Bugti calls on government to stop “repeating India’s name like a parrot”

Bugti's eight conditions to remove "trust deficit":Arun Roperia wrote:Balochistan unrest created by Pakistan, not India: Bugti
LONDON: Pakistan welcomed the idea of resuming cooperation with the United States on counter-terrorism and Afghanistan after its parliament reviews badly strained ties, a senior US official said on Thursday. The official gave an upbeat assessment of talks between the US and Pakistani foreign ministers designed to help repair relations frayed by a November incident in which U.S. aircraft killed 24 Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border.US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar that the United States fully respected the Pakistani parliament’s need to review relations carefully but also stressed the need to resume joint work.linton told Rabbani that “we had to get ready to get back into business with Pakistan and that that was particularly important (on) areas such as counter-terrorism, working together on some of the regional questions, very much to include Afghanistan”, said the US official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.“The foreign minister was very welcoming of that,” the US official added as he briefed on the ministers’ one-hour, 15-minute meeting in London, where Clinton is attending a conference on Somalia.
WASHINGTON: A US newspaper has claimed that a secret meeting between DG ISI Lt General Ahmed Shuja Pasha and CIA chief Gen David Petraeus was held this month.
The paper said the meeting took place this month in which both the officials discussed anti-terror cooperation between the two countries.The report further stated that the US wanted to send special envoy to Pakistan Afghanistan Mark Grossman along with a high level delegation to Pakistan.
There is something to learn from cheenis. We need to learn to deny and keep a straight face while doing it. Rhetoric and psy ops have their place.venug wrote:We (MMS) anyway acknowledged that we are involved in Balochistan, so why go covert, overtly support Balochistan. Along with ANA, train Balochi freedom fighters. Let people like C. Fair make noises about our involvement, we always can give moral support the way TSP does and also now we are relatively well off, fund BLA. Everything is fair. An eye for an eye and thousand cuts for thousand cuts.
In 2005, for example, a 7.6-magnitude earthquake killed 75,000 people in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. After four solid years of war in the region, the United States poured relief services into Pakistan as a show of solidarity with the nominal ally in the war on terror.The U.S. intelligence community took advantage of the chaos to spread resources of its own into the country. Using valid U.S. passports and posing as construction and aid workers, dozens of Central Intelligence Agency operatives and contractors flooded in without the requisite background checks from the country's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency. Al-Qaeda had reconstituted itself in the country's tribal areas, largely because of the ISI's benign neglect.The Pakistani army was focused on the threat from India and had redeployed away from the Afghanistan border region, the Durand line, making it porous once again. To some extent, the Bush administration had been focused on Iraq for the previous two years, content with the ISI's cooperation in capturing senior al-Qaeda leaders, while ignoring its support of other groups that would later become recruiting grounds for al-Qaeda.
A JSOC intelligence team slipped in alongside the CIA. The team had several goals. One was prosaic: team members were to develop rings of informants to gather targeting information about al-Qaeda terrorists. Other goals were extremely sensitive: JSOC needed better intelligence about how Pakistan transported its nuclear weapons and wanted to penetrate the ISI. Under a secret program code-named SCREEN HUNTER, JSOC, augmented by the Defense Intelligence Agency and contract personnel, was authorized to shadow and identify members of the ISI suspected of being sympathetic to al-Qaeda. It is not clear whether JSOC units used lethal force against these ISI officers; one official said that the goal of the program was to track terrorists through the ISI by using disinformation and psychological warfare. (The program, by then known under a different name, was curtailed by the Obama administration when Pakistan's anxiety about a covert U.S. presence inside the country was most intense.)Forward intelligence cells in Pakistan are staffed by JSOC-contracted security personnel from obscure firms with insider names such as Triple Canopy and various offshoots of Blackwater, but it is not clear whether, as Jeremy Scahill of The Nation has argued, the scale of these operations was operationally significant or that the contractors acted as hired guns for the U.S. government. Sources say that only U.S. soldiers performed "kinetic" operations; Scahill's sources suggest otherwise. The security compartments were so small for these operations (one By the end of 2011, SEALs and the CIA Special Activities Division ground branch were crossing the border to target militants whom Pakistan would not. Presently, Task Force Green (also known as TF 3-10) is the active counterterrorist task force in Afghanistan.
Over the last two months, a small faction of Congressmen has laid the foundation for an alternative Afghanistan-Pakistan policy. They do not favour strengthening relations with the Pakistan government nor do they accept normalising relations with the Taliban, if it leads to Pashtun dominance in Afghanistan. Instead, they propose backing remnants of the Northern Alliance seeking to establish semi-autonomous provinces in Afghanistan and Baloch nationalists hoping to create an independent state of Balochistan.In one broad stroke, their proposed “Berlin Mandate” would redraw the political borders of the region contrary to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of two of the administration’s most important partners in the War on Terrorism, as well as Iran. While their initiative might not have broad domestic or international support, their policy proposal is maturing and garnering increased attention as a result of a number of high-profile events. Whether you agree or disagree with their new AfPak approach, it is critical to understand its rapid evolution over the last few months and recognise that their efforts to promote self-determination in the region will not end with the Balochistan sovereignty bill.
Berlin Strategy Session
In early January, Congressman Dana Rohrabacher led an unofficial strategic exchange with Afghanistan’s newly formed National Front. Held in Berlin, the meeting reportedly discussed “alternatives to Hamid Karazi’s consideration of including the Taliban in Afghanistan’s coalition government.” Representatives Louie Gohmert (R-TX) and Steve King (R-IA), as well as Afghanistan’s former intelligence chief, were in attendance.The attendees explored constitutional reforms that would make Afghanistan a federal system. By vesting political and economic power in the provinces, they argued that pro-American minority ethnic groups could be safeguarded.Following the meeting, Rohrabacher expressed fear that the re-emergence of the Taliban as a major political force in Afghanistan risks “(betraying) those Americans who shed their blood in the last decade” and selling out “the brave Afghans in the North Alliance who cast their lot with (the United States) after 9/11 in order to defeat the Taliban dictatorship.”
.”Gohmert’s SOTU Comments
Only a few weeks later, Congressman Gohmert’s rebuttal following the US State of the Union (SOTU) intensified the debate. In video remarks following Obama’s address, Gohmert argued: “We need to rearm the people who are the natural enemy of our enemy, the Taliban. That’s the Northern Alliance.”By pushing for the arming of internal groups, Gohmert further challenged Afghanistan’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. But, he did not stop there. In the same breadth, he also called for the independence of Balochistan from Pakistan: “Let’s talk about creating a Balochistan in the southern part of Pakistan. They’ll stop the IEDs [improvised explosive devices] and all the weaponry coming into Afghanistan, and we got a shot to win over there
Eddie Walsh is a senior foreign correspondent who covers Africa and Asia-Pacific. He also serves as a non-resident fellow at Pacific Forum CSIS.Over the horizon
In-speaking with those following the Berlin faction in Congress, the general sentiment is that the introduction of the new Balochistan bill is not their final move. They almost certainly will continue to pursue support for both the Northern Alliance and Baloch nationalists regardless of whether or not they can garner support for the new bill. Such efforts are likely to further frustrate the Obama Administration, State Department, and Governments of Pakistan and Afghanistan as they seek to work together on policies for the region post-US troop draw-down. However, it is unlikely that the Berlin faction will accept just frustrating the administration. Instead, they probably will seek to seriously challenge the administration on its AfPak policy record using Balochistan as the lever. This could present a major challenge to the status quo powers involved, especially in a presidential election year in the United States.
IMHO!! In the long term it will benefit for the people of India to let know Chinese and Americans that Pakistan is Indian territory!! Pakistan is a FALSE COUNTRY! a country based on FALSE Notions!! it was land of India and will always remain india!! even god didn't created any barriers (rivers, mountains, etc) between Indian and naPakistan. The sooner our IFS people do it the better it will be!In the long term the people of Pakistan and India will benefit by moving the US out. Asia is our land mass.
You mean Daulat Beg Oldie??Jhujar wrote:Bajwa Saab
Dont fall for the old tricks of the Oldie. Oldie is talking to the Goldies of Djinahdolanders.
Peshawar - Suicide bombers armed with assault rifles and grenades attacked a police station in the northwestern Pakistan city of Peshawar early on Friday, killing three officers in an assault authorities said was likely in revenge for offensives against nearby strongholds.
I hope that what was not done for 60 years will get done in 10 yearsVictor wrote:IMO, it's useless "hoping" any sense settles on paki intelligence. The inbreeding has irreversibly mutated them into a baser form of orc on the wrong side of evolution. It's also useless complaining about what unkil-auntee have done. We need to man up and do what we need to do first--take back PoK and arm the Northern Alliance with Su-30mkis and Prithvis. We get access to Central Asia, NA gets access to the sea and the Chinese get their nuts handed to them. In IOR we need to establish a potent Indian Gan mein danda (fighter-bomber & sub base on Gan Island) and keep the chinese out with a pistol up the rectum of the Maldivian thugs if necessary. Turn Andamans into a mega fortress-cum-aircraft-carrier on a war footing, not like pussies. These are not just our right but our duty and if they are done, everything else will fall into place. If we can't accomplish these things in the next 10 years, or worse, if we don't even have such a plan, we have nobody to blame but ourselves for being treated like dirt by pup nations, forget unkil-auntee.
Can't say! I presume yes, since A_Gupta posted the news here!SSridhar wrote:Why are we even discussing this case here ? Was the exonerated defendant a Pakistani immigrant ?
Not one word about the relentless terror unleashed on India by TSP, but a sly oblique reference to TSP's allegations
India, the regional superpower, is largely to blame. Though it is a democracy and has easily the biggest economy and armed forces in South Asia, it has rarely been a force for good. Instead it has treated the neighbours, by turns, with negligence and high-handedness.
And then the colonial pat on the back for being good girl scouts in Afghanistan
Pakistan says its old foe is supporting separatists in the province of Baluchistan. It has offered no evidence for the claim. But past Indian arrogance makes neighbours ready to believe anything.
And for all the accusations of anti-Pakistan meddling in Afghanistan, Indian efforts are accomplishing some good there: training police, and building roads and electricity lines. All over the region, India is opening new consulates. It may even recruit more diplomats
Sorry, if I posted the news item in the wrong thread. It was meant to be in the Islamophobia thread only.SSridhar wrote:Why are we even discussing this case here ? Was the exonerated defendant a Pakistani immigrant ?
It is a wonderfully apt name. But probably it is his cousin Hakimullah Oldie.Hari Seldon wrote:You mean Daulat Beg Oldie??Jhujar wrote:Bajwa Saab
Dont fall for the old tricks of the Oldie. Oldie is talking to the Goldies of Djinahdolanders.
The difference between the Adiala Seven and the hundreds of Sangats is that the former are Punjabis and Deobandis and the latter are Baloch and secular. The Punjabi conscience is hurt when a Punjabi is tortured even if he belongs to a terrorist organisation and openly claims to want to kill anyone who does not subscribe to his fascist ideology. Punjabi anchors and judges can take on a most revered and lionised institution, the army, when a Punjabi is kidnapped or tortured. But let the entire Baloch nation be brutalised, and no media conscience is hurt. It is not that the media does not report the inhuman atrocities unleashed on the Baloch. Newspapers do editorialise on the Baloch. But mostly it is the English language newspapers that do so. Very few Pakistanis read English language newspapers. Whenever our Urdu newspapers report the Baloch problem, they temper it with banalities like ‘foreign hand’ and ‘Baloch terrorists’. Our talk show anchors do discuss the Baloch problem. But they always bring on ‘experts’ who denounce Baloch human rights campaigners (such as Sangat) by calling them Indian agents. Mostly these ‘experts’ are retired generals or their lackeys.
The Punjabi ruling elite has not learned any lesson from history. In the past it was the Bengalis whom the Punjabi media and the Punjabi generals called traitors. What the Bengalis wanted were their fundamental human rights. Now the same arrogant mindset is calling the Baloch a bunch of traitors financed by India, Israel, and the CIA. And Rehman Malik has the shameless chutzpah of declaring ‘amnesty’ for Baloch leaders. His own colleague, Israrullah Zehri, Federal Minister for Food Security and a Baloch himself, has said that he does not trust Rehman Malik. Amnesty for what crime? Is demanding one’s natural rights such a crime that the queasy Punjabi conscience is outraged and then the same conscience is filled with compassion for the traitors and consents to offer them amnesty?I believe we can save Pakistan from being dismembered for the second time. I believe that the Baloch leaders will opt to live with and in Pakistan if the abusive and anti-Baloch Frontier Corps (FC) is withdrawn from Balochistan, its abuses and atrocities investigated and made public, and the culprits in its ranks punished. The Baloch should be given provincial autonomy as per Pakistan’s constitution. This can be a good beginning. But I am afraid that the Punjabi mindset is not tailored to treat others with respect. Punjabis can either enslave others or be willing slaves to others. One sincerely hopes that some sense will prevail before it is tool late.
devesh wrote:archan wrote:Lets not make statements that take the credit away from pakis. Pakis deserve full credit of the cesspool they have created for them. I see a lot of people looking for a chance to pass a comment on Islam. The Arab countries have done well financially. Granted it is oil, but it is an industry nonetheless.
It is pakis that have messed up pakistan. Give them full credit.
is this a "moderating" comment? as in, is this some rule that we're not supposed to cross? or is this merely your belief/observation? I would like to know b/c Islam deserves full credit along with other issues for creating Pakistan. and I don't intend to sugar coat that truth. and if it is a "rule" that you are propounding, then the other mods need to make their stand clear on this ridiculous proposal of "blaming Pakis" and "not blaming Islam". that is one heck of an oxymoron if I've ever seen one!
Change that to Pakjabis and we are in business!!! Only punjabi musalmaans are willing to be slave of Arabians, Americans, Chinese and whoever!! as they have been (in built in their genetic code) and will always!! only way possible is to enslave pakjabis and treat them like slave! The worst you treat them the better they will be for humanity!! Problem is that our leaders are too scared of their loud threats (Geedar Bhabhki i.e. threat of a jackal).by Jujhar
Punjabis can either enslave others or be willing slaves to others.
Pakistan's military has agreed to the resumption of the United States' drone strikes against terrorist groups operating on its soil, highly-placed diplomatic sources told The Hindu .
The agreement, the sources said, was hammered out by Inter-Services Intelligence chief Lieutenant-General Shuja Ahmad Pasha and Central Intelligence Agency director David Petraeus at a secret meeting in Doha last month. {Has Shuja Pasha extended his tenure by another year now because of this ?}
The pact ends a six-week cessation of operation that began after a November 26, 2011 U.S. airstrike claimed the lives of 24 Pakistani soldiers.
Islamabad had responded to the deaths by shutting down drone flights from the Shamsi in Balochistan, and ordering dozens of CIA staff out of the country.
Pakistan's intelligence chief also agreed, the sources said, to allow the CIA to expand its presence at the Shahbaz airbase near Abbottabad. The base is a key hub for the CIA's field networks to identify targets and plant electronic microchips that guide drone-fired missiles to their targets.
The drone agreement, a senior western official familiar with the negotiations told The Hindu , was driven by Pakistani intelligence's desire for greater influence in ongoing negotiations in Doha between the U.S. and the Taliban.
It also reflected, he said, the realisation that the U.S. support would be critical to rescheduling repayment of loans from the International Monetary Fund and other multilateral institutions.
Nine drone strikes have taken place since the meeting. Badr Mansoor, believed by the CIA to be al-Qaeda's seniormost Pakistani commander, was killed in one attack on February 9. Aslam Awan, another alleged al-Qaeda commander, was killed in a strike on January 10.
Even though upwards of 30 people have been killed in the new wave of strikes, there have been no protest from the Pakistan Army or politicians — in stark contrast to the fury aroused by similar attacks last year.
ISI about-turn
Leaked U.S. diplomatic cables show that both Pakistan Army Chief Parvez Kayani and Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani had secretly authorised the drone campaign, even while opposing it in public.
The Pakistan Army, however, stepped up its opposition to the drone programme last year, seeking to use it as a bargaining chip to deter CIA operations targeting terrorist networks with close links to the ISI, like the Lashkar-e-Taiba and Afghan jihadist Sirajuddin Haqqani's networks.
Following a strike directed at Taliban commander Hafiz Gul Bahadur, which claimed over 40 lives, General Kayani called the drone operations “intolerable.”
The drone war, his aides privately argued, had made Pakistan a target of retaliatory bombings by terrorists, and diminished the ISI's influence with jihadist groups at home and in Afghanistan.
Figures compiled by the Washington, DC-based New America Foundation show there were 362 drone strikes last year, in which between 362 and 500 jihadists were killed. In 2010, the U.S. carried out 581 strikes, killing up to 939.
The use of phrases 'at this stage' & 'at this juncture' mean that Pakistan is expecting some big concession from India soon and is playing safe therefore. Liberalized visas, withdrawal of objection to EU etc. are already done deals and Pakistan knows that India does not de-commit. So this must be something else.Fielding questions on Balochistan at the routine briefing of the Foreign Office, Mr. Basit's reply to questions on the involvement of foreign hands in the situation in the province was: “There has been evidence of this. Let us not talk about this now. The government is cognisant of the issues involved and is trying to handle all the issues politically.”
Asked how it was that Baloch separatist leaders took asylum in Europe when Pakistan has traditionally blamed India of supporting them, he said: “Without blaming any country, there has been evidence of foreign powers trying to destabilise Balochistan. At this stage, it is better not to engage in public recrimination because the government is working very hard to resolve our own internal problems politically.”
On being reminded of the mention of Balochistan in the joint statement issued by India and Pakistan after the two Prime Ministers met at Sharm-el-Sheikh in Egypt in July 2009 and whether the Foreign Office's refusal to point the accusing finger at New Delhi now reflected a shift in policy, Mr. Basit said: “There has been evidence but we do not want to take names at this juncture”; adding that Pakistan was committed to not interfering in the internal affairs of other countries and expected reciprocity on this count.
Iran under sanctions, Pakistan in economic turmoil. So Iran is saving dollars and for Pakistan with its huge inflation, sure barter trade will help them both. Can any one tell what type of economic changes will Pakistan have by this barter trade .Arav wrote:Barter deal in the offing with Tehran
ISLAMABAD: Sitting over a huge surplus wheat stock and ........... that too under a barter trade deal....
KARACHI: More than ten blasts blew up the railway tracks in various areas of Sindh on Saturday morning, DawnNews reported.
This is a thought that I have had and expressed. But the extension of this thought is that India needs vicious enemies to be strong. If one problem just vanishes we ill relax and let things slip. World domination requires that you are strong in the absence of credible enemies.nvishal wrote:@shiv
India would have never developed a military capability as the one it has today if it weren't for hostilities from invaders or colonizers. I'm not saying that US/pak/china combine is a blessing in disguise. I'm saying, look at the "opportunity" they have forced upon india.