Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 09 Mar 2012 03:45

^ Surely the Bakistanis are not following Sharia law properly. If all land belongs to the almighty, then who the * is Rehman Malik to charge OBL's widhwaas of living illegally in a country created for muslims?

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 09 Mar 2012 04:07

Aaj ki taaza khabar -

Younis spills the beans
Former chief executive of defunct Mehran Bank, Younas Habib, on Thursday told the Supreme Court that under immense pressure of then president Ghulam Ishaq Khan and army chief Mirza Aslam Baig, he arranged Rs 1.48 billion of which Rs 340 million were distributed among politicians to influence the 1990 polls and rest was invested by intelligence agencies.

Read it all here - http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/03 ... the-beans/

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 09 Mar 2012 04:07

If all land belongs to the almighty, then who the * is Rehman Malik to charge OBL's widhwaas of living illegally in a country created for muslims?

Mahdi-endra - what a wonderful legal point you have highlighted! I am sure the Supreme Court will like that argument and throw out the case.

Maybe they should have charged the women of leading an immoral life with no male husband/ father/ brother/ son to chaperon them; now that the Sheikh has gone deep sea fishing by himself.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Mar 2012 04:35

RCase wrote:
If all land belongs to the almighty, then who the * is Rehman Malik to charge OBL's widhwaas of living illegally in a country created for muslims?
Mahdi-endra - what a wonderful legal point you have highlighted! I am sure the Supreme Court will like that argument and throw out the case. Maybe they should have charged the women of leading an immoral life with no male husband/ father/ brother/ son to chaperon them; now that the Sheikh has gone deep sea fishing by himself.

Sauvirginty of Pakistan belongs to Alllah but Virginity belongs to America and Saudia . Osama' mamas are now war booty, possesed by the right tail of Poaqqorpians. Many Mullahs await to be blessed with the Honey and Money of departed Sam.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Mar 2012 06:53

Jhujar wrote: Sauvirginty of Pakistan belongs to Alllah but Virginity belongs to America and Saudia .

Saar "Sauvirginity" means that you can get screwed up to ek sau times and remain a virgin. Like a cat's nine lives. Allah is also correct. America is also correct. Pakistanis are also happy.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 09 Mar 2012 06:59

Jhujar wrote:Dins of Kyamat, Kiyani, Gilani, Zardani Posses One Each
Bin Laden wives charged for living illegally in Pakistan

Bin Laden himself was living legally. So it is okay.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 09 Mar 2012 07:05

I found this interesting Stratfor emails about Saleem Shahzad: Some lessons for Pakistani journalists

Keywords: ISI, Saleem Shahzad murder, double agent, dangers of maintaining contact with ISI and militant groups simultaneously.

archan · Post by **archan** » 09 Mar 2012 07:47

Shaashtanga wrote:Aaj ki taaza khabar -

Younis spills the beans
Former chief executive of defunct Mehran Bank, Younas Habib, on Thursday told the Supreme Court that under immense pressure of then president Ghulam Ishaq Khan and army chief Mirza Aslam Baig, he arranged Rs 1.48 billion of which Rs 340 million were distributed among politicians to influence the 1990 polls and rest was invested by intelligence agencies.

Read it all here - http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/03 ... the-beans/

So I glance over the article, hoping to see some paki goat droppings of wisdom in the comments section, and what do I see, only one comment, which is

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RCase · Post by **RCase** » 09 Mar 2012 08:50

Paki interviewing Anwar Ibrahim of Malaysia and getting confused with secular concepts

My observations:

- Paki tries to compare Bakistan with Malaysia and displays his delusions of grandeur of how Bakistan was better than Malaysia!

- Ibrahim reminds him that Pakistan is not in their league. Singapore, Korea, etc. are more like it!
- Paki thinks Malaysia is an Islamic country just like Pakistan without realizing there are significant percentage of non-muslims.
- Tries to keep pushing the Islamic/ ummah agenda and Ibrahim keeps reminding him of a moderate Islam and having to work with other parties.
- Surprising that Ibrahim should mention that Pakistan has an independent judiciary and that they could learn from Pakistan.

- Ibrahim talks about the 'excellent' education system that Pakistan had. WTF?
- Gives him a sound lecture on democracy, governance, independence in foreign policy and corruption, which is very hard for the Paki to digest and understand. Somewhere in there he makes a mention of running between America and China!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Mar 2012 14:01

the judiciary in malaysia is not all that independent, but is definitely more independent than that of pakistan!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Mar 2012 14:34

Well Anwar Ibrahim had a big fallout with the judiciary in Malaysia so yes he would indeed be very angry at the Malaysian judiciary.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 09 Mar 2012 14:52

RajeshA wrote:Well Anwar Ibrahim had a big fallout with the judiciary in Malaysia so yes he would indeed be very angry at the Malaysian judiciary.

What a small world, it was aparently all over an incident of GUBO!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Mar 2012 14:56

the judiciary in malaysia and singapore is routinely used to harrass opposition politicians - particularly cases of libel for making 'anti-government speeches' with punitive awards against the accused

the ibrahim case is especially murky, the gubo may or may not be real, but the state has no business in it

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 09 Mar 2012 18:18

And malaysian education system is not that well. So comparing between two cows with only three legs and two legs, yes the one with three legs is better, so is pakistani education system.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Mar 2012 19:08

Malaysia's minorities are/were so productive the native Muslim malays devised a jaziya system whereby they get a certain cut of the spoils, bar none. This system was imposed by a 'con-census' forged in the fires of the 1968-69 riots.

Sadly for TSP, there are no productive minorities to leech off like this. They tried with transit rights for Indian goods and IPI and all that. Didn;t work.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 09 Mar 2012 19:15

Baloch rebels inspire separatists in Sindh

Any serious insurgency in Sindh will mean both the southern provinces of Paki stan in turmoil. These are pakjabis only access to the Arabian Sea. Its a long shot but if we really want to put pakjabi's feet to the fire we should seriously consider this.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Mar 2012 23:13

Arun Roperia wrote:Baloch rebels inspire separatists in Sindh
Any serious insurgency in Sindh will mean both the southern provinces of Paki stan in turmoil. These are pakjabis only access to the Arabian Sea. Its a long shot but if we really want to put pakjabi's feet to the fire we should seriously consider this.

Sabr, Sabr, Zardari is now in the process of being removed from worldy scene by Poaqjabis.
Naar_e_Bees _Bees (2020)

Jiyye Jiyye Sindh,Khappe Balochistan
Na Pakistan, Na Iska Namo Nishan!!!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Mar 2012 00:38

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... _relea.php
Taliban demand release of bin Laden's wives, kill 7 Pakistani Ajlaf troops

Today the spokesman for the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan threatened that the group would "carry out suicide bombings against security forces and the government" if Osama bin Laden's three widows are not freed from custody. Also today, seven Pakistani troops were killed in an ambush in North Waziristan.
The Taliban's demand to the Pakistani government comes just one day after Pakistani officials announced that bin Laden's three widows would be charged with illegally entering the country, and face a maximum of 10 years in prison if convicted. Pakistan said bin Laden's children would not be charged and are free to return to their home countries, however."If the family of Osama bin Laden is not released as soon as possible, we will attack the judges, the lawyers and the security officials involved in their trial," Taliban spokesman Ihsanullah Ihsan told Reuters. "We will carry out suicide bombings against security forces and the government across the country."The three women, a Yemeni and two Saudis, had illegally entered Pakistan and accompanied bin Laden at various times as he lived in Pakistan for a decade after the US invasion of Afghanistan. According to a retired Pakistani general who reviewed interrogations of bin Laden's wives, the al Qaeda leader lived in several Pakistani towns outside of the tribal areas after leaving Afghanistan, The Associated Press reported.
The same day that Ihsan issued his threat, seven Pakistani troops were killed in an ambush in Khar Qamar near Miramshah in North Waziristan. The Taliban opened fire on a Pakistani convoy with automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades, killing the Pakistani troops, AFP reported. The military claimed it killed nine Taliban fighters while returning fire.The attack in North Waziristan violates a peace agreement that was forged last year between the Pakistani military and the Shura-e-Murakeba, an alliance of four major Taliban groups in North Waziristan. The four groups that make up the alliance are the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, which is led by Hakeemullah Mehsud and his deputy, Waliur Rehman Mehsud; Hafiz Gul Bahadar's group; Mullah Nazir's group; and the Haqqani Network. Each leader has appointed a deputy to represent them on the council [see LWJ report, Al Qaeda brokers new anti-US Taliban alliance in Pakistan and Afghanistan].

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Mar 2012 00:40

US drones kill at least 13 in South Waziristan strike
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... z1oeHCr45p

Unmanned US Predator or Reaper strike aircraft killed 13 "militants" in airstrikes in the Miramshah and Mir Ali areas of Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan today. The strikes broke a two-week-long lull in US attacks in the tribal areas.The CIA-operated drones fired a pair of missiles at a vehicle and a home in the town of Makeen in South Waziristan, according to Dawn News, killing "at least" 13 people. Pakistani officials said that 12 "militants" were killed in the strike, according to The Associated Press.akeen is an area under the control of Hakeemullah Mehsud, the leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, who is closely allied to al Qaeda. The US has struck targets in Makeen four other times in 2008 and 2009. One strike in June 2009 killed Khwaz Ali Mehsud, a top aide to Baitullah Mehsud, the former leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, who also was killed in a drone strike in August 2009 in nearby Ladha.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Mar 2012 01:24

While the soul lies in ruins
( The Paki Soul resides in the desert of Saudia, not in the land of Indus)
The Leader of LIC=Low Intellect Culture

Having visited renowned, ritzy museums across Europe, the National Museum of Pakistan came across, at first, as a misnomer of sorts.The external compound was full of yellowing grass and lonely trees, and was virtually empty of visitors.The building itself was lit solely by sunlight from open windows and doors, resulting in a shadow-cast look of abandonment. The fans spun labouriously on the ceilings. That day, the “visitors” consisted entirely of me, a boy, his father, and two little girls.When I asked which gallery I should visit first, he launched into an enthusiastic report on all 11 galleries in his halting English (and occasional Urdu).
“We have a zig-zag gallery with the very very beautiful Qurans. And a coin gallery with the very very old coins …”Despite the stark sparseness of the place, the museum humbly houses an intriguing assortment of artifacts that kept me engaged for a good few hours. For all its soul and heart, this museum deserves more visitors than just the occasional schoolchildren

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 10 Mar 2012 02:33

Islam named intelligence agency chief

Islamabad Pakistan appointed Lt General Zaheer- ul Islam as the new director-general of the country's powerful spy agency Friday.
Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's office statement said: "The prime minister has appointed Lt General Zaheer-ul Islam as the new DG ISI", referring to the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Islam is the commander of the V Corps, based in Karachi. He takes over from Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, who was appointed in 2008, and who oversaw some of the stormiest times in the US-Pakistan relationship.
Meanwhile, US drones killed 13 people in two missile strikes yesterday in South Waziristan on the border with Afghanistan, local television channels reported. Also yesterday, Taliban reportedly ambushed a Pakistani military convoy in North Waziristan, killing seven soldiers.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Mar 2012 02:35

What happened to Pataudi?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 10 Mar 2012 04:36

Probably they found Panetta's number on Pataudi's iPhone.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 10 Mar 2012 04:38

'Bike Snatcher' killed in Karachi Police encounter :

KARACHI, March 8: A suspected motorcycle snatcher was shot dead while his two accomplices managed to flee during an ‘encounter’ near Urdu Bazaar within the remit of the Preedy police station early on Thursday, police said.

Three suspects snatched a motorcycle from Mohammed Danish, who was passing through the area, and tried to flee. However, a police party on patrol reached there and an encounter with the suspected bandits took place, the police added.

One of them was wounded in the exchange of fire while his two accomplices managed to flee, the police said.

The wounded bandit, later identified as 27-year-old Mukesh Achar, was taken to the Civil Hospital Karachi for treatment, where he succumbed to his wounds, ASP Ali Asif told Dawn.

The suspect was a resident of Lea Market, he added.

Later in the evening, family members of Mukesh staged a protest demonstration in front of the Preedy police station and chanted slogans against the police, claiming that Mukesh was innocent and the police had killed him in a fake encounter.

Senior police officials reached the spot and assured the protesters that the matter would be thoroughly investigated.

The ASP said that the bandits had snatched the motorcycle (registration no KFT-0153) from Mr Danish and two of his accomplices escaped on the same motorcycle.

The police officer claimed that Mukesh had been nominated in other robbery cases also.

An FIR (No 145/12) was registered at the Preedy police station on Mr Danish’s complaint.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Mar 2012 05:26

Its a murder.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Mar 2012 07:43

Pakistan advertises for web censor

pralay · Post by **pralay** » 10 Mar 2012 10:54

Jhujar wrote: Jiyye Jiyye Sindh,Khappe Balochistan
Na Pakistan, Na Iska Namo Nishan!!!

Very nice quote

its my FB status now and it got two likes in few seconds hahahah

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Mar 2012 11:17

Loadshedding likely to increase as water reserves reach dead level
Ask us, we will shed our load whenever and whereever you want

LAHORE: The Tarbela and Mangla water reservoirs have touched dead level, affecting hydel power generation that is likely to increase loadshedding across the country, Geo News reported Saturday.According to sources, the lowest levels of water in Tarbela and Mangla Dam have reduced hydel power that will ultimately result in increased countrywide loadshedding. The water level in Mangla dam has reached 1,040 ft with the outflow of 31,182 cusecs against the inflow of 15,465 cusecs.Also, the water inflow in Tarbela Dam stands at 17,100 cusecs while the outflow is 16,400 cusecs.

Paqqi jeevan Hai tumari Assal kahani
Bhookha, Nanga , Begger Na Bijli Naa Pani

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 10 Mar 2012 11:42

pgbhat wrote:Islam named intelligence agency chief
Islamabad Pakistan appointed Lt General Zaheer- ul Islam as the new director-general of the country's powerful spy agency Friday.
Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's office statement said: "The prime minister has appointed Lt General Zaheer-ul Islam as the new DG ISI", referring to the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Islam is the commander of the V Corps, based in Karachi. He takes over from Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, who was appointed in 2008, and who oversaw some of the stormiest times in the US-Pakistan relationship.
Meanwhile, US drones killed 13 people in two missile strikes yesterday in South Waziristan on the border with Afghanistan, local television channels reported. Also yesterday, Taliban reportedly ambushed a Pakistani military convoy in North Waziristan, killing seven soldiers.

Looks like the new head of Hindu slayers, Zaheer-ul Islam is related to ShahRukh Khan. Expect more pyar mohabbat from SRK towards Paki terrorists.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2012 19:35

Charlie wrote: Looks like the new head of Hindu slayers, Zaheer-ul Islam is related to ShahRukh Khan. Expect more pyar mohabbat from SRK towards Paki terrorists.

Zaheer ul Islam has been named head of the Pakistani ISI and you have called him "the new head of Hindu slayers".

I accept your right to say what you believe, but I have qualms about the usage of the expression "Hindu slayers" for a Pakistani army general. I will explain that so please hear me out.

By historic record, "Hindu slayers" were Muslim invaders of India (until the Portuguese inquisitions started). So if you were to use the expression 'Hindu slayer" for all Indian and Pakistani Muslims I would accept that as honesty and boldness even if you risked getting banned.

But I believe that after 1947, most Indian Muslims due to either taqiya (self preservation) or genuine integration would not like to be associated with the term "Hindu slayer". On the other hand, being called "Hindu slayer" is a matter of pride for Pakistaniayat. Pakistanis pride themselves for slaying and subjugating Hindus. Killers of Hindus are their heroes.

So by calling a Pakistani a Hindu slayer you are feeding his pride while you are being dishonest in implying that all Muslims are not descendants of Hindu slayers and that only the Pakistani represents the slaying of Hindus. Clearly this is hypocritical obfuscation of the pseudosecular genre. You have after all slipped in Shah Rukh Khan's name. Why not go the whole hog and say everything honestly?

I ask you to think carefully and reconsider how and where you use the term. Say what you mean honestly and don't hide behind innuendo or hope.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 10 Mar 2012 19:55

There are descendants of non-Muslim slayers and even Muslim slayers on both sides of the border, but not all Muslims are descendants of non-Muslim slayers. "Hindu -slayer" can be replaced by "Muslim-war-rape-descendants".

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 10 Mar 2012 20:15

Not just relation with Shah Rukh Khan but is nephew of Indian National Army's National Hero

New ISI chief Zahir-ul-Islam shares tenuous link with Shah Rukh Khan - IndiaToday - Mar10, 2012

Pakistan's new ISI chief, Lt Gen Zahir-ul-Islam, is the nephew of Indian National Army hero Shah Nawaz Khan and through him, shares a tenuous link with Bollywood star Shah Rukh Khan.
Islam's father served as a brigadier in the Pakistan Army and Shah Nawaz Khan, who was a major general in the Indian National Army (INA) led by Subhas Chandra Bose, was his uncle, leading Pakistani defence analyst Ikram Sehgal said.

"One son of Shah Nawaz Khan went with him at the time of Partition, while another, Mahmood Nawaz, stayed on in Pakistan and became a full colonel.

"In fact, Mahmood Nawaz went and met his father only after retirement as he could not travel to India while he was in service," Sehgal said, providing details of the new ISI chief's extended family.

Shah Rukh Khan's late mother Lateef Fatima was the adopted daughter of Shah Nawaz Khan, according to the Bollywood star's biography on several websites.

Islam, who was on Friday appointed the new head of the powerful spy agency by Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, comes from a military family and was born in the garrison city of Rawalpindi.

It could not immediately be ascertained whether Islam had ever met Shah Nawaz Khan, who died in 1983.

Shah Nawaz Khan was himself born at Kahuta and served in the British Indian Army during World War II.

He was captured when Japanese troops overran Singapore in 1942 and then joined the INA.

He subsequently fought alongside Japanese forces against the British in Burma (now Myanmar).

Shah Nawaz Khan was captured by the British and put on trial with other INA officers in 1946.

They were convicted for treason but were discharged due to intense pressure from the public.

He later joined the Congress party and was elected to the Lok Sabha four times.

Before Islam's appointment as the ISI chief, some media reports had suggested that Bollywood star Saif Ali Khan's uncle Maj Gen Isfandyar Ali Khan Pataudi, a deputy director general in the spy agency, was in the running for the top slot.

However, sources said that Pataudi was never seen as a serious contender for the post of ISI chief.

Meanwhile, Paki army has been communicating with Paki ssoldiers that they share no relation:
ISI chief has no relation with Shahrukh Khan: ISPR

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 11 Mar 2012 00:54

Meanwhile scoreboard keeps ticking

PESHAWAR: At least six people were killed Saturday in a day-long gun battle between militants and government troops in Pakistan’s troubled northwestern tribal region, officials said.

And the good news is that no millitant was hurt.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Mar 2012 01:09

http://www.examiner.com/afghanistan-pol ... pakistan-1
Afghanistan: De-Pashtunization of Pashtuns by Taliban & Pakistan

For more than a thousand years the Afghan nation, and Pashtun tribes in particular, have resisted all foreign efforts of domination. Efforts by great empires have failed to suppress rich Pashtun culture and traditions, created during ancient Silk Road trading, the Jirga, language, art, music, song, poetry, dance, sports, food, humor, hospitality, etc... What great empires have failed to do is now being attempted by a late-comer, mini and sham-empire -- a collection of disjointed provinces known as Pakistan.Pakistan, using its indoctrinated proxy Taliban, has insidiously and perniciously forced the greatest damage to the identity, society, culture, traditions and posterity, of the Pashtuns. On the pretext of "Jihad", the Punjabi dominated Pakistani establishment has steadily reduced and de-Pashtunized the proud Pashtun community into pawns on the strategic chess-board.Since inception of Pakistan in 1947, the Pakistani state has only accepted either ultra-conservative Muslim nationalists or fundamentalists as the "sole anchorman" of the Pashtuns. It is not the Pashtun ethnicity of the Taliban that seeks Pakistan's support; it is the non-traditional ideology of the Taliban -- an ideology that purges traditional ethnic Pashtun identity that endearingly elevates the Taliban to the Pakistani establishment. Rephrasing, Pakistan is backing the Taliban not because they represent Pashtun nationalism but because they reject Pashtun nationalism; ever since the detachment of colonial overlords in the subcontinent, Pashtun culture has been an irritant factor to the Punjabi dominated Pakistani state. In the Pakistani scheme, anything that emphasizes Pashtun identity, culture, language, traditions must be suppressed or metamorphosed to serve the Punjab interests of Pakistan.
the nexus between the mafia and the mullah, which suited the Pakistani establishment perfectly; it allowed the exploitation of the Pashtun tribesmen as cannon fodder for the various misadventures of the Pakistani state, starting with the "tribal invasion" of Jammu and Kashmir in 1947 and culminating with the rise of the Taliban in the 1990s.
is fear of a Pashtun awakening that the Pakistanis have kept the Pashtun Tribal belt as a regressive anthropological cattle ranch where the social, cultural, educational and political development of the people remains medieval while adjoining areas - the so called "settled areas" - show some semblance of modernity. Pakistanis justify their FATA "reservation" policy based on arrogant colonial British who portrayed the Pashtuns as free-spirited, noble savages who lived by their own code of ethics and tolerated no attempt to curb their autonomy, much less their independence. The natural consequence of letting FATA become the "wild west" of Pakistan is that it remains under developed, under-educated and under-represented, and unfortunately, women have suffered the worst; being treated no better than commodities.Pakistan's policies, tactics and strategies towards the Afghan Pashtuns have been nothing short of devastating and are characterized by Pakistan's support for the Islamo-fascist Taliban; in post 9/11, Pakistan never changed course strategically in Afghanistan. In fact, after a two year recuperation time window, the Taliban regrouped after 9/11; then Pakistan unleashed them back into Afghanistan

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 11 Mar 2012 02:38

Narad wrote:Meanwhile scoreboard keeps ticking

PESHAWAR: At least six people were killed Saturday in a day-long gun battle between militants and government troops in Pakistan’s troubled northwestern tribal region, officials said.
And the good news is that no millitant was hurt.

Good militant or bad militant?

The game has gone out of control, there are too many teams in the group stages and even the most ardent follower of the game is lost trying to make sense out of the figures. Star players switch sides multiple times throughout the tournament and at times during the same match. There are too many foreign coaches and too much technology like Hawk Eye and DRS( Droned Roasted Shaheed) spoiling the fun for the purists.
The natives should slug it out amongst themselves without foreign interference, this will establish a paradigm of meritocracy and purity and in the end there will be only one pure team standing with no body left to purify.
What purist fans love to watch is wonderful rearguard action on seaming tracks like the one witnessed at PNS Mehran Stadium. The odd ugly hoik that barely makes it to the fence during the slog overs doesnt interest me..sorry.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Mar 2012 11:26

Paq'ISI'stan

Way forward for ISI

But Gen Islam will have several important choices before him when he takes up his new assignment later this month. He could continue the process of disengaging the ISI from a direct and influential role in the political process that, oddly enough, was begun under Gen Pasha. For when the history of Gen Pasha’s service is written, it will likely be acknowledged that his was a tenure of two halves. During his original term in office, Gen Pasha avoided overt meddling in the political process but after his extension was granted, and in particular the last few months of his service which have been embroiled in the ‘memogate’ controversy, the ISI has been perceived to have once again upped its involvement in politics. The allegations surrounding the creation of the Difaa-i-Pakistan Council and sponsorship of the Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaaf have been particularly damaging.With the appointment of Gen Islam, perhaps the recent practice of giving extensions in service to certain officers should also come to an end. Extensions are a controversial matter outside the armed services as well as inside, as the outgoing air force chief’s comments indicated. A professional institution with highly qualified and competent officers such as the Pakistan armed forces has no need for indispensables. When it’s time to go, it’s time to go.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 Mar 2012 12:40

News reports that 13 killed in Sunday Suicide Blast during Funeral march at Peshawar.

PESHAWAR: At least 13 people were killed and 29 others injured in Peshawar's Budh Bher area in a suicide bomb blast during funeral prayers, Geo News reported.

narenS · Post by **narenS** » 11 Mar 2012 12:54

Want to give a heads-up on US's thinking about Pakistan - This is what i could glean from Obama's Wars by Bob Woodward

# Paki's double game is well known in the NSC circles of US. NSC i mean, sec. state , sec. defence, DNI, CIA, JCS, Cen.Com and other assorted agencies. At once instance in a NSC meeting with Obama, Obama was frustrated with Pak's perfidy but clearly told that they CANT and DONT have the wherewithal to militarily challenge the PAK. I think Shiv is bang on when he says, the mighty US of A is powerless w.r.t to PAK. No less than POTUS says it, on record, in a NSC meeting.

# Jones, the then NSA, remarked that US's approach to PAK is only carrots and no sticks.

# General assessment of PAK situation is, it has a disproportionate leverage in the success of Afgan. The thinking, esp of Biden and Jones, is, without setting right PAK and controlling the Af-Pak borders, the mission in Afganistan is doomed to be a failure.

# Obama says it explicitly to Mr 10% that Pak has a carte-blanche in terms of arms aid for fighting terrorists. But he adds, and makes it clear to 10% that he WILL NOT arm Pak against India. Not happening.

# US of A assessment, at the highest levels, next major attack from PAK in India would invite a military response.

# Obama has no appetite for a war in Afganistan. He feels boxed in, made to run around in circles, by his military. Feels the military clique is unaccountable and always wants to have its own way.

# If the US military does not get security right in Afgan by July 2011, there would be a thinning out of american forces despite the dire situation. The model Obama wants the military to follow is, Take - Hold - Build - Transfer. At present, after two years, even the safest Afgan. towns are under Hold/Build phase of US Mil. It must rather be at Transfer state with Afgan forces taking over.

# Biden and the NSC staff think that Military is going to fail in Afghanistan. They are going to scoot and Obama will be left with a lemon, during presidential election. I feel it is already happening.

# Silver lining is, the entire spectrum of American military thinks that PAk is lying and there is a feeling of impotent anger when they know that hey cant do two hoots to PAK.

# Apparently, US Mil has given a list of 150 targets to POTUS, in case Obama wants to attack Pakistan. Obama and the entire security team laughs it off saying that it is a nonviable option considering PAK has around 100 nukes.

# Worse, even laughable for us Indians, is that the mighty khan intelligence is clueless about AQ and Talib assets in PAK. They are not fully mapped. Apparently, CIA has a secure base in Quetta. But ISI does not allow CIA to leave the base

. One must admire the temerity of the PAK.

# PAK has drawn a clear line with US of A. Their red line. They even refuse to share the list of PAK passengers leaving PAK for Western Europe saying it is none of Khan's business.

# There is a joke running around in NSC with ISI being clueless about TTP. I think, Pantetta, then CIA boss, suggested to ISI that they can go and ask their case officers who have more information about TTP than CIA or PAK themselves.

# US top brass knows India's perception about them. That Holbrooke is PAK friendly, Mullen is a close Paki and the whole NSC is filled with closet PAK lovers. Apparently, they have a good laugh about that and feel a sense of indignation. They say that Af-Pak envoy is the exact opposite and a hardliner on PAK. So is the NSC. They know that they are being taken for a ride by PAK but is powerless to do anything about it.

# US politicos is prepared for a worst case scenario. Get out of Afgan. Train the ANA and ANP. Degrade and eventually reconcile with Talib and hunt for AQ. Soon, it will be a counter terrorism operation, not a counter insurgency operation.

# During Stanley Mc Chrystal time, he had tripled the JSOC teams in Afgan. It is already happening in Afgan.

# Drones, even though, are a daily occurrence in PAK, no one in US believes they are a success. Obama, remarks that drones will not serve the purpose of defeating AQ or Talib. Even though the CIA loves it, no one thinks it works.

# If a new terror attack in US is traced to PAK, there will be military retribution. This was conveyed to PAK, at the highest levels. Same is the case with an attack in India, a military response against PAK is guaranteed.

# After a meeting with Haqqani, the good one, Jones and Holbrooke, and the NSC concluded that even if US offers all military hardware, PAK will not act against the extremist networks. There is a clear realization that they will be used against India.

# Everyone thinks Kiyani is a liar

# I can conclude that US does not have a stomach to fight PAK. They are buying time with PAK so that they get the economy right. I feel, same is the case with India. We are buying time to get our economy right. I feel, there is a underlying realization that India and US would, some time in future, may have to militarily respond to PAK.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 11 Mar 2012 14:01

basically your sources say that Pakistan has defeated US in its famed War on Terror and US doesnt have a clue how to keep its chaddi.

If that analysis is correct we can expect badder days ahead in the Indo-American relationships, as India will move to a more public position of support while the Khans rage in their impotence (which will be pointed out during the change in Indian posture).

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 11 Mar 2012 14:07

Excellently summarized Naren ji. All of that is near about the correct and current perspectives POTUS, NSA wrt Pak, ISI and the AFPAK region. There has been significant change in thinking since the Powell team has left the administration. The US helplessness has been expressed at times in their response when India wanted the US to put Pak in the terror sponsor list. Both India and the US decided engagement would be in the best interests. Pressure points like Baluchistan will have to be opened up, US aid to Pak curtailed.