Managing Chinese Threat

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Must read- talks about Indian strategy. Why we need the Russians and why we use the co-development route. Fascinating read and focuses about the alliance against PRC and why it will never be formal and why India refuses to join overtly.

Luttwak advises numerous govts on strategy

Why China Will Not Become the Next Global Power… But It Could
Article 2 | Volume 1, Issue 4
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Edward N. Luttwak

Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) Washington D.C.

Paradox

Each country and historical period is different at invalidating most analogies, but the paradoxical logic of strategy is always the same — hence the identical prescriptions of Carl von Clausewitz and Sūnzǐ 孫子, greatly separated though they were by time, distance and cultural context. Under this logic, because of the increased resistance evoked by its rising power China could even become weaker at the level of grand strategy because of its own rising strength, a truly paradoxical outcome. That result could at least be moderated if not undone, if China’s rising strength were offset by increasingly conciliatory and unassertive foreign policies. The paradoxical logic thus runs counter to common sense and ordinary human instincts, because there is nothing natural about becoming more humble because one’s power is increasing. Nor is it at all natural to de-militarize, because with rising wealth military growth becomes easier. Hence the paradoxical and unnatural logic of strategy is more often ignored than obeyed — and that is one large reason why history is to such a large extent the record of the crimes and follies of mankind.

Until 2008, however, the external conduct of the People’s Republic of China largely conformed to the “unnatural” rules of the paradoxical logic, as it has been shown in precise detail in the case of territorial disputes. In the years 1960-1965, border treaties were signed with Burma, Nepal, North Korea, Mongolia, and Afghanistan, after the Chinese side conceded 82%, 94%, 60% 65% and 100% respectively of the disputed areas. In 1998, when China was in a far better condition, it conceded 76% of the disputed area to conclude a treaty with Laos, and 50% in a treaty with Vietnam. Boundary agreements were also signed with Kazakhstan in 1994 (with 66% conceded) Kyrgyzstan in 1996 (68%), Vietnam in 1999 (50%) and Tajikistan in 1999 (96%).

It was almost as if China’s readiness to compromise increased with its relative power. By contrast, at sea where China is less favored than on land, the disputes over the Paracels and Spratlys remain unresolved till this day. With India, rival claims were not settled either, but agreements were signed in 1993 and 1996 to set aside those differences to pursue cooperation in other spheres; tacitly, the same was true of the maritime dispute with Japan, in line with China’s overall “Peaceful Rise” 中国和平崛起 grand strategy[ii] (later relabeled with the more emollient “Peaceful Development” 中国和平发展) whose obvious aim was to dissuade resistance, and any coalescence of adversaries.

From 2008, however, there was a drastic change. Perhaps it was caused by the abrupt elevation of China’s relative standing in the world caused by the Western economic crisis, which seemingly validated Chinese practices (The “Beijing Consensus”) while badly eroding the prestige of Western-style Democratic Capitalism. Or perhaps the cause or causes were more complicated than a simple outbreak of hubris, but in any case the consequences were not complicated at all: confident assertions, ironical dismissals, and sharp warnings became more common in the language of Chinese officials commenting on international issues, with much talk of China’s shift from reaction to action, from “rule taking” to “rule-making”. Most publicly, when top Foreign Ministry officials addressed unofficial international conferences, arrogant condescension or outright triumphalism increasingly became their prevalent tone.

More important, China’s long-dormant territorial disputes with India and Japan, were abruptly revived, in addition to the already active maritime disputes with Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam above all. On territorial questions, Chinese diplomacy definitely became more active, and in the case of Japan there was even a dramatic incident at sea that ended with Japan’s humiliating retreat--whose effects on Japanese opinion were magnified by the Chinese Foreign Ministry’s subsequent demand for an apology and compensation. It is as if, contrary to all historical experience, it was believed that such conduct would have no lasting consequences that such incidents would simply be forgotten, and that strong-arm tactics one day could be followed by a nice summit meeting on the next that would expunge their effects. That is delusional.

As for the historical and legal rights and wrongs of these quarrels, they are of course entirely irrelevant in this context. Only the strategic outcome matters: as of now, January 2011, wide segments of public opinion in the countries at the other end of each of these disputes no longer view China’s rise with equanimity but instead with concern, anxiety or even alarm. The governments of India, Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Vietnam are more watchful than before, more focused on security rather than trade and some, howsoever tentatively, are beginning to coalesce against China.

That India, Japan and Vietnam in combination exceed China in total population, total economic capacity, and total technological advancement is not strategically significant in itself because nothing resembling a triple alliance is in sight, nor is it politically plausible.

But then again, no such alliance is necessary. Not coincidentally, each of the three countries has improved its own relations with the United States of late, and the one American talent that cannot be gainsaid is in the careful construction, patient maintenance, and gentle leadership of multi-lateral alliances year after year, decade after decade. The North Atlantic Alliance (b. 1949) is certainly the longest-lived multi-lateral alliance in history, and is served operationally by a standing military command organization (NATO). No similar Asian organization is likely to emerge, nor indeed any kind of formal multi-lateral alliance, but again neither is needed or even desirable. Purely bilateral arrangements would be perfectly sufficient, and would allow others to join in, starting with South Korea.

Moreover, unlike the British who had to make important colonial concessions to construct their 1904 “Entente Cordiale” alliance with France, the United States would not have to sacrifice anything to effortlessly assume the informal leadership of an eventual (and of course wholly undeclared) anti-China coalition, in which its historic “Anglo-Saxon” allies and certainly Australia are also likely to join.

Against such a very broad coalition that need not be cohesive to be capable — a most unusual virtue in any alliance — China has only one certain ally: Pakistan, from whose nationality is as separable as those of Austria-Hungary. Cuba, Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela, and Iran — if still under their present governments — are also likely to rally to China’s side purely in the name of anti-Americanism, but among them only Ecuador is a Pacific power, and not one of the greatest.

Only the addition of the Russian Federation to the Chinese side would have true strategic significance. Accordingly, if China’s conduct persists on its post-2008 path inevitably evoking a coalition against it, Moscow will emerge as the true focus and prize of global diplomacy — even more so because the Russian Federation would bring with it its Central Asian allies.

So long as the West continues to badger the Russian government for being a Russian and not a Scandinavian or American government, China will have a fair chance of success in this contest, even though the Russians too have become its weary and watchful neighbors. For the other side, India may hold the key to success because its successive governments have wisely and very persistently refused to accompany their opening to the United States with the abandonment of long-standing connections with Russia and its military and aviation industries. To the contrary, even as India started to buy US military equipment, adding one more supplier to the fading Europeans and interactive Israelis, it has actually expanded its dealings with Russia’s military aviation industries. India is allocating important sums for this purpose, an excellent investment strategically, because co-produced systems, starting with the successor to the versatile Sukhoi heavyweight fighter, cannot be offered to third parties without the consent of each side.

To be sure, the very meaning of any Great Power strategic alliance is now far different from its 1914 predecessors. Those were veritable military pacts, mutual undertakings to mobilize and deploy combat forces for war. Their purely mechanical interaction could notoriously overcome whatever prudent statecraft remained to stop the path to war. In 2011, prudence is not more abundant, but nuclear deterrence is the sturdy obstacle to any war between nuclear powers, indeed any combat that ranks above a mere incident. It is only as a theoretical end-point of military force-planning that war remains a valid concept within the circle of the greater powers — not as a realistic prospect.

Hence, these days, the defining function of alliances is not to combine combat forces and concert plans to prepare for war, but to the contrary, to dissuade war more broadly, by extending the reach of deterrence from ally to ally. This would also mean, however, that any bilateral crisis with China on one side, would become multi-lateral on the other, expanding the dimension of the crisis and its consequences on broader relations between all concerned. Thus even if war is simply ruled out or, much less realistically, crises are treated as inconsequential incidents, China’s leaders would still have excellent reasons to be greatly concerned by the emergence of any coalition engendered by their own over-assertive behavior and excessively rapid military growth. Strategic alliances of course influence non-military relations as well, including international trade if only in subtle ways. If rival blocs emerge, restrictions on inter-bloc trade would be inevitable if only for dual-use equipment, and technologies, and that is only a start: as of now Chinese-made civilian telecommunications is sometimes rejected for security reasons. Even outright embargos more or less multi-lateral (there are always trade defectors) are a possibility in the event of descents into overt confrontations, as “cold war” substitutes for the impossibility of real war.

Beyond any material consequences, the purely attitudinal effects of worsening strategic relations would be very costly in themselves for the peoples on both sides. Communication and cooperation in all spheres of life would be diminished and deformed in all sorts of ways, atrophying the myriad of individual, familial, institutional, societal and national relationships that have flourished since China rejoined the world after 1976. Thus even the lesser evils of the present drifting to a multi-lateral struggle would be amply damaging for the world as a whole, but more so for a still rising China.

It follows that unless the Chinese government can somehow find ways to assemble an overwhelmingly powerful global coalition on its side, its best option at the highest level of Grand Strategy must now be to de-construct its assertive diplomatic stance over territorial disputes and much else, and decisively decelerate the pace of its military growth.

The latter has become an increasing problem in itself, not so much because of the actual, material, build-up of military strength whose dimensions are not especially immoderate, but because of accompanying displays that are highly provocative. One that preceded the 2008 turning point was the January 19, 2007 destruction of a Chinese satellite in orbit by a ballistic missile. That was not a new capability by any means, but there were no intercepts in space because of their alarming effects on all satellite-using countries, and the noxious scattering of debris in space. The very latest display seems calculated to alarm China’s neighbors: the leaked photos of the J-20 fighter-bomber, whose ultra-modern appearance implies “stealth capabilities”, and whose vast size significantly exceeds that of its largest US counterpart, the F-22 (whose production was stopped because it was “too powerful”), implying a large internal bomb-bay for strike missions. It may be that many years will pass before the J-20 acquires efficient engines and advanced electronics to make it useful for combat, but by parking the aircraft in a Chengdu airfield unscreened from photography, one result has already been achieved: China’s neighbors have one more reason to fear its military growth, one more reason to coalesce against it. Why that should be seen as favorable to China’s overall interests is a mystery.

Perhaps it is delusional to believe that the Chinese leadership can resist powerful emotional impulses and determined institutional interests to instead subject its policies to the iron logic of strategy, with its paradoxical and “unnatural” prescriptions. The rewards would be very great –just as great as China’s comparative advantage in most peaceful pursuits – but there is nothing easy about valid strategic conduct, indeed very hard things would have to be done. In China’s case at this juncture, new declaratory stances with the softest and nicest words in place of arrogance would help, but could not be enough to stop the coalescence of adversarial reactions that is already underway. Nor can disputes be solved by ordinary diplomatic negotiations premised in the usual way on reciprocity and conditionality—to do so would merely open new venues for contention. The only option would be to set aside all disputes that cannot be ended by Chinese concessions (as in the past), or else to give them up to binding international arbitration. The Chinese government might itself assume the highly conducive task of initiating the establishment of an effective arbitration venue, and its modalities, in a very non-provocative transition from “rule-taking” to “rule-making”. This would also be a good opportunity to diffuse the notion of rén (仁).

Most difficult of all perhaps, would be to adopt unilaterally a severe form of self-imposed arms limitation, to retain the nuclear deterrent and “defensive primacy” forces for territorial security, while allowing more offensive capabilities to atrophy, even those that are only offensive operationally, and not strategically. Militarily that would be a retrograde step, it would be unfair, and it would certainly disappoint perfectly understandable and not especially unreasonable military ambitions. But only a recessive military policy, along with an emotionally very unsatisfying emollient diplomacy, could balance the unprecedented magnitude of China’s economic growth and technological advancement, keeping the whole within systemically acceptable limits. The more conventional course of continuing to forge ahead in all directions, hoping that all will turn out well after all, is certainly more natural, and politically infinitely easier. But the logic of strategy is not only paradoxical; it is also cruel to those who hope for the best instead of averting the worst.
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China counter: Arunachal to get mega hydel project
Chetan Chauhan, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, January 26, 2012

China's bid to have big hydel projects along the Indian border in north-east may witness a counter with environment ministry set to approve 1,750 MW Demwe hydel project in Arunachal Pradesh.
China has planned to build at hydel project in Zangmu, 140 km south-east of Tibetan capital city of Lhasa in a bid to tap the hydro potential of Brahmaputra river. The river flows about 1,625 kms in Tibet, 918 kms in India and remaining 363 kms in Bangladesh before submerging into Bay of Bengal.

Arunachal Pradesh government has planned hydel projects on five major rivers in the state, which finally drain in Brahmaputra, to generate over 50,000 MW of power. Many of these projects are stalled because of protest against them in Assam claiming that these projects will dry the river in down stream areas.

But, the environment ministry is likely to approve one of these projects, Demwe Lower hydel project in Lohit district of the state despite it being rejected by the standing committee of the National Board for Wildlife headed by minister in-charge Jayanti Natarajan.

The committee had rejected the project claiming that it will adversely impact wildlife in Kamleng wildlife sanctuary. Contrary to the committee's view, the ministry officials say there will be no submergence of the sanctuary even when the reservoir is full. The project has already received environment and forest approval, mandatory for making a project operational in a forest area.

Natarajan has reportedly decided to issue an order overruling the standing committee's decision after Arunachal chief minister Naban Tuki met her recently. The CM argued that exploiting hydel potential was an important economic incentive of the state, which is required to protect forest covering 70 % of the state's geographical area. Tuki was also of the view that hydel projects in Arunachal were a key to counter China's plans to develop mega hydel projects in Tibet.

Government sources expect the minister to issue an order regarding Demwe project this month paving a way for clearance of more hydel projects in the state.
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China counter: Arunachal to get mega hydel project
Chetan Chauhan, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, January 26, 2012

China's bid to have big hydel projects along the Indian border in north-east may witness a counter with environment ministry set to approve 1,750 MW Demwe hydel project in Arunachal Pradesh.
China has planned to build at hydel project in Zangmu, 140 km south-east of Tibetan capital city of Lhasa in a bid to tap the hydro potential of Brahmaputra river. The river flows about 1,625 kms in Tibet, 918 kms in India and remaining 363 kms in Bangladesh before submerging into Bay of Bengal.

Arunachal Pradesh government has planned hydel projects on five major rivers in the state, which finally drain in Brahmaputra, to generate over 50,000 MW of power. Many of these projects are stalled because of protest against them in Assam claiming that these projects will dry the river in down stream areas.

But, the environment ministry is likely to approve one of these projects, Demwe Lower hydel project in Lohit district of the state despite it being rejected by the standing committee of the National Board for Wildlife headed by minister in-charge Jayanti Natarajan.

The committee had rejected the project claiming that it will adversely impact wildlife in Kamleng wildlife sanctuary. Contrary to the committee's view, the ministry officials say there will be no submergence of the sanctuary even when the reservoir is full. The project has already received environment and forest approval, mandatory for making a project operational in a forest area.

Natarajan has reportedly decided to issue an order overruling the standing committee's decision after Arunachal chief minister Naban Tuki met her recently. The CM argued that exploiting hydel potential was an important economic incentive of the state, which is required to protect forest covering 70 % of the state's geographical area. Tuki was also of the view that hydel projects in Arunachal were a key to counter China's plans to develop mega hydel projects in Tibet.

Government sources expect the minister to issue an order regarding Demwe project this month paving a way for clearance of more hydel projects in the state.
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China plays the bully on Arunachal: Beijing tells Delhi to work out Eastern sector formula.

There were speeches, smiles and the usual chants of Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai after the 15th round of Sino- Indian special representative talks in the Capital in mid-January.

What actually transpired amid this show of bonhomie was that the boundary dialogue ended in a deadlock after Beijing declared it would settle for nothing less than 'its share' of Arunachal Pradesh.Highly placed sources privy to discussions between the two special interlocutors - National Security Adviser Shiv Shankar Menon and his Chinese counterpart, state councillor Dai Bingguoa - said things went off track following some hard bargaining by China.

Beijing had insisted during the meeting that India should first discuss the eastern boundary in Arunachal Pradesh.The hosts were surprised when Dai, couching his query in diplomatic niceties, asked Menon how much territory New Delhi would part with. (The b******s, if the Indian leaders have balls they should ask how much territory in Tibet China would part with) .The intransigent stand adopted by the Chinese was a response to India's proposals for a framework for boundary negotiations that the two countries shared during the border talks.

Menon, a former envoy to Beijing and an old China hand in India's national security set-up, argued that under article 3 of the guiding principles of the Sino-Indian boundary discussions, all sectors (eastern, western and middle) needed to be discussed and a package solution required to be thrashed out. India argued that the western sector in Jammu and Kashmir, which includes the Aksai Chin area, should be discussed along with the eastern portion of the boundary.

Under a previously agreed principle, the two sides had concurred in 2005 that settled population would not be disturbed. New Delhi articulated this, too, at the meeting.But Beijing simply stuck to its guns and told India to first put on the table its proposal for the division of Arunachal Pradesh, specifying the proportion of territory swap.

'The meeting was held in a productive, fruitful and friendly manner,' Menon had said after the two-day session that began on January 16. Speaking at a banquet subsequent to the talks, Dai also struck an optimistic note, saying Sino-Indian ties had made 'substantial progress' and they (the two countries) could 'work miracles' together.The special interlocutor added that he hoped the two nations would never go to war again.

'In the China-India boundary negotiations, although we have not yet arrived at the summit - that is, we have not reached full agreement on the framework of settlement of the border question - yet we have scaled substantial heights and made much progress,' he declared.

The Indian delegation also included foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai, the country's envoy to China, S. Jaishankar as well as the representatives of the ministries of external affairs and defence.

The only forward movement during the interaction was that Dai and Menon agreed to put in place a mechanism for border management to discuss intrusions on the Line of Actual Control (LAC).The mechanism was mooted by Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao during his visit to India in 2010.

The present arrangements under the peace and tranquillity agreement between the two countries include communication channels between local-level commanders along the LAC. The joint border mechanism will focus specifically on how it will function on a routine basis, particularly for taking spot decisions. It would, however, not replace existing border interactions.

This mechanism may create a plan beyond just the maintenance of peace along the LAC that was enunciated by the 1993 and 1996 agreements. In 1993, India and China signed an accord to reduce tension along their border and respect the LAC. The boundary settlement process was originally envisaged as a three-step process.

The first was to establish guiding principles, the second included evolving a consensus on a framework for the boundary and the last step comprised carrying out its delineation and demarcation.

The SR-level dialogue was initially scheduled for November 28-29 last year. It had to be postponed after India and China disagreed over the Dalai Lama's participation in the Global Buddhist Congregation in Delhi on those very dates.

This was the 15th round of boundary negotiations which commenced in 2003 and have remained inconclusive. It came just ahead of a report accessed by Headlines Today that said that over 500 Chinese intrusions had taken place in the last two years on all the three sectors of the boundary.

In fact, allegations of contravention by Chinese troops were common in 2009 and 2010. In 2005, the two sides agreed on political parameters and guiding principles for a boundary settlement, which would form the basis of the final settlement. Insiders say the Chinese gameplan was to put pressure on India to reassert claims over territory.

At the centre of the Sino- Indian boundary dispute is the McMahon Line which the Chinese refuse to recognise. While China claims over 90,000 sq km of territory, the Indian claim extends over 3,68,846 sq km

POINTS OF AGREEMENT
ARTICLE I

The differences on the boundary question should not be allowed to affect the overall development of bilateral relations... Neither side shall use or threaten to use force against the other by any means.

ARTICLE II

The two sides should, in accordance with the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution to the boundary question through consultations on an equal footing.

ARTICLE III

Both sides should, in the spirit of mutual respect and mutual understanding, make meaningful and mutually acceptable adjustments to their respective positions on the boundary question, so as to arrive at a package settlement to the boundary question.

ARTICLE IV

The two sides will give due consideration to each other’s strategic and reasonable interests, and the principle of mutual and
equal security.

ARTICLE V

The two sides will take into account, inter alia, historical evidence, national sentiments, practical difficulties and reasonable concerns and sensitivities of both sides, and the actual state of border areas.

ARTICLE VI

The boundary should be along well-defined and easily identifiable natural geographical features to be mutually agreed upon between the two sides.

ARTICLE IX

Pending an ultimate settlement of the boundary question, the two sides should strictly respect and observe the line of actual control and work together to maintain peace and tranquillity in the border areas.
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shyamd wrote:China counter: Arunachal to get mega hydel project
Chetan Chauhan, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, January 26, 2012

China's bid to have big hydel projects along the Indian border in north-east may witness a counter with environment ministry set to approve 1,750 MW Demwe hydel project in Arunachal Pradesh.
China has planned to build at hydel project in Zangmu, 140 km south-east of Tibetan capital city of Lhasa in a bid to tap the hydro potential of Brahmaputra river. The river flows about 1,625 kms in Tibet, 918 kms in India and remaining 363 kms in Bangladesh before submerging into Bay of Bengal.
Dont understand this counter aspect.
we need hydro projects and AP has plenty to offer. How can it be counter to china.
China's project can create some problems for India as India is a a lower riparian state but not vice versa.
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^^^^ Interesting --
Vipul wrote:China plays the bully on Arunachal: Beijing tells Delhi to work out Eastern sector formula.

Menon, a former envoy to Beijing and an old China hand in India's national security set-up, argued that under article 3 of the guiding principles of the Sino-Indian boundary discussions, all sectors (eastern, western and middle) needed to be discussed and a package solution required to be thrashed out. India argued that the western sector in Jammu and Kashmir, which includes the Aksai Chin area, should be discussed along with the eastern portion of the boundary. 8) (Dlagon will never part with it due to its connections with illegally occupied territories of xinjaing and Tibet).

Under a previously agreed principle, the two sides had concurred in 2005 that settled population would not be disturbed. (Reality speaks for itself- aksai chin and arunachal pradesh :rotfl: )New Delhi articulated this, too, at the meeting.But Beijing simply stuck to its guns and told India to first put on the table its proposal for the division of Arunachal Pradesh, specifying the proportion of territory swap.

'The meeting was held in a productive, fruitful and friendly manner,' :lol:
Menon had said after the two-day session that began on January 16. Speaking at a banquet subsequent to the talks, Dai also struck an optimistic note(musharraf burnt), saying Sino-Indian ties had made 'substantial progress' and they (the two countries) could 'work miracles' together.The special interlocutor added that he hoped the two nations would never go to war again.

'In the China-India boundary negotiations, although we have not yet arrived at the summit - that is, we have not reached full agreement on the framework of settlement of the border question - yet we have scaled substantial heights (trying to borrow phrases from its beggar friend)and made much progress,' he declared.

The only forward movement during the interaction was that Dai and Menon agreed to put in place a mechanism for border management to discuss intrusions on the Line of Actual Control (LAC).The mechanism was mooted by Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao during his visit to India in 2010.

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This was the 15th round of boundary negotiations which commenced in 2003 and have remained inconclusive. :) . (simply chai biskoot sesions onlee)
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At the centre of the Sino- Indian boundary dispute is the McMahon Line which the Chinese refuse to recognise. While China claims over 90,000 sq km of territory, the Indian claim extends over 3,68,846 sq km( china's claim is arunachal pradesh around 90000 sq km, india's claim is aksai chin around 37000 sq km where did the Indian claim extend to over 368846 sq km- i am not complaining, would include uttar arunchal(tibet autonomous region) also in it)
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Based on those agreements, India is not in a rush to sign anything. The expectation is over time the PRC will want to give up this claim. Read the Luttwak article I posted above and see how they have concluded deals in central asia.

Dai's comments on asking India how much we want to give up, thats a classic technique that they want to exploit to get a better result for them.
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Again we see how easily India has not pressed the Chinese jugular. We should have demanded China vacates Tibet. But still we labor under the delusions that since there is some article somewhere which says that settled areas should not be disturbed, China cannot claim Arunachal. Have we so easily forgotten that in spite of the Panchsheel agreement, what happened in 1962?

Sometimes I wonder if the Indian ruling establishment has its head up its arse.
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IAF chief discusses defence cooperation with Malaysia
PTI | 01:02 PM,Feb 03,2012

From Jaishree Balasubramanian Kuala Lumpur, Feb 2 (PTI) Indian Air Force Chief N A K Browne today held wide ranging talks with authorities here on bilateral defence cooperation in a bid to further bolster strong military ties with the key South-East Asian neighbour. "Air Chief Marshal\\'s visit went off very well, it was an extremely positive visit," an official told PTI here. Browne held extensive talks with the Malaysian Chief of Defence Gen Zulkifeli bin Mohd Zin and also with his counterpart Royal Malaysian Air Force Chief Gen Rodzali bin Daud. The Indian Air Chief also inspected a Guard of Honour. India\\'s strong bilateral defence cooperation includes the Indian Air Force training Malaysian pilots to fly Russian Sukhoi fighters. The IAF chief today visited the Gong Kedak airbase, about 500 kms from here, where he was briefed on the operations of the Sukhois. Later he visited a flying school in Alor Star where Malaysian air force officials briefed Browne on the type of aircraft training done there. A team of IAF pilots and technicians were stationed in Malaysia for two years from 2008 to train Malaysian pilots, weapon system operators and maintenance staff for the smooth induction and operation of their then newly acquired Sukhoi-30 MKM fighters. They also helped set up a \\'Systems School\\' for the Sukhoi fighters at the Gong Kedak airbase. Indian naval warships have also regularly visited Malaysia to conduct joint exercises.
INDIA INVITED FOR LARGEST ASIA-PACIFIC MILITARY EXERCISE
NAM NEWS NETWORK Feb 4th, 2012 .

WASHINGTON, Feb 4 (NNN-Bernama) — India is among countries which have been invited to participate in the largest multi-national military exercise in the Asia-Pacific region, which is being held in Thailand from Feb 7 to 17 with an aim to improve capability to plan and conduct joint operations and build relationships, Press Trust of India (PTI) reported.

‘Exercise Cobra Gold 2012′ is designed to advance regional security by exercising a robust multi-national force from nations sharing common goals and security commitments in the Asia-Pacific region.

Full participating nations for Cobra Gold 12 include Thailand, the US, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Several countries which have been invited to participate on the multi-national planning augmentation team included Australia, France, Canada, the United Kingdom, Bangladesh, Italy, India, Nepal, Philippines and Vietnam, the US Marine said in a statement.

Throughout the exercise, US military forces and militaries from several other countries worldwide will conduct field training exercises, involving live-fire training as well as a non-combatant evacuation exercise, a command-post exercise, and humanitarian and civic assistance projects.

It is expected to be participated by about 13,000 forces.

Cobra Gold 2012 will improve capability to plan and conduct combined-joint operations, build relationships between partner nations and improve interoperability across the range of military operations, said the US Marine.–NNN-BERNAMA
India invited by Thailand to partner on development of Dawei port in Myanmar.
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Is the canal project underway in Malaysia?
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ramana wrote:Is the canal project underway in Malaysia?
Do you mean the Kra Isthmus in Thailand?

I think India should support such a venture and even participate in it. Much better control for India on both sides, with Vietnam covering the eastern end.
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Kra Isthmus developed by India, Japan and Thailand would be the ultimate Indian claim to be the central power in the Indo-Pacific. Our Access to Indo-China would neither be dependent on the whims of the Southeast Asian Muslim countries (Malacca Straits) or the whims of Chinese-influenced countries (Myanmar)! We would have undeterred access to the East.

We would be putting up a naval presence there in Gulf of Thailand to protect our investment, of course in cooperation and agreement with Thailand! That naval presence would bring us to the East of Malaccan Straits and in striking distance of "Indo-China Sea" (South-China Sea)! By sharing another naval base with Vietnam in Vietnam, Indian Navy would be plying regularly between the Thailand and Vietnam naval bases, passing through the Spratlys Chain!

That is where India's Far Eastearn Naval Command should be situated!
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Glad you got the hint. Can we explore it in detail.
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India sees new strategic sea lane in Andaman Sea
PORT BLAIR: Indian naval exercises with Thailand and Indonesia are aimed in part at ensuring security for a new sea route linking the Indian and Pacific oceans, a top Indian general said.
Lieutenant-General Aditya Singh also said in an interview the military backs the idea of allowing foreign airlines at its airport in Port Blair, capital of the tsunami-struck Andaman and Nicobar islands, to boost tourism. India held its first naval exercise last week with Thailand and concluded semi-annual exercises with Indonesia. Both took place near the mouth of the Malacca Strait, the main sea lane between the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea leading to the Pacific. Although India is not party to any security arrangement for the Malacca Strait, the immediate purpose of the joint patrols is to prevent smuggling, piracy, drug and gun trafficking, poaching and illegal immigration in the region, Singh said. “But the fact with things like the Kra canal, the Andaman and Nicobar islands will come into play,” he said. Plans to dig a canal across the narrow Kra isthmus in southern Thailand have been bandied about for more than 300 years. The idea has some support among Thai politicians but has stalled over the huge potential costs and environmental impact. A railroad to carry oil across the isthmus has also been discussed.
Singh, who visited tsunami-hit areas of Thailand last week with his Thai counterparts, did not disclose any knowledge of fresh plans for a Kra canal. But a report prepared for US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, leaked to the Washington Post in January, said China was willing to underwrite construction of the $20 billion canal, complete with port facilities, as part of its “string of pearls” strategy of forward bases and energy security.
“So then you have an alternate route for shipping,” Singh said in the interview held late on Wednesday at his headquarters atop a hill in Port Blair, capital of the Andaman and Nicobar islands. “It will be like another Suez Canal.” Ships destined for the proposed 100-km (60-mile) Kra canal would have to pass through the channel between the Andaman and Nicobar island chains, he said.
“Now do you realise we will have a very large quantity of the world’s shipping going through? Apart from the economic value, there is going to be an increasing requirement to ensure security of the world’s shipping. And it is in this connection, that we are engaging our neighbours. Oil-tanker traffic through the narrow Malacca Strait, which already carries most of North Asia’s oil imports, is projected to grow from 10 million barrels a day in 2002 to 20 million barrels a day in 2020 - much of it destined for China.
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Here is a Thesis on the Kra Canal

Published June 2002
By Amonthep Thongsin
The Kra Canal and Thai Security: Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California (pdf)
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No end to Himalayan rivalry
The year 2012 marks the 50th anniversary of the Sino-Indian war, which at one stroke led to the demise of the idealistic Nehruvian foreign policy. How did it happen? What were the lessons learnt — or not learnt? Should we be ready for another war with China?
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Border row: India wants broader solution
Shishir Gupta , Hindustan Times

India wants comprehensive settlement of the vexed border dispute with China on the basis of agreed political parameters and is not in favour of demarcating the 4,057 kilometre Line of Actual Control (LAC) on piece-meal basis.
Government sources said while Indian special
representative Shivshankar Menon and his Chinese counterpart Dai Bingguo explored a number of options to settle the boundary issue during January 15-17 talks, the concerted view of the UPA government was a broad political solution to convert LAC into international boundary simultaneously in the disputed western, middle and eastern sectors.
One of the key proposals moved during the dialogue was to settle the borders in small blocks rather than go for a comprehensive settlement. However, this option was overruled by a section of the UPA as they did not want the middle sector--which has minimum difference of boundary perception--to be settled first while Beijing was still viewing Arunachal Pradesh as "South Tibet" and beefing up in Aksai Chin across Ladakh.

Beijing's solution to the boundary issue has been as it is where it is basis from 1960 to 1985 but further hardened in 1987 when it demanded settlement in the eastern sector too. Prior to that, Chinese wanted India to give up claims on Aksai Chin, with Beijing reciprocating the same in the eastern sector.

Even though this was the last time that State Councillor Dai Bingguo was attending the Special Representative talks, the two sides could not crystallise the formula to solve the pending boundary issue.

While the two sides agreed to keep the borders peaceful, there are testing times ahead with Delhi trying to match Beijing in terms of border deployments and infrastructure.
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^^^^
We should not settle the border. We should reclaim Northern Ladakh territories and other territories lost to China in 1962 war. And finally we should see Tibet reinstated as an independent nation. Not the current lump of Tibet, but the maximum extent of Tibet, which included territories which were split from Tibet and added to other Chinese provinces.
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Keeping the border issue for the next 100 years is actually advantageous to India.
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Settling the border issues now is definitely to our disadvantage. Just talk, talk and more talk. This is the one issue that PRC wants a resolution fast, not us. We can live with uncertainty of border demarcation for ever in all sectors bordering Tibet.
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Har Har Mahadev.

And I thought I was alone, in not wanting these sham talks to succeed.

62 released us from fake pacifism and these open issues on borders can someday make our people walk the road to true Padosi Dharma.
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Acharya wrote:Keeping the border issue for the next 100 years is actually advantageous to India.
Chinese provide us pefect cause to pursue our geopolitical interests. India will start raising Tibet issue only after 2017 when many chess pieces are in place in Indian and Indo-Pacific ocean from Kwait to Kyoto.
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I don't think PRC is too interested in settling the border issue - but our expectation is as the old leaders leave, the new ones are more interested in peace and partnership with India. We have made it clear that we are happy to wait and time is on our side.

The first 30km or so is completely empty, they could walk in - listen to BK's comments on the subject.

Its only now since we have some money we can start actually working on the tools that can win us back Tibet. That too even current proposals are half baked.

We want to have peace with PRC. No one wants a war especially with nuclear powers - the last time there was quiet confrontation India moved Agni 2 to the borders and Beijing backed off. War is no joke. If we can resolve our border issues, we can both invest more on development and less on defence. Thats the key here.

the big BUT is that PRC is heading towards economic crisis soon and possibly internal unrest, so they may seek a diversion from these woes to hit India. So settling or not settling the border issue won't actually make much of a difference.
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I too agree. The next 40 years would see us surge past China with more civilizational self-confidence, better economy and a much better-armed military!
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India should then try to overturn the situation in Tibet then!
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ramana wrote:Glad you got the hint. Can we explore it in detail.
I have not come across any articulated detail view by Indians on the matter yet. Many comments on the Chinese plan but none exploring the Indian angle :( If someone has them, please post.

Sometimes, I feel all these Indian analysts should be banned from writing in the rags and do more thinking but I guess they have to earn a living. Sad that most of them are funded by either mai baap or foreign foundations.
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Being the major/lead partner in a Kra Canal project would be an economic bonanza for India as one of the smaller Nicobar islands could become a major port. It would be pretty devastating for the ports along the Malacca Straits, including Singapore because nobody would use the Straits anymore apart from the Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. It would be much more economical to use the Kra Canal for Korea, Taiwan, Austraila, Japan, America and even China. Imagine Chinese oil tankers passing through the canal within shouting range of an IN base. Apparently, Singapore and Malaysia have been bribing crooked Thai politicians for decades to vote against the Canal on "environmental" grounds.
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India to add muscle to Male mission
With China expanding its footprint in the politically unstable Maldives, India has decided to open a defence wing in its High Commission and decided to post a senior army officer as first defence attaché (DA). The mission in Colombo was handling India-Maldives defence and security ties.



Government sources said the ministry of external affairs took the decision to post a DA in Maldives this month and a colonel-level officer of the Indian Army will soon be sent to push defence ties in Male. The decision comes at a time when the island nation's first democratically-elected president Mohammed Nasheed on Wednesday said he was forced to resign (Tuesday) at gun-point by the supporters of the new President Mohammed Waheed Hassan.

While New Delhi has had Male on its defence and security grid in the past, it wants to cement the defence ties further as Beijing is expanding its influence in Indian Ocean littoral states. Maldives virtually sits on the vital shipping routes to South and North Asia, which carry half of the world's goods and hydrocarbon trade from Gulf and Europe. Male had posted its DA in India in 2005.

The Indian establishment is concerned as China is showing keen interest in setting up transhipment ports in islands north of Haa Alif Atoll and wants a piece of the action in setting up the second international airport at Hanimaadhoo. Besides, there are reports of Chinese interested in setting up submarine base Maroa Islands. There is a 75% jump in tourists from China to Maldives in 2010.

though India has given Male military hardware to increase its surveillance and radar capabilities, interrogation reports of apprehended Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists indicate that Pak-based groups are actively setting up base in the island nation to radicalise the population.
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http://arstechnica.com/business/news/20 ... swords.ars
Microsoft's store site in India defaced; hackers find plain text passwords
Chinese hackers defaced the home page of the Microsoft Store in India and gained access to user names and passwords associated with the site on February 12. The store site, operated for Microsoft by Quasar Media, is currently offline.The hackers, who call themselves "Evil Shadow Team," posted a link to their weblog on the store site's homepage as part of the defacement, along with screen shots of their defacement. The blog also included screen shots of what appears to be Windows management console access to the site itself, including internal files of the site displayed in a Microsoft Internet Information Services Manager console, as well as a view of the user profile database. The passwords for accounts were apparently stored in plain text in the database.On their blog, the hackers said they were a low-profile group and claimed not to be masters of their craft. They also wrote that they were making the data from the site available to "any security enthusiasts" and that the homepage of the store was defaced because modifying the home page was "a powerful way to make Microsoft aware" of how poor security of the site was.ccording to a report by IDG's John Ribero, Microsoft has begun an investigation of what it calls a "limited compromise" of the site. In a statement, Microsoft said that "store customers have already been sent guidance on the issue and suggested immediate actions."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
The myth of China as a harmless tiger

By Yu Jie, Published: February 13
Yu Jie is the author of several Chinese-language books, including “China’s Best Actor: Wen Jiaobo.” He left China last month for the United States, where he intends to study and write on religious freedom.

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b]The Chinese communist regime’s penetration of the West far exceeds that of the former Soviet Union. In the Cold [/b]War era, the Soviet Union was blocked behind the Iron Curtain; there were few links between Soviet and Western economies. An average American family would not be using products “made in the USSR.” Today, China is deeply embedded within the globalized system. An American recently wrote an interesting book detailing a year of her refusal to buy products that were “made in China” and the many difficulties she encountered as a result of this decision.
I arrived in the United States a month ago, thinking I had escaped the reach of Beijing, only to realize that the Chinese government’s shadow continues to be omnipresent. Several U.S. universities that I have contacted dare not invite me for a lecture, as they cooperate with China on many projects. If you are a scholar of Chinese studies who has criticized the Communist Party, it would be impossible for you to be involved in research projects with the Chinese-funded Confucius Institute, and you may even be denied a Chinese visa. Conversely, if you praise the Communist Party, not only would you receive ample research funding but you might also be invited to visit China and even received by high-level officials. Western academic freedom has been distorted by invisible hands.

I believe that China is a far greater threat than the former Soviet Union ever was; unfortunately, the West lacks visionary politicians, such as Ronald Reagan, to stand up to this threat. President Obama might perceive the Chinese Communist Party as a tiger that does not bite and, hence, is looking forward to Vice President Xi Jinping’s visit this week. Will Obama, a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, openly request that China release Liu Xiaobo, a Nobel Peace laureate imprisoned by the Communist Party? Why did Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton have the courage to meet with Burma’s Aung San Suu Kyi but not to meet with Liu? Is it because Burma is weak, while China is strong?
The Chinese Communist Party remains a tiger that will bite. For working on human rights with Liu Xiaobo, after he was awarded the Nobel Prize, I was tortured by the country’s secret police and nearly lost my life. Since then, dozens of lawyers and writers have been subjected to brutal torture; some contracted severe pneumonia after being held in front of fans blowing cold air and then being baked by an electric furnace. The secret police threatened me, saying that they had a list of 200 anticommunist party intellectuals whom they were ready to arrest and bury alive. Over the past year, the number of political prisoners in China has increased, and the jail sentences have become longer — yet Western voices of protest have become weaker.
Harsh internal repression and unrestrained external expansion are two sides of the same coin. The Chinese Communist Party recently vetoed the U.N. Security Council’s resolution on Syria because killings not unlike those committed by Damascus continue in Tibet.More than a century ago, Westerners described China as a “sleeping lion”; today, it is the West that has fallen asleep. As an independent writer and a Christian member of a “house church,” I have the responsibility to tell the truth: The Chinese Communist Party is still a man-eating tiger.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 902297.cms

The fool who wrote this article deliberately ignores the fact that India is a democracy in which different segments of society including the press can air their views freely. So the "problem" is not PRC arrogance but India's democracy (i.e. multi-party political system).

The most laughable is the reference to occupied Aksai Chin - "This wrong argument, which totally disregards history" etc and the rant goes not. Why not PRC vacate occupied Aksai Chin and occupied Uttar Arunachal and then it will be easy to reach an agreement on this issue.
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No reduction of Chinese pressure on India or its arrogance:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 035067.cms

I wonder how India can pay back China in equal measure?
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PRC has conveyed to India to play middleman and get His Holiness the Dalai Lama to speak to Tibetans and calm the situation down.
They are very very worried.
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Backs upwhat i Said earlier

Amid Arunachal row, Chinese foreign minister heading to India
New Delhi, Feb 27,2012, (IANS)

Amid China's renewed assertion of its claims over Arunachal Pradesh, Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi comes here Wednesday for wide-ranging talks that will set the stage for Chinese President Hu Jintao's visit here for the BRICS summit that New Delhi will be hosting this March-end.

Yang will hold the annual dialogue with External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna.

The two ministers are expected to review the entire spectrum of bilateral relations and firm up the agenda for the visit of the Chinese president's bilateral talks with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the margins of the BRICS summit, government sources told IANS.

India will host the leaders of the five emerging economies of BRICS -- Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa -- here March 29. Hu last came to India in 2006.

Yang comes to India barely weeks after Krishna went to Beijing early this month to inaugurate the new Indian embassy building in the Chinese capital. During the talks with Krishna, senior Chinese leaders and officials had sought India's support to ease the Tibet crisis in the wake of a spate of self-immolations in the country.

The Tibetan issue is expected to figure in the discussions, with India set to reassure Beijing that it considered the Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR) as a part of China and reiterate New Delhi's policy of not allowing anti-China activities on Indian soil.

The visit of the Chinese foreign minister comes amid verbal sparring between India and China triggered by Beijing's objections to Defence Minister A.K. Antony's visit to Arunachal Pradesh earlier this month.

Dismissing Chinese objections, India Monday asserted that the defence minister has the right to visit any part of the country and protested against any outside interference.

"Arunachal Pradesh is a part and parcel of India. The defence minister is entitled to go anywhere in the country he considers necessary," External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna told reporters here.

The question of any country raising objection does not come into consideration, said Krishna.

Antony, who visited Arunachal Pradesh Feb 20 for the Silver Jubilee celebrations of its statehood in state capital Itanagar, called the Chinese comments "objectionable". He had also announced an array of infrastructure development projects for the border state that day. Antony said he had the right and the duty as the defence minister of India to visit all border states any time.

"I was surprised to see such a reaction. I feel it is most unfortunate and, at the same time, it is really objectionable. Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India," he told reporters here.

Objecting to the Indian defence minister's visit to Arunachal Pradesh, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei had Saturday asked "India to work with China to maintain peace and stability in border areas".

Hong had asserted that China advocated seeking a fair and rational solution through equal and friendly negotiations, adding that Bejing's stance on Sino-Indian border issues, including disputes regarding the eastern section, has been consistent and clear-cut.
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Published on Feb 28, 2012
By Ajai Shukla
Antony sees Chinese shipping bypassing Indian blockade: Business Standard
One morning in 1999, the tiny Canadian village of Tuktoyaktuk on the Arctic Ocean awoke to a surprise. Parked off the coast was a Chinese icebreaker ship, the Xue Long, mocking Ottawa’s pretensions of control over its northern waters. China is not even amongst the eight Arctic countries — Russia, Finland, Sweden, Norway, the US (Alaska), Iceland, Denmark (Greenland) and Canada itself — that claim the Arctic’s fabled hydrocarbon reserves, and the rapidly opening Arctic shipping lanes. But Beijing knows that global warming is melting the Arctic ice cap; and it is readying to exploit this, both commercially and militarily.

This growing capability threatens Indian strategy in a war with China. Defence analysts point to India's two-fold strategy: defending the land border in the north with the army and the air force; while using the Indian Navy to block China’s commercial and military shipping in the Indian Ocean. India’s coastal airfields, especially in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and its proximity to the choke points of Malacca and Sunda in southeast Asia and the Straits of Hormuz and Aden in West Asia will allow the Indian Navy to impose a strangling economic blockade on China.

But this is not possible if Chinese shipping transits through the Arctic routes, which bypass the Indian Ocean. On Monday, at an international maritime seminar in New Delhi, Defence Minister A K Antony expressed concern, saying: “The possible melting of the polar ice caps will have tectonic consequences for our understanding of what maritime domains constitute ‘navigable’ oceans of the world. Specific to Asia and the Indian Ocean Region, there may be a need to reassess concepts like chokepoints and critical sea lines of communication (SLOCs).”
I have been saying, we need to increase the level of our relations with Iceland, Denmark, Norway and Canada in a big way. We need to use our influence to increase Indian migrants in all these countries.
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Some well know leftists and p-secs are associated with this report. Interesting
The report has been prepared by a group comprising Shyam Saran (former special envoy to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh), Nandan Nilekani (chairman of Unique Identity Development Authority of India), Lt General (retired) Prakash Menon (military advisor to the National Security Council Secretariat), Sunil Khilnani (Professor of History at King’s College, London’s India institute), Pratap Bhanu Mehta (President, Centre for Policy Research), Rajiv Kumar (FICCI secretary general), Srinath Raghavan (senior fellow at CPR) and Siddharth Vardarajan (Editor, The Hindu).
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RajeshA wrote:Published on Feb 28, 2012
By Ajai Shukla
Antony sees Chinese shipping bypassing Indian blockade: Business Standard
I have been saying, we need to increase the level of our relations with Iceland, Denmark, Norway and Canada in a big way. We need to use our influence to increase Indian migrants in all these countries.
Those nations come under US influence.

Japan can be used to cut them off but they are and will remain under US umbrella.

There's too much riff raff in keeping expectations with these nations in time of war.
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China has stopped issuing stapled visas to residents of Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir after India threatened to reciprocate with Tibet per HT.
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