Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

[member_21708]

Rethinking the Pakistan Plan
by Amitai Etzioni
http://nationalinterest.org/article/ret ... -plan-6285

the only way to mollify the Paks is to lean on the Yindoos.

From your source

Thus, just as it is difficult to see an end to the war in Afghanistan—and the neutralization of the Taliban sanctuaries more broadly—without a shift in the policies of Pakistan, it is equally difficult to envisage such changes occurring without shifts in the Indo-Pakistani relationship.

To simplify what he says
For Afghanistan to be pacified lean on Pakistan.
For Pakistan to be pacified lean on India.

We just need to extend the logic further and point to China. Our Government and babus should not shy away from naming China as the biggest threat to India and demand unacceptable concessions. The recent example of asking the pakis to join the FMCT is a step in the right direction IMHO. The rest will follow.

There are a set of people who relentlessly push the paki agenda. Instead of badmouthing them, we should camly use their own logic to hit them.

These people follow order out of chaos policy, first they create chaos and then impose their order. pakistan is their client state which is used to create chaos in the region and then they send in the troops to impose order. no decisions will be taken by them which are contrary to OOOC policy. talking calmly to a pawn on the chessboard wont make him change his move, the player who moves the pawn needs to be dealt with.

[Altair]

Let's make India the wet dream of every single Pakistani girl.

Like America for Eastern block girls in their puberty.

[JE Menon]

In the Dawn article on the Pakistani state of Mind, i find the comments section more revealing. Apart from the fact that yes we here at least do know for years that Pakistani's are unnecessarily aggressive quite often, we do fing comments from Indians on similarities once again. But what is interesting is the large number of Pakistani's who have become hopeless about there society. The fact that so many of them are saying they don't want to return to Pakistan speaks for itself.

Here is one comment:
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Ali says:
Today at 5:35 pm (1 hour ago)

@Saleem – Hindus are a tolerant lot even though being a majority in India and thats the reason why all of them(including muslims) are so closely knit and leave in peace and harmony.. I know there are some fanatics on indian side as well though they are evenly negated by the sane minded people which are in bunch. The educated lot fights for the rights of every common citizen irrespective of their religion hence we see a upward trend in india’s growth. I hope to see our beloved pakistan on the same path in the near future. hope floats.
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Fortunately, the only thing floating now is Pakistaniyat

[archan]

Musharraf to meet King Abdullah to seek guarantees

ISLAMABAD: Former dictator General Pervez Musharraf will meet Saudi King Abdullah, reportedly on January 22, after his similar contacts with senior officials in Washington to seek foolproof guarantees from President Zardari and Army Chief General Kayani before announcing his return to Pakistan.

Indeed. Just like he ensured "fool-proof" security for Benazir Bhutto.

[Pratyush]

Indeed. Just like he ensured "fool-proof" security for Benazir Bhutto.

What of Zarda.

Every one is thinking that he is dead meat?

[pankajs]

Indeed. Just like he ensured "fool-proof" security for Benazir Bhutto.

After all the recent "halla-gulla" inside Pakistan, the ex-TSPA chief begs the US of all countries, for protection from TSPA-ISI combo!

[Lalmohan]

haqqani's survivability will be an interesting test case...

[pankajs]

He is finished. The establishment has already branded him a traitor.

[ramana]

guarantees that sun-roof levers are well oiled and check for malfunction? He should be careful if he sees lots of policemen waiting with water hoses ready in hand..

Will Mush be satisfied with 200% guarantee or will he next rush to china to get another 100%?

And then to Delhi for the baki 100% to make full total of his usual 400%!

What a cretin.

[Anujan]

Pakis are picking up a kerfuffle with Iran. Don't know if it is due to their usual pakistaniyat or if it is a brilliant attempt to rafhet ratchet up tensions with Iran to get baksheesh and arms from unkil.

[pankajs]

And then to Delhi for the baki 100% to make full total of his usual 400%!

What a cretin.

Seriously! What does the US see in him that they are still willing to do business with him? He is the guy who hid OBL.

[ramana]

...
The PA's Fauji Foundation, National Logistics Cell and the Frontier Roads Organization, PAF's Shaheen Foundation and the PN's Bahria Foundation are all sources of huge perennial income for the officers.

But the biggest and the most visible perk is the rural and urban land given out to serving and retired officers. They also get subsidies and other benefits to develop the land. The estimated worth of the legally acquired assets of Pakistan's generals, says Ms. Siddiqa, is in the range of $ 2.59 million-$ 6.9 million, based primarily on the value of rural and urban properties of these new land barons. The Pakistan military, as a single group, owns more land than any other institution or group, amounting to about 12 per cent of total state land. And unlike other state institutions, the military can convert this land for private usage. Farmland has been converted into land for laying golf courses or residential housing schemes. Of the 11.58 million acres of land under its control, more than half is owned by individual members of the armed forces, mainly officers. Agricultural land is regularly transferred from provincial governments to the Ministry of Defence, which is finally responsible for dividing the total land acquired at a given time amongst the three services, which then redistribute it among their individual members. Land entitlement varies from 240 acres for generals to 100 acres from lieutenants to majors to 32 acres for non-commissioned officers (NCOs). Many officers receive more than one urban plot of land. In 1994, eight such plots were allotted to the then DG ISI. She notes that Gen Pervez Musharraf bought farmland in Islamabad for Rs 40 million and a former DG ISI made Rs 100 million through the sale of his farmland.

This fits in with my Kabila model. The land and money allocation is a modern version of the Iqatadari system of awarding land and resources to keep the Delhi Sultanate military leaders loyal to the regime. These Pakis are nothing but mamelukes in suits.

[pankajs]

Indeed. Just like he ensured "fool-proof" security for Benazir Bhutto.

"fool-proof" maybe but "faith-fool-proof"? I doubt.

[nachiket]

Indeed. Just like he ensured "fool-proof" security for Benazir Bhutto.

"fool-proof" maybe but "faith-fool-proof"? I doubt.

Archan's comment was sarcastic. That Benazir was killed by faith-fools is what mushy wants everyone to believe. He was likely involved in it himself. The faith-fools did not make the police hose down the crime scene after the crime.

[pankajs]

I just meant that the fools may spare Mush but not the faith-fools. I see now that the quote may have given a different impression.

[Joseph]

Pak Seeks Documents Found at Osama's Compound
From the same link.

The commission's chief, former Supreme Court judge Javed Iqbal, told a news conference last month that the panel would complete its investigation in December but the body has been unable to stick to this deadline.

In a related development, London-based Muttahida Qaumi Movement chief Altaf Hussain has declined to appear before the commission to record his statement.

"In response to an invitation of the commission for participation in a panel discussion held on December 13, Farooq Sattar, MQM's deputy convener, has conveyed profound regret of Altaf Hussain for his inability to attend the discussion," an official announcement said.

I doubt that the ISI confided in Altaf about the whereabouts of bin Laden, so I have no idea where the commision was going with the invitation to Altaf.

It is also very doubtful that Altaf was included in the Need to Know circle by the Americans planning the bin Laden raid.

[Prem]

Zardari vs Supari Phir Bhi Sunne na Hamari
Zardari: Pakistan Bheekh justice ignoring Bhutto killing

Pakistani President Assof Ali Zardari has accused the country's Chief Justice Iftikhar Sleepaudhry of failing to investigate the murder of his wife, former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.He was addressing party supporters on the anniversary of Ms Bhutto's killing. He pointed to a hearing the Supreme Court has opened over a leaked memo as proof the court has been inconsistent.The memo allegedly asked the US to help Pakistan's civilian leaders to curb the power of the country's military.The scandal led to the resignation of Pakistan's ambassador to Washington and has increased tension between the military and the civilian government, threatening Mr Zardari's position.
Charges
Analysts believe some in the army leadership are determined to ease Mr Zardari out of office before the end of his term.ressure from the country's chief justice over the memo scandal could prove decisive. Mr Zardari spoke to supporters at the Bhutto family burial site in Sindh province, in his first public appearance since questions were raised about his health.

[Anujan]

apparently on the anniversary of Salman taseer waji bull cutlet protestors are protesting and demanding qadri's "holy gun" which gave taseer his 72 !

http://tribune.com.pk/story/316460/prot ... -holy-gun/

[Shaashtanga]

Balochistan: Pakistan's other war
Baloch politicians and leaders share their vision of self-determination and freedom from Pakistani rule.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/alj ... U.facebook

[anupmisra]

Balochistan: Pakistan's other war
Baloch politicians and leaders share their vision of self-determination and freedom from Pakistani rule.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/alj ... U.facebook

Great find. And, the video is definitely a keeper. Watch the pakis justify killings of the Baloch people.

In the narrative, there is a comparison of the baloch struggle with the struggle for Bangladesh. Even though the desired results would be the same from India's perspective (i.e., independence), the Bangladeshi and Balochistani (Kalat) histories are different. Bengali Muslims overwhelmingly voted in favor of pukistan (being the main proponent for that land of the pure) whereas the Balochis did not. For a period of 9 months, Kalat was actually an independent state. Also, please do not forget where the "direct action" call against the Hindus first started. No Hindus died (AFAIK) in Kalat/Balochistan as a result of the partition.

[Prem]

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -for-china
Gen Kayani leaves for China

Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani left here for China for 5-day official visit on the invitation of Chinese authorities. According to ISPR here on Wednesday, he will call on political and military leadership of China during the visit.

[ramana]

^^^ Maybe he is on his visit to get the 100% assurance for Mushy?

[Rangudu]

^^^ Maybe he is on his visit to get the 100% assurance for Mushy?

More likely some sort of tactical brilliance is about to happen - (a) Deposing Zardari with a judicial fig leaf or (b) 26/11 redux or (c) Upping the ante with Unkil

[Rudradev]

^^^ Maybe he is on his visit to get the 100% assurance for Mushy?

More likely some sort of tactical brilliance is about to happen - (a) Deposing Zardari with a judicial fig leaf or (b) 26/11 redux or (c) Upping the ante with Unkil

Quite likely something is afoot. Remember where Mushy was during Kargil, when that "scruff of their necks" phone call between him and Mohd Aziz was intercepted.

Another 26/11 is a definite possibility, and I wouldn't be surprised if there has already been a considerable amount of intel buzz regarding this sort of risk. I visited Mumbai last month; South Mumbai, on a Saturday night (circa 12-1 AM) was absolutely dead. No people on the sidewalks; hardly any traffic; not even the paan-beedi shops were open, let alone bars/cinemas etc. There were well-armed Police naka-bandhis at every major intersection from VT to Worli.

No specific terror threat had been reported in the news to warrant a sudden clampdown, and people who live there tell me that this has been the general state of affairs downtown for several months. In general, I noticed a marked difference from my visits during Nov/Dec 2009 and 2010, when the city was bustling all through the night.

Well, it seems Mumbai at least will be ready this time.

[shyamd]

He's clearly seeking support for something. Today politically politico's are turning against TSPA. Salary increasesfor TSPA. Didnt KSA increase oil subsidies a few months back? He needs to boost morale and make sure no tahrir happens. Another Kargil/26/11? I think its more to do with Iran and the nuke file. Remembr I did say everyone is on red alert for war in the middle east. TSP is integral to defence of GCC. but for all that to happen you need PRC to keep India in check. Wasn't there news that PRC will have bases in Pak?

Thing is if Mushy got an appointment with King A, there must have been something serious (N Deal?) to discuss because normally the political file is handled by the GIP (intel) guys.

KSA, UAE intervention reduced tension between Pakistan Army and govt

By Abdul Hafeez - Dec 28th, 2011 (No Comment)
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Karachi: Tension between Pakistan’s civil and military leadership over the memogate issue has reduced after the Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates governments contacted the PPP government and key opposition leader and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, a pro-establishment Pakistani newspaper reported on Wednesday.

The newspaper in its report said the contacts by the Arab dignities led to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s statement in which he expressed his satisfaction over the General Kayani’s role, a day after he delivered a fiery speech in the parliament, saying there could not be state within state, a direct allusion to country’s powerful military and ISI.

The newspaper reported the Saudis were concerned over the Pakistani government and Nawaz Sharif’s continued criticism of the army. It added that the Mr Sharif held a meeting with a Pakistan Army general in which they discussed situation emerging from memogate controversy.

The paper said the UAE and Saudi Arabia have also expressed their concerns over the Cabinet decision on removing army and ISI chiefs, adding that leaders from both the countries contacted the prime minister and eventually Gilani backed off from his decision.

Quoting diplomatic sources, the paper said that both the Arab countries wanted democratic set up to be continued in the nuclear armed nation, adding that the Saudi Arabia and UAE hailed Kayani’s pro-democracy remarks.

The PPP has changed its attitude and directed its leaders not to issue anti-establishment statements in the media following the messages from the foreign countries,” the report said.

The report further said that President Asif Ali Zardari’s speech in Larkana on the 4th death anniversary of her wife and former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, tried to low the temperature.

[Prem]

Kayani had touched Gillani 3 times in last few weeks and now on to Little Master China . My gut feeling is its regarding Af-Pak. He need new instructions now as AQ , Talibans and Paakibans have now been put under one umbrela.Karzai better be careful before his Paki Aurangjebi Islamic beerathers move in to finish him off.

[surinder]

Also, please do not forget where the "direct action" call against the Hindus first started. No Hindus died (AFAIK) in Kalat/Balochistan as a result of the partition.

B'stan has been actually quite friendly to Hindus. There has been a substantial Hindu presence there. TSP army actually bombed Hindu areas quite mercilessly, targetting them specifically.

Incidentally, many Hindus/Sikhs came from B'stan. Actor Suresh Oberoi came from Quetta.

[Anujan]

^^^ Maybe he is on his visit to get the 100% assurance for Mushy?

More likely some sort of tactical brilliance is about to happen - (a) Deposing Zardari with a judicial fig leaf or (b) 26/11 redux or (c) Upping the ante with Unkil

Talibs have opened an office in Qatar with Paki support. Unkil and Karzai want to negotiate with the Talibs. Some others (Saudis?) and maybe Cheenis want "observer" status.

[Prem]

Itni Dhoor baithy Ho, jarra qarib Aaa jayo
Sherry Rehman calls on the Prime Minister

Islamabad, January 4, 2012; Pakistan’s Ambassador-designate to USA, Ms. Sherry Rehman, called on Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani here today at Prime Minister's House and discussed matters pertaining to her diplomatic assignments in USA
Dhoor Dhoor baithy Ho, Ajeeb si yeh baat hai
Kya yeh pehli Mulakaat hai bi pehli Mulakkat hai?

[Anujan]

Sherry's tenure might be short lived.

[SSridhar]

Musharraf to meet King Abdullah to seek guarantees

ISLAMABAD: Former dictator General Pervez Musharraf will meet Saudi King Abdullah, reportedly on January 22, after his similar contacts with senior officials in Washington to seek foolproof guarantees from President Zardari and Army Chief General Kayani before announcing his return to Pakistan.

Why speak so bravely of sovereignty and how Memogate has led to its loss when a former President and COAS fears for his life and has to seek guarantees from the 3½ ?

[SSridhar]

haqqani's survivability will be an interesting test case...

Which one ?

[pgbhat]

this one....
Pakistan's alleged 'Washington lackey' fears for life

[SSridhar]

Talibs have opened an office in Qatar with Paki support.

Anujan ji, I thought that the Liaison office was opened exactly because both Karzai and the US wanted to thwart Pakistani influence on the Taliban negotiators. Thrice before, Pakistan had created mischief. First it arrested Baradar. Next, it sent an impostor for Talks whom the unsuspecting US SEALs escorted all the way from Peshawar to Kabul. The impostor later turned out to be a Pakistani prisoner. The third and the latest incident was deadly when the ISI sent a 'negotiator' who killed Rabbani.

[pankajs]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/316460/prot ... -holy-gun/

From the article

When the clock struck 4:25pm, the hour marking exactly one year since Taseer was killed, by standing, raising their arms and pledging to follow Qadri “against every blasphemer”.

Allama Muhammad Nawaz Bashir Jalali paid tribute to Qadri for “remaining firm” that his actions were justified and right.

Dr Raghib Naeemi said the “true lovers” of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) would continue “eliminating the blasphemers” regardless of the views of the outside world.

All the while the fools continue to insist that the pakis are ashamed of the murder.

[pankajs]

Revised US ties made conditional on civil N-technology

ISLAMABAD: The Parliamentary Committee on National Security (PCNS) on Wednesday finalised its draft recommendations for new terms of engagement with the United States and the future of Nato supplies from Pakistan. The Committee declared that the basis of the new relationship should be conditional on the agreement to transfer civil nuclear technology to Pakistan so that Pakistan could control its energy crisis.

The PCNS declared that greater access of Pakistani products to the US and European markets should be ensured. The PCNS met Wednesday with Mian Raza Rabbani in the chair here at the Parliament House. According to sources, the committee asked for a complete halt to drone attacks, ensuring respect for national sovereignty and territorial integrity of Pakistan and a guarantee of the non-transgression of Pakistan’s frontiers in the future.

Sources said the draft proposal also sought a complete ban on Nato supplies from Pakistan. It was further said that bilateral relationships should be organised at an equal level and no drone attack will be carried out on the soil of Pakistan in the future.

Raza Rabbani, while talking to journalists after the meeting, said the committee had finalised draft recommendations for new terms of engagement with the US and matters relating to the suspension on Nato supplies. He said the recommendations were finalised through consensus.

To a question about the ISI chief’s meeting with US officials in Doha, Raza Rabbani said that the committee had no knowledge about it and the Foreign Office too was unaware of any such meeting.

Rabbani said the PCNS had summoned the finance minister and his team today (Thursday) to give a briefing on the financial implications on Pakistan if it opted for complete suspension of Nato supplies. “If we feel that any amendments are needed in the draft recommendations after the briefing by the Finance Ministry, we can make changes,” he told the media.

He said the committee had also summoned the secretaries of the Ministries of Defence and Foreign Affairs next Tuesday to share the draft recommendations with them before handing them over to the government to be presented at the joint sitting of Parliament.

And what does the US and NATO get in return? Perhaps a honorable exit.
Are the pakis pushing their luck too far?

[shiv]

Revised US ties made conditional on civil N-technology

ISLAMABAD: The Parliamentary Committee on National Security (PCNS) on Wednesday finalised its draft recommendations for new terms of engagement with the United States and the future of Nato supplies from Pakistan. The Committee declared that the basis of the new relationship should be conditional on the agreement to transfer civil nuclear technology to Pakistan so that Pakistan could control its energy crisis.

This is funny in two ways, but only one of those ways is funny for India.

1. The bluster is for mango Abdul consumption. We are equal to the west and we seek a fair exchange is what Abduls are supposed to believe

2. The West may believe it too.

[pankajs]

Pakistan transformed into a brutalised society

Murders of political leaders are nothing new in Pakistan. Even the Founder of the Nation, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, died under mysterious circumstances. The first prime minister of the country, Liaquat Ali Khan, and twice elected prime minister Benazir Bhutto were gunned down in the Liaquat Bagh, Rawalpindi, while it has been speculated that Prime Minister Hussein Shaheed Suhrawardy and Chief of the Army Staff General Asif Nawaz, a liberal general, were poisoned. The culprits were never apprehended.

Against this backdrop, the brutal murder of Punjab governor and Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) leader Salmaan Taseer by one of his own official guards on January 4 last year was symptomatic of the brutalisation of Pakistani society.

Pakistan was perceived by Mohammad Ali Jinnah as a secular, democratic welfare state, but ironically even when Jinnah was alive his speeches were censored by the Radio Pakistan on the instructions of bigots – and it has been documented by eminent journalist Zamir Niazi in his valuable book, “Press in Chains”.

Sectarianism and ethnicity was promoted by the despotic general and the heroin and Kalashnikov culture replaced the culture of love, harmony and hospitality that earlier prevailed in Pakistan. Right-wing parties such as the Jamaat-e-Islami collaborated with the military general and ‘Jihadi’ forces were promoted at the behest of the US government. It has been documented by the American scholars that the Afghan war against then Soviet Union was funded by drug money. No wonder ex-president Farooq Leghari said on the floor of the assembly that narco-money had penetrated so deep into Pakistan that it could overthrow any government.

Though General Ziaul Haq perished in an plane crash in August 1988, his legacy lingers and a tolerant, multi-cultural, multi-ethnic society has been brutalised so much so that neither the poor nor the elite feel safe. It was against this backdrop that Taseer was gunned down on January 4, 2011, and right-wing extremists raised a hue and cry in favour of the culprit, painting him a hero.

Sadly enough even the liberal forces that happen to be the silent majority turned a blind eye to the brutal murder of Taseer. One could hardly deny that the vast majority of silent spectators or liberals in Pakistan have been held hostage by a miniscule group of Mullahs because they have been better organised and armed to the teeth since Zia’s era.

The faith-fools have the fools by their tails, the reason for all this "rona dhona".

[Dilbu]

Kayani off to China to buttress defence ties

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani left for China on Wednesday in what is seen as a crucial development in the backdrop of changing security dynamics in this region.

An official statement says General Kayani left for Beijing on a five-day official visit at the invitation of Chinese authorities. The event is widely seen in sequel to Pakistan’s initiative for reviewing rules of engagement with the US amid its ongoing row with the Western military alliance just days after Pakistan’s military rejected the findings of a NATO launched probe into Mohmand Agency attack on two military pickets in November last year.

Some important defence pacts consensus on which is likely to be arrived at during the aforesaid visit include Pak-China border security cooperation, proposed anti-drug trafficking measures and joint military exercises.

In addition, it is learnt, the Pak-China border security cooperation entails bilateral agreements on joint border patrolling, surveillance and intelligence information exchange to stop the infiltration of illegal immigrants from both sides of the Gilgit-Baltistan-Xinjiang border and bilateral understandings on defence production.

Military cooperation in this regard is reportedly finalised between China‘s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) and Northern Light Infantry (NLI), an operational regiment of Pakistan Army deputed in Gilgit-Baltistan.

The proposed enhanced cooperation between PLA and NLI is widely perceived as part of Pakistani security establishment’s counter narrative strategy against its hostile relationship with the allies amid the US reported reservations over NLI’s close collaboration with the Chinese Army.

[A_Gupta]

I did not know this till today, but Jinnah actually said that Bengali Muslims are all outsiders and not the original inhabitants of Bengal! I wonder which Middle Eastern country they are supposed to have come from?

http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... -from.html