Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 25 Feb 2012 16:31

Capability is a combination of tangible and intangible resources. It takes time to build it. And it can be exhausted very quickly if you're not thinking long term; operation parakram. Hence all the reluctance. You just cannot expect to march through pakistan bypassing its strategic allies.

Taking on three nuclear states is not brave or strong; it's madness. 9/11 made it absolutely clear that the strategic ally not only incurs a cost on india but on US homeland also. A nuclear iran and a bunch of tanzims looking for independent foreign policy will change the strategic game forever.

Remember, the tanzims are an integral part of islam. They cannot be killed. They can only be channeled.

World domination requires that you are strong in the absence of credible enemies.

Not FOR but AGAINST the prevailing apparatus.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Feb 2012 19:02

among democracies Khan is unique there is a domestic civilian tolerance for huge and sustained mil spending in the absense of any strong enemies! the public is kept in some sort of worked up mood by a pliant media and state apparatus about 'emergent threats'

none of EU/brazil/india can claim that!

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 25 Feb 2012 22:33

Sindh Liberation Army (SLA) emerges and claims responsiblity for railway line explosions!

ISI Chief Gen Pasha replaces General Kidwai on Nuke security.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Feb 2012 23:39

Osama's house is being demolished now.

Also Pasha might head the strategic plans division.

http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/25/governme ... nsion.html

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 25 Feb 2012 23:47

Unkil is putting multiple unglis in TSP's mush it seems.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Feb 2012 00:09

Kidwai has been heading the SPD from the days of Alexander. And has been given extension after extension. At several times there have been talks of replacing him, but nothing has happened. He seems to have the backing of very powerful people.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 26 Feb 2012 01:13

Anujan wrote:Osama's house is being demolished now.

I told you so moment! I was so certain of this that I mistook the attack on kakul academy nearby with attack on the villa. Took about a month to materialize.

That building is a symbol of both jihadi and paki army humiliation. As long as it exist it will remind them of their collective rape by unkil sam. So, the building will be taken down in very near future..you can count on it 100%. Puki army will need many more jihadis for its afghan strategy to play fully and taking that building down will be seen as morale booster

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 26 Feb 2012 01:53

Government decides against Pasha extension

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 26 Feb 2012 02:07

Sectarian violence in piggistan

Hogs going wild in Islamabad

ISLAMABAD: With a police officer wounded and the presidential palace breached, the Pakistani capital has launched a fresh offensive against a uniquely feared enemy in the Muslim country, the city’s ever expanding population of wild boar.

”The pig was like a terrorist. We shot him down,” said station chief Fayaz Tanooli. ”I have told the guards if another pig gets in then they will be dismissed.”
The hogs have also encroached upon the lavish, not to mention tightly guarded, houses of the president and prime minister .

Professor Rashid Ahmad Khan trapped and killed more than 1,700 pigs during three years of research into the problem in the 1980s

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Feb 2012 02:15

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/02/ ... .html?_r=1

Taliban Militants Say They Shot Down U.S. Drone

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - A U.S. drone crashed on Saturday in North Waziristan, not far from the Afghan border, Pakistan intelligence officials said, while Taliban militants said they had shot it down.Taliban militants led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur said they had collected wreckage of the destroyed drone and would provide its pictures to the media on Sunday. "The drone today in Machikhel was flying at low altitude and our fighters fired at and shot it down," a local commander of the Taliban said. "We have trained people for such type of job." It is impossible to verify the militants' account and a U.S. official in Washington denied the Taliban had shot down the drone and declined further comment. The CIA, which runs the drone campaign, also declined to comment. Pakistani security officials said they did not know what caused the drone to crash.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Feb 2012 02:36

Satya_anveshi wrote:Government decides against Pasha extension

He will be appointed as "Head" of LNG=Lahori Natural Gas Division of Poaq Secreting Forces.

Atish · Post by **Atish** » 26 Feb 2012 03:40

shiv wrote:
nvishal wrote:@shiv
India would have never developed a military capability as the one it has today if it weren't for hostilities from invaders or colonizers. I'm not saying that US/pak/china combine is a blessing in disguise. I'm saying, look at the "opportunity" they have forced upon india.
This is a thought that I have had and expressed. But the extension of this thought is that India needs vicious enemies to be strong. If one problem just vanishes we ill relax and let things slip. World domination requires that you are strong in the absence of credible enemies.

Of course the flip side is that if we had decent strategic policies and sound defence through the decades, there would not have been so many hostile adversaries.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Feb 2012 05:09

Satya_anveshi wrote:Government decides against Pasha extension

Pasha was reluctant to become ISI Chief. His family did not want him to take up that job in the first place. I am therefore inclined to believe that quitting the ISI position might have been his personal decision,

As for, Kidwai, he had the complete backing of the US. I am inclined to believe that if Pasha replaces Kidwai, then these shufflings are made by the COAS, not the civilian government.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Feb 2012 05:34

shyamd wrote:Sindh Liberation Army (SLA) emerges and claims responsiblity for railway line explosions!

ISI Chief Gen Pasha replaces General Kidwai on Nuke security.

Thats a promotion for him! Also means he is MUTU.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 26 Feb 2012 05:58

Why Beggaristan will continue to be slaves...

And finally the TAPC origin mystery revealed!

[youtube]sWNpM9mg1f8&feature=related[/youtube]

(Apologies if you have seen this before).

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 26 Feb 2012 06:18

Track 2 door opens again

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Feb 2012 06:35

Satya_anveshi wrote:Sectarian violence in piggistan

Hogs going wild in Islamabad

Question is, with the decrease in numbers of Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in Pakistan, who will clean up the remains of Pigs? Shias? Sunnis? Barelvis? Only non Muslims can handle the flesh of pigs no? What does the literature say on the subject?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Feb 2012 06:41

Pakistan trip: Meira Kumar says she is "pleasantly shocked"

LAHORE: Describing Lahore as the "heaven on earth", Lok Sabha SpeakerMeira Kumar has said she was "pleasantly shocked" by the love that the Pakistani people have for their Indian counterparts. {she should have driven a little down to muridke to see more love}

"I am pleasantly shocked to see the love that Pakistanis have for Indians," Kumar said during an interaction with the media in Lahore.

"I have been given a lot of love here," she said before leaving for India this afternoon.

She said she would never forget the love she received in Pakistan.

Kumar said she had felt as if her five-day trip had gone by in "five seconds".

Kumar praised residents of Lahore for their love for Indians and prayed for cordial relations and peace between India and Pakistan.

"There should be a relationship of peace and friendship between the two countries. Both countries should resolve their outstanding issues through dialogue," she said.

Expressing her good wishes for the progress and well-being of Pakistan and its people, Kumar said her visit was a historic occasion as it was the first by a Lok Sabha Speaker.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif hosted a luncheon in honour of Kumar and the parliamentary delegation that accompanied her.

Sharif said: "Both Pakistan and India should fight poverty and unemployment as these are the common problems of the people across the borders

Posting in full mods can move it to benis dhaaga if appropriate.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Feb 2012 06:50

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan trip: Meira Kumar says she is "pleasantly shocked"

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif hosted a luncheon in honour of Kumar and the parliamentary delegation that accompanied her.

Sharif said: "Both Pakistan and India should fight poverty and unemployment as these are the common problems of the people across the borders

India and Pakistan should work together for the upliftment of minorities in both nations. The people of Baluchistan need to be made aware of how India and Pakistan together can help them develop their land and use its natural beauty and resources in a manner befitting all of mankind, especially the people of Baluchistan. This world has no place for extremism of any sort.

The port of Gwadar is an important link which can serve as aa tourist destination for increasingly wealth Indiana to take sea-cruises along the old coastal trade route between India and Arabia. The robust Indian hotel industry would be able to help set up tourist havens around Gwadar.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 26 Feb 2012 07:37

Exporters fear onslaught of Indian rice

“If import of Indian rice is allowed, then our farmers should also be given incentives in line with the subsidies being offered to Indian farmers, to enable them to protect their livelihood,” he said.
Citing examples, Agha said the Indian government was giving about $30 billion in subsidies to farmers. Cost of urea and DAP was less than 50 per cent of fertiliser prices in Pakistan and their farmers were also getting cheap electricity and fuel.
Agha asked the Ministry of Commerce to include all varieties of Indian rice in the negative list to avoid dumping in the Pakistani market, save farmers, traders and exporters and protect important markets of Afghanistan, Iran and Central Asian States.
He pointed out that Pakistani rice traders had placed the first order of at least 2,500 tons with India, of which 100 tons had already reached Punjab markets.
Traditionally, the price of Indian basmati and other varieties was at least $100 to $300 per ton higher than that for Pakistani rice. However, after the arrival of new crop in October and November 2011, India taking advantage of its huge stocks, bumper crop and depreciation of its rupee cut prices by 20 to 30 per cent and is now selling at prices cheaper by $100 to $300 per ton.

comment from a typical feudal puki....

I own a huge rice exporting farm in central Punjab and i whole heartily agree with their demands. Normalization should not come at the cost of jobs of millions of farmers in Punjab. Many of them will resort to extremism when they will get no earning.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 26 Feb 2012 07:46

"I have been given a lot of love here,"

Drop Meira kumar at LET safehouse!!!! and whole India will be safe!!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Feb 2012 08:09

abhishek_sharma wrote:Track 2 door opens again

Nothing new, but this last bit is worth re-iterating

Hurriyat cannot start talks with New Delhi without a clear message from Islamabad. The last time the Hurriyat started a “quiet dialogue” with Home Minister P Chidambaram, moderate Hurriyat leader Fazl-ul Haq Qureshi was shot at, and the entire process went cold.

So TSP can play spoiler unless its brazen demands are met in both Kashmir & Afghanistan through its proxies, the Harried rats in Kashmir, and Talibunnies in Afghanistan.

Arav · Post by **Arav** » 26 Feb 2012 08:11

Pakistan repays $399m to IMF

Pakistan on Friday paid the first installment of the loan it received from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) under the Standby Arrangement signed in 2008.

“Pakistan will pay a total 639.6 million SDR to IMF under the Standby Agreement and ECF till June,”

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 26 Feb 2012 08:25

^^^ TSP repaying to IMF reminds me of an anecdote where a dog asked it's master for some meat, the clever and crafty master cut it's own tail and fed it as meat. Here TSP is the master and IMF the dog, this payment must be from the money it received so long from Khan. IMF begged TSP for it to pay some so that it can throw more into TSP's begging bowl next time. Take from left hand from khan, repay through the right, nice taqiyya onlee.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 26 Feb 2012 08:52

shiv wrote:
Satya_anveshi wrote:Sectarian violence in piggistan

Hogs going wild in Islamabad
Question is, with the decrease in numbers of Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in Pakistan, who will clean up the remains of Pigs? Shias? Sunnis? Barelvis? Only non Muslims can handle the flesh of pigs no? What does the literature say on the subject?

Isn't that a clear sign that this place is Na-Pak? It will be poetic justice to see the Paki swines getting out bred by the wild swines.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Feb 2012 08:54

SBajwa wrote:
"I have been given a lot of love here,"
Drop Meira kumar at LET safehouse!!!! and whole India will be safe!!

Meira Kumar is the daughter of scheduled caste minister Late Jagjivan Ram (who was defence minister of India during the 1971 freedom of Bangladesh from Pakistan war) and it is typical of Indian high caste Brahmins to treat other castes this way

Thank God for Pakistan.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Feb 2012 09:29

CRamS wrote: Nothing new, but this last bit is worth re-iterating

Hurriyat cannot start talks with New Delhi without a clear message from Islamabad. The last time the Hurriyat started a “quiet dialogue” with Home Minister P Chidambaram, moderate Hurriyat leader Fazl-ul Haq Qureshi was shot at, and the entire process went cold.

So TSP can play spoiler unless its brazen demands are met in both Kashmir & Afghanistan through its proxies, the Harried rats in Kashmir, and Talibunnies in Afghanistan.

One should remember how Abdul Ghani Lone and the father of the current Mirwaiz were dispatched by the Pakis. For all the love and pappi-jhappi the hurrirats show for the Pakis, they do know who holds the gun and the trigger.

Arav · Post by **Arav** » 26 Feb 2012 13:11

Air corridor for Nato was never closed: Gilani-was-never-closed-gilani.html

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said on Saturday that the air corridor for Nato supplies had never been closed, taking a plea that the cabinet had decided to suspend supplies for the US-led troops in Afghanistan through the land route only.

Arav · Post by **Arav** » 26 Feb 2012 13:21

Chashma N-plant gets go-ahead for operations

The Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority (PNRA) on Saturday granted a licence to the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) for operating the second unit of Chashma Nuclear Power Plant.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 26 Feb 2012 13:23

SSridhar wrote:Pasha was reluctant to become ISI Chief. His family did not want him to take up that job in the first place. I am therefore inclined to believe that quitting the ISI position might have been his personal decision,

As for, Kidwai, he had the complete backing of the US. I am inclined to believe that if Pasha replaces Kidwai, then these shufflings are made by the COAS, not the civilian government.

Kiyani was not Mushy's first choice but per SSS he was Unkil's choice.
There is also a little matter about Kiyani being former ISI chief during those festivities of Baitullah Mehsud and other offensives in and around 2007. I believe ISI chief becomming COAS is not a norm in Pukistan.

Pasha was Kiyani's choice. So, I think Pasha was also thru and thru Unkil's choice. Now if Pasha is taking control of Nukes, then Unkil must have all the control (not that it is any more believable if Unkil didn't have the said control earlier).

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 26 Feb 2012 14:56

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 033484.cms

Who needs a enemy when fools like this are in the government. Needless to say these idiots are good for nothing if they are thrown into private sector and asked to look out for a proper job and not consider politics as their job.

India was also pleasantly shocked when they show their love in Kashmir, bomb blasts in India and other nefarious activities. Seems that these idiots forget everything about India as soon as their plane is out of Indian air space and only remember it when they touch down.

Someone has rightly said that India has not learned, is not learning and will not learn anything from its history. No wonder to see that people of India hate politicians. Talk of making love and there will be zillions of the rats near the border trying to infiltrate and kill our bravest security forces men and women's.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 26 Feb 2012 15:28

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft ... 24&page=16

My Masters' thesis was on the thirteen gates of Lahore: I researched the history behind each door and in the process fell in love with Lahore. Once you start going to the walled city, the bond with Lahore grows and truly this land, this city, has a pull because of which people have been making it their home ever since Rama! According to folklore, Rama's son Loh founded Lahore and Kasu founded Kasur.

For one who has done a master's thesis no less on Lahore, no less Rama's sons are Loh and Kasu

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Feb 2012 15:54

Satya_anveshi wrote:Pasha was Kiyani's choice. So, I think Pasha was also thru and thru Unkil's choice. Now if Pasha is taking control of Nukes, then Unkil must have all the control . . .

Satya_anveshi, are you sure that the old kinship between Kayani & the US (even granting that there was something like that) continues to this day in the same measure ?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 26 Feb 2012 15:55

SSridhar wrote: Pasha was reluctant to become ISI Chief. His family did not want him to take up that job in the first place. I am therefore inclined to believe that quitting the ISI position might have been his personal decision,

As for, Kidwai, he had the complete backing of the US. I am inclined to believe that if Pasha replaces Kidwai, then these shufflings are made by the COAS, not the civilian government.

They say that Pasha changed a lot after his son met an accident in Multan in 2005/6. Also some are saying a Gen. Jamil Haider is vying for the NCA post.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Feb 2012 16:22

shyamd wrote: Also some are saying a Gen. Jamil Haider is vying for the NCA post.

He is already heading the Stratefic Forces Command (SFC) and hence a very likely replacement for Gen. Kidwai. The latter has been heading the SPD for a decade now and most of that tenure was after his retirement. So, may be there is a genuine need to find his replacement.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 26 Feb 2012 18:31

Virupaksha wrote:http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft ... 24&page=16

My Masters' thesis was on the thirteen gates of Lahore: I researched the history behind each door and in the process fell in love with Lahore. Once you start going to the walled city, the bond with Lahore grows and truly this land, this city, has a pull because of which people have been making it their home ever since Rama! According to folklore, Rama's son Loh founded Lahore and Kasu founded Kasur.

For one who has done a master's thesis no less on Lahore, no less Rama's sons are Loh and Kasu

Ah! don't worry, the post graduate was only translating from Dr Zakir Naik's book which states on page no 786, verse no 420, line no 840 that Haraama's sons were LeT and Kasab

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 26 Feb 2012 18:46

SSridhar wrote:Satya_anveshi, are you sure that the old kinship between Kayani & the US (even granting that there was something like that) continues to this day in the same measure ?

SSji,

No. I am obviously not sure. I am basing it upon what SSS said in his book (which could be bull). I am also assuming that same loyalty continues today. I could be wrong on both counts.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 26 Feb 2012 19:59

CRamS wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Track 2 door opens again
Nothing new, but this last bit is worth re-iterating

Hurriyat cannot start talks with New Delhi without a clear message from Islamabad. The last time the Hurriyat started a “quiet dialogue” with Home Minister P Chidambaram, moderate Hurriyat leader Fazl-ul Haq Qureshi was shot at, and the entire process went cold.

So TSP can play spoiler unless its brazen demands are met in both Kashmir & Afghanistan through its proxies, the Harried rats in Kashmir, and Talibunnies in Afghanistan.

why should we even bother talking to hurriyat or any separatist organization in kashmir. The pigs no longer have an open border to come and go and the last remaining ones seem to be picked of intermittently by security forces.

TSP no longer has any leverage over india as far as kashmir goes.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Feb 2012 20:19

Nihat wrote:
why should we even bother talking to hurriyat or any separatist organization in kashmir. The pigs no longer have an open border to come and go and the last remaining ones seem to be picked of intermittently by security forces.

Your question should be directed towards India's ruling elite. Even those interlocutors said that talks with the harried rats is pivotal. A terrorist like Yasin Maillik is given respectability by media like undyTV so much so that he can come to heart of New Delhi and demand that India leave its own state of Kashmir. So unless I am missing something, all indications are that Indian govt has decided to appease the rats in one way or another.

TSP no longer has any leverage over india as far as kashmir goes.

I respectfully disagree. Just as in Afghanistan, where even US has accepted the need to keep TSP happy, there is no way India can "peacefully" settle the mess in Kashmir by ignoring TSP's demands. I mean India literally runs scared of TSP in the valley, witness how MMSjI & Co throttled the tiranga yatra during last years's republic day. How far India will go remains to be seen. I cannot imagine TSP settling for anything less than the valley, especially after it is managing to get its demands met from a a superpower in Afghanistan. What are SDREs if TSP manages to "defeat" US in Afghanistan?

TSP's terrorists and nuke blackmail have fetched it huge dividends. No other thuggish country has benefited this much, thanks to the perfidy of US-led colonial powers including its pipsqueak puppy dog UK.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 26 Feb 2012 21:49

CRamS wrote:
So unless I am missing something, all indications are that Indian govt has decided to appease the rats in one way or another.

When America talks to its enemies , it is called engagement but when India does the same with its disaffected citizens , it becomes appeasement.Strange indeed are the ways of the world.