common in the military such as joint training and operation for 50 years that it cannot be wished away. US media has promoted Pakistan ideology for more than 40 years that it has a life of its own.

All the Pak retired generals stay in US and all the elite Pak visit US and get their advice from US military.
Pakistan, US assume less cooperation in future

havent we all seen what happened after 9/11 when terror central became frontline ally, history will repeat again

once iran war begins, pakistan will again become america's frontline ally against terrorism, sanctions will be removed, military will be showered with free american weapons and kit while pakistani airbases will be used to bomb iran

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Jan 2012 09:26

vikramd wrote:havent we all seen what happened after 9/11 when terror central became frontline ally, history will repeat again

once iran war begins, pakistan will again become america's frontline ally against terrorism, sanctions will be removed, military will be showered with free american weapons and kit while pakistani airbases will be used to bomb iran

Inshallah, may the iran war from paki bases inflame a shia-sunni civil war in papistan. Too much tohope for a '71 redux but a baluch and baltistani revolt-to-breakaway wouldn't be all that bad now, would it?

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 04 Jan 2012 09:37

Posted in full from peekay neuj

Iran ‘threatens’ to close its border with Pakistan

* Iran requested Pakistan to release its border guards

* Arrests 17 Pakistani fishermen in tit for tat reaction

Staff Report

QUETTA: It seems that all is not well at the borders, especially at Pak-Iran border. The arrest of Iranian border guards at the hands of FC took an ugly turn on Tuesday when Iran warned that it would close its border with Pakistan for a prolonged period. Earlier Iranian officials held a series of talks with their Pakistani counterparts for the release of the border guards but nothing has been done so far.

Three Iranian security personnel intruded three kilometres inside Pakistani territory in Mazansar area of Mashkel border region on Sunday and reportedly killed a man identified as Saeed Ahmed Reki. Ahmed’s younger brother was also injured in the incident. Washuk district officials, supported by the Frontier Corps (FC), rushed to the spot and booked all three Iranians.

Iran had already tightened the security along the border, including coastal area, with Pakistan. It had virtually closed the Mashkhel borders following the incident disallowing movement of goods and people between Iran and Pakistan. “Iran will close the entire 900-kilometre long border with Pakistan if the officials continue to follow a discriminatory policy towards Iran. Zero Point is open for the trade. However, security across the border has been beefed up by Iranian forces,” sources reveal.

Zero Point, a trade point between Pakistan and Iran, had remained closed for several months last year suspending the informal trade between people of either side of border.

According to sources, the deceased and his injured brother were allegedly involved in narcotic business. Local administration had registered a criminal case against Iranian security personnel amid tension between the two countries.

Iranian security personnel were implicated in cases of manslaughter and trespass in the international frontiers. Following registration of criminal cases, FC had handed over custody to the Balochistan Levies for legal proceedings. Iranian officials deplored this attitude and termed it negative saying that the Pakistani border security forces should cooperate with Iran in fighting narco business in the border region.

On the other hand in a tit for tat reaction, Iranian forces arrested at least 17 Pakistani fishermen and impounded three trawlers near Gwatar Bay following the incident in which Iranian security personnel were caught over border violation. The fishermen belonged to coastal belt of Balochistan and Pakistan officials have asked Iranians for their release of fishermen but to no avail. According to people in Jewani, an Iranian security boat entered Pakistani territorial water and arrested fishermen who were engaged in legal fishing.

Considering it is from a pure paper we need to take it with a pinch of salt.

But its nice to know that the Porkis have more borders to worry about. Am sure their flied lice fliends will try to sort it out for them.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 04 Jan 2012 09:47

joygoswami wrote:Remembering Salmaan Taseer

By Pervez Hoodbhoy
01/01/2012
(Please remove if it has been posted before)

Would be helpful to remember Mohammed Taseer at the same time - we could then perhaps dwell on the elder Taseer's love for Illamuddin - the killer of blasphemers. Qadri and Mohammed Taseer are two sides of the same coin.

member_21708 · Post by **member_21708** » 04 Jan 2012 09:50

Iranian officials deplored this attitude and termed it negative saying that the Pakistani border security forces should cooperate with Iran in fighting narco business in the border region.

pakistan uses drug money to fund its strategic assets aka terrorists. one of their chief drug smuggler is hamid gul, pakistan's former isi chief. pakistan will always protect it drug smugglers. so next time instead of a land raid, iran should use that downed american drone to destroy pakistani drug smugglers.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Jan 2012 10:03

Uncle to Paki . Tere ghar ke samne aisa Base banauga, Drone ko Orraoonga
Our New Megabase in Afghanistan

So, this is some drone-related news about the Afghan war that we missed. While most media attention has been focused on CIA drone bases in Pakistan, the U.S. last year transformed the remote ex-Soviet air field at Shindand, near the Iranian border, into the second biggest air base in all Afghanistan.The perimeter of the once sprawling Soviet base was officially expanded to three times its size to accommodate the Afghan air force’s undergraduate pilot training center. However, with last month’s downing of an RQ-170 Sentinel stealth drone, news emerged that Shindand plays host to the secret UAVs, which had previously only been known to fly out of Kandahar air base.The facility’s remoteness and proximity to the border with Iran makes it the perfect location for a variety of ops against Tehran. In fact, its one of the few major U.S. bases that doesn’t appear to be updated when veiwed through satellite viewers like Google Maps. Even the sensitive U.S. facilities in the UAE show plenty of Western jets parked on their ramps. Meanwhile, updated (albeit grainy) images of Kandahar Airport, where the RQ-170 likely takes off from for missions over nearby Pakistan, are easily viewable in Google Maps.
Do a quick Google Image search for Shindand and you’ll see plenty of images of everything from AH-64 Apache helos, F-15E Strike Eagles and C-17 Globemasters (shown above) to Afghan air corps Cessna Caravans and even old MiG-21s operating out of the base.Shindand’s remote location even made it the ideal ground for the Soviets to test out their VTOL fighter, the Yak-38 in 1980.In any case, as long as tensions between the U.S. and Iran remain high, you can bet that Shindand will remain important.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Jan 2012 10:13

Pakistan: An unforgiveable sin
(Poaqs are going down in fast spiral. Next year they have to pay bakc 10billion. Halat Khasta Ho rahi hai )
http://www.speroforum.com/a/JQFXEJYGTR1 ... veable-sin

Kazmi said 1,210 bodies of dead infants were found last year - compared to 999 in 2009. “The reasons are linked to mindset and to poverty,” he said. While the Edhi Foundation places cradles outside the orphanages it runs, and urges people to leave babies in them rather than kill them, only a few choose to do so. According to the Foundation, about 200 babies are left each year in the 400 cradles it puts out nationwide with signs urging parents to use them. Since children born out of wedlock in this conservative society are at greater risk of infanticide, the Foundation encourages the placing of such children with responsible surrogate parents. “These children are innocent,” said Kazmi.The Foundation also collects its data mainly from larger cities. It is unknown how many other deaths may be taking place in rural areas, or regions in the tribal areas and Balochistan and Sindh provinces where official figures show poverty is highest.The mothers themselves wish to save the children but they also see the economic struggle of their families in a time of growing inflation “The number of tiny babies we bury is increasing. In some cases the neck or wrists have been slashed open,” said Muhammad Taufiq, a gravedigger in Lahore.“I have had women who are pregnant come to me crying, because their husbands or in-laws say any baby born must be killed since they cannot raise it. I can do little to help, since abortion is illegal in the country, and for various cultural reasons the use of birth control is far too low, though many woman want to use it,” said gynaecologist Faiqa Siddiq who works at a charitable clinic for women. According to data from the Federal Bureau of Statistics reported in the media, non-perishable food items saw price rises of 11.83 percent in the year to November 2011. Other percentage increases during the year were: tomatoes (42.02), spices (36.37), fresh fruit (29.62), betel leaves and nuts (24.56), condiments (23.50), milk (21.11), milk products (20.47), beverages (19.79), cooking oil (19.56), and meat (19.35).“Times are becoming harder and harder. I have just given birth to my fourth child. We will do all we can to raise the children, and murder of course is an unforgivable sin, but sometimes I understand the despair of parents who do so,” said Safia Bibi, a washerwoman whose husband is an odd-job man. The family earns a monthly income of Rs. 6,000 ($70). “The children go barefoot because just feeding them is next to impossible. We survive mainly on `roti’ [bread] and pickles,” she said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2012 11:45

joygoswami wrote:Remembering Salmaan Taseer
By Pervez Hoodbhoy
01/01/2012

The Hindu has published a modified version of the above in today's paper. It has carefully edited out those portions about the kutbah and how and why they need to be monitored. Hoodbhoy has referred to the practice in Egypt. Pakistan's desert brother KSA has also a similar requirement of the sermon getting an approval before being given on Friday afternoon.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 04 Jan 2012 12:39

The lemmings (or is it sewer rats?) are getting ready to jump off the ship...

I have never seen a people so despondent. They cannot even find a single positive news item in 2011! Interesting to note that most pack heat while going out on the street (per Hasan Nisar)!

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Dronacharya, please rain your bountiful blessings on this quam for 2012.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2012 13:37

RCase wrote:I have never seen a people so despondent. They cannot even find a single positive news item in 2011!

To be honest, any positive news in the previous 64 years was fabricated and never true.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 04 Jan 2012 13:55

Pak celebrities make beeline for Bollywood

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 356471.cms

Film-maker Mahesh Bhatt said, "In the season of hate targeting a Pakistani entertainer is profitable. It gets you instant attention. However, the situation has drastically changed now. Pakistan is no longer heading our hate list.

What did I miss !! Did poakistan break up ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Jan 2012 14:33

Rajdeep wrote:Pak celebrities make beeline for Bollywood

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 356471.cms

Film-maker Mahesh Bhatt said, "In the season of hate targeting a Pakistani entertainer is profitable. It gets you instant attention. However, the situation has drastically changed now. Pakistan is no longer heading our hate list.
What did I miss !! Did poakistan break up ?

love talk, from one paki to another.

As if we were short of third grade film artistes!! and needed to import them

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Jan 2012 14:43

Shriman Mahesh Bhatt is speaking. What else did you expect?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 04 Jan 2012 15:14

Pak Seeks Documents Found at Osama's Compound

A commission investigating Osama bin Laden's presence in Pakistan and the covert US raid that killed him has asked the government to give it access to 187,000 documents, including diaries and letters, found at the slain al-Qaeda leader's compound in Abbottabad.
The commission intends to analyse these documents, which are being translated from Arabic by security agencies, before finalising its report.

The documents and some computer discs were found in a three-storey building in bin Laden's compound after he was killed by US Special Forces on May 2, media reports said today.

The commission believes these documents are in the custody of the ISI , the reports quoted sources as saying.

The process of translating the Arabic documents has begun and might take two to three months to be completed.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 04 Jan 2012 15:20

Taseer’s killing — symbol of a withering state

The man who killed Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer on January 4, 2011 is a symbol of many things that have gone wrong in Pakistan. He stands for subversion of the rule of law in the name of religious passion; he symbolises disregard for the code of professional conduct and institutional discipline under the garb of a self-declared war between religion and its real or imagined challengers; and, most essentially, his conduct is an affirmation of the state’s failure to regulate the society through constitutional, legal and administrative means.

Mumtaz Qadri, who pulled out his official gun and emptied it on Taseer on that fateful day in the capital, was so consumed by his religious frenzy that he decided to act as the prosecutor, the judge and the executioner all rolled into one to punish the governor for raising his voice for a woman convicted under the blasphemy law. Never mind he turned his back on his professional duty and official responsibility by killing the same man he was assigned to protect. In his self-assumed role as a protector of religion, he conveniently forgot that he had a covenant with the state as its employee and its representative to protect its citizens. His public reception as a hero betrayed the dangerous, near fatal, readiness among large sections of the society, including lawyers, to undermine, even pull down, the state and its institutions, including the courts, at the altar of controversial beliefs and debatable edicts. Such a slaughter is, slowly but surely, leading Pakistan to a situation where chaos and anarchy are the only option and nihilistic religious fanaticism the only thing to govern our personal and collective conduct.

Read the full article.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 04 Jan 2012 15:21

Nato supply containers at Chaman start returning to Karachi

Due to security threats and intensity of weather, the Nato supply containers stranded at Chaman Border terminal due to closure of supplies for Nato forces in Afghanistan, have started returning to Karachi.

Amid pressure from the masses and political forces, government has not yet succeeded to decide about the future of Nato supplies.

Frontier Corps (FC) spokesman confirmed that Nato containers stranded at Chaman border terminal have started leaving back for Karachi in the form of convoys.

It should be mentioned that Pakistan had stopped Nato supplies through Chaman and Tourkham border after Nato strikes on Salala check post in Mohmand Agency on Nov 26, killing 26 Pakistani soldiers

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 04 Jan 2012 15:39

Got contents of this by email
http://www.viewpointonline.net/reflections-by-an-ex-army-officer.html

This distrust of the civilian populations was one of the strategies employed by the British to train their officers and men and seems to have been incorporated within the Pakistan army seamlessly. Thus, in a way, the old imperial attitude lives on in the rank and file of Pakistani sahibs, long after the empire has ceased to be.

As the officers move through the system of promotions, the degree of their sense of entitlement and their aversion to any kind of civilian oversight increases exponentially.

... it always made me wonder as to how is it possible for a serving general to act as a politician while his junior officers were not even permitted to speak on the subject of politics.

The first group to be appeased is the corps commanders, who are rewarded heavily for their loyalty.

On lower levels, steps are also taken to keep the lower ranks loyal by introducing various “welfare” schemes that involve cheaply available plots, salary and pension increases, foreign assignments, and civilian appointments of retired officers.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 04 Jan 2012 15:54

RCase wrote:The lemmings (or is it sewer rats?) are getting ready to jump off the ship...

I have never seen a people so despondent. They cannot even find a single positive news item in 2011! Interesting to note that most pack heat while going out on the street (per Hasan Nisar)!

These people look ripe for turning to Indic thought-streams.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 Jan 2012 16:21

chetak wrote:love talk, from one paki to another.

As if we were short of third grade film artistes!! and needed to import them

I think there is some scope for Paki actors in Indian Cinema. Because Paki men are so hideous and grim-looking, they can roles as the villains of the film. Of course, not any prominent villain role but they can play his sidekicks.

Pakistani actresses have a problem with looks. They don't look feminine and sexy, but rather they look like Mr. Hina Rabbani Khar - like drag queens! Despite an overwhelming majority of Pakistani females looking like males, one could find a few pearls here and there, and they can get roles where there is a script requirement that women bare a lot. Baring would help compensate for their manly facial looks. Pakistani "actresses" should not be given a renewal of visa, if they haven't done at least a photo-shooting where they have done some baring, and that too in their very first visit to India! Strict Visa Rules!

On second thoughts, no need to give the Pakis any money. Let them rot in their hellhole!

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 04 Jan 2012 16:32

Raja Bose wrote: Arrey why is it puke worthy? It is best to smile while shoving a danda thru other means. The poor Paki is groveling in front of the SDREs for some pieces of free adulation. Ofcourse being true Paki they will always bite the hand that feeds them (remember that pompous arse Ali Zafar from the movie MBKD) but that's par for the course. Best is to trumpet these proclamations that "Yes, we definitely want to go to Pakistan" and when time comes to make good, say "We really really want to but you guys have this piddly little terrorism problem which is causing us to wet our dhotis since we are SDRE onlee unlike you TFTAs. What to do onlee saar???"

True..this is Taqiya onlee..desi style..

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 04 Jan 2012 16:33

RajeshA wrote: Despite an overwhelming majority of Pakistani females looking like males, one could find a few pearls here and there, and they can get roles where there is a script requirement that women bare a lot. Baring would help compensate for their manly facial looks. Pakistani "actresses" should not be given a renewal of visa, if they haven't done at least a photo-shooting where they have done some baring, and that too in their very first visit to India! Strict Visa Rules!

In 6 months we will see reports of casting couch practices in Bollywood on undy teebee by pardha dutt and how Pakistani actresses were harassed sexually by everyone from light boys to producers.
I feel sorry for them already.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 04 Jan 2012 16:35

If I leave my house, I fear I will be killed

In an exclusive interview with The Daily Telegraph on Tuesday, he said he has been branded a 'traitor' and a 'Washington lackey' by 'powerful quarters' – a reference to the country's powerful ISI intelligence agency – and that he now fears he will be murdered like his friend, the late governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer, who was shot dead by one of his own security guards last year after being branded a 'blasphemer.'

Friends of Mr Haqqani said he has been alarmed by repeated suggestions that "his noose is tied" or that he may turn "approver" and give evidence implicating President Zardari in the affair in exchange for immunity.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 04 Jan 2012 16:42

Musharraf to meet King Abdullah to seek guarantees

ISLAMABAD: Former dictator General Pervez Musharraf will meet Saudi King Abdullah, reportedly on January 22, after his similar contacts with senior officials in Washington to seek foolproof guarantees from President Zardari and Army Chief General Kayani before announcing his return to Pakistan.

One of his close associates and American-Pakistani businessman Dr Raza Bokhari is also meeting US Ambassador Cameron Munter here on Wednesday afternoon to ensure that Musharraf is not arrested upon his return to Pakistan or prosecuted for any of the crimes he has committed during his military rule.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 04 Jan 2012 16:50

SC issues contempt notices

The Supreme Court on Wednesday issued contempt of court notices to Pakistan People's Party (PPP) leaders including Senator Babar Awan, Khursheed Shah, Firdous Ashiq Awan and Qamar Zaman Kaira over derogatory remarks against judiciary in a press conference held on January 01.
Earlier, the apex court had sought Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's response over the press conference in which he "ridiculed" the Supreme Court of Pakistan after initial proceedings in memo case petitions.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 Jan 2012 16:50

Altair wrote:In 6 months we will see reports of casting couch practices in Bollywood on undy teebee by pardha dutt and how Pakistani actresses were harassed sexually by everyone from light boys to producers.
I feel sorry for them already.

When they come over, they would know exactly what they want and what they need to do! I don't think they will make too much of a hue and cry, because they want to succeed. They will give nice interviews extolling about the freedom that India offers and continue to bare and show the middle finger to Pakistani Mullahs, aka Veena Malik!

The more Veena Maliks that succeed in India, the more Pakistani girls would find India attractive. We should never fawn over Pakistani actresses but we should allow them to show off their success in India, .... and to bare! Not just Pakistani actresses, we need to show photos and interviews of Pakistani parents of those Pakistani actresses, who are happy that their daughters are doing well in India. We need to show those Pakistani actresses are making their parents happy too by earning for them, and improving their social status.

Let's make India the wet dream of every single Pakistani girl.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2012 17:15

kenop wrote:Got contents of this by email
http://www.viewpointonline.net/reflections-by-an-ex-army-officer.html
The first group to be appeased is the corps commanders, who are rewarded heavily for their loyalty. . . On lower levels, steps are also taken to keep the lower ranks loyal by introducing various “welfare” schemes that involve cheaply available plots, salary and pension increases, foreign assignments, and civilian appointments of retired officers.

kenop, the Pakistani military, recognizing that ‘land means power’ in Pakistan. has been using it to reward its officer cadres and thus has created a neo feudal class. Dr. Ayesha Siddiqa’s book, “Military Inc: Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy” vividly portrays this aspect. Those Army Generals and other officer - the chief among them being Gen. ( r ) Moinuddin Haider, a former Corps Commander of Lahore and then Governor of Sind and Interior Minister of Pakistan under Musharraf’s military rule, who had been given large tracts of lands and who is generally referred to as the ‘lumbardar’ of Army generals - in the Cholistan desert even demanded that the Chashma-Jhelum Link Canal to bring waters to these lands.

Then, there are the financial misdeeds of Pakistani armed forces especially through its non-military business activities. Dr. Siddiqa defines 'Milbus' as military capital used for the personal benefit of the military fraternity. It refers to all activities that transfer resources from the state to an individual or a group within the military. The beneficiaries are primarily officers, both serving and retired, but the author says the 'Milbus' harvest is reaped by a wider circle of civilian businessmen and politicians too who have decided in their own interests to play the game. This is another reason why several (if not most) politicians lend support to the military even though its performance is as bad as, if not worse than, the politicians. The PA's Fauji Foundation, National Logistics Cell and the Frontier Roads Organization, PAF's Shaheen Foundation and the PN's Bahria Foundation are all sources of huge perennial income for the officers.

But the biggest and the most visible perk is the rural and urban land given out to serving and retired officers. They also get subsidies and other benefits to develop the land. The estimated worth of the legally acquired assets of Pakistan's generals, says Ms. Siddiqa, is in the range of $ 2.59 million-$ 6.9 million, based primarily on the value of rural and urban properties of these new land barons. The Pakistan military, as a single group, owns more land than any other institution or group, amounting to about 12 per cent of total state land. And unlike other state institutions, the military can convert this land for private usage. Farmland has been converted into land for laying golf courses or residential housing schemes. Of the 11.58 million acres of land under its control, more than half is owned by individual members of the armed forces, mainly officers. Agricultural land is regularly transferred from provincial governments to the Ministry of Defence, which is finally responsible for dividing the total land acquired at a given time amongst the three services, which then redistribute it among their individual members. Land entitlement varies from 240 acres for generals to 100 acres from lieutenants to majors to 32 acres for non-commissioned officers (NCOs). Many officers receive more than one urban plot of land. In 1994, eight such plots were allotted to the then DG ISI. She notes that Gen Pervez Musharraf bought farmland in Islamabad for Rs 40 million and a former DG ISI made Rs 100 million through the sale of his farmland.

I think one can go on and on, but after some time, it gets boring. So, I will stop here.

anandsgh · Post by **anandsgh** » 04 Jan 2012 17:43

pankajs wrote:If I leave my house, I fear I will be killed
In an exclusive interview with The Daily Telegraph on Tuesday, he said he has been branded a 'traitor' and a 'Washington lackey' by 'powerful quarters' – a reference to the country's powerful ISI intelligence agency – and that he now fears he will be murdered like his friend, the late governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer, who was shot dead by one of his own security guards last year after being branded a 'blasphemer.'
Friends of Mr Haqqani said he has been alarmed by repeated suggestions that "his noose is tied" or that he may turn "approver" and give evidence implicating President Zardari in the affair in exchange for immunity.

Same Report in Rediff also.
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/husai ... 120104.htm

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Jan 2012 17:47

And our Army chief gets a boot in his backside a year earlier by comparison!

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 04 Jan 2012 17:58

A Bakistani state of mind

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Jan 2012 18:29

pankajs wrote: Former dictator General Pervez Musharraf will meet Saudi King Abdullah, reportedly on January 22, after his similar contacts with senior officials in Washington to seek foolproof guarantees

guarantees that sun-roof levers are well oiled and check for malfunction? He should be careful if he sees lots of policemen waiting with water hoses ready in hand..

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Jan 2012 18:34

Philip wrote:And our Army chief gets a boot in his backside a year earlier by comparison!

Pls dont compare..it is good to pay ALL army men and women fairly and properly instead of rewarding a few.

SS garu, has anyone pondered on one aspect of TSPA upward movement? In a military where the very top never retires or fades away (unless delivered a mango crate) and generally survives for years and years, the promotion prospects for corps commanders and ones below must be poor indeed. After all in most organisations you get kicked up and the one at the very top is not moving you get stuck.

Perhaps the 'rewards' are designed to suppress criticism and avoid heartburn and of course, also to avoid some Qadrification by disaffected lower rank officials..

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 04 Jan 2012 18:35

Suppiah wrote:guarantees that sun-roof levers are well oiled and check for malfunction? He should be careful if he sees lots of policemen waiting with water hoses ready in hand..

Will Mush be satisfied with 200% guarantee or will he next rush to china to get another 100%?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 04 Jan 2012 18:35

land grants are a continuation of the old british policy for military service

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Jan 2012 18:37

In the Dawn article on the Pakistani state of Mind, i find the comments section more revealing. Apart from the fact that yes we here at least do know for years that Pakistani's are unnecessarily aggressive quite often, we do fing comments from Indians on similarities once again. But what is interesting is the large number of Pakistani's who have become hopeless about there society. The fact that so many of them are saying they don't want to return to Pakistan speaks for itself.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Jan 2012 18:38

pankajs wrote:Will Mush be satisfied with 200% guarantee or will he next rush to china to get another 100%?

BTW it is his own 'boys' that he is afraid of...what a joke..

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 04 Jan 2012 18:39

Rethinking the Pakistan Plan
by Amitai Etzioni
http://nationalinterest.org/article/ret ... -plan-6285

Essential summary is that China does not need to be contained, and the only way to mollify the Paks is to lean on the Yindoos.

Etzioni has been a member of the think tank elite for ages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amitai_Etzioni

His prescription is nothing different from what the US has been doing for all these decades. They will find that law of diminishing returns has firmly set in.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Jan 2012 19:05

India and Pakistan have been archenemies ever since the 1947 partition. They have fought three major wars and engaged in several armed clashes, including some that have come close to nuclear war. Each nation has supported terrorist acts against the other. And their sizable armies are trained, equipped and centered on fighting one another.

Idiotai is not worth reading after that trash. The US is in a mire in it's relations specifically due to such idiots being 'Elites' amongst their various think tanks and spilling over into the SD and Pentagon.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 04 Jan 2012 19:11

Pranav wrote:Rethinking the Pakistan Plan
by Amitai Etzioni
http://nationalinterest.org/article/ret ... -plan-6285

the only way to mollify the Paks is to lean on the Yindoos.

From your source

Thus, just as it is difficult to see an end to the war in Afghanistan—and the neutralization of the Taliban sanctuaries more broadly—without a shift in the policies of Pakistan, it is equally difficult to envisage such changes occurring without shifts in the Indo-Pakistani relationship.

To simplify what he says
For Afghanistan to be pacified lean on Pakistan.
For Pakistan to be pacified lean on India.

We just need to extend the logic further and point to China. Our Government and babus should not shy away from naming China as the biggest threat to India and demand unacceptable concessions. The rest will follow. The recent example of asking the pakis to begin talk on FMCT to the pakis suggestion on civil nuclear cooperation is a step in the right direction IMHO. We know that paki would never agree to FMCT, at least not at this stage. Was it a surprise that they refused?

There are a set of people who relentlessly push the paki agenda. Instead of dismissing them outright, we should camly use their own logic and tactics to beat them back.