Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

[Atish]

The author is supposedly Indian in service of Ummah. Not one good thing about India have come out of this BDy's mouth. Just ignore him unless you want to puke every time you come across his name.

This guy Jawed Naqvi's character is strange. I saw him on TV and he resembles Saeed Naqvi very very much, gotta be a younger bro. And is close to being the polar opposite of his elder bro. Syed Naqvi is the prototypical genteel Awadhi Shia Muslim Indian patriotic type. Its hard to believe two bros can be so very much different. Cain and Abel. It fits strangely into a mental image of bad Indian Muslim/ Good Muslim Indian.

[SSridhar]

MFN status, lost in translation - Nirupama Subramanyan in The Hindu
Excerpts

It helps in no small measure that it operates on the six-lane Lahore-Islamabad motorway, perhaps the best road in South Asia, and the lasting legacy of Nawaz Sharif's short-lived term in office.

In such an atmosphere, India-Pakistan relations are bound to be a bit of a side-show — except when Hafiz Saeed, the infamous chief of the even more infamous Jamat-ud-dawa, the front of the Lashkar-e-Toiba, now banded together with 40 other like-minded groups and individuals as the Difa-e-Pakistan (Defence of Pakistan) Council, decides to bring it centre stage. This gig is travelling from city to city, stirring up passion against Pakistan's decision to accord India MFN status among other things; it is headed to Karachi on February 12. The rallies are still restricted to a madrasa type audience, but the message that there can be no normalising of trade with India has found wide acceptance.

Apparently, the main weapon in Hafiz Saeed's armoury is nothing more than the Urdu translation of Most Favoured Nation. In a nation that has over six decades internalised the term dushman hamsaya (enemy neighbour), the Pakistan government and business lobbies, who are all for cross-border trade, find themselves on the backfoot while discussing giving this same neighbour the status of “ sabsey pasandeeda mulk. ” {Exactly as we have discussed here as soon as the MFN news broke out} Ignorance about MFN is widespread, shockingly even among friends of India. No one knows exactly what it is, except what they understand from the translation. At the “Track 2” meeting, one of the Pakistani delegates made an impassioned plea for replacing MFN with some other term that would mean the same thing but wouldn't sound as if Pakistan and India had become BFF, best friends forever.

. . . the Chinese are possibly one of the biggest expatriate groups in Pakistan now, numbering around 16,000 according to one estimate; the Chinese residents of the capital possibly feel more secure than during the Lal Masjid days of 2007, as there have been no major terror incidents in Islamabad for a couple of years.

[SBajwa]

javed naqli is a treasonous character, paki at heart.

and preparing the ground work in Dehli, Lucknow, Hyderabad for future secession attempts.

[shiv]

MFN status, lost in translation - Nirupama Subramanyan in The Hindu

When this lady was the official Hindu newspaper correspondent in Islamabad I used to enjoy her sharp articles. This one seems like such a pointless and meandering one. But that may mean that she doesn't care much for bhaichara which is what this meeting was all about.

Having said that I do think that the the name "Most Favored Nation" is a weird one. It's the sort of name that diplomats would coin for dramatic effect.

[CRamS]

US economic strength, military power, political stability is far from that of a failing state.

Now you are talking GuptaJi. I mean its out of the ball park even hinting of US as a "failed state".

I think viewed from the lens of useless hot air coming from US, yes it cannot impose its will about installing democracy etc, all designed to make it look like US is not behaving a like bullying thug, but if you take out the fluff, and look at it objectively: US interests, then by and large it does secure its interests. In the case of Iraq, it pretty much owns the oil in the Kurdish strong hold, Libyan oil is in US kitty. And in AfPak, I would wager to bet my last penny that none ever dare use AfPak territory to strike US and/or its lackeys. Finally, leave aside the huffing & puffing, at the end of the Iran denouement, you think Iran will be left to have its nukes? Not a chance and you know that. This is what I call a super power securing its interests. In contrast, there is no evidence that for all of India's surrender to TSP, that TSPA/ISI have lost their wherewithal to strike India again at the opportune moment. Add nukes, and TSP continues to be an albatross around India's neck. Thus, absolutely no equivalence between US appeasement of TSP, and India's.

[shiv]

A man once had a favorite prostitute. He showered her with gifts and more than the going rate for what she gave him and she gave him a lot. No time, no position, no place, nothing was taboo. She even slept with the man's friends for free and helped teach the man's children the ways of the world. She allowed herself to be photographed doing all sorts of things. The man expected and got everything he desired from her. But one fine day the man wanted to do it from the back. She refused. Nothing that he did would make her change her mind. No meant NO. That was when the the man discovered that even prostitutes have some principles where they will draw the red line.

This parable describes the relationship between the US and its whore the Pakistan army. The USA has discovered that the Pakistan army will not fight its islamic militia. Increasingly articles from the USA "recognize" that the Islamic militia are the Pakistan army's "insurance" against India and that they cannot be made to budge on the issue of fighting those Islamic militia even if some factions are hitting the Pakistan army. Those factions are hitting the Pakistan army because the army supported the USA. The Pakistan army figures that if they stop supporting the USA and refuse to take it in the back, those Islamic militia will stop attacking the Pakistan army.

Moving away from convenient analogies/parables it seems like the Islamic jihadis will be quite happy to wreak havoc in Afghanistan again and set up their new Caliphate there. leaving the Paki army in peace, where the Pakistan army can use camps and infrastructure to continue its war against India. Or so it is thought. The period from 1989 to 2001 was exactly the period when

1. US aid to the Paki army stopped
2. The Pakistan army exerted hegemony over Afghanistan with the Taliban as its "ally"

The "freedom that the Pakistan army had in its pre 9-11 days allowed Kargil and IC 814 to occur. But it also allowed 9-11, the London and Madrid bombings and a whole lot of other terror that was traced back to Afghanistan.

Is there a lesson here? The lesson is that the control of Afghanistan lies in controlling and checking the Pakistan army. Military defeat will not check the Pakistan army simply because the army has blended with the Islamic militia who will control the mountains and passes and reappear when convenient.

It is ironic that 20 years of terrorism hurt India but did not bleed India to the point of not knowing what to do next. India just did nothing and therefore had nothing to do. No pulling out or disengagement was necessary because India was not even engaged. But in 10 years the Pakistan army has pushed the US into a position where the US depends on the Pakistan army for control of Afghanistan, and if the US leaves control goes back to the Pakistan army.

I for one do not subscribe to the theory that a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan will make it worse for India. I think it will be worse for India only if the USA hands over control to Pakistan and then keeps on funding the Pakistan army to expand and exert control over Afghanistan. Even if this happens - it is Afghanistan that will suffer more than India, at least initially. In addition. Xinjiang and Europe will feel the heat because of their established "anti-Islamic" policies and land connections with Central and West Asia. In fact a Europe that is under greater stress form Islamic extremism and a burning Xinjiang are all good for India so why not let the Taliban take over Afghanistan?

Another thing that surprised me was an analysis by some of India's foremost thinkers that a radicalized, Talibanized Afghanistan would fuel the fires of jihad in India and that pockets of Muslims all over India would gradually revert to Talibanizing India. This is an interesting analysis to me. According to this analysis, Muslims of India who are progressive and progressing will suddenly hear the code words of jihad from Afghanistan and stop all the progress and freedom they have in India and encourage and tolerate the bombing, beheading and mayhem we have seen in Afghainisan and Pakistan. Why did Indian Muslims wait so long the morons? They have had so many opportunities to set India alight when Pakistan was strong. I mean Mumbai probably has a million Muslims. After 26/11 they could have captured Mumbai and shown solidarity with Pakistan. After all 10 Pakistan Muslims controlled Mumbai for 3 days no?

My analysis is that Indian assessments of Indian Muslims are flawed - and stereotyped. The Indian Muslim is "always cheering for Pakistan and is waiting and working via love jihad and and for an opportunity to set India alight." Because Indian Muslims are waiting to set India alight, India will catch fire when Pakistan/Taliban takes over Afghanistan.

Huh? I mean I find this analysis difficult to swallow. Why can't it happen some other way? Pakistan and Afghanistan on fire, Xinjiang on fire, US running scared. Jihadis in Europe but India at peace with its peaceful Indic Muslims? And Pakis and Afghanis looking to India for some respite?

I mean if one is going to do an analysis one must think of all possibilities no matter how remote. This is normal run of the mill stuff for a medical diagnosis. Do not leave out any possibility no matter how much you dislike it and do not assume that the possibility you like will be what is happening.

[shiv]

you think Iran will be left to have its nukes?

Iran has no nukes.

[shiv]

If the Pakistan army stops serving US interests and can check its anti-India stance, the US will be able to do little about oil pipelines to India via Central Asia and Iran. Ultimately the US is in indirect conflict with India and China here. A lot of the subcontinental games are chess moves that seek to checkmate a fading souperpower. staring with a rebellion in the territory of its former slave, Pakistan.

That is partly why the US will seek to control the Pakistani army and keep it in power. It is in India's interest to support all factions in Pakistan who are suffering from the Pakistan army's actions without getting into a direct fight with the Pakistan army because as CRamS says the souperpower will supports its proxytute. But if India does not fight that army, the souperpower has cannot exert its influence.

Pakistan may not have dominated India, but it certainly struck a death blow to two superpowers. Ill give them that

[Satya_anveshi]

a bit of distraction from the ongoing discussion:

something is not adding up with this blast - purpose of the factory, cause of the blast going by the extent of damage, casualty figure from quoted number of people present etc.
factory blast in Lahore

[shiv]

Pakistan's future is with India and not against India.

Pakistan's anti india policy has reached exactly nowhere. It has strengthened the Army beyond belief but that same army is now unable to dominate its own proxies. Those proxies are unable to win against India or the US, but neither India nor the US can eliminate them. Nor can the Pakistani army.

Pakistan's liaison with the US did not get them Kashmir or dominance over India, but it made them subservient to the US.

How obvious is this to the average Pakistani?

[Satya_anveshi]

How obvious is this to the average Pakistani?

As long as they are sipping jam-jam cola provided by Saudis they will not get off the islamic train. Concern is that (or it is just plain obvious) that even after all this, the "moderates" might yet support islamists over the khakis in case there is a duel.

Even as we keep these pukis engaged, some thought must be given as to how we can make Saudi insult, laugh, and dissaprove at what pukis are doing. It will be allah's gift if they even punish pukis. That will take the wind out of pukis on the morals perspective. Won't it be interesting for a puki maulana quote some Arabic mumbo-jumbo to Arabs themselves? That will be some interesting turning point.

[anupmisra]

something is not adding up with this blast - purpose of the factory, cause of the blast going by the extent of damage, casualty figure from quoted number of people present etc.factory blast in Lahore

"veterinary medical products!!" Probably fertilizers and bovine enhancement pills.

[KLNMurthy]

India must do whatever is in its power to soften Pakistan up before a crash.

This is probably where we can use the services of people like Mani Shankar Aiyar , shashi tharoor etc even if we do not like them(in certain ways).

Even if this is plausible, there still needs to be a powerful hawkish constituency in India to play bad cop to the WKK good cop. It is probably ineptitude on the part of officialdom that explains the absence of such a lobby.

[shiv]

What i admire about Pakistan is that they fought the USSR to a standstill - using US aid. Now they have fought the US to a standstill - using US aid again!

I tell ya - Pakis have something going for them! It is ironic that Uneven Cohen accuses Pakistan of negotiating with a gun held to its own head. But surely, the US too negotiates with Pakistan with a gun held to its own head no? "If you don't help us, we will pull out and the war in Afghanistan won't be won!" How is that argument expected to impress Pakis? They will die laughing. Good for India though.

[shiv]

Even if this is plausible, there still needs to be a powerful hawkish constituency in India to play bad cop to the WKK good cop. It is probably ineptitude on the part of officialdom that explains the absence of such a lobby.

There may be another explanation. The patriotic BJP and RSS should be at least squeaking in protest no? Why are they silent?

[anupmisra]

Bijnuss Teerain: from Hero to Zero

[Anujan]

Anujan, Will reply in the weekend.
Keep in mind Pandavas had to let the world see the Kauravas in their true colors.

Ramana-ji

Interested to read your views. But wanted to add that the Pandavas had sent off Arjuna to penance to acquire divine astras and Yudhistira to cement alliances while (SM) Krishna was negotiating for peace.

[Anujan]

IMF warns Pakistan over slow growth, high deficit

The International Monetary Fund warned Pakistan Monday over its widening fiscal deficit and slow growth, saying the economy remains deeply at risk to both internal and external shocks. The IMF said Pakistan's economy would speed up to a 3.4 percent growth pace in fiscal 2011-2012, which runs to June 30, compared to 2.4 percent last year.
But that was less than half the pace needed to absorb two million new workers in the market every year, it said, while unemployment and underemployment remain higher than the official 6.6 percent rate.
At the same time, loose money policies by the State Bank of Pakistan, meant to help the economy grow, continue to feed double-digit inflation.

[A_Gupta]

Rezaul Hasan Laskar is a Press Trust of Indian correspondent in Pakistan. Some contest from his recent tweets is copied below.

Acc to Hizb-ut-Tahrir, Pakistan govt has stopped supporting Kashmiris due to US backed "Aman ki Lasha".

Pakistan receives 3 F-16s from US - one new F-16D Block 52 & 2 F-16 Block 15 jets that had undergone mid-life upgrade.

US has now completed delivery of 18 new F-16D Block 52 jets ordered by Pakistan.

[KLNMurthy]

Part of being a super power is also the ability to look at the big picture and make a mid course correction. (In a certain sense, India is also behaving maturely by not rushing head on into punishing TSP and getting enmeshed in a costly war. But India can do a lot more than the current shameful surrender). Current US strategy is to buttress the pre-9/11 status quo while preserving its super power H&D. But to claim that US power has somehow been diluted as a result of the AfPak denouement is immature analysis and understanding of US power.

interesting that by your standards you are actually showing a willingness to give India some credit, beyond giving the appearance that you are angry with India for failing to fulfill some personal fantasy.

I am as trenchant a critic of Indian policy as anyone, but at least we should understand that this is a learning process for India. On the other hand, superpower USA with its massive investment in intellectual firepower, has produced a TSP policy that is total rubbish from an American interests POV.

[RamaY]

Anujan, Will reply in the weekend.
Keep in mind Pandavas had to let the world see the Kauravas in their true colors.

Ramana-ji

Interested to read your views. But wanted to add that the Pandavas had sent off Arjuna to penance to acquire divine astras and Yudhistira to cement alliances while (SM) Krishna was negotiating for peace.

Probably that is what happening now check Indian Interests thread...

[A_Gupta]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/332403/sc-s ... -by-polls/

ISLAMABAD / LAHORE: The Supreme Court has suspended the membership of 28 parliamentarians who were elected to their seats in the National Assembly and Senate through by-polls held after the 18th amendment.

[KLNMurthy]

The author is supposedly Indian in service of Ummah. Not one good thing about India have come out of this BDy's mouth. Just ignore him unless you want to puke every time you come across his name.

This guy Jawed Naqvi's character is strange. I saw him on TV and he resembles Saeed Naqvi very very much, gotta be a younger bro. And is close to being the polar opposite of his elder bro. Syed Naqvi is the prototypical genteel Awadhi Shia Muslim Indian patriotic type. Its hard to believe two bros can be so very much different. Cain and Abel. It fits strangely into a mental image of bad Indian Muslim/ Good Muslim Indian.

Another such pair is the late poisonous Omar Khalidi and his less known nice-guy rahrah indic pasand brother Usama Khalidi.

[KLNMurthy]

Even if this is plausible, there still needs to be a powerful hawkish constituency in India to play bad cop to the WKK good cop. It is probably ineptitude on the part of officialdom that explains the absence of such a lobby.

There may be another explanation. The patriotic BJP and RSS should be at least squeaking in protest no? Why are they silent?

Leave out certificates of patriotism. I think BJP/RSS represent another facet of a broken paradigm that persists in Indian thinking.

[KLNMurthy]

My analysis is that Indian assessments of Indian Muslims are flawed - and stereotyped. The Indian Muslim is "always cheering for Pakistan and is waiting and working via love jihad and and for an opportunity to set India alight." Because Indian Muslims are waiting to set India alight, India will catch fire when Pakistan/Taliban takes over Afghanistan.

this is an important part of what I have been thinking of as a broken paradigm that continues to dominate Indian policy. We have to consider that the post-partition Indian Muslim has evolved into a different species than both the the pre-partition subcontinental muslim and the paki muslim of today.

[RamaY]

My analysis is that Indian assessments of Indian Muslims are flawed - and stereotyped. The Indian Muslim is "always cheering for Pakistan and is waiting and working via love jihad and and for an opportunity to set India alight." Because Indian Muslims are waiting to set India alight, India will catch fire when Pakistan/Taliban takes over Afghanistan.

Unfortunately Indian Muslims were not encouraged to be Indian and not educated on their Bharatiya roots. The problem lies with three parties, within India.

1. The JLN/INC political strategy
2. (sic) Secular Education (perhaps part of the INC strategy)
3. Not removing the artifacts that are eyesore to majority Bharatiyas

Any other nation would have done this, except JLN's India.

[ramana]

Can we remind ourselves the thread topic is TSP and nothing else?

Thanks, ramana

[KLNMurthy]

Can we remind ourselves the thread topic is TSP and nothing else?

Thanks, ramana

But TSP thinks it is thekedar of Indian Muslims, hai na?

[sanjaykumar]

Unfortunately Indian Muslims were not encouraged to be Indian and not educated on their Bharatiya roots. The problem lies with three parties, within India.



I don't think that is it all.

Indian Muslims are rightly proud of Indo-Muslim architecture but palimpsest mosques can never be a legitimate cause for reflection.

(If literacy standards were adequate for the 'intelligentsia', both Muslims and otherwise, to decipher the above, the task would be infinitely easier).

[ramana]

Again guys this is Off Topic.

The thread title is :


Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012


Which part is not clear?

Thanks, ramana

[nachiket]

What i admire about Pakistan is that they fought the USSR to a standstill - using US aid. Now they have fought the US to a standstill - using US aid again!

Ok, this might be a pisko experiment going over my head but here goes. The pakis were nothing more than middlemen passing US money and weapons to the Afghans who were fighting the Soviets, whilst keeping a part of it for themselves as commission. How does that translate to "fighting the USSR to a standstill". That is age old paki propagandu, but you already know that. I know you have been trying to emphasize on US weakness w.r.t pakistan, but this is ridiculous.

[Dipanker]

US economic strength, military power, political stability is far from that of a failing state.

Now you are talking GuptaJi. I mean its out of the ball park even hinting of US as a "failed state".

I think viewed from the lens of useless hot air coming from US, yes it cannot impose its will about installing democracy etc, all designed to make it look like US is not behaving a like bullying thug, but if you take out the fluff, and look at it objectively: US interests, then by and large it does secure its interests. In the case of Iraq, it pretty much owns the oil in the Kurdish strong hold, Libyan oil is in US kitty. And in AfPak, I would wager to bet my last penny that none ever dare use AfPak territory to strike US and/or its lackeys. Finally, leave aside the huffing & puffing, at the end of the Iran denouement, you think Iran will be left to have its nukes? Not a chance and you know that. This is what I call a super power securing its interests. In contrast, there is no evidence that for all of India's surrender to TSP, that TSPA/ISI have lost their wherewithal to strike India again at the opportune moment. Add nukes, and TSP continues to be an albatross around India's neck. Thus, absolutely no equivalence between US appeasement of TSP, and India's.

CRamS ,

You want to look up the meaning of the idiom "out of the ball park", you claim to be living in US for 20+ years and still botch up the use of common idiomatic expressions!

About Iranian nukes, anything short of invasion and occupation, can not stop Iran from eventually building nukes if they want it that bad. Bunker busters can go only so deep, all the Iranians need to do is just move the centrifuges to deeper facilities, and they did that years ago.

Also it is too early to pass any verdict on control of Libyan oil, or Northern Iraq oil. In Iraq the Baghdad (center) and Irbil (Kurds) are still fighting over the agreements of control.
Results of the "Arab spring" will take sometime to crystallize, so far the indications are the Islamists will prevail, which is in fact bad news for US.

Now finally about American interest, if you take a stock of events last 30 - 40 years, the flaws in American foreign policy have actually done more harm to American interest than served it. Numerous examples are there, let's just pick one, "undervalued" chinese currency which has destroyed American manufacturing industry, still US has not been able to make the Chinese appreciate the value of their currency, despite begging for it for over 15 years now.


Now go ahead and congratulate me for hitting it "out of the ballpark", and this time you won't be wrong!

PS: If you want to reply to this post, do it in the US news thread, let us stick to Paki bashing in this thread!

[abhishek_sharma]

in the (right) ballpark: Plausibly accurate, within reasonable bounds. (1968 —) .

http://www.answers.com/topic/ballpark

[Shaashtanga]

Huh? I mean I find this analysis difficult to swallow. Why can't it happen some other way? Pakistan and Afghanistan on fire, Xinjiang on fire, US running scared. Jihadis in Europe but India at peace with its peaceful Indic Muslims? And Pakis and Afghanis looking to India for some respite?

I mean if one is going to do an analysis one must think of all possibilities no matter how remote. This is normal run of the mill stuff for a medical diagnosis. Do not leave out any possibility no matter how much you dislike it and do not assume that the possibility you like will be what is happening.

Excellent analysis shiv saar.

-Deleted- in self preservation from drone-acharya.

Note - All what I mentioned above is not an opinion but looking at "all" possibilities.

Added later - Ramana Garu, i m sorry, i didnt see your warning about this being the TIRP thread and no more discussion about IM's. If you want i will delete this post.

[Dipanker]

in the (right) ballpark: Plausibly accurate, within reasonable bounds. (1968 —) .

http://www.answers.com/topic/ballpark

The meaning of "out of the ball park" is to hit a home run; its non-baseball equivalent is to do something well or exactly as it should be done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_o ... m_baseball

[abhishek_sharma]

Dipanker: See OT thread

[Prem]

SC suspends membership of 28 parliamentarians

Poaqullah Vs Goaqullah

ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court has suspended membership of 28 MPs elected through by-elections. The CJP has said the court cannot shut its eyes to the Constitution while giving verdicts.The Supreme Court said the membership of 28 MPs would remain suspended until Parliamentary endorsement. The apex court had given the deadline until February 6 for endorsement, failing which the MPs have been suspended.These MPs’ elections had been challenged on the plea that they had been elected on bogus voters’ lists.Chief of Tehreek-e-Insaf Imran Khan had filed a petition in the apex court against any election on the current voter lists as he claimed the lists have over 30 million fake votes.Khan had also requested the apex court to block more bye-elections until the Election Commission of Pakistan prepares corrected electoral rolls that do not list bogus voters.The Supreme Court had given time to the Election Commission to remove the fake votes and to prepare new lists but the Commission could not meet the deadline.

[Prem]

Monkey Trap For Donkey?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2012_pg3_4
Army and the birth of an insecure state —

Born in a circumstance of extreme gravity, a ‘truncated, mutilated, divided and moth-eaten’ Pakistan was confronted with a two-front threat from India and Afghanistan even at its birth. While India’s hostility to Pakistan, as the reluctant party to partition, would be natural, Afghanistan’s aggressive behaviour, as Pakistan’s closest Muslim neighbour, would be as hard and as hurtful to understand.Afghanistan challenged the existence of Pakistan as the successor state to imperial Britain. It claimed the whole of the trans-Indus North-West province along with the tribal areas ceded to the British under the internationally recognised Durand Line drawn in 1893.Having failed in its efforts to substantiate its stand on the Durand Line, it raised the bogey of an autonomous Pathan state between Afghanistan and Pakistan. However, while Afghanistan was more or less an irritant, India posed a military threat. It brought the Quaid himself into matters concerning the immediate security of Pakistan.No match for India in the size and strength of the Indian military, the Quaid E Possum had to look around for military wherewithal from anywhere and at any cost.Accordingly, on October 8, 1947 — i.e. less than two months after the emergence of Pakistan — the Quaid directed Ambassador M H Ispahani to get in touch with the Americans to discuss Pakistan’s security. Pakistan’s ambassador to the US, M H Ispahani, after presenting his credentials to President Truman, ‘launched’ into an ‘ethnological exposition’ to prove that Pakistan was the only natural bulwark against a communist Russia.
“He went on to describe Pakistanis as descendents of the great Muslim Emperors of India originally coming from the steppes of cultural Asia and the Caucasian mountains, the original homes of the ancestors of the American people.“Subsequently, Ambassador Ispahani and the Great Quad-Alreza’s special envoy, Mir Laiq Ali, formerly finance minister of the princely state of Hyderabad (India), pleaded Pakistan’s case for American arms.
“That was on October 17, just about 10 days before the start of the Kashmir war. Mir Laiq Ali told the American officials, Willard L Thorpe and Roy Thurston, that the government of Pakistan ‘desired’ to receive from the US a sum of $ 2 billion spread over a period of about five years. He had gone on to assure America in a memorandum that the government of Pakistan was ‘willing to designate’ the US as its ‘principal economic and military benefactor’” (The American Role in Pakistan by M S Venkataramani, pg 17).The Quaid, as the supreme commander, had been no less concerned with the security of the state threatened by India. India’s military invasion and the occupation of Kashmir involved him deeply in matters military.

He summoned Lieutenant-General Douglas Gracey, acting army C-in-C, to discuss Kashmir and tell him to detail a brigade-level force to Kashmir. Gracey said that he must consult Field Marshal Auchinleck, technically chief of the joint command, based in New Delhi. Auchinleck flew into Lahore a day later. He too regretted his inability to involve the British troops in a war. Unofficially, a brigade under the command of Brigadier Mohammad Akhtar Khan (Rawalpindi conspiracy fame) was unofficially engaged operationally against India. The brigade was headquartered at Uri at a short drive from Muzaffarabad.The Quadanal thus gave his personal blessings to an essentially illicit war in Kashmir. It was technically ‘legal’ for India after the Hindu ruler, Hari Singh, acceded to India against the wishes of the Muslims in an overwhelming majority in the state.

[Dipanker]

Dipanker: See OT thread

I replied in the OT thread.

[KLNMurthy]

@Rudradev brilliant exposition, hats off!

Nirad Chaudhari was on to something similar in his Continent of Circe though his attitude was different--he was angry with Bharat Mata for spoiling her children and making them soft.