Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 06 Jan 2012 21:26

SS saar, an article by Shashi Tharoor. Seems to be similar to be speech delivered earlier.

Geography of hope
I write these words in Lahore, in the midst of a brief but hugely interesting visit to Pakistan. As one who has always advocated hard-headed realism in dealing with our neighbour, while greatly respecting Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s vision that the highest strategic interest of both countries lies in development and the eradication of poverty rather than in military one-upmanship, I have begun to think of how much we could both gain if we replaced our current narrative of hostility with one of hope.
What is the way forward for India? It is clear that we want peace more than Pakistan does, because we have more at stake when peace is violated: we cannot grow and prosper without peace, and that is the one thing Pakistan can give us that we cannot do without.
By denying us the peace we crave, Pakistan can undermine our vital national interests, above all that of our own development.
Investors shun war zones; traders are wary of markets that might explode at any time; tourists do not travel to hotels that might be commandeered by fanatical terrorists. These are all serious hazards for a country seeking to grow and flourish in a globalising world economy.
Even if Pakistan cannot do us much good, it can do us immense harm, and we must recognise this in formulating our policy approaches to it. Foreign policy cannot be built on a sense of betrayal any more than it can be on illusions of love. Pragmatism dictates that we work for peace with Pakistan precisely so that we can serve our own people’s needs better.
So we must engage Pakistan because we cannot afford not to. And yet — the problem of terrorism incubated in Pakistan will not be solved overnight. Extremism is not a tap that can be turned off once it is open; the evil genie cannot be forced back into the bottle. The proliferation of militant organisations, training camps and extremist ideologies has acquired a momentum of its own. A population as young, as uneducated, as unemployed and as radicalised as Pakistan’s will remain a menace to their own society as well as to ours.
This is not a counsel of despair. It is, instead, an argument to offer a helping hand. A neighbour full of desperate young men without hope or prospects, led by a malicious and self-aggrandising military, would be a permanent threat to 21st century India. If India can help Pakistan transcend these circumstances and help it develop a stake in mutually beneficial progress, it will be helping itself as well. In such an approach lies the slender hope of persuading Pakistan that India’s success can benefit it too; that rather than trying to undercut India and thwart its growth, Pakistan should look to the advantages that might accrue to it as a neighbour and partner of an upwardly mobile and increasingly prosperous India.
Such an India can build on the generosity it has often shown by extending itself to its neighbour, offering a market for Pakistani traders and industrialists, a creative umbrella to its artists and singers, and a home away from home for those seeking a refuge from the realities of Pakistani life. Sadly India has reacted to 26/11 and other Pakistani provocations by tightening its visa restrictions and restraining other possibilities of cultural and social contact. This may be an area in which risks are worth taking, since the advantages of openly issuing visas and enhancing opportunities for Pakistanis in India outweigh the dangers; after all, the terrorists of 26/11 did not apply for Indian visas before coming onshore with their deadly baggage. It will be argued that Pakistan will not reciprocate such one-sided generosity, but India should not care. Insisting on parity with Pakistan is to bring ourselves down to their level.
Let us show a magnanimity and generosity of spirit that in itself stands an outside chance of persuading Pakistanis to rethink their attitude to us.
The big questions — the Kashmir dispute and Pakistan’s use of terrorism as an instrument of policy — will require a great deal more groundwork and constructive, step-by-step action for progress to be made. But by showing accommodativeness, sensitivity and pragmatic generosity, India might be able to turn the bilateral narrative away from the logic of intractable hostility in which both countries have been mired for too long.
The joker in the pack remains the Pakistani Army. Until the military men are convinced that peace with India is in their self-interest, they will remain the biggest obstacles to it. One hope may lie in the extensive reach of the Pakistani military apparatus and its multiple business and commercial interests.
Perhaps India could encourage its firms to trade with enterprises owned by the Pakistani Army, in the hope of giving the military establishment a direct stake in peace.
The world economic crisis should give us an opportunity to promote economic integration with our neighbours in the subcontinent who look to the growing Indian market to sell their goods and maintain their own growth. But as long as South Asia remains divided by futile rivalries and some continue to believe that terrorism can be a useful instrument of their strategic doctrines, that is bound to remain a distant prospect. If India and Pakistan can embrace an interrelated future on our subcontinent, geography can become an instrument of opportunity in a mutual growth story and history can bind rather than divide. It is a future worth striving for, in the interests of both our peoples.

The writer is a member of Parliament from Kerala’s Thiruvananthapuram constituency


The noteworthy points on the "aman ki asha" track.
1. That Pakistan hold a veto on peace and our progress.
2. We must engage Pakistan without expecting any movement of the terror track
3. we must offer a helping hand and be generous.
4. Integration (cultural & Economic) will yield the desired results
5. The joker in the pack remains the Pakistani Army. So give them a stake in peace.

I disagree with the veto theory and that we can convince joker to smoke the peace pipe by our generosity. History is against such a miracle.

It is not the pakis we have to fear the most, it is our own politicians. I have great faith in the tactical brilliance of the paki. They will keep on slapping our politicians whenever this "aman ka tamasha" get too far off the tracks IMHO. :)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby subodh » 06 Jan 2012 21:35

This tharoor piece..

I am always puzzled when things are framed like this -

'Let us show a magnanimity and generosity of spirit that in itself stands an outside chance of persuading Pakistanis to rethink their attitude to us.'

'But by showing accommodativeness, sensitivity and pragmatic generosity, India might be able to turn the bilateral narrative away from the logic of intractable hostility in which both countries have been mired for too long.'


Beyond the absurd equal-equal - why does he think the above will work, or is even worth trying? there is a 60 year history of this not working - what does think has changed now - that may stand some chance of working now?

and then numbnut statements like -

'This may be an area in which risks are worth taking, since the advantages of openly issuing visas and enhancing opportunities for Pakistanis in India outweigh the dangers; after all, the terrorists of 26/11 did not apply for Indian visas before coming onshore with their deadly baggage.'

What about the many who may have come in on 'temporary' cricket related visas and who subsequently went missing - could they not have been part of the support group for that terror attack, as well as potential future ones?

Tharoor is not a nut - so i am hoping there is some deeper motivation to penning this bs.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 06 Jan 2012 21:44

First of all the guy hasn't gotten any original ideas. The title itself is a rip off of Ombaba's book.
Secondly TSP doesn't hold back India any longer. Operation Vijay and later Parakram have shown India can take apart the TSPA in a straight fight without using nukes.

Op Vijay led to the TSPA pulling a coup in 1999 on Badmash to save their sorry reputation.
Op Parakram eventually led to undoing the coup by exiling the coup leader to wilderness abroad and afraid to return to TSP.
Mushy is in "Ashwattahma" status as a wanderer and runs from pillar to post seeking 200% guarantees unlike his earlier 400% guarantees.


Next time it will be for real and all the Uncles and Dragons won't be able to put Humpty Dumpty together again.

Saddam's Iraq and Gaddafi's Libya are precedents for such actions.

Given a chance the inner nut shows up and confounds us. The inner nut is due to a lack of critical thinking about Indian interests.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 06 Jan 2012 21:46

Suppiah wrote:
ramana wrote:What those Baloch guys need is a game changing rhino hunting rifle.


Why? is the mar-e-momin skin so thick?



No gives it long range and massive punch to kill them dead.
Makes them afraid to go out except in tanks. Right now they move with impunity and commit atrocities on civilians.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby JE Menon » 06 Jan 2012 22:33

>>The title itself is a rip off of Ombaba's book.

Indeed. And it would have been at least useful if Tharoor had bothered to inject some realism into it call it "The Geography of Dope", which would have been much more appropriate for a speech in Pakisatan...

OK, I read that article again - actually, not too bad... It's a very sly piece. Bugger's a snake.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Sanku » 06 Jan 2012 23:11

JE Menon wrote: "The Geography of Dope", which would have been much more appropriate for a speech in Pakisatan....


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shyamd » 07 Jan 2012 00:08

ramana wrote:Altair, Find out which European make. What those Baloch guys need is a game changing rhino hunting rifle.

shyamd, If that happens India should break the chessboard and free the Pak citizens of their oppressors. Breaking the chessboard is like cutting the Gordian knot that keeps India bound.

We can, quite easily. But when the time is right. No interest to break them up, but key is actually supporting civvies vs army. I think as much as Imran Khan is towing the army's line, his position may change once his PM seat is given and if he has enough support will take on the army. He just might be our hope.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby KLNMurthy » 07 Jan 2012 00:14

JE Menon wrote:>>The title itself is a rip off of Ombaba's book.

Indeed. And it would have been at least useful if Tharoor had bothered to inject some realism into it call it "The Geography of Dope", which would have been much more appropriate for a speech in Pakisatan...

OK, I read that article again - actually, not too bad... It's a very sly piece. Bugger's a snake.

Really? I read it and thought it was utterly bankrupt of logic or original thinking. What did you find sly and clever about it?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby devesh » 07 Jan 2012 00:23

Imran Khan is a British/Western plant. he is no hope for India. at best, it will be a learning opportunity for us and in figuring out the interests of Britain.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Nandu » 07 Jan 2012 00:34

Latest from Christine Fair is throwing internet Pakis into a tizzy.

Pakistan's Slow Motion Coup.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 07 Jan 2012 00:41

Yes its in progress. Dus Percenti's case is being considered again by Supreme Court CJ Chaudary's court. What this means is atleast two state pillars of power Army and Judges consider him a liability and are working to remove him without being called coup.
However all this happened due to US rejecting the Dus Percenti offer to make TSP coup proof via memogate.

So its duplititous to bemoan the slow coup underway when it was defacto sanctioned by rejecting memogate offer.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shyamd » 07 Jan 2012 00:58

Ramana ji, interesting. Well spotted.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 07 Jan 2012 01:25

Nandu wrote:What is Mehrangate?

When the brave and proud greener mujahids dispatched a bunch of infidels in the navy base at Mehran and also did a KFC on P3C Orions.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 07 Jan 2012 01:29

Anujan, Thats the PNS Mehran attack not the gate. Gate implies scandal.
The green cant be in a scandal!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 07 Jan 2012 01:44

Anyone here remember that perpetual motion machine invented by a Suarco scientist? Here is more explanation 8)

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/06/new-ways ... risis.html

{First some Djinn fizzyks} It may be that this electro-mechanical device works by tapping into vacuum energy present in superstrings in the other 7.3 dimensions (other than the known four mass-energy space time dimensions).

{And ofcourse some conspiracy} The only permanent magnet motor that was cheap, easy to build and really worked — have been expunged from the literature by the oil, gas, and electric companies as it would decimate their profits.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby anupmisra » 07 Jan 2012 02:22

It's a US CONSPIRACY, I tell you. Paki MotorMas in a Tizzy

Pakistani girls fear US blackmailing

The Pakistani female students, who attended a cultural party hosted by US embassy in November 2011, are concerned over possible blackmailing by the organisers.
:rotfl:
female participants alleged that they had been invited to the party titled “Kuch Khas” (something special) to see Pakistani dance and get information about American universities.
they had been told that their participation would open a way for them to get scholarship of US universities. 8)
However, a US official had told media after the party that they had invited students to the party to improve relations with Pakistani people. :((
US officials had given them alcohol in the name of beverage during the party :rotfl:
most of the female students had faced immoral and objectionable acts in the party after drinking the juice (alcohol)
The female students were forced to dance immorally with the other students and the Americans after the drink
the officials also took their pictures and videos while dancing with the US men and Pakistani students.
The student are worried that the snaps and footage could be used to blackmail them


But, the motormas should not fear. PA is here (to protect their so-virginity):

It is pertinent to mention here that those Americans who were invited to the party were also caught by Pakistani security forces in Rawalpindi city for making snaps and footage of sensitive areas. :P


Benis material, don't you think?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Philip » 07 Jan 2012 02:31

Remember one of our jokers Rama something from TN and his magic herbal fuel? He fooled many a politico and babu.Meanwhile,Gen.Pervert,the Bandicoot,is planning an historic return from his luxurious rat hole in London ,to his rat hole in Pak.Will his return also be similar to that of Bibi's? To prevent just that,he is going to seek guarantees from the Saudis,who seem to wield extraordinary influence over their bankrupt serfs.

Pervez Musharraf to announce date for return to Pakistan
Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's former military ruler, is to announce he has set a date to return to his home country to contest forthcoming elections as a civilian.

By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent
06 Jan 2012
Mr Musharraf will announce his intention to return from London where has been living in exile despite facing arrest on treason charges.

"His return will be announced by video link at a rally in Karachi on Sunday," a source close to the former president told the Daily Telegraph.

He is planning to fly back to Pakistan by the end of January, plunging himself into a political crisis amid reports of an early general election and rumours the military is on the brink of mounting a coup.

The government and army are at loggerhead trading allegations over a memo allegedly sent to US military chiefs by senior officials asking for support to reduce military influence.

Yusuf Gilani, the country's prime minister, has said publicly Pakistan's generals are behaving as though they were a "state within a state".
As rumours of a coup gathered speed, Asif Zardari, the country's president, has been forced to fly back to Pakistan from Dubai where he was receiving treatment for "stroke-like symptoms".

General Ashfaq Kayani, the head of the Pakistan army, rejected coup claims, insisting the army would "continue to support the democratic process".

However the military distrusts both Mr Zardari and the rival Pakistan Muslim League-N, headed by Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister deposed by Mr Musharraf.

Political analysts believe the army command want to back an outside campaign in the elections but it is unclear if Mr Musharraf fits the bill.

While there has been some support to "bring back the general," Mr Musharraf was deeply unpopular by the time he was forced out of power four years ago.

In order to stage a return he would need political support from Middle Eastern countries to help persuade the government to drop the charges against him.

However, there have been reports that the army is backing Imran Khan, the former Pakistan cricket captain who leads Tehreek-e-Insaf [the Movement for Justice] and has staged a series of popular rallies.

Mr Khan is a former supporter of Mr Musharraf who has since become one of his fiercest critics.

Ahmed Rashid, a political commentator, said the country was facing a "multi-faceted crisis", particularly with the economy, but he doubted Mr Musharraf could make a comeback.

"I don't think he has enough people supporting him and he would probably be arrested," he said.

Mr Musharraf launched his own political party, the All Pakistan Muslim League, in London in June 2010 and told the Daily Telegraph last year: "Pakistan is suffering. The people are extremely alive now that something has to be done in Pakistan. The youth is alive, the educated middle class is alive, they are in a state of shock and dismay over the governance in Pakistan."

He promised a party that was "capable, viable, honest and deliverable internationally." "I am a person who believes if I try and if I'm failing, I will quit," he added. "I have no qualms and no ego. I have governed Pakistan for nine years, very successfully and I have no further ambitions, personal ambitions, my ambition is Pakistan." But it is unlikely that Mr Musharraf would be able to claim victory on his own and he admitted: "I am trying to create an entity which can be the third political alternative, whether alone or in coalition with some other like-minded parties."

Mr Zardari took over from Mr Musharraf as the country's first elected leader in nine years following the assassination of his wife, Benazir Bhutto in December 2007.

However his party, the Pakistan People's Party, has become increasingly unpopular as Pakistan faces a economic depression and copes with one crisis after another.

The next government is likely to be decided by smaller parties and Mr Musharraf could play a crucial role in that decision.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby anupmisra » 07 Jan 2012 02:37

Paki motormas at the US Embassy. This proves that the pious ones were forced to drink, dance, cuddle and have a good time. Now watch all the scholarship offers from Ivy Leagues that will come streaming in....:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby hnair » 07 Jan 2012 03:31

These were probably released by khanlanders

Cantonment sistas being with gangsta brothas. And RAPEs dont like that situation. Too much drama being enacted

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Mahendra » 07 Jan 2012 03:37

~Blackmail=black male?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Kakkaji » 07 Jan 2012 05:40

anupmisra wrote:Paki motormas at the US Embassy. This proves that the pious ones were forced to drink, dance, cuddle and have a good time. Now watch all the scholarship offers from Ivy Leagues that will come streaming in....:


OMG! Not only are the TFTA Motormas cuddling with the hated kafirs, they are cuddling with the hated kafirs of the TDTA variety! :eek:

Oh, what a blow to Pakistan's H&D! :((

These wimmens are definitely cutlet material now.

I wish someone blows up these pictures and pastes them on the walls all over Pakhanastan. :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby JE Menon » 07 Jan 2012 05:50

Apparently the bad Taliban have been informed that "once you go black, you never go back" ... Consequently, there are two schools of thought among the young Talibs prevailing now: (1) deal with those who strayed according to Taliban guidelines; and (2) go black themselves. It is said that a large number of Talibs are entertaining both schools of thought at the same time...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Theo_Fidel » 07 Jan 2012 05:55

Punjabi's are called black by TFTA pathans.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 07 Jan 2012 06:22

Razia Sultana redux

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Kakkaji » 07 Jan 2012 06:36

Selected 'Nuggets' from this week's TFT:

Punjab divorce rate rises

According to Nawa-e-Waqt divorce applications have arisen to an all time high at 45,500 at the rate of 15 percent annually. Ninety percent of these applications result in divorces while only five percent cases are resolved through reconciliation. Most of the cases arise because of violence and the gradual breakup of the family system in urbanised Punjab.

Veena Malik unlucky in love

Daily Jinnah reported that Pakistani filmstar working in India disappeared for days and was found without any untoward incident but she explained that she was depressed after she lost her latest boyfriend Ashmeet, an Indian actor. She was actually living with Ashmeet when the break happened after which she became depressed because according to her she suffered two broken engagements and two broken friendships based on love.

Chacha Cricket 'in trubbel'

Daily Jinnah reported that the famous bearded clerical looking cricket fan who appeared in all international cricket matches backing the national team had fallen on bad times as his expectations that he would make some money by becoming an attraction during the matches had not fructified. He was once doing fine at Rs 60,000 salary in Abu Dhabi but decided to earn more as a cricket fan. Because of bad times he has had to sell his house but pins hopes on Imran Khan coming to power and paying him to appear at the matches again.

Wajid Shamsul Hasan defends himself

Daily Mashriq reported that Pak high commissioner to the UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan denied that he had said that the American US raid in Abbottabad to kill Osama was known beforehand to President Zardari. He said what he said originally that it was possible that the top leaders of Pakistan should have been taken into confidence before the operation to kill Osama.

Chief editor to the rescue!

Reported in Jinnah Chief Editor of the paper Khushnood Ali Khan reached Sheikhupura to ask after two sisters who were made naked by three youths and thereafter dragged through the streets of the city without anyone stopping them. The youths were incensed after a quarrel among children and the two sisters were treated badly because they came from a poor family and could not defend themselves. Khushnood Ali Khan went to the home of the girls and gave them a cheque. The crowd gathered there clapped in appreciation.

Mansoor Ijaz agent of RAW and Mossad

`Daily Mashriq quoted veteran politician from Mianwali Dr Sher Afgan as saying that Mansoor Ijaz was an agent of RAW and Mossad and was trying to destroy Pakistan. Also it quoted Maulana Samiul Haq as saying that Taliban did not trust Pakistan therefore the US must talk to the Taliban directly. It quoted Maulana Fazlur Rehman as saying that Pakistan must force Americans out of the Gazi Barotha base too.

Imran for Khilafat Rashida

Quoted in Express Imran Khan said in Gujranwala that if he got elected as prime minister he would spread the system of pure Islam or Khilafat-e-Rashida so that the people got the same kind of justice as under the most respected Khilafat of the truly Guided companions.

Punjabi Taliban attacked Mehran Base

Daily Mashriq reported that a woman terrorist named Sabiha caught by the police in Karachi stated that it was her group of Punjabi Taliban who had attack the Karachi Mehran naval base and Abdullah Ghazi tomb on behalf of Al Qaeda. She said she had herself observed the Mehran Base site before getting her male terrorist companions to go in and attack. She confessed that her group had also blown up the Karachi house of SSP Ch Aslam. Jamaat Islami chief Munawwar Hasan said that Mehran Base was attacked by America.

Army and free plots of land

Columnist Hamid Mir wrote in Jang stated that all general-rulers of Pakistan made the same mistake, as pointed out in Hamoodur Rehman Report after General Yahya. All generals down to Musharraf allowed army officers to buy precious cantonments lands and build multiple houses there after indulging in plot sales. All army officers at the upper level owned many houses but were not able to defend Pakistan properly. When in East Pakistan fighting local uprising, the army looted banks and lost territory to India in West Pakistan.

Imran Khan's wealth

Daily Jinnah reported that Imran Khan owned hundreds of kanals of land plus elegant houses in Islamabad, Lahore and Mianwali. He also ran three foreign currency accounts. He owned 438 kanals in Bhakkar and 78 kanals in Sheikhupura. He owned land and apartment in Islamabad valued at Rs 11 lakh. He owned 300 kanals in Bani Gala, Mohra Nur. He got over 300 kanals as gift valued at Rs 2.5 billion. Total value of assets was declared at Rs 2 crore.

Asange condemns Mansoor Ijaz

Daily Pakistan reported Wikileaks leader Julian Asange as saying that the memo sent to Adm Mullen was fake as also the cellphone record sent by Mansoor Ijaz later was concocted because Ijaz was the owner of a communications company who could cook up the data. In the company owned by Mansoor Ijaz there is a director who was once a CIA agent.


Raw will destroy churches during Christmas

Daily Jinnah reported in advance that RAW had planned to attack Pakistan during Christmas to destroy churches and schools owned by the Christian missionary so that the world could blame Pakistan Army and the Taliban for killing Christians. For this purpose India had infiltrated Raw agents into Pakistan.

Pakistan guzzling CNG

According to Jang Pakistan was using more CNG in vehicles than India if one looks at the percentage according to population. In fact Pakistan was wasting gas by using it in vehicles six times more than India. In all, 3 million vehicles were being run on CNG while 300,000 were equipped with illegal and defective CNG kits.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Kakkaji » 07 Jan 2012 06:41

From the 'Such Gup' section of this week's TFT:

Wedding present

Another close friend of Hubby's is going to be marrying off his son soon, we hear. They say when the young man turned18, Hubby gave him a spanking new Beamer for a birthday present. Wags wonder, now that he's getting married, what great gift might Hubby shower on him on this occasion.

Potohari pop psychology

Aversion to the PPP and PMLN is not the only thing The Great Khan and Canny have in common, we hear. Our mole reports that they also share a pop psychologist, a sort of spiritual guide. The gent is in his early 70s, a former alumnus of Lahore's Government College where he was popularly known as "jogi" and where he was an ace student of English Literature. He has sufi leanings and specializes in face-reading, discussing the dilemmas of his adherents and counseling them. He also advises on what prayers to recite and when. They say he lives simply in a Potohari town and doesn't accept payment for his services. Since it became known that Canny is a devotee, the psychologist has attracted a large following of the brass. And having had the writers Ashfaq Ahmed and Bano Qudsia amongst his adherents, he also has a famous journalist's ear, a man known to be close to The Great Khan. In fact, it was the journo who pointed The Khan in the sufi psychologist's direction.

Have Euros, will spend

A follower of Karachi's Quaid-e-qiwam, in charge of the province's health but not his own it seems, went to Europe recently on his regular treatment-cum-pleasure trip. Our mole says the min went on a 3-day shopping spree in Brussels and spent 287,000 Euros. Later, when the Rooh Afza was flowing, he bragged about it, and divulged the exact sum he had spent.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby KJo » 07 Jan 2012 06:43

Guys, the Pakis are smart. Intense Taqqiyya going on using wimmens. The pure religion prescribes that in matters of Government, wimmens can be used to seksoooual bait to ensnare the Kafir and benefit the momeeen.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Prem » 07 Jan 2012 06:48

Hurd, they played Thumb measuring game behind the Embassy parda. The big Black guy in the photo was the winner chosen by the four Pious after comparing the pictures taken at different time intervals.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shiv » 07 Jan 2012 07:03

JE Menon wrote:OK, I read that article again - actually, not too bad... It's a very sly piece. Bugger's a snake.

:D
Would agree with this assessment. Here's my dissection
As one who has always advocated hard-headed realism in dealing with our neighbour, while greatly respecting Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s vision that the highest strategic interest of both countries lies in development


meaning I have had quibbles with MMS's policy

It is clear that we want peace more than Pakistan does, because we have more at stake when peace is violated

meaning we want peace. Pakis don't seem to want peace but India is better off and would benefit from peace. Pakis have nothing and lose nothing from lack of peace


Pakistan can undermine our vital national interests, above all that of our own development. Investors shun war zones; traders are wary of markets that might explode at any time; tourists do not travel to hotels that might be commandeered by fanatical terrorists.

This is happening to Pakistan also and Pakistan is doing it. :D

we must engage Pakistan because we cannot afford not to. And yet — the problem of terrorism incubated in Pakistan will not be solved overnight.

terrorism comes from Pakistan. Not Cashnere feredom.. Not Hindu terrorists

A population as young, as uneducated, as unemployed and as radicalised as Pakistan’s will remain a menace to their own society as well as to ours.
Pakistan has a young unemployed radical population who are shooting themselves in the musharraf

A neighbour full of desperate young men without hope or prospects, led by a malicious and self-aggrandising military, would be a permanent threat to 21st century India.

He is standing in Pakhanastan and telling Pakis they have desperate and hopeless men led by a self aggrandizing military. +1 to that

In such an approach lies the slender hope of persuading Pakistan that India’s success can benefit it too; that rather than trying to undercut India and thwart its growth, Pakistan should look to the advantages that might accrue to it as a neighbour and partner of an upwardly mobile and increasingly prosperous India.

You morons. We're getting richer. If you had any brains you could do that too.

The article is loaded with innuendo and is hardly a sell out. It is diplomatese of the highest genre.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Rahul M » 07 Jan 2012 07:24

who is canny in the TFT snippet ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Kakkaji » 07 Jan 2012 07:29

Rahul M wrote:who is canny in the TFT snippet ?


Hazrat Sipah-Salaar Saheb :wink:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Nandu » 07 Jan 2012 07:38

Canny = Kiyani

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Airavat » 07 Jan 2012 07:58

Pakistani whines on Sir Creek at the UN

The 96-km estuary separates India’s Gujarat state from Pakistan’s Sindh province. The Indian claims “impinge upon Pakistan’s territorial limits in Sir Creek area and encroach upon its territorial waters, which are within its sovereign jurisdiction,” the letter tells the UN chief. “This encroachment by India in Pakistan’s limits is a grave violation of international principles and established practices and clear violation”.

The articles state that the system of straight baseline may not be applied by a State in such a manner as to cut off the territorial sea of another state form the high seas of Exclusive Economic Zones. “While the Government of Pakistan reserves its right to seek suitable revision of this notification, any claim India makes on the basis of … Indian Notification to extend its sovereignty/jurisdiction on Pakistani waters or extend its internal waters, territorial sea, Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf is, therefore not acceptable to Pakistan …,” the letter added.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Airavat » 07 Jan 2012 08:07

Tempers flare on new provinces

Several MQM and Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) members raised slogans slated with the word “debate” — supporting the creation of Seraiki and Hazara provinces.

Talking to reporters outside Parliament, PML-N's Nisar asked how can a party which has never had a single councillor in K-P or Punjab ask for new provinces in these regions with its leader sitting in London. “The party’s terror can only stay on the people of Karachi… A party in Karachi cannot make provinces in other provinces.”

“If you [MQM] hate Pakhtuns then how you can be sincere in your demands of a Hazara province,” ANP chief Wali questioned.

Responding to the ANP and PML-N’s allegations, MQM parliamentary leader Farooq Sattar said, “His [Altaf Hussain] party is “Pakistan’s party. If we don’t have a seat in Punjab, then don’t forget that you don’t have any support in Sindh either.” :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Philip » 07 Jan 2012 10:45

Shiv,even if one agrees (with scepticism) that MMS was being very sophisticated in his utterings,will any Paki understand the underlying message? They will view it as another timid mouthing from a weak Indian PM.Pak,only understands this kind of lingo-when its backside is buggered or its pocket is "touched" and funds cut off.The US threat to bomb Pak into the "stone age" after 9/11 brought Gen.Bandicoot to his saluting senses immediately.I would far prefer our beloved wimp to take "maun" with Pak.They can then stew in their own juices.

Incidentally,have you seen the condemnable and demeaning retreat by our MEA with regard to the latest Chinese outrage,the denying of a visa to an officer who hails from Ar.Pr.? The MEA now wants to issue him with a passport showing his origin from another state! This then turns them into true surrender monkeys,afraid to stand tall and say that Ar.Pr. is Indian.The PRC mandarins must bbe celebrating in triumph with the white flag being raised by the Indian MEA and our de-facto handing over of Ar.Pr. to China!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby chetak » 07 Jan 2012 11:11

subodh wrote:This tharoor piece..

I am always puzzled when things are framed like this -

'Let us show a magnanimity and generosity of spirit that in itself stands an outside chance of persuading Pakistanis to rethink their attitude to us.'

'But by showing accommodativeness, sensitivity and pragmatic generosity, India might be able to turn the bilateral narrative away from the logic of intractable hostility in which both countries have been mired for too long.'


Beyond the absurd equal-equal - why does he think the above will work, or is even worth trying? there is a 60 year history of this not working - what does think has changed now - that may stand some chance of working now?

and then numbnut statements like -

'This may be an area in which risks are worth taking, since the advantages of openly issuing visas and enhancing opportunities for Pakistanis in India outweigh the dangers; after all, the terrorists of 26/11 did not apply for Indian visas before coming onshore with their deadly baggage.'

What about the many who may have come in on 'temporary' cricket related visas and who subsequently went missing - could they not have been part of the support group for that terror attack, as well as potential future ones?

Tharoor is not a nut - so i am hoping there is some deeper motivation to penning this bs.


Tharoor is a shit, not a nut.

This is exactly how we always and every time, from times immemorial let in the "foreign hordes" enter, get a foot hold and then rape us.

Will we never learn??

Why not try kicking ass for a change?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby surinder » 07 Jan 2012 11:37

Were the Amrikhanis trying to give Canadian Visas? Or is there a new type of visa being granted?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Prem » 07 Jan 2012 12:00

surinder wrote:Were the Amrikhanis trying to give Canadian Visas? Or is there a new type of visa being granted?


Biometrically signed O1 Visa is a special allocation for Poaqs. The invisible ink is non traceable after few moments.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 07 Jan 2012 12:09



I have posted my comments in the IWT thread as Sir Creek is part of the Indus system of rivers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 07 Jan 2012 12:18

B Raman on Kayani's visit to China
China treads cautiously on Kayani visit amidst Pak political storm
As the Pakistan Army confronts the United States on one hand and the civilian leadership headed by President Asif Ali Zardari on the other in a triangular re-assertion of its primacy in strategic matters, China's political and military leadership has carefully chosen to bolster the image of the army as the driving force of the all-weather strategic relationship between the two countries.

This carefully modulated exercise is evident from the reports emanating from Beijing on the six-day visit of Pakistan's Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to China, which started on January 4.

General Kayani has already had some high-profile engagements in Beijing -- including a well-publicised 75-minute meeting with Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, another meeting with China's Defence Minister General Liang Guanglie, and discussions with senior officers of the People's Liberation Army.

Attempts have been made by Chinese and Pakistani sources to underline the fact that this is General Kayani's third visit to China as the COAS in an apparent bid to discourage speculation connecting the visit with the Army's confrontation with the US on one hand and the elected Pakistani civilian leadership on the other.

Despite this, it is significant that the reported remarks of Wen in his discussions with Kayani as disseminated by the official Xinhua news agency highlighted the role of the Pakistan Army in strengthening the strategic relationship between the two countries.


The Xinhua despatches, as carried by the Party-run People's Daily and the PLA Daily, quoted Wen as having stated as follows: 'The premier said Pakistani armed forces have made important contributions toward maintaining bilateral relations and boosting the Pakistan-China strategic cooperative partnership. He pledged to support stronger military exchanges and cooperation between both countries.'

In the past, Zardari had made frequent visits to China ostensibly for studying the Chinese model of development. These visits and his interactions with Chinese leaders and officials had created an impression that the Chinese felt comfortable with his leadership in Pakistan and would not like it to be disturbed.

The reports emanating from Beijing so far on the visit of Kayani and his interactions with Chinese leaders and PLA officers clearly indicate an attempt by the Chinese, to the satisfaction of Kayani, to underline the continued importance attached by them to the role of the Pakistan Army in strategic matters.

While the Chinese have avoided saying anything that might be construed as marking a distance from Zardari, who is perceived by the Pakistan Army as being 'soft' to the US, it is clear that the Chinese feel that it would be in their interest if the Pakistan Army maintains its primacy in strategic and national security matters.

The Xinhua despatches have also reported as follows: 'Kayani, who is currently on a six-day visit to China, expressed gratitude for China's efforts to aid Pakistan's economic growth and social stability, as well as China's support for Pakistan's efforts to maintain its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Developing the Pakistan-China strategic cooperative partnership is a cornerstone of the foreign strategies of both countries, Kayani said.'

There is a significant difference in the report on Kayani's talks with Wen as put out by the government-run Associated Press of Pakistan and Xinhua. The APP report said, 'Premier Wen said that China and Pakistan support safeguarding of each other's core interests and thanked Pakistan for its people's consistent stand on Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang.'

There is no reference in the Xinhua despatches put out so far about the Chinese support to Pakistan's core interests as claimed by the APP. While there have been no references to Pakistan's relations with India and the US in the reports on the visit emanating from Pakistan as well as China, it is to be noted that the burden of Kayani's remarks in Beijing as reported by the Pakistani media has been on Pakistan's interests in Afghanistan.

The APP has reported, 'Pakistan is pursuing a holistic concept of internal and external security. Pakistan's objective is to see a peaceful and stable Afghanistan. If Afghanistan is peaceful and stable, Pakistan will be the biggest beneficiary, Kayani said.'

The Xinhua despatches do not refer to Kayani's reported remarks on Afghanistan. From a study of the reports on the visit emanating so far, two conclusions emerge regarding the objectives of Kayani's visit: One, to seek a reiteration of Chinese support for the primacy of the Pakistani military leadership in strategic matters; and two, to seek a recognition of Afghanistan as a core interest of Pakistan as a quid pro quo to Pakistan's recognition of Tibet, Xinjiang and Taiwan as the core interests of China.

While going half-way to meet the expectations of the Pakistan Army, the Chinese have taken care to avoid any misperception of their taking sides in Pakistan's differences with the US and India and in the internal confrontation between the Pakistani Army and the civilian leadership, particularly Zardari.



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