Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Feb 2012 10:24

Well Done Ugly Suckling Pig Rib

Hafiz Saeed’s presence in public rally concerns US

WASHINGTON: United States Thursday expressed ‘concern’ over the recent public appearance of Hafiz Saeed at a Difa e Pakisan rally in Karachi.The statement issued by US State Department said that Lashkar e Taiba and Jamaat ud Dawa is internationally sanctioned because of its associates with al Qaeda.It said that “We have and continue to urge the government of Pakistan to uphold its obligations in accordance with UN Security Council resolution 1267/1989.Meanwhile on trilateral meeting in Islamabad, US said that we support the process of talks among Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran, adding that the regional states need to support the process if its going to be successful.During a daily press briefing, US State Department's spokesman Victoria Nuland said that the US was not trying to stop legitimate trade in food, medicines and these kinds of things between Iran and its neighbours.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Feb 2012 12:16

^^^^^
This is a well orchestrated charade. duffer e Pakistan is going to be rolled up. it is one of the conditions for resuming baksheesh from unkil and reopening NATO routes.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Feb 2012 12:52

shiv wrote:By the way is this info correct?
Quote:
The Lashkar-e-Taiba/Jamaat-ud-Dawa had its origins in the jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan, sharing a common mentor with al Qaeda in Islamic scholar Abdullah Azzam, but has focused on Kashmir and India.

This is from wiki (and consistent with other info). This tid bit is misleading in the sense that basic charter of LeT is Indian/J&K. ISI just initiated it in Afghanistan to recruit and giving it a legacy of the azzam guy supposedly god father of OBL who died few months prior in 1989. Perhaps wanted to make some one of that stature in India/J&K context. The lady might have lifted it straight from wiki.

The LeT was formed in Afghanistan's Kunar province in 1990[2] and gained prominence in the early 1990s as a military offshoot of MDI.[3] MDI's primary concerns were dawah and the LeT focused on jihad although the members did not distinguish between the two groups' functions. According to Hafiz Saeed, "Islam propounds both dawa[h] and jihad. Both are equally important and inseparable. Since our life revolves around Islam, therefore both dawa and jihad are essential; we cannot prefer one over the other."[25]

Lashkar-e-Taiba was formed in May 1990, as hostilities between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir issue and the Siachen conflict had increased considerably to be on the verge of war, with the sole aim of providing volunteers for the Pakistani Army aided militancy in Indian Kashmir. The logistical and intelligence support was provided by ISI

MDI = Markaz-ud-Dawa-e-constipation. = = JUD===all are same but different names by design with expert advisory services from USA. Som they can ban one name but Indian bugging ops can operate with the other name.

chilarai · Post by **chilarai** » 17 Feb 2012 13:08

http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=35336

Your life vest is under your seat !

PIA carries two passengers in plane's toilet

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Feb 2012 15:29

Karzai also giving some verbal GUBO to TSP?
Karzai snaps at Pak delegation, Gilani stops meeting

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai made a torrid attack on the Pakistani leadership in a face-to-face meeting with Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani [ Images ] and demanded that Islamabad produce top Taliban leaders to negotiate with him.

Karzai confronted the Pakistanis at an official delegation-level talk on Thursday in Islamabad between the two countries on the sidelines of a trilateral summit meeting of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran, The Guardian reported on Friday.

The Afghan president's language and tone flared to such an extent that Gilani intervened and called a halt to a meeting of the full delegations of the two countries, the paper said, quoting officials on both sides.

After a break, a smaller meeting of just the top officials was held.

The Guardian said Karzai boiled over apparently at his frustration with the country he accuses of harbouring the Taliban. The Afghan president has long demanded that Pakistan bring the leadership of the Taliban to the negotiating table, including its chief, Mullah Mohammad Omar.

The Afghan side's main meeting was with the combined Pakistani civilian and military leadership, which went on for around three hours, with the Pakistani prime minister, foreign minister, army chief and head of the intelligence service all present.

At one point, apparently directing his remarks to Pakistan's Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, Karzai asked, "Would you be willing to stop girls studying in schools and universities in Pakistan?"

The Taliban, when it ruled Afghanistan in the 1990s, stopped the education of girls and banned women from working.

According to one insider, Karzai also bluntly demanded that Pakistan produce the Taliban to negotiate with him during his visit to the country. The source said that the Pakistani side was shocked by the Afghan leader's aggression.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Feb 2012 18:26

Member of an Elite Group
Pakistan on money-laundering blacklist

An international money-laundering watchdog added Pakistan, Indonesia, Ghana, Tanzania and Thailand on Thursday to its blacklist of nations that had failed to meet international standards.

flaunting recommendations made to them towards fighting money-laundering and financing terrorism

blacklist now includes 17 countries. Aside from the five new ones, they are: Bolivia, Cuba, Ethiopia, Iran, Kenya, Myanmar, Nigeria, North Korea, Sao Tome and Principe, Sri Lanka, Syria and Turkey. The grey-list includes 22 countries: Algeria, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Bangladesh, Brunei, Cambodia, Ecuador, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Morocco, Namibia, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Sudan, Tajikistan, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkmenistan, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen and Zimbabwe.—

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 17 Feb 2012 19:19

TFT

Once again, our great and glorious khakis have bitten off more than they can chew. With the US-Pak rift healed, deal done and all but announced, they're doing a rethink about some of their bargaining chips. Our mole reports that the Defence of Pakistan guys are going to be reined in, and their funding frozen, until further notice. If the US reunion doesn't work out, they'll be unleashed again. Rumour also has it that the Sheikh of Rawalpindi will soon find an excuse to distance himself from the DoP lot. Our mole also reports that The Great Khan will shortly slap his Vice President on the wrist for having appeared on the platform of the DoP in Karachi and making a blood-curdling statement on behalf of the tsunami which is about to sweep the country.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 17 Feb 2012 20:11

IED Mubarak!!!

Pakistan suicide attack kills 23

PESHAWAR: A suicide attacker on a motorcycle blew himself up in a market in a Pakistani town close to the Afghan border on Friday, killing 23 Shiite Muslims and wounding 50 people, officials said.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Feb 2012 20:26

anishns wrote:IED Mubarak!!!

Pakistan suicide attack kills 23

PESHAWAR: A suicide attacker on a motorcycle blew himself up in a market in a Pakistani town close to the Afghan border on Friday, killing 23 Shiite Muslims and wounding 50 people, officials said.

What is it about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday frequently sees incidents of green on green sectarian violence?

Meanwhile the death toll in this Fridays incident of Mohammaddens of the Sunni sect exterminating their co-religionists of the minority Shia sect has climbed to 26:

Sectarian attack kills at least 26 in Pakistan

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Feb 2012 20:35

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

In Karachi yet another Shia Mohammadden is reported as being killed in a case of green on green intra-Mohammadden blood-letting:

‘Sectarian attack’ leaves man dead

member_20617 · Post by **member_20617** » 17 Feb 2012 20:47

In the 8th century, the province of Sindh (in present day Pakistan) was conquered by an Arab army led by Muhammad bin Kasim.

This was Muslims’ first war on Hindus/India. It has since continued till the present time and does not look like abating for the foreseeable future. During the past 1200 years, millions of Hindus have been butchered by fanatic Islamists. This is the biggest genocide the world has ever seen. Millions of Hindus were converted by force, Hindu women raped or taken as concubines and temples razed or converted into mosques.

However, Pakistanis forget (?) that their ancestors were Hindus and these ex-Hindus, as I would describe them, are determined to finish off their Hindu brothers and sisters living in India. What a tragedy!

Hindus feel that Pakistanis are ‘wannabe Arabs’ when they are actually Indians/Hindus from historical point of view. Hindus feel that Pakis are betraying their Hindu ancestors. The real tragedy is that Pakis themselves are the product of Islamists. Their ancestors were killed/raped/converted by fanatic Muslims over several centuries.

Unlike British, we could not kick out Muslims from India as they were part of our community. The British took advantage of this historical divide and managed to create a separate country called Pakistan for Muslims. However, the majority of the Muslims decided to live in India. This means that the majority of Muslims rejected Pakistan. Hence Pakistan is an illegal country set up by British from a minority of a minority population. British also did not have any rights to rule India or to divide India into two countries.

Muslims of Pakistan see India as a Hindu country and not as a secular country. Also Islam teaches Muslims to fight against all Non-Muslims. Muslims also want to complete the unfinished business of Mogul Empire and convert all non-Muslims of India to Islam. This is their ultimate goal.

Kashmir has become a major issue between India and Pakistan. Kashmiri Hindus have been kicked out from Kashmir by the Islamists. Kashmiri Hindus have been made refugees in their own country! Unfortunately the Indian Government has done little to alleviate their plight.

The official policy of India is that all of Kashmir (including PoK) belongs to India. However, non-Kashmiris are not allowed to buy any property in Kashmir. This is in direct contrast to our official policy. If Kashmir belongs to India then any Indian should be allowed to buy land there and settle there. Article 370 prohibits Indians from settling in Kashmir and therefore this article must go! It is unconstitutional as ALL Indians are not treated equally! We need to learn from China how they have moved Han Chinese into Tibet and Xinjiang.

India wants peace but Pakistan wants to hurt India through ‘1000’ cuts.

Therefore India must also operate ‘1000’ cuts policy towards Pakistan. Only then will Pakis come to some senses (if they have any in the first place)!

We must take the battle into Pakistan.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Feb 2012 21:14

Shankaraa wrote:In the 8th century, the province of Sindh (in present day Pakistan) was conquered by an Arab army led by Muhammad bin Kasim.

This was Muslims’ first war on Hindus/India. It has since continued till the present time and does not look like abating for the foreseeable future. During the past 1200 years, millions of Hindus have been butchered by fanatic Islamists. This is the biggest genocide the world has ever seen. Millions of Hindus were converted by force, Hindu women raped or taken as concubines and temples razed or converted into mosques.

We must take the battle into Pakistan.

It wasn't first battle. It was first battle that they won. Many battles were fought before this date of 712 and they were defeated and pushed back. War is still on even after more than 1000 years.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 17 Feb 2012 21:24

However, the majority of the Muslims decided to live in India. This means that the majority of Muslims rejected Pakistan. Hence Pakistan is an illegal country set up by British from a minority of a minority population. British also did not have any rights to rule India or to divide India into two countries.

This is a very moot point and very subjective at that. This has also often been used in romantically inclined writings to somehow claim that there is no substantial population of Muslims within India who do not want separatism. One just needs to look at Hyderabad and Kashmir where the Muslims wanted (and want in the case of kashmir) to be seperate from India. This is indirect support to the 2 nation theory whichever way you look at it.

I have more thoughts on this like compelled to stay back in India due to various reasons does not necessarily imply rejecting the 2 nation theory. But it becomes OT for this thread.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2012 21:26

Anujan wrote:^^^^^
This is a well orchestrated charade. duffer e Pakistan is going to be rolled up. it is one of the conditions for resuming baksheesh from unkil and reopening NATO routes.

Good call Anujan.

See this by R-Man above:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1244588

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Feb 2012 21:36

offensive post deleted by moderator. Use caution with your wording.

archan · Post by **archan** » 17 Feb 2012 21:52

I think you are over piskoing in this thread and you have lately chosen to use poor language.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2012 22:12

vijayk, Wrong thread.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 17 Feb 2012 22:36

anishns wrote:IED Mubarak!!!

Pakistan suicide attack kills 23

Three more people were killed when police shot at protesters from the Shia community after the bombing in Parachinar, the main town in Kurram, an official said. A curfew was imposed in the town.

excellent, this is how governance should work.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 17 Feb 2012 22:54

Whale shark in Islamabad to become 'national heritage'

ISLAMABAD: The whale shark which was found dead on the Karachi shore was shifted to the Pakistan Museum of Natural History in Islamabad on Friday, Express News reported.

According to the briefing of the Pakistan Science Foundation, the 15-tonne-heavy fish has been moved to the museum where it will be preserved and kept as a national heritage.

Earlier, officials from the Karachi Fish Harbour Authority had claimed that the fish was actually government property and could not be put on display and had added that Haji Qasim, the man who had bought the whale shark for Rs200,000 would be compensated.

According to the director general of the Marine Fisheries Department (MFD), Shaukat Hussain, the whale shark was a 40.1-foot long female and weighed 15 tonnes. He said that this was the second largest fish to be found in Pakistan.

The director general added that a 41.5-foot long whale shark was found off Karachi’s coast in 1947.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 17 Feb 2012 22:56

chilarai wrote:http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=35336

Your life vest is under your seat !

PIA carries two passengers in plane's toilet

In this case your "life waste" is what is under the seat.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Feb 2012 23:54

ramana wrote:
Anujan wrote:^^^^^
This is a well orchestrated charade. duffer e Pakistan is going to be rolled up. it is one of the conditions for resuming baksheesh from unkil and reopening NATO routes.
Good call Anujan.
See this by R-Man above:http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1244588

Resumption of Khairat means Poaq panicked and requested the baksheesh. Now , lets wait for loan rescheduling which i believe is the real cause of present bending. But then does it means PRC did not Kiyanahi and sent the Jernail back Khali haath. OTOH, Uncle might have stalled the Gilgit Hunza transfer to China for the time being by writing this cheque.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 18 Feb 2012 03:00

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120218/punjab.htm#12

Pakistani intruder shot dead
PK Jaiswar
Tribune News Service

Amritsar, February 17
Jawans of the Border Security Force shot dead an unidentified Pakistani intruder while he was trying to infiltrate into Indian side of the border near Bharopal check-post last night.

A day earlier, the BSF jawans had recovered around Rs 2.73 lakh in fake currency from the same spot where the intruder was shot.

On being challenged, the intruder tried to escape, following which the BSF personnel opened fire. The Pakistani national was rushed to Guru Nanak Dev Hospital where he succumbed to his injuries.

Meanwhile, Customs officials at Attari-Wagah land route today nabbed a Bangladeshi national while he was trying to cross over to Pakistan without valid documents.

Identified as Abdul Memon Talkudar, a resident of Chasan village in Sunamganj district, the accused had an Indian visa till May 2012. A case has been registered at Gharinda police station.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Feb 2012 03:02

Remember the movie "Refugee".

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 Feb 2012 06:05

Duffer-e-Pakistan is just the latest step in the playbook of the military, but is also a bit different.

Usually when the TFTA army feels that the civvies are cutting a deal with the US, they use their proxies to stir up trouble and to demonstrate to the civvies and the US that the TFTAs can cause problems for them. This was true during the Kerry-Lugar bill, when TFTAs sensed that the civvies were working to get money for civvies and curtail Khakhi power. The army sponsored lifafa journalists shouted themselves hoarse, protests were organized ityadi. The bill was actually quite sensible, which tied civilian assistance to Pakistan to the condition that the Pakis should not have a coup. This was protested as a violation of national honor!!

The Duffer-e-Pakistan is just the latest demonstration against two things. The civvies normalizing trade ties with India and the US cutting a deal with the civvies for reopening NATO trade routes. However, I feel that things are slightly different:

Duffer-e-Pakistan has non-military support as well, from various trader associations who are opposed to Pak-India free trade. In fact bulk of the money for the Lahore rally came from them. In addition the services of Duffer-e-Pakistan will be used by the PTI (and the khakhis) to get votes/intimidate voters/muscle people during the upcoming elections. Duffer-e-Pakistan is also different in the sense that they seem to be well organized with internet savvy people and are looking for a way to legitimize various terror groups. In addition, they strangely seem to follow the prescription laid out in "Secularizing Islamists" by Humeira Iqtidar, where she argues that all terrorists in Pakistan will capture political power and somehow become "secular"*. In this sense they are trying to encroach upon the territory of more "political" yahoos like Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (who are politicians who support Jihad, as opposed to Duffer-e-Pakistan who are Jihadis who want to enter politics). The wily Maulana Fazlur Rehman has sensed this, declined to participate in Duffer-e-Pakistan and is forming his own Duffer-e-Islam group.

*That argument is quite laughable. Humeira Iqtidar confuses "secularism" with "new definition of normal". Maybe in the 1970s killing a governor by his own bodyguard is not "normal", but it is "normal" in Pakistan these days. So has Pakistan become "secular"? No it hasnt. Just that bulk of Pakistan is resigned to Qadrification as "normal behavior". Similarly if JuD/LeT is nurtured into a political organization, they will make fringe behavior as normal. You can read her muddle headed ramblings here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... lationship

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 Feb 2012 07:37

Is Punishing Pakistan a Solution ? - Part II : Pakistan Watch Blog

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Feb 2012 07:55

If you have the patience, please watch this series of 3 videos, Al Jazeera from about 2008-9 recording the Pakistan army side of the Battle for Bajaur. The videos are in order - 1, 2 and 3. Several thoughts and conclusions occur to me watching them in 2012. At least one of them - the third was posted on BRF as an example of Pakistani army downhill skiing. First the links:

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kPATeoZfUE
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR6LHw_7Dfk
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITHWXTe6hi8

Thoughts/conclusions/speculation/questions:

I don't know the status of Bajaur specifically but in 2012 these areas have not been pacified. The war is still on. The US is unable to get the Pakistani army to pacify and occupy its side. And this fact is blamed for the US's inability to pacify and occupy the Afghan side
The guerilla tactics and defence used by the so called "taliban" are actually shown very well in the first 2 videos. The remind me of what I used to read of the Viet Cong in the 70s. Assuming that the weapons and and war supplies of teh Taliban" are endless, this war appears unwinnable
I feel sorry for the villagers. Their homes are finished, as are their lives. The Pakistan army is using tanks, artillery and gunships, and still not winning. I like to accuse the Paki army of perfidy, but the US is using similar stuff and not winning. And they are causing great disruption to the local villagers, whose ability to live their is disrupted for generations. That bunch ain't gonna be vaccinated against polio or produce PhDs
I can only reiterate my admiration for the officers and men of the Indian army who have to face the same guerilla tactics in Kashmir but still manage to dominate without using tanks or helicopter gunships and without displacing entire towns and villages. there is something that the Indian army/India is doing that neither Pakistan nor the US are able to do in those areas.
Some scenes remind me of photos of rural Punjab . The Pakistan side is probably similar and any attempt by India (after an invasion/takeover) to do what Pakistan is doing in those areas will put our own men facing the same issues that the Pakis and US army are facing.
Two facts come out in two separate videos. Many of those villages had sharia in operation and the Pakistan government rarely entered these areas. Given that this is all 60 years after partition, it is clear that while Pakistan was fighting war after war for Kashmir, being supported by the very arms they are using against these villagers, these area were left alone, ungoverned and uncontrolled. This is what most of these areas were probably like 1000 years ago. What we are seeing in these videos is an attempt by "modern nation states" (USA, Pakistan) to try and occupy these regions and bring them under the rules of modern nation states. Why should they join Pakistan? The only reason seems to be that Pakistan is next door and the US supports Pakistan in this endeavour.
If those remote rural areas used to live under sharia anyway, what is the Pakistani state, encouraged by the USA, bringing to them that is better?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 18 Feb 2012 09:59

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 18 Feb 2012 11:58

Shiv ji , Why is it that so many Indians(includes PIOs) are ever willing to go easy on America even when presented by irrefutable evidence that if not for American aid Pakistan as we know it wouldn't even be existing today ?

I remember one exchange that I had with one of my friends some time back.He was criticizing China for its support to Pakistan saying that by supplying nuclear weapons to Pakistan it had boosted the Paki strength to a point that combat between India and Pakistan was now infeasible.I told him that he was completely right but then by the same yardstick America is an even bigger culprit as without the American aid Pakistani Army wouldn't even be able to pay its half million soldiers their salaries regularly, thereby putting a question mark on its continued existence.

It is indeed surprising that so many Indians including nationalist BRFites lose objectivity and continue to overlook America's role in fostering the Paki menace.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 18 Feb 2012 12:43

darshan:

The Anglo support for TSP(A) has its roots in the partition of India. The PIOs can not change that.

They can however, try to become more influential in facilitating a change in the US policy. But something which went on for more than five decades can not change overnight, especially when it comes to dealing with a wh*re with 3.5 clients.

hakim ji has concluded that without the US money the TSPA will not survive in its current form since none of the other 2.5 clients will be as generous. He is probably right.

But the wh*re provides so many other services to the US and her allies (vassals) that the US can not let go of the wh*re. Plus there is there is the issue of too many good times in the past, and the skeletons they would have left behind; blackmail at the individual level can often influence decisions.

Do realize that the US is also losing good men and a huge amount of money thanks to the action of the wh*re. It is not that India is bleeding while the US is enjoying the phoonks; the US is bleeding too. It is a SNAFU situation.

The good thing is that so far the US presence in Afghanistan has reduced the TSPA pressure on India. It has also lead to divided attention where the wh*re is splitting her services.

hakimji believes that the PRC will not replace the US; we have an entire thread devoted to that. I believe that a wh*re who serves multiple masters is probably better for India instead of a wh*re who is dedicated to servicing the needs of the major geopolitical and economic rival India faces in the region.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 18 Feb 2012 13:09

Vikram ji , Thanks for your inputs.

The Anglo support for TSP(A) has its roots in the partition of India. The PIOs can not change that.

I am not saying that PIOs change it overnight.It is just that many of them(apart from many other Indians) are ever willing to overlook US indiscretions in Indian Subcontinent.

They can however, try to become more influential in facilitating a change in the US policy

Appreciate their efforts and Hope that they are successful.

hakim ji has concluded that without the US money the TSPA will not survive in its current form since none of the other 2.5 clients will be as generous. He is probably right.

You are almost right.You would have been 100% right if not for the word "probably" in the above statement.

hakimji believes that the PRC will not replace the US

I agree with Shivji on this .Reason being , even when PRC's economy becomes greater than USA's(it should happen by 2020 on ppp basis) , its per capita income will still be a fraction of USA. I seriously doubt if they will ever agree to finance Pakistan as generously as Americans.Additionally from what I have observed PRC behaves like a businessman.If a venture is not profitable enough(For eg. Pakistan) , it will not sink its hard earned money there.It might continue to make investments in Pakistan on case to case basis but Free Aid to Pakis is highly improbable.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Feb 2012 14:29

darshhan wrote:Shiv ji , Why is it that so many Indians(includes PIOs) are ever willing to go easy on America even when presented by irrefutable evidence that if not for American aid Pakistan as we know it wouldn't even be existing today ?

My reply here
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1244940

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Feb 2012 15:04

VikramS wrote: Do realize that the US is also losing good men and a huge amount of money thanks to the action of the wh*re.

In my view the US has become too greedy at the top and too uncaring of its bottom half. Funnily enough the "caste system" and "untouchability" blah blah blah are all variants of exactly this attitude.

Sorry. OT

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 18 Feb 2012 18:13

Tamang wrote:Whale shark in Islamabad to become 'national heritage'

ISLAMABAD: The whale shark which was found dead on the Karachi shore was shifted to the Pakistan Museum of Natural History in Islamabad on Friday, Express News reported.

According to the briefing of the Pakistan Science Foundation, the 15-tonne-heavy fish has been moved to the museum where it will be preserved and kept as a national heritage.

Earlier, officials from the Karachi Fish Harbour Authority had claimed that the fish was actually government property and could not be put on display and had added that Haji Qasim, the man who had bought the whale shark for Rs200,000 would be compensated.

According to the director general of the Marine Fisheries Department (MFD), Shaukat Hussain, the whale shark was a 40.1-foot long female and weighed 15 tonnes. He said that this was the second largest fish to be found in Pakistan.

The director general added that a 41.5-foot long whale shark was found off Karachi’s coast in 1947.

Bet they had a whole new type of biriyani that evening.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 18 Feb 2012 18:56

there is FAR too much of discussion about US on this thread. while it is a factor, a major one at that, this has caused the thread to become unfocused from its core objective, discussing TSP.

henceforth kindly restrict the US specific discussions to the US thread unless there is a direct bearing on TSP.
Rahul.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 Feb 2012 20:40

BRFites, watch this space. Get your popcorn and beer ready. This is the outcome of the meeting between the pakis and the eyerainians. Pakistan to launch operation against Jundullah

Pakistan has decided to launch an operation against a banned militant organisation active in Balochistan

Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was in Islamabad this week to attend a regional summit had pressed the Pakistani authorities to take action against Jundullah

And, so that we have clarity on this issue: Islamabad assured the visiting president that Pakistan would not allow any group to use its territory to launch terrorism against neighbouring countries.

Reminds me of the joke which had Hanuman, Ram, Sita and Ravana in it.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 18 Feb 2012 21:33

This may not go too far, but Pakis have got angry

A U.S. lawmaker on Friday introduced a resolution calling for self-determination in restive Balochistan, triggering an angry response from Pakistan, although the measure looked unlikely to pass.

Republican Representative Dana Rohrabacher said that Baloch people—divided now among Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan—should be allowed to choose their status. Pakistan’s Balochistan has been torn by insurgency since 2004.

A resolution sponsored by Rohrabacher and two fellow Republicans said the Baloch people “have the right to self-determination and to their own sovereign country, and they should be afforded the opportunity to choose their own status.”

The administration of U.S. President Barack Obama, who belongs to the rival Democratic Party, declined to send a representative to testify before Rohrabacher’s subcommittee and said it considered Balochistan part of Pakistan.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Feb 2012 21:54

Can Pakistan's state airline fly through tough times?

On a recent Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight, water flowed from the toilets through the aisles during the entire journey from London to Islamabad.

In many ways the airline mirrors the way Pakistan -- a strategic U.S. ally often described as a failing state -- is run.

The same inefficiency, nepotism and corruption that critics say have prevented the government from tackling a Taliban insurgency, crippling power cuts, ethnic violence and widespread poverty also threaten to bring down the airline.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Feb 2012 22:07

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I asked not to discuss US in this thread.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 18 Feb 2012 22:12

Second Strike delivered

Washington, D.C. – Today, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) introduced a House Concurrent Resolution that the Baluch nation has a historic right to self-determination. Baluchistan is currently divided between Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan with no sovereign rights of its own. In Pakistan especially, the Baluch people are subjected to violence and extrajudicial killing. The bill states that the Baluch people “have the right to self-determination and to their own sovereign country; and they should be afforded the opportunity to choose their own status.
“The Baluch, like other nations of people, have an innate right to self-determination,” says Rohrabacher. “The political and ethnic discrimination they suffer is tragic and made more so because America is financing and selling arms to their oppressors in Islamabad.”
Reps. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) and Steve King (R-IA) have also signed on as original co-sponsors of the bill.
Rep. Rohrabacher is Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

http://rohrabacher.house.gov/News/Docum ... tID=281121

Pak lurks: Watch out for the Baluch Third Strike. This is gonna hurt you very bad.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Feb 2012 22:25

I see the boulder budge!