Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Mar 2012 07:42

Charlie wrote:Two Paki UN peace keepers in Haiti jailed for raping 14 year old boy

They were let off lightly by Paki army judges even though the victim was a minor. Guess, its a cultural thingy in the Islamic republic that Haitian wouldn't understand.

Two U.N. peacekeepers from Pakistan have been sentenced to a year in prison for raping a 14-year-old Haitian boy after being convicted in a Pakistani military trial in Haiti, authorities said on Monday.

U.N. spokeswoman Sylvie Van Den Wildenberg said judges from a Pakistani military tribunal came to the impoverished Caribbean nation to hold the trial that resulted in the conviction last week of the peacekeepers. They were found guilty in the rape of the boy in the northern city of Gonaives on January 20.

The two soldiers, who have not been identified by name, were summarily discharged from the military and sentenced to a year behind bars in their homeland, the U.N. spokeswoman said.

In a country where extra maritial sex between consenting adult hetrosexuals can get a punishment of being stoned to death, the handing down of a sentence by a Pakistani tribunal of a year for the homosexual rape of a minor is surprising.

Is this lenient sentence because Mohammadden religious Shariah law has some inbuilt clause that automatically reduces sentences for personnel belonging to the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

Or is it because homosexual rape of non Mohammadden Kaafir minors has some inbuilt leeway in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Mohammadden religious Shariah law based penal system?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Mar 2012 07:50

arun wrote: In a country where extra maritial sex between consenting adult hetrosexuals can get a punishment of being stoned to death, the handing down of a sentence by a Pakistani tribunal of a year for the homosexual rape of a minor is surprising.

Is this lenient sentence because Mohammadden religious Shariah law has some inbuilt clause that automatically reduces sentences for personnel belonging to the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

Or is it because homosexual rape of non Mohammadden Kaafir minors has some inbuilt leeway in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Mohammadden religious Shariah law based penal system?

Culturally sodomy of young boys is looked at as acceptable in Islamic societies, especially where heterosexual sex is punished by death. This is documented but not accepted. Not accepting a blatantly obvious fact is a typical Islamic characteristic. Such accusations are usually answered by counter accusations like "Oh you have homosexuals in your culture too. It has nothing to do with islam" But the restrictions that are placed by Muslims on plain heterosexual sex encourage sodomy of young boys. One year in jail for sex with a boy is a heavy sentence for a Paki. The Pakistani judges must have been jealous of the fun the soldiers had.

I recently read something about how the devotional passages to Krishna and his girlfriends which were common in Indian poetry/music were gradually "sanitized" under Mughal pressure and it became halal to speak of the beauty of young boys.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Mar 2012 09:18

for those tracking Mehran Bank case (not Mehran attack

, I wish we had few more of such)

Hamid Mir interviewing Younus Habib, the owner of Mehran and Habib bank

The significance of this case is the focus it brings regarding the role of Paki army and ISI in the domestic political landscape of pukistan.
Mirza Aslam Beg is the cynosure of this case besides Younus himself.

IMO, with the way Hamid Mir tries to extract details, which may not be quite kosher with both politicians and PA/ISI, he is playing quite risky. At the end of the part 3, he gives quite a statement about his crusade against limiting Paki army/ISI role from domestic politics.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Mar 2012 10:16

no more bird droppings in pukistan

WASHINGTON: Pakistan has told the United States that it will no longer permit US drones to use its airspace to attack militants and collect intelligence on al-Qaeda and other groups, Bloomberg News reports

neeraj · Post by **neeraj** » 14 Mar 2012 11:28

Chinese bank ditches Iran gas project

Taller than mountain and deeper than ocean brotherly acts

A consortium led by the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) has ‘run away’ from providing financial advisory services for the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project apparently because of the US opposition to the plan and forced the government to look for alternative financing options.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 14 Mar 2012 13:39

In other recent news, National Bird strikes again and takes 15, including two "good Taliban" commanders and six other "good taliban" foot soldiers.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... _2_goo.php

Frankly, I think the only good Taliban is one who's met his 72.

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 14 Mar 2012 16:02

sum wrote:
neeraj wrote:Gilani uvacha:
“Such is the level of our closeness that no air can pass between me and the military,”

Guess a new BENIS slogan is born!!

Their Benises make air tunnel, no air can pass between them, instead it passes through them

BENIS Air Tunnel (BAT) ... omg ... i am going to hell

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 14 Mar 2012 16:04

MS Gill with Najam Sethi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXgDxwbmfqU

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Mar 2012 18:14

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 263119.cms

Imran pulls out of India trip over Salman Rusdhie.

ISLAMABAD: Pakistani cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan on Wednesday abruptly cancelled a visit to India after it emerged British author Salman Rushdie would speak at the same conference.

Khan was scheduled to attend the India Today Conclave in New Delhi on Friday as a keynote speaker but pulled out, in a move likely to raise further fears among liberals about his brand of politics.

A statement from his party said "he could not even think of participating in any programme that included Salman Rushdie, who has caused immeasurable hurt to Muslims across the globe".

Organisers announced on Tuesday that Rushdie would speak at the conference, two months after death threats (from Whom? CON party?) forced him to withdraw from India's premier literature festival.

In recent months, he has emerged as a credible political voice in Pakistan, unnerving his opponents by drawing crowds of more than 100,000 to rallies in which he has promised a "good tsunami" against injustice and corruption.

Khan's popularity comes as Pakistan wilts under attacks linked to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, power cuts, a feeble economy, flood damage, friction between civilian and military leaders and tensions with Washington.

Women and liberals have raised concerns, however, about Khan's links with right-wing Islamic groups and his call for peace with the Taliban.

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 14 Mar 2012 22:01

I see my FACTUAL description of sharia law as applied to kaffirs in Saudi Barbaria has mysteriously disappeared.
Ignoring reality doesn't not make it disappear.

To whom do I owe this politically correct favor? They did not have the decency to state who they were or why they did so.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Mar 2012 22:02

Pakistan ‘agrees’ to restore Nato supplies

The civilian and military leadership has agreed in principle to revive normal relations with US-led forces in Afghanistan and restore Nato supplies through its land. Senior US officials in Washington also say they have been informed by Pakistani authorities that a high-level meeting in Islamabad on Wednesday agreed in principle to restore supplies for NATO forces. President Asif Ali Zardari presided over the meeting and was attended by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani Air Chief Marshal Qamar Suleman and DG ISI Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha. Senior coalition leaders including Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi, the ANP Chief Asfandyar Wali Khan and MQM leader Farooq Sattar were also attending the meeting. The rare meeting of the country’s top civilian and military leadership as well as key allies was called just days ahead of the joint session of the parliament that will mark the new parliamentary year but will mainly focus on the debate on the future relationship with the US and NATO allies. Although the government spokesmen told the media that the meeting reiterated the government’s earlier stance that the parliament will take decision on the NATO supply and relationship with the US, the leaders agreed to restore land route for NATO and revive normal ties with the US. Senior US officials in Washington said they have been conveyed after the Islamabad meeting about the decisions. In return the U.S. will also allow the equipments delivery to Pakistan which had been blocked after Islamabad blocked NATO supply line in November. Pakistan blocked supplies for nearly 150,000 NATO troops in Afghanistan as protest against the air strikes by the American fighter jets and helicopters in Muhmand triabl region and killed 24 soldiers. Pakistan had also vacated the key Shamsi airbase from the US army and had boycotted the Bonn conference on Afghanistan as a protest. Pakistan had also refused to welcome top US military leaders and diplomats until parliamentary review is completed, which had also been delayed for some time. But the meeting also decided to receive the top US visitors whenever they want to visit Pakistan and they agreed with the proposed visit of the US Centcom chief General Mathis, who is likely to visit later this month.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 15 Mar 2012 00:16

tejas wrote:I see my FACTUAL description of sharia law as applied to kaffirs in Saudi Barbaria has mysteriously disappeared.
Ignoring reality doesn't not make it disappear. To whom do I owe this politically correct favor? They did not have the decency to state who they were or why they did so.

Might be still there.
Or you dont remember the Dhaga you posted into ?

Click 1
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Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Mar 2012 00:33

ArmenT wrote:In other recent news, National Bird strikes again and takes 15, including two "good Taliban" commanders and six other "good taliban" foot soldiers.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... _2_goo.php

Frankly, I think the only good Taliban is one who's met his 72.

What happened to yesterday's declaration of sovirginity denying permission to unkil for further national bird flights? Garam hawa as usual?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Mar 2012 02:05

Tejas, you posted in another thread. Not here. You need to take break for ER work.

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 15 Mar 2012 04:02

Ramana Garu my apologies

I actually made that errant post ( could have sworn I had posted it after arun's post here) while I was taking a break from a long list of complicated oncology CT's. BR is a great stress reliever for me, I only miss briefly checking in at work on the busiest of days. Anyway sorry once again.

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 15 Mar 2012 05:21

Please watch the latest episode of Najam Sethi's Aapas ki Baat episode (14th Mach 2012) , here he is de-bunking the myths and lies the Pakis have been fed since they were born.
If Najam Sethi continues to tell the truth at this rate on national television, he would soon be declared Wahji-bull-cattle by the ghazis of Pak Fauj and be Kaadrified soon.
Few weeks back he has already said he is getting death threats from "Ass-tablishment".

Link -
http://www.zemtv.com/2012/03/15/aapas-k ... arch-2012/

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 15 Mar 2012 10:32

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-39969 ... de-attack#

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Mar 2012 10:45

New rules of engagement with US, NATO approved

Islamabad—The top military and political leadership of the country on Wednesday approved recommendations over new rules of engagement with the Nato and the US

The recommendations will be tabled in the joint session of the parliament on March 17.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Mar 2012 10:47

Six killed in Bajaur Agency blast

Peshawar—A remote controlled explosion targeting the pro-government elder in troubled Bajaur agency Wednesday killed at least six people and serious injuries to three others.

Reports reaching here said the unknown miscreants had planted the explosive devise outside the Hujra of a tribal Malik at Kotkai village in Tehsil Momond of Bajaur Agency that was detonated with the help of remote control. The explosion which damaged the building, resulted in critical injuries to several tribals.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Mar 2012 11:00

http://www.bellevision.com/Bv/index.php ... h&type=297

The former head of Britain’s Special Intelligence Service, Nigel Inkster, on Sunday categorically said Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was behind the 2008 suicide bomb attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul , which killed 60 people.

Inkster, speaking at a seminar that London School of Economics (LSE) , said the "evidence of ISI’s involvement in the bombing was clear cut" . Inkster is a decorated espionage specialist. The seminar was on the BBC documentary, ’Secret Pakistan’ , and its findings.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Mar 2012 18:57

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46742088/ns ... 2HpH8V5HgU

The mullah was astounded and a little angered to be asked why the accidental burning of Korans last month could provoke violence nationwide, while an intentional mass murder that included nine children last Sunday did not.

“How can you compare the dishonoring of the Holy Koran with the martyrdom of innocent civilians?” said an incredulous Mullah Khaliq Dad, a member of the council of religious leaders who investigated the Koran burnings. “The whole goal of our life is religion.”

After more than 10 years, many deaths and billions of dollars invested, Americans still fail to grasp the Afghans’ basic values. Faith is paramount and a death can be compensated with blood money.
“To Muslims, and especially to Afghans, religion is much higher a concern than civilian or human casualties,” said Hafez Abdul Qayoom, a member of Afghanistan’s highest clerical body, the Ulema Council. “When something happens to their religion, they are much more sensitive and have much stronger reaction to it

Still, the contrast with the reaction to the Feb. 20 Koran burnings is striking. Within a day of the burnings, violent protests outside NATO bases broke out, and apologies from top officials did little to stem two weeks of violence that took at least 29 lives.

Mullah Qayoom is surprised that anyone is surprised.
“Humans were sent here to worship and protect religion,” he said. “That is what the purpose of a Muslim’s life is.

No wonder Pakis use them as slaves. These people can't be saved and Pakis with all their duplicity know how to use them.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 15 Mar 2012 19:40

vijayk wrote:“Humans were sent here to worship and protect religion,” he said. “That is what the purpose of a Muslim’s life is"

Mirza Ghalib asked a question to these types
Na thaa kuch to khuda thaa, kuch na hota to khuda hota
duboya mujhko hooney ney, na hota main, toh kya hota?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Mar 2012 20:40

vijayk wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46742088/ns ... 2HpH8V5HgU

The mullah was astounded and a little angered to be asked why the accidental burning of Korans last month could provoke violence nationwide, while an intentional mass murder that included nine children last Sunday did not.

“How can you compare the dishonoring of the Holy Koran with the martyrdom of innocent civilians?” said an incredulous Mullah Khaliq Dad, a member of the council of religious leaders who investigated the Koran burnings. “The whole goal of our life is religion.”

Er if you ask a prostitute what life is about, she will say the whole goal of life is to get screwed.

A mullah is completely useless for anything on earth other than Islam. He is otherwise unemployable and would certainly be unemployed if he did not say that. It's not his answer the surprises me - its the stupidity of the questioner who asked him.

Interviews of these morons are like voyeurs looking fascinated at maggots crawling in a festering stinking wound.

I mean if a toilet cleaning brush were able to talk and was asked the purpose of life it would likely say "Cleaning out the insides of toilet bowls"

“To Muslims, and especially to Afghans, religion is much higher a concern than civilian or human casualties,”

Bullshit. If you kill enough of them then life becomes more of a concern.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 15 Mar 2012 20:54

Bullshit. If you kill enough of them then life becomes more of a concern.

Mostly they get killed also because they don't abandon the Jihadi fervor against the less pious, Kufr, Infidel or whoever fits their definition of Bull Cattle.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 15 Mar 2012 21:20

I think the Mullah is wrong. If and when an absolute choice between religion and life is given, I think most muslims(including this mullah) will choose life. Further, if and when that the choice of religion means humiliation, pain, hopelessness, ...etc, I think most muslims(including this mullah) will abandon religion quickly and outrightly.

Most muslims(specially in regions like Astan) hang on to religion because it is socially acceptable, gives hope(of afterlife), mullahs/regimes enforce it by punishing all those who abandon religion, and because no one is allowed to question the premises of the religion(i.e. lack of freedom to question Islam).

There is no infallibility about belief of muslims of Astan in Islam. It is a myth that the mullah wants to propagate and perpetuate.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Mar 2012 07:43

A Court in the Enlightend Moderate Islamic Republic of Pakistan, claiming to draw on Mohammadden religious law, hands down a life sentence for burning a book.

The punishment is clearly disproportionate to the misdemenour and any recourse by Pakistan to theological justification reflects very poorly on the Mohammadden religion.:

Pakistani Muslim jailed for burning Koran

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 16 Mar 2012 08:38

arun wrote:A Court in the Enlightend Moderate Islamic Republic of Pakistan, claiming to draw on Mohammadden religious law, hands down a life sentence for burning a book.

The punishment is clearly disproportionate to the misdemenour and any recourse by Pakistan to theological justification reflects very poorly on the Mohammadden religion.:

Pakistani Muslim jailed for burning Koran

At first blush, one would be led to believe it is a case of valuing religion more than life in EnMo TSP. However, on further scrutiny, it fits the pattern of more-green on less-green action and justified in TSP by the EnMo judge.

"The neighbour overheard and called the police. Members of a rival (Sunni Muslim) sect with whom I had been clashing in the past suddenly became active in this case that is why I have been convicted," he said.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Mar 2012 08:57

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

Green on Green sectarian violence returns to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s commercial capital of Karachi.

For a country claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, the level of violence inflicted upon minority sects of Mohammaddenism for nothing more than practising a different variant of that religion by their co-religionists, is shocking:

Shia killing: Hail of bullets leave Jafaria Alliance leader injured, son dead

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Mar 2012 09:39

Son-in-Law of of former Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Lt. Gen Tariq Majeed who was goatnapped 1.5 years back was released today. Also a swiss couple were released today. People are hoping Salman Taseer's munna will be released soon too, but that hasnt happened (yet)

Reliable Little birdie tells me massive prisoner swap with the Taliban was involved.

Not-so-reliable Little birdie tells me that Rehman Malik, the Paki interior minister (famous for such statements like He will strangle blasphemers with his own bare hands and also famous for driving in full speed away from Benazir blast scene) was involved in negotiations.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 16 Mar 2012 10:24

Over 700 Pakistanis got Indian citizenship

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Mar 2012 10:43

A case of high treason?

Article 243 of the constitution vests the supreme command of the armed forces in the president of the republic. The oath of the members of the armed forces, pursuant to Article 244 read with the Third Schedule, states clearly:

"I do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan and uphold the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which embodies the will of the people, that I will not engage myself in any political activities whatsoever and that I will honestly and faithfully serve Pakistan in the Pakistan Army (or Navy or Air Force) as required by and under the law."

Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan's petition - which was taken up by then chief justice Sajjad Ali Shah in 1996 and has finally seen the light of the day - asks for the trial of former army chief Gen (r) Aslam Beg on grounds of high treason. That is a fair demand.

Article 6(1) of the Constitution of Pakistan as it stood in the 1990s reads: "Any person who abrogates or attempts or conspires to abrogate, subverts or attempts or conspires to subvert the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason."

In the view of this writer, the Asghar Khan petition promises to be the most important constitutional case in our history. A Supreme Court verdict against Gen (r) Mirza Aslam Beg and his co-conspirators - Gen (r) Asad Durrani, Younus Habib and the politicians who received the funds - will go a long way in stamping forcefully the principle of civilian supremacy in Pakistan.

If the Supreme Court does not back down under pressure, it would undo the many wrongs of our history, including the judiciary's collusion with military dictators. May the wise lordships seize this moment of history for the sake of our posterity. If they do not, the same posterity will condemn them as we have condemned those before them.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Mar 2012 11:02

more coverage on ass-slum beg...may he and his cronies get court martialed
Soldier of misfortune Analysis By Khaled Ahmed

Beg's lateral thinking on drugs

Ardeshir Cowasjee (Dawn 21 July 2002) reveals that in 1991 Aslam Beg and Asad Durrani met Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and told him that funds for vital on-going covert operations were drying up, but they had a foolproof plan to generate money by dealing in drugs. They asked for his permission to associate themselves with the drug trade, assuring him of full secrecy and no chance of any trail leading back to them.

In 1988, General Zia removed the Junejo government under Section 58-2B. The Supreme Court found that the president had wrongfully dismissed the government, but it didn't restore it. Years later, ex-COAS General Aslam Beg revealed that he had sent a message to chief justice Zullah through chairman Senate Wasim Sajjad ordering the Court not to restore the Junejo government. When a contempt petition against the ex-COAS was brought before the Court, once again the Court visibly shied away from proceeding against him, and the rumour was that the GHQ had interceded for Aslam Beg.

Beg's proliferation
Washington-based journalist Khalid Hasan writing in Daily Times (11 November 2004) quoted a New Republic article referring to a statement made by Dr AQ Khan that Aslam Beg, army chief from 1988 to 1991, had authorised the sale of Pakistan's nuclear weapons' technology to other states.

General Zia died in an air-crash in 1988 and the man first accused of having planned it was Zia's chief of staff, Aslam Beg, who acted in a strange manner after the crash. He declined to sit in the plane that was hit, then changed his statements about where he went after the crash and who had actually killed Zia. Zia's son, Ijazul Haq, who was in the Nawaz Sharif government after the 1990 election, kept accusing Aslam Beg of having killed his father - till many years later he changed his line to accuse the Americans like everyone else.

Beg and AQ Khan
London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies, issued its report Nuclear Black Markets: Pakistan, AQ Khan and the Rise of Proliferation Networks, in 2007. It noted: In 2000, when General Pervez Musharraf ordered his National Accountability Bureau (NAB) to inquire into the affairs of Dr AQ Khan, NAB relied on an earlier investigation carried out under Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif by the ISI in 1998-1999 to confirm that Khan was buying too much material for Pakistan's own programme and that he had given a house to General Beg and was paying off numerous Pakistani journalists and even funding a newspaper.

Zahid Hussain, Frontline Pakistan: The Struggle with Militant Islam, Columbia University Press, New York, 2007, p.166, states: Nawaz Sharif's finance minister Ishaq Dar disclosed that 'Beg came back from Tehran with an offer of $5 billion in return for nuclear know-how, but Sharif rejected the offer'.

Weekly Karachi magazine Takbeer printed a report in 1992 which reads like a 'leak' from the post-Aslam Beg military leadership. The report was published in the 20 August 1992 issue under the title Saaniha Bahawalpur main chand A'la Fauji Afsar Mulawwis hein (Some High-ranking Army Officers are involved in the Bahawalpur Tragedy). Its editor Salahuddin was later mysteriously killed in Karachi.

Beg and 'Takbeer' revelations
About General Zia's death in an air-crash in Bahawalpur, it noted: When Zia asked Beg to return to Islamabad with him in his C-130, Beg said he had to go to Lahore on some other mission. This statement he gave on 19 August 1988. But on 25 August he told some officers that he actually had to go to Multan and therefore had declined to go with Zia. But the log book of his plane mentioned no planned trips to either Multan or Lahore on the page-entry for 17 August. On 18 August 1988, in the presence of some American officials, Beg stated that Zia had been killed by Russian KGB, Indian RAW and Afghan Khad working in tandem. After a few days, meeting the dead chief's family, he accused the Americans of having killed him!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Mar 2012 11:14

an extremely important point from paki and regional perspective
ISI has taken over GHQ by hazam sethi

The army was constitutionally mandated to be an arm of the Pakistan state with elected civilians in control of the executive. But it has seized the commanding heights and subordinated the other organs of the state to its own unaccountable purposes.

In recent times, however, something even more sinister has been happening. This is the creeping growth of the ISI from a small arms-length intelligence directorate or department of the military (Inter Services Intelligence Directorate) in the initial decades of independent Pakistan to an omnipotent and invisible "deep state within the state" that now controls both military strategy and civilian policy.

General Pervez Musharraf's unprecedented appointment of General Ashfaq Kayani, a former DG-ISI, as COAS was the first step in this direction. The second was General Kayani's own decision to routinely rotate senior and serving ISI officers to positions of command and control in the army and vice-versa, coupled with his insistence on handpicking the DGISI and extending his service. Together, these decisions reflect a harsh new reality. The ISI has walked into GHQ and seized command and control of the armed forces.
This is a deeply troubling development because it violates the established norm-policy of all militaries in democratic societies - intelligence services must consciously be kept at arms length from GHQ because "field commanders must not get contaminated" or tainted by cloak and dagger operations in grey zones. That is why COAS Gen Zia ul Haq kicked Gen Akhtar Abdul Rehman, DGISI, upstairs to CJOSC rather than give him troops to command. That is why COAS Gen Asif Nawaz sidelined DGISI Gen Asad Durrani as IG Training and Evaluation. That is why COAS Gen Waheed Kakar prematurely retired Gen Durrani from service for playing politics in GHQ and then recommended Gen Jehangir Karamat as his successor rather than his close confidante and former DGISI Gen Javed Ashraf Qazi. Indeed, that is why the CIA, RAW, MI6, KGB, MOSSAD etc remain under full civilian operations and control even though soldiers may be seconded to them or head them occasionally.

This is a critical point in Pakistan's political history. On the one hand, the civilians all agree that the military should be subservient to civilian authority, that the national security state must be replaced by a social welfare state and that peace and trade rather than war and aid paradigms should prevail in security policies without friends or enemies. On the other side, the military high command is more lacking in credibility now than at any time since 1971. Meanwhile, the judiciary and media have broken free from the stranglehold of the civilian executive and military command and want to hold both accountable.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Mar 2012 11:21

TFT Nugget:

Shahbaz's security guards acting funny

Daily Jinnah Chief Minister Punjab Shahbaz Sharif was able to detect that his security squad was acting in a strange fashion, which could endanger his safety. He got three of the squad arrested under possible suspicion of ideological penetration and fired the IG Punjab Javed Iqbal. His son Hamza was head of the inquiry team

Such Gup

Oh so quietly

Feeling the heat at home, the khakis have once again turned to their perennial godfather, Uncle Sam, and are trying to improve the relationship they've shot to pieces with their own hand and their too-clever-by-half manipulations. On the face of it "Parliament will decide" but behind the scenes Uncle Sam's General M is looking forward to a meeting with the Invisible Soldiers Inc's new head honcho oh so quietly in a Gulf Emirate. As for the old head honcho, some people want to know why he made such frequent trips to Vienna of all places, other than London and Dubai? Did the trips have to do with affairs of state or affairs of the heart?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Mar 2012 17:02

arun wrote: Pakistani Muslim jailed for burning Koran

His mother also testified against the accused

AoA!!

member_20617 · Post by **member_20617** » 16 Mar 2012 19:54

I am always puzzled as to why Mullas encourage other fanatic Muslims to don the soosai vest and claim 72 raisins?

Why aren’t they (Mullas) interested in blowing themselves up to get 72 houris?

Could it be that these Mullas are smart and know the truth that there are no houris?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Mar 2012 19:59

Shankaraa wrote:I am always puzzled as to why Mullas encourage other fanatic Muslims to don the soosai vest and claim 72 raisins?

Why aren’t they (Mullas) interested in blowing themselves up to get 72 houris?

Could it be that these Mullas are smart and know the truth that there are no houris?

Soosais leave behind widows who are ripe for p(l)ucking.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Mar 2012 20:06

shankaraa - the mullah is at the vanguard of the glorious ummahtoriate revolution, some greens are more green than others and therefore must lead the less green. therefore they sacrifice their fervent desire for the heavenly 72 and suffer on earth with the widows and sisters and daughters of the valiant faithfools

member_20617 · Post by **member_20617** » 16 Mar 2012 20:11

Lalmohan wrote:shankaraa - the mullah is at the vanguard of the glorious ummahtoriate revolution, some greens are more green than others and therefore must lead the less green. therefore they sacrifice their fervent desire for the heavenly 72 and suffer on earth with the widows and sisters and daughters of the valiant faithfools

suffer

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 16 Mar 2012 20:31

From "Tribune" (posted in full). Jihadi judges getting a taste of their own medicine from equally jihadi lawyers.
Sessions court: 24 judges seek transfer away from ‘abusive’ lawyers

Say abuse and intimidation by lawyers has made their jobs impossible.

By Rana Yasif - Published: March 16, 2012
LAHORE: Twenty four additional district and sessions judges have written to the Lahore High Court (LHC) registrar seeking a transfer out of the city because, they say, they are sick of being abused, threatened and beaten up by lawyers.

Sources told The Express Tribune that District and Sessions Judge Mujahid Mustaqeem Ahmed had learnt of the letter from LHC Registrar Sohail Nasir and later called an emergency meeting to convince the judges to stay, but the matter had not been resolved yet. They are to meet again in a few days.

The letter was signed by ADSJs Chaudhry Nazir Ahmad, Khizar Hayat Sial, Mohammad Qasim, Mohammad Saeedullah Mughal, Mohammad Shiraz Kayani, Azizullah, Tariq Mehmood Zargham, Pervaiz Iqbal Sipra, Chaudhry Munir Ahmad, Mahrukh Aziz Tarar, Abdus Sattar Langah, Mohammad Javidul Hassan Chishti, Naveed Ahmad, Abul Hasnat Mohammad Zulqarnain Chaudhry, Shahida Saeed, Aurangzeb Chaudhry, Mohammad Ejaz Butt, Hamid Hussain, Anjum Raza Syed, Rana Zahid Iqbal, Mohammad Tahir Khan Niazi, Mohammad Nadeem Shoukat, Mohammad Arif Hameed Sheikh and Mohammad Ramzan.

The judges accused the lawyers who appear before them of seeking to win their cases at all costs regardless of morality and ethics. “Some lawyers also use physical force for the purpose,” they said.

The judges wrote in the letter that some lawyers had beaten up judges who ruled against them. Some lawyers routinely tore up judicial orders that they did not like in the courtroom. They said that the lawyers’ behaviour was making it impossible for them to do their jobs, so they should be transferred.

Sources said that Judge Mustaqeem Ahmed had met the judges in his chamber for about an hour and heard their concerns. He had tried to convince them to withdraw the application, but they had refused.

Ahmed told The Express Tribune that another meeting would be held in a few days. He said that no judge would be transferred, unless they had “genuine problems”. He said that the meeting would discuss the setting up of an independent committee that would investigate reports of clashes between judges and lawyers and then recommend penalties, for the former or the latter. “They are here to provide justice to the needy masses, rather than fight with each other,” he said, adding that the matter would also be discussed with the LHC registrar.

Talking to The Express Tribune, some ADSJs said that judges were abused and threatened by lawyers every day in the Sessions Court. They said some lawyers were telling clients that they had judges in their pockets and would get the desired verdict for a fee. “When the judges decide cases on merit, the lawyers start abusing them,” they said.

They said ADSJ Rana Zahid Iqbal was recently abused by a lawyer in his courtroom. A group of lawyers had later tried to assault him, but he was saved by his staff, they said. They said that Judges Husnain Qadir Ghillon, Ejaz Butt and Sheraz Kayani had been abused and mistreated by lawyers in recent days.

Lahore Bar Association president Chaudhry Zulfiqar Ahmed rejected the judges’ claims, saying they could not give a single concrete example of a lawyer mistreating a judge. He said that he would meet with the LHC chief justice to discuss the matter.
Published in The Express Tribune, March 16th, 2012.