abhishek_sharma wrote:tsarkar wrote:Yes, my friend, they did allow military leadership to Indians.
So how many Indians were able to become the admirals of the navy?
You haven't answered how many non-royalty non-clan non-family military performers became leaders of Ancient Indian armies?
Maybe you didnt read, Sqn. Ldr. Arjan Singh, Sqn. Ldr. Haider, Sqn. Ldr. Prithpal Singh, Wg. Cdr. Subroto Mukherjee, Sqn. Ldr. Majithia, Sqn. Ldr. Niranjan Prasad, Jumbo Majumdar, Mehar Singh and Hem Chaudhuri commanded squadrons. Cariappa had reached flag rank and was a brigade commander.
uddu wrote:Even you question how a Gurukul can be different from a Madrassa or a theological place.
Because nothing apart from theology was on the curriculum. Same holds true for a Monastary, Vihara or a Madarssa. If you know the curriculum was different, and Science, Civics and other subjects were taught, then please do share.
uddu wrote:Have you watched the movie last Samurai? It shows how they lacked discipline when modernity took over.
No uddu, we cannot use that
movie as a reference, because its incorrect and pure fiction. While the screenplay is entertaining, it is not the truth. WW2 was a battle for industrial resources, and had nothing to do with Japanese religion or identity.
uddu wrote:If Indian soliders were much more disciplined even under British, it gives credit to Indian culture and Indian civilization values.
Can you substantiate your statement by providing references of collective discipline of Indians in any wars before 1612? Can you explain why Vitthal Vinchurkar and Damaji Gaikwad went on a cavalry charge instead of protecting the Gardi musketeers as ordered at Panipat? Is this not a classic example of indiscipline that lost the battle?
Hitesh wrote:Some of the information you have cited could only have come from a person who is ensrhined in the well established western bias against dharmic religions.
Funny, since you’ve touched on my religious affiliation, let me share my religious affiliation.
There was an ancestral Kali temple in my zamindari at Khulna that we rebuilt at Giridih at Bihar after partition, and thereafter moved it to Gobordanga in South 24 Paraganas after re-establishing the zamindari. The temple isn’t a family shrine, but a full fledged temple able to accommodate the entire village during festivals. My family has been celebrating Kali Puja for the entire village for the last 150 years at Khulna, Giridih and Gobordanga. Our zamindari, and our religious affiliation, is well known in the entire district. I am an orthodox Hindu. We are a family of professional warriors. My uncle, Major Bhaskar Roy, won the Maha Vir Chakra for his actions in 1965.
However, my family and I place professionalism over religion. Our service is our religion.
Hitesh wrote:Have you ever considered the Malabar Navy?
Did that navy show any innovation in battle? It was courageous, but was it innovative? No. All they made was massed boat charges. Despite Italians competing against Portuguese monopoly providing them cannons. More here. Having said that, their bravery is respected by naming INDQ as INS Kunjali.
Hitesh wrote:We have naval traditions that extended more than 2000 years ago.
I don’t deny that? But do we have any
examples of virtues exhibited in military organization or at war? No. No one can set mythology as the guiding principle. It is Djinn philosophy.
I will ignore the rest of your post since it is immature emotional ranting. And despite all your emotional wailing, you have not provided one single instance of meritocracy in military organization in Hindu mythology or Indian history.
Lastly, my countrymen, Indian Navy is strong today because it’s professional, and not because it’s Indian. Ethnicity has never won battles throughout history across the world. Professionalism has on every occasion.
Let us build, honour and respect that professionalism instead of emotionally letting ethnicity take precedence over professionalism. This is my appeal as a professional to my countrymen.
My final remark on this subject is that the White Ensign is a mark of respect to professionalism at sea and has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity