India-US Strategic News and Discussion

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Mar 2012 21:51

Altari ask about expanding free trade agreement with NAFTA to include India.
Or create a new free trade zone from East Africa to West coast America both continents
Say Indo-Pacific Ocean Free Trade Zone

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 03 Mar 2012 02:33

Pentagon commander says US special forces in India

Govt says --No U.S. special forces in India

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 03 Mar 2012 05:20

They have been here since 2002

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 03 Mar 2012 07:25

Yindoos and Porkis should stop fighting among themselves. And hey hey you Yindoos, keep your radicals in check... our Oscar winning Kathryn Bigelow wants to convert your tiny city Chandigarh into Porkistan.. why dont you keep aside your enimity and allow our Begum to shoot and scoot.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/ ... 0220120302

Mathias PorkyHead wrote: Bin Laden, the mastermind of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States was killed by U.S. special forces in Pakistan in May last year.

The film-makers, denied permission to film in Pakistan, converted parts of the Indian city of Chandigarh to look like the Pakistani city of Lahore.

But for right-wing Hindus, the use of India to portray sworn enemy Pakistan was too much.

"They have made Chandigarh like Pakistan, as if it is Pakistan," said Vijay Bhardwaj, a leader of the radical Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) Hindu group.

"We strongly oppose this and we will not let them put Pakistani flags here and we will not let them shoot for the film."

Billboards with Urdu signs were put up on shops in a market in the north Indian city and auto-rickshaws were running with Lahore number plates. Burqa-clad women and men dressed in traditional Pakistani clothes roamed the streets.

The small group of protesters shouted slogans and some of them were seen arguing with cast and crew members as police tried to intervene.

The protesters said the government should have denied permission to make the film on Indian soil.

Bigelow, who won an Oscar for her Iraq war movie "The Hurt Locker," was developing a film on the hunt for bin Laden before the al Qaeda leader was killed in the Pakistani garrison town of Abbottabad.

The film, "Zero Dark Thirty," is due for release in late 2012.

{last but not the least ... we should remind our readers that.....}
Hindu-majority India and Muslim Pakistan have fought three wars since winning their independence from Britain in 1947. Suspicion between the nuclear-armed rivals lingers.

{Mr. PorkyHead: you forgot this Not only are they nuclear armed but the biggest nuclear flashpoint in the world is Kashmir, which both India and Porkystan lay claims on but the Yindoo India has stubbornly held on to it and is inflicting unmentionable torture on the Kashmiris}

We should put some money into neutering Reuters.

Edit: And put even more money into neutering Financial Times.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/f89d16d2 ... abdc0.html

Same story by Mr. PorkyHead but look at the heading:

Hindu anger at bin Laden India film shoot

Amazing!

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Mar 2012 21:11

US legislator Keith Ellison who is a follower of the Mohammadden religion misleading name notwithstanding, introduces a resolution interfering in India’s affairs.

An attempt by Keith Ellison to deflect the criticism of his Momin brothers in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan over human right violations in Balochistan by the US House Foreign Affairs Committee by seeking to attack Kaafir India in the same forum ? :

US House resolution asks Gujarat to restore religious freedom

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 03 Mar 2012 21:14

arun wrote:US legislator Keith Ellison who is a follower of the Mohammadden religion misleading name notwithstanding, introduces a resolution interfering in India’s affairs.
US House resolution asks Gujarat to restore religious freedom

It doesnt matter what he says. Modi is going to be the PM in 2014. So, Deal with it.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Mar 2012 22:45

Altair wrote: It doesnt matter what he says. Modi is going to be the PM in 2014. So, Deal with it.

Tall order. ModiJi faces too many insurmountable obstacles:

1. It is in US supreme national interests to use Modi to show their support of "South Asian" Muslims

2. 2. Hindu hating "secular" NRIs and RNIs are working over time to support US in #1

3. TSP ISI and pigLeTs, along with those seeking revenge against him in India, with wink wink nod nod from US are looking for the opportune moment to take him out. He will especially be a prime target during election season while campaigning especially if polls show that he is gaining ground across India. CIA will activate its enormous resources to surreptitiously get the job done with its TSP and Indian foot soldiers

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 03 Mar 2012 22:47

Indian media is also another problem. He needs the media to come to power

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Mar 2012 22:48

the above should be publicized widely. it is another data point which will show the "nationalistic Hindu" not to naively believe in "US" or any foreign alliances. India is in this game alone, and the above should drive that home with clarity.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 03 Mar 2012 23:15

devesh wrote:the above should be publicized widely. it is another data point which will show the "nationalistic Hindu" not to naively believe in "US" or any foreign alliances. India is in this game alone, and the above should drive that home with clarity.

There are about 10,000 bills introduced per Congress (House of Representatives) session which is 2 years. Less than 5% are passed. This is a keep 'constituents happy' (Ellison's constituency includes US muslims, he is the only Muslim member of congress), bill with slim chances of even making it through the appropriate committee, let alone passing. So take it in perspective.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_bill ... o_congress

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 03 Mar 2012 23:20

shyamd wrote:Indian media is also another problem. He needs the media to come to power

Media is the least of the problems.Indian media is driven by money. Shri. Modi ji has not yet used the Vitamin M capsules in his pocket. Indian media will sing praises when the money flows. The problem will be the dynasty and p-sec wh0res like A.roy.
US will welcome Modi if there is good money for them. Besides, this is not the first time people who have been accused of abuses, vindicated and occupy power.
The only factor in the current economy is money, nothing else matters. nothing.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 03 Mar 2012 23:23

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 120303.htm
Muslim outfit objects to shooting of Osama film
After the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, a Muslim outfit on Saturday protested the shooting of Kathryn Bigelow's film on Osama bin Laden in Chandigarh.
The movie is based on the killing of the Al Qaeda leader in Abbottabad (Pakistan). The outfit alleged that shooting of the film will disturb the peaceful atmosphere between the communities in a secular country.
"We express our great concern over the shooting. This movie will create differences between Muslims and other communities. It will provoke other communities, law and order will be badly affected and the peaceful atmosphere of the region will be disturbed," Jamait-e-Ulema Hind's north India general secretary Shakeel Ahmed Kasmi said in a memorandum submitted to Chandigarh's deputy commissioner.
Kasmi said, "We are Muslims living in a secular country where such type of activities (film shooting) should not have been allowed by the administration in the first place. We demand that the shooting of this film should be stopped forthwith".........
Gautam

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 Mar 2012 00:50

Altair wrote:Shri. Modi ji has not yet used the Vitamin M capsules in his pocket. Indian media will sing praises when the money flows. The problem will be the dynasty and p-sec wh0res like A.roy.
US will welcome Modi if there is good money for them. Besides, this is not the first time people who have been accused of abuses, vindicated and occupy power.
The only factor in the current economy is money, nothing else matters. nothing.

In general, this is true. But the beauty of being a global super power with so many levers of power & interests is that this love of money can be carefully calibrated on a case by case basis.

US empire needs useful Muslims, both Jihadis and non Jihadis, as tools in its foreign policy arsenal.

US sure does have some leverage over of mid east Muslims, but it cannot execute any policy that would endear itself to those Muslims beyond a certain point because Bibi NuttinYahoo & Co, along with their co-religionists in America will spank any US leader hard on their arse should they ever dare attempt anything that even remotely hurts Israel.

In the "South Asian" context, its the cost benefits ratio. By targetting Modi, US reaps huge dividends in terms of goodwill, even with Abduls in TSP who are otherwise suspicious of US, and any money power Modi brings to the fore has to be weighed against this colossal gain.

My reading of the situation is that US will gladly incur the cost of eschewing Modi for the larger benefit of keeping "South Asian" Muslims happy.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Mar 2012 01:46

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03 ... dhi-video/
Oh, Give It a Rest… Obama Compares Himself to Gandhi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QrmQBcf ... r_embedded

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 04 Mar 2012 02:46

Military ties with India growing: US

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 04 Mar 2012 03:03

Sikh group protests Sonia Gandhi's presence in US

JALANDHAR: A US-based human rights group has approached US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urging her the exclusion of Congress president Sondia Gandhi from the US. The group wants the same yardstick to be applied that was used for Gujarat chief minister Narendera Modi while denying him a US visa.

The groups claims she was involved in covering up and protecting the leaders of her party, the Congress, who were actively involved in massacre of Sikhs in November 1984.

The rights group Sikhs for Justice has sent a memo to Clinton on grounds that Sonia Gandhi's entry and presence in the US was in violation of section 212(a)(3)(E)(ii) & (iii) of the Immigration and Nationality Act and section 604 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 which prohibit entry into the US of any individual who, outside of the US, has ordered, incited, assisted or in any way participated in the commission of any act of torture or extra judicial killing.

It has also claimed that Sonia Gandhi has not just been actively covering up the Sikh genocide and shielding her party leaders who were key players in executing the atrocities of November 1984.

The group's memo says, "The Indian National Congress party had organized the genocide to avenge the assassination of the then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, the party's leader, who was murdered by her two bodyguards who happened to be Sikhs."

Sikhs for Justice has also cited findings of the Nanavati Commission which held that innocent Sikhs were killed in a systematic manner without fear of the police apart from quoting a report of PUCL just after the "riots".

SFJ's legal advisor, Gurpatwant Singh Pannun - an active member of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, said that excluding Sonia Gandhi would not be unique as previously Narendra Modi, a prominent leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and chief minister of Gujarat, was denied entry into the US in connection with his role in the 2002 riots.

SFJ pointed out that victims of the 1984 riots were denied justice even as the Congress party remained in power for 23 out of 28 years after the "genocide".

"Sonia Gandhi, who has been president of the party since 1998, has been actively following the party's practice of impunity towards its leaders who were involved in the gross human rights violations committed in November 1984 and is is Clinton's duty to uphold the US Constitution and its laws, and order the exclusion of Sonia Gandhi who cannot be absolved just because of India's economic status and political relations with the United States," the memo has mentioned.

Incidentally on March 15, a US Federal Court will be hearing a petition seeking "default judgment" against the Indian National Congress Party which has failed to respond to charges of conspiring, aiding, abetting, organizing and carrying out attacks on the Sikh population of India in November 1984.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 04 Mar 2012 07:31

shyamd wrote:[US special forces] have been here since 2002

Where are they stationed, and what are they doing?

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 04 Mar 2012 08:07

A MUST-READ ARTICLE for anyone following this thread.....

Should the US support an independent Balochistan?
A handful of US congressmen support creating an independent Balochistan, carved out of mostly Pakistani land.
Last Modified: 03 Mar 2012 15:46

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 96390.html

I would suggest that any Rakshaks in the US should especially read this article and do whatever they can to help this idea along. RK

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Mar 2012 09:04

George Kennan had interesting views on democracy. He was not willing to give the right to vote to everyone.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 04 Mar 2012 14:39

Pranav wrote:
shyamd wrote:[US special forces] have been here since 2002
Where are they stationed, and what are they doing?

Training. Its a signal to the PRC as to red lines. All this started in 2002. Look at the countries on the list.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Mar 2012 17:51

Sen_K wrote:Pentagon commander says US special forces in India

Govt says --No U.S. special forces in India

Denials from other countries of the Indian Sub-Continent on the basing of US Special Forces come in.

Nepal and Sri Lanka:

Lanka and Nepal deny presence of US forces

Maldives:

MNDF denies US special forces in Maldives claims

Leads me to wonder if this is a covert US programme to locate special forces under a diplomatic cloak of US Embassy/Consulate security without the knowledge of the host countries. Our Government should investigate this aspect and any US diplomatic personnel found to be disguised Special Forces operatives should be declared persona non grata and booted out of India,

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 04 Mar 2012 18:28

shyamd wrote:Training. Its a signal to the PRC as to red lines. All this started in 2002. Look at the countries on the list.

Thats one way to look at it, possibly but probably a side-effect. Another is to see it as a US excuse to build more bases around the world and project their power everywhere - which is more likely to be the case.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 04 Mar 2012 18:37

Reality is they are downsizing bases in some areas but refocusing in some. Look at the congressional minutes in 2002 when they revealed about soldiers being in India and Nepal for training.

Look into why they started exercises in 2002, you'll find your answer.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 05 Mar 2012 20:59

Today I was in discussion with Prof.Bharat Karnad and Prof. Jeffrey Legro on India-US Strategic relationship.
Here are some minutes.

1. India-Pakistan wars are more like communal riots with tanks and heavy arty. US should look at us in that way.

2. Gen.Pasha is actually a moderate when compared to Gen.Hamid Gul types

3. US has to put more effort in Tech Transfer if it wants to have an opening in huge defense deals. India is going to get great deals with Russia and France and it is entirely US loss if it does not match.

4. India will support Iran no matter what primarily because of 3 reasons.
(a) India gets access to CA through Iran, Chabahar port.
(b) India's fuel requirements cannot be replaced by either KSA or any other nation in any combination. It just cannot happen.
(c) India has 2nd largest Shia population after Iran which is a huge political weight in New Delhi.
India simply cannot dump Iran and US has nothing to offer in return either. It just cannot happen.

5. India cannot see restructure of Pakistan or Iran because of obvious complications and implications on the entire region including India.
(Baluchistan has no strategic interest for either India or US despite what anybody feels on this forum, including yours truly)

6. India will test Fusion bomb. It is not a question of "if" and only a question of "when".

kuldipchager · Post by **kuldipchager** » 05 Mar 2012 21:15

Since India/Russia have close trusted relationship first China try to put welge between India/russia but they could't do it.Now usa doing same thing which china were trying.
Good relationship don't get sore with small misunderstanding.These wronge information do not go to far.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Mar 2012 21:19

>> India will test Fusion bomb. It is not a question of "if" and only a question of "when".

jingo khush hua....

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 05 Mar 2012 21:38

shyamd wrote:Reality is they are downsizing bases in some areas but refocusing in some. Look at the congressional minutes in 2002 when they revealed about soldiers being in India and Nepal for training.

Look into why they started exercises in 2002, you'll find your answer.

Please shed some more light on this

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Mar 2012 08:21

Altair wrote: 1. India-Pakistan wars are more like communal riots with tanks and heavy arty. US should look at us in that way.

+1

Yes. And the US should stop supplying free arms to one side.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 06 Mar 2012 08:36

There was one point BK mentioned which I really got pi$$ed.
According to BK, India has to "earn" UN Security Council membership. He questioned India's contribution to world security to deserve a SC seat. He feels ashamed and embarrassed whenever India asks every foreign dignitary who visits New Delhi to support India's place in SC.
According to him Indian Army contributes to UN Peace keeping forces worldwide only for monitory reasons. He shouted repeatedly rather emotionally "Earn it!"

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 06 Mar 2012 08:40

Altair wrote: According to BK, India has to "earn" UN Security Council membership.

In a sense that is true. You earn UNSC membership by your capacity to vaporize the entire planet.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 06 Mar 2012 08:46

Pranav wrote:
Altair wrote: According to BK, India has to "earn" UN Security Council membership.
In a sense that is true. You earn UNSC membership by your capacity to vaporize the entire planet.

May be we should test Agni 5 with Thermo nuclear warhead on its tip. Russia used to test those kind of weapons.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Mar 2012 09:01

First you divide the world up into "nations" that are not necessarily what existed for millennia. Then you say that these nations have fixed boundaries and are sacrosanct. Then you say that all these nations must unite in a club called the "United Nations". Then you say that there is a "super-club" - the P5 who will use their combined military-economic power to keep the "United Nations" club intact and hold the artificial boundaries created by colonialism and imperialism. (check "holding the ring")

Why does India need to beg to get into this club or earn its exalted membership? The structure of the club itself needs to be shown up for its hypocrisy.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 06 Mar 2012 09:03

shiv wrote: Why does India need to beg to get into this club or earn its exalted membership? The structure of the club itself needs to be shown up for its hypocrisy.

First recognize what membership means. It reflects the fact that you have the capacity to make life hell for any other power, because of which the other powers decide it is in their self-interest to consult you before they do anything.

Per se, UNSC permanent membership is meaningless. What matters is the underlying power equation.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 06 Mar 2012 10:46

May be what BK meant was India will test H-Bomb and then we will earn the membership to SC. He was very clear about both but separately. He must be knowing something. Dynasty's parting shot now that they lost UP? Test H bomb?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 06 Mar 2012 10:47

Pvt. Danny Chen, 1992–2011: He was 19 years old, a scrawny six-four, and wanted nothing more than to join the Army. Just like so many other young men. But very few from Chinatown.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Mar 2012 11:53

Altair wrote:There was one point BK mentioned which I really got pi$$ed.
According to BK, India has to "earn" UN Security Council membership. He questioned India's contribution to world security to deserve a SC seat. He feels ashamed and embarrassed whenever India asks every foreign dignitary who visits New Delhi to support India's place in SC.
According to him Indian Army contributes to UN Peace keeping forces worldwide only for monitory reasons. He shouted repeatedly rather emotionally "Earn it!"

All this "Earn it" is sheer bakwas! It is all "We are not good enough!" Who lays down the criteria, what we have to be to earn it? And why should we allow the others to lay down that criteria at all?

In Fall of 2014, UK will be no more! Then will be the time, to hurl the dumb bulldog into the Atlantic, and take our place in the UNSC.

Forget the "Earn it"! We are not doing some tapasya for some Nirvana!

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Mar 2012 12:34

BK is right. India has to earn it. And the only way to earn the UNSC permanent member seat is for India to demonstrate publicly that it considers itself more powerful than the UN and only agrees with it when the UN's opinions are aligned with its self interests.

To get onto the platform, first you have to be taller than the platform.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 06 Mar 2012 12:56

Earn it!

Earning that seat does not mean we have to provide more troops for UN missions, or we have to ask all and sundry to support our membership for UNSC permanent membership.

Earn it! simply means that when the cost of keeping India out of the council is sufficiently and consistently higher than the cost of keeping India, then India will have earned it.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Mar 2012 15:05

Pranav wrote:
shiv wrote: Why does India need to beg to get into this club or earn its exalted membership? The structure of the club itself needs to be shown up for its hypocrisy.
First recognize what membership means. It reflects the fact that you have the capacity to make life hell for any other power, because of which the other powers decide it is in their self-interest to consult you before they do anything.

Per se, UNSC permanent membership is meaningless. What matters is the underlying power equation.

Ah! That is why United Queendom is a "permanent" member, like Suresh Kalmadi as permanent head of IOC.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 06 Mar 2012 15:09

Altair wrote:India will test Fusion bomb. It is not a question of "if" and only a question of "when".

When you say "fusion" bomb, do you mean a pure fusion explosive device without a fission trigger, or simply a larger thermonuclear bomb?

Interestingly, pure fusion explosives are not covered in the NPT, and so possibly cannot trigger revision/rescindment of the IUCNA.