Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

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Here is one of the recent ones (not sure if THE latest). Not sure if it was posted. quoting in full.

Where to with anti-Americanism? Murtaza Razvi | 6th April, 2012
Just who is the non-starter Parliamentary Committee for National Security (PCNS) trying to fool, you may well ask. Certainly not the US, whose patience is being put to a test? The people of Pakistan? Perhaps. Comprising elected representatives from the treasury and the opposition, the committee cuts a sorry figure as it struggles to come to a consensus on redefining Pakistan-US relations.

What are the credentials and therefore worth of the members of the committee which does not have a single foreign policy expert on it? Has the PCNS bothered to consult such experts in the academia, the think tanks, career diplomats or anyone having any expertise in the field? The answer is a resounding ‘no’.

It’s only a boys club fighting over randomly proposed disparate views. They seem to have little understanding that foreign policy is no child’s play; it cannot be based on the political wishes or one or the other party, which are being equated with national interest.

Pray tell what is national interest? :?: Words like sovereignty, national honour and integrity ring as hollow as they are because they are not injected with any defined meaning. Let’s see what these words and terms have in effect meant to Pakistanis in recent years.

First, take sovereignty. It has variously meant Pakistan’s leaders’ will, or lack thereof, to let the country suspend itself in free fall; let us kill our Benazirs, Salman Taseers and Shahbaz Bhattis, practise hate and violence in the name of Islam, let the Taliban and the like run amok, turn a blind eye to the bin Ladens and the like who perpetrate atrocities such as those in Mumbai, and cry murder when the world questions us on such issues.

National honour has meant locking up women, denying justice to rape victims, forced conversions of Hindu girls and securing the ‘ideological’ frontiers :arrow: . The last mentioned translates into insisting that we have our own value systems and a worldview shaped by these, and of which we are very proud, regardless of whether or not they conform to globally accepted norms of decency and human rights. We started a whole new country to nurture this ideology of isolationism and we are immensely proud of what we have achieved as a result, the nukes being a shining example, which bring us much national honour and pride.

National integrity has meant suppressing the many indigenous, living cultures, denial of ethnic and religious diversity of our people and attempts at imposing a medieval, tribal Bedouin code. This was a code that Arabs themselves had discarded as soon as Islam grew beyond the Arabian peninsula in less than 30 years of the great faith’s proclamation, and reached the Fertile Crescent, the cradle of human civilisation.

From there and beyond, Caliphate transformed itself into dynastic, secular rule, embracing modern learning and patronising knowledge, the arts and science. In the heyday of Islamic civilisation, spread over Arab and non-Arab lands, no attempts were made to suppress indigenous cultures, languages or faiths; Arabic progressed just as much as did Persian or Turkish, for instance. This was left to be done in today’s Pakistan in the name of national integrity.

Religion was never the defining feature of nationhood :!: :idea: . The Ummah under Muslim rule had comprised Muslims and non-Muslims alike, Christians and Jews lived alongside Muslims in harmony without endangering the so-called nation of Islam — from the early state established at Madina to Islam reaching the shores of the Mediterranean, from Palestine to Spain. Today in Pakistan we want the world to leave us to our own devices in the name of national integrity, to be free to suppress the Baloch, for instance.

The question is: do we want such sovereignty, national honour and integrity as we have been practising to define our march forward in a world that is increasingly interdependent? It is in the pursuance of such isolationist internal and external policies that we have wreaked havoc at home and lost many friends, including China, of late. Depending heavily on the US and its regional allies economically, especially the Gulf Sheikhs and international market mechanisms, can Pakistan base its foreign policy on the mere wishes of its politicians to score brownie points with the generals and the electorate in an election year?

We will be deceiving ourselves by focusing on the half truth that the US needs Pakistan; we also need the US and its allies for our own sanity and a chance at survival. The lunatic fringe sympathetic to the Taliban and the like is only a fringe. The politicians and the generals are doing Pakistanis a disservice by mainstreaming their ruinous agenda in foreign policy considerations. Let the think tanks, foreign policy academics and economic managers guide the PCNS in its deliberations.

The debate on what is national interest should be taken up by the media and the experts invited to deliberate on the issue. It is they who must be given the forum to guide the parliamentary committee and parliament.
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Roperia wrote:Manmohan Singh and Asif Zardari: A Hopeful Encounter

Apologies if this has been posted before. The Schaffers analyse the current status of Paki Schizophrenia with India
Some thoughts come to mind after reading this colonial narrative

1. India TSP equal equal as always
2. Mumbia (26/11) is now a list of "issues" between India & TSP. Oh my my how dare us SDREs conisder 26/11 as anything but that. Not a game changing seminal act of barbarity perpetrated by TSP. Unlike of course 9/11 which is such a seminal event during which scores of God's own white children perished and entire mankind must pay reverence to the solemn remembrance every year
3. The slime balls portray US as a passive observer when the fact of the matter is that US is the colonial master calibrating TSP's continued act of war against India to secure its geo-political India containment objective
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Rony wrote:The glory of Paki Army in full frontal

Nights of the knights
Brigade Major Munawar Khan testified before the Hamood-ur -Rahman Commission (The Commission) that the Commander Brigadier Hayatullah had brought some girls for entertainment in his bunker on the night of 11th & 12th December 1971 in Maqbulpur sector when enemy shells ...



It seems to me that such licentious kind of behaviour does not happen anymore in TSP. People and army is more moral and and pure.

Is this impression true?
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Over 4000 bombs seized in Karachi :-?
Karachi: Police on Saturday claimed to have recovered over 4000 bombs during a raid on a factory in Karachi.
According to police, Crime Investigation Department (CID) raided a private factory in Korangi area and found more than 4000 bombs.
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Manmohan to visit Pak once bilateral ties improve
Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, April 19, 2012
Before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh embarks on a possible one-day trip to Pakistan this Autumn, New Delhi will be looking for a credible positive development in bilateral ties with Pakistan on key outstanding issues, such as action against Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Saeed, cross-border trade
and resolution of the Sir Creek boundary dispute.

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Although India has taken note of Pakistan army chief General Ashfaq Kayani's statement, calling for resolution of Siachen (Saltoro ridge) dispute, the UPA government is not expecting huge positive leaps in bilateral ties with the trust deficit post-Kargil war still to be wiped out.

Instead, New Delhi is focusing on cross-border growth of people-to-people ties through a liberalised visa mechanism, and possible demarcation of Sir Creek in Rann of Kutch.

Top government sources said that even though President Asif Zardari's visit to India and the positive statement from Kayani were attempts to build an atmosphere of goodwill, India wants to watch the outcome of the talks at the home secretary, foreign secretary and foreign minister levels before finalising the date of Singh's visit to Islamabad.

"We need something substantive in bilateral ties to justify the PM's visit to Pakistan," said a senior government official.


New Delhi is currently trying to install a security mechanism, which would allow India to grant more visas and freedom of country-wide movement to Pakistani nationals, within the next six months.

It also plans to use technology as a means to allow Pakistani nationals free access to the country, without resorting to cumbersome red-tape procedures.

Besides this, the Centre wants Pakistan to help clamp down on the growing Indian currency rackets in India, most of which originate from the neighbouring country.
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CRamS wrote:
3. The slime balls portray US as a passive observer when the fact of the matter is that US is the colonial master calibrating TSP's continued act of war against India to secure its geo-political India containment objective
This kind of narrative is what the west has done during the cold war and when they were the super powers.
They controlled the image of India and India Pakistan for the last 50 years. This control over the image is eroding but it is a slow process. The only thing India has to do is to make its own world view away from the western view. Indians also need to know who are supporting Pakistan and what is Pakistan really doing. It is not there to be a country but to only put everything about India down.
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Zafar Hilaly rips through higher than K-2 and deeper than the Indian Ocean relations of pious Pakis with Godless chinis. Pak-China ties changing?


Today's score - 9.

Has the summer arrived in the subcontinent?

Yawn says Seven more die in Karachi

Green on green violence claims lives of 2 more Hazaras
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Pak makes fresh offer for engines, Rlys wary

http://www.samachar.com/Pak-makes-fresh ... cjegb.html

Pakistan has pitched in with a renewed and upgraded proposal to buy or take on lease about 100 rail engines from India for re-starting its defunct train services. October last year, Pakistan had initially proposed the purchase/lease of 50 train engines form India. The Indian Railways had shot down the proposal on grounds of the "corporate risk" involved, as also because of the high domestic demand for train engines in India.

Of its fleet of 520 locomotives of the Pakistan Railways (PR), only 76 were operational in the month of March 2012. Acute shortage of locomotives has forced the Pakistan Railways to suspend operations of as many as 128 passenger trains.

The fresh proposal is understood to have been made by Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari during his luncheon meeting with Indian premier Manmohan Singh at New Delhi on April 8.

Indian Railways officials are still disinclined to do business with Pakistan, unless the neighboring country provides advances commitments for simplifying Visa procedures and for providing diplomatic immunity for Indian engineers that will need to be deputed to that country as technical support staff.

The sale or lease of engines to Pakistan will imply a training aspect, as also the sourcing of a substantial supply of spares form India, including consumables like filters, oils and greases.

Pakistan needs to make advance commitments for permitting the easy flow of men, material and spares from India, sources said.

Pakistan Railways have failed to handle maintaince of train engines, either on account of financial crisis or because of the non-availability of skilled manpower.

The Chinese engines fleet available in Pakistan has gone out of service because of the reported lack of support from Chinese suppliers.


The Indian Railways has 4,214 electric and 6,000 diesel engines in its inventory. Approximately, 500 engines roll out from its two public sector manufacturing units each year, but the public transporter is still unable to meet its domestic demand of around 700 train engines annually.
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surinder wrote:

It seems to me that such licentious kind of behaviour does not happen anymore in TSP. People and army is more moral and and pure.

Is this impression true?
No. the Pakjabi jarnails are carrying on the sex-slave prisoner business in jails. They did keep girls naked in jails in '71 pre-independence BD, and they do it also in the jails and cantonments of the army placed in "strategic" locations to subdue reclacitrants - like in Balochistan. There are also accusations of keeping boys now for the same purpose a la Ala Khilji and other illustrious sultans. Nothing, absolutely nothing has changed in the Pakjabi mindset over 40 years.
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If Pakis had their way they would ask President Obama to fly to Pak-jabistan with formal apology.

April 20, 2012 NATO airstrike: Kerry to visit Pakistan with ‘formal apology

April 21, 2012 Senator Kerry not planning visit to Pakistan: Spokesperson
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brihaspati wrote:
surinder wrote:

It seems to me that such licentious kind of behaviour does not happen anymore in TSP. People and army is more moral and and pure.

Is this impression true?
No. the Pakjabi jarnails are carrying on the sex-slave prisoner business in jails. They did keep girls naked in jails in '71 pre-independence BD, and they do it also in the jails and cantonments of the army placed in "strategic" locations to subdue reclacitrants - like in Balochistan. There are also accusations of keeping boys now for the same purpose a la Ala Khilji and other illustrious sultans. Nothing, absolutely nothing has changed in the Pakjabi mindset over 40 years.
I was thinking about this licentiousness in a different context - the context of Islam. On the surface "Talibanism" (Core Islam? ) is supposed to be austere, pious, disciplined and moral. Armies are supposed to be like this. The structure of early "pure" Islam, "hot from the book" that these shitheads are trying to push is exactly like than of a marauding band of medieval fighting men on conquest. The same Islam allows those marauding men to indulge in all manner of excess after their victory. The women and men whom they defeat become property to be used. That again is straight from the book.

The book also says what to do in defeat. They have to pretend, lie low, strike deals that can be abrogated later and remain true to the cause.

But I betcha what the book does not say is what to do if defeat is continuous and relentless and that they wil never capture enough slaves to fuk to their loins' desire. Are they going to be "austere, pious, disciplined and moral" forever?

Forever is a long time. If you are an Islamic soldier at age 18 and are "austere, pious, disciplined and moral" like your one-eyed-clean-peeled banana boss tells you - you are getting painful hard-ons for 18 hours a day. How long are you going to stay without the victory that you need to enjoy some debauchery with slave wimmens? 1 year? 5 years? 20 years? Heck if you can live without real sex until age 40 you will lose your drive. So "forever" is a lousy word to use here. Islamic morality is a temporary demand until victory is achieved.

The fun comes from asking what if that victory is NEVER achieved? I think at least some of what is happening in Pakistan is the sort of society you get out of "austere, pious, disciplined and moral" islamic soldiers who never get the sex they want to much.
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Do kafirs have the same rights to plunder and pleasure if they are victorious? Just curious..
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Kanishka wrote:Do kafirs have the same rights to plunder and pleasure if they are victorious? Just curious..
Yes of course. But not in the Quran. That is why they must be opposed.
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So let me see if I have this right. India is short 200 engines a year but the Poaks want to lease engines from India? I am sure the check will be in the mail as they have no cash. And some poor kafir will have to travel to that hell hole to provide service/maintenance? How do you say hell in no in UrdU?
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shiv wrote:
Kanishka wrote:Do kafirs have the same rights to plunder and pleasure if they are victorious? Just curious..
Yes of course. But not in the Quran. That is why they must be opposed.
Thank you Shivji.
And all these days I believed that the Quran was fair.
How stupid of me.
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Dont they get prostate problems if there is no scope of victory?

maybe thats what we are seeing!
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Tarek Fatah on the Dilemma of Pakistan
You cannot grow Mangoes on Pumpkin plant. Worth watching
He rightly call Pakisant Tawaif. Djinnah was the lawyer for the Khan of Kalat and pleaded with Gora for the Independence of Baluchistan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3EHDDbt ... ure=relmfu
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Regarding licentiousness : there is a much more interesting angle to explore relevant for the entire history of Islamism right from its birth and coming right up to TSP jarnails.

In the pre-condom days of the birth of the theology, classical authors refer to the several different forms of the infection now called syphilis. Although some modern European scholars have desperately tried to shift the source outside of Europe, they have no problems in placing it outside of Europe in the frontiers of Roman empire - including the Arab no-mans land.

In fact a form specific to the peninsula is known. Now the question that has always bothered me is the wave of conquest by each Islamic kabila, and then its rapid degeneration - in their leaders sheer madness. The leaders take increasingly daft and delusional steps as they age and their harem size and "right hand possessions" increase. I mean it from a comparison of the earliest founders. Their behaviour also shows classic symptoms identified in modern psychiatry.

The psychiatric aspects of the infection are long a matter of controversy, but its spread as STD is well known even from classical times. Thus the jarnails theological excuse of rampant enjoyment of right hand possessions - likely affected their judgment as they aged, and made them do the dumbest acts, which in turn quickly unraveled their regimes. Their indiscriminate sexual hunger might also therefore be spreading the stuff around in the population which then in turn affects the next levels in Islamic hierarchy too.

This happened to the founders probably - and has happened to TSP and TSPA and their subject populations.
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ramana wrote:Dont they get prostate problems if there is no scope of victory?

maybe thats what we are seeing!
Long before that homosexuality and sex with animals becomes rampant. I wonder if male mannekins for anal sex are available in sex shops in the west like female sex dolls I have heard of but never seen. Need to Google for that. This may be a business opportunity in Pakistan. With liberalization of trade we can export sharia compliant toys for Pakistani boys.

Incidentally I wonder what is the position of sharia on mast-ur-bhashan? I mean "position" in a metaphorical sense.
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shiv wrote:Incidentally I wonder what is the position of sharia on mast-ur-bhashan?
In most fiqh of Sunni mazhabs, masturbation (istimnaa') is makrooh (disgusting - to be discouraged), but not haraam. So if you do it, it doesn't invalidate your faith, but you ought to feel ashamed that shaytaan scored a victory over you. Advice of the Prophet to young unmarried males who are too poor to get married is to fast regularly, and lower the eyes, and as soon as it becomes affordable, get a wife.

OTOH, in Shi'a fiqh, masturbation is haraam. After committing the act one must undergo purification, and re-declare one's re-conversion to Islam in public. However, Shi'a fiqh does allow mut'ah marriages and even encourages it as a healthy alternative for the unmarried or separated, where even one night stands are halaal based on payment of mehr and acknowledgment of consensual coupling by mulla and a witness. However, such mut'ah unions are not allowed in Sunni mazhabs AFAIK.
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brihaspati wrote:
In the pre-condom days of the birth of the theology, classical authors refer to the several different forms of the infection now called syphilis. Although some modern European scholars have desperately tried to shift the source outside of Europe, they have no problems in placing it outside of Europe in the frontiers of Roman empire - including the Arab no-mans land.
Brihaspati this post of yours is serendipitous. This suddenly throws new light on practices in Arab nations and their copycat chamcha states like Pakhanastan.

Those forms, called Yaws, Pinta and Bejel still exist. They are all caused by the same bacterium that causes syphilis - Treponema pallidum. Condoms won't help because bejel is spread from oral contact and even by sharing the same water container/glass/plate. Gives new meaning to the word "jootha" and the infinite wisdom of ancients in India for discouraging the sharing of utensils.

Bejel can cause neurological symptoms and the "madness" of advanced syphilis.
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Carl wrote: In most fiqh of Sunni mazhabs, masturbation (istimnaa') is makrooh (disgusting - to be discouraged), but not haraam. So if you do it, it doesn't invalidate your faith, but you ought to feel ashamed that shaytaan scored a victory over you. Advice of the Prophet to young unmarried males who are too poor to get married is to fast regularly, and lower the eyes, and as soon as it becomes affordable, get a wife.
And the only way people like Kasab can afford a wife is to loot and kill, which is OK in Islam as long as you are doing it to kafirs.

Pakis should never be given victory. They and go on and on Istimnating themselves and worrying that Shaitan khush hua. :mrgreen:

Carl wrote:OTOH, in Shi'a fiqh, masturbation is haraam. After committing the act one must undergo purification, and re-declare one's re-conversion to Islam in public. However, Shi'a fiqh does allow mut'ah marriages and even encourages it as a healthy alternative for the unmarried or separated, where even one night stands are halaal based on payment of mehr and acknowledgment of consensual coupling by mulla and a witness. However, such mut'ah unions are not allowed in Sunni mazhabs AFAIK.
See you Paki lurkers? You guys are denying yourselves of a great way of avoiding istimnation and having some crumpet by killing shias.
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shiv wrote:See you Paki lurkers? You guys are denying yourselves of a great way of avoiding istimnation and having some crumpet by killing shias.
Friend of mine from Iran was telling me how mut'ah is widely practiced in that country, and especially used for one-off encounters particularly by the mullacracy. She said that for example in the "holy cities" like Qom, which are full of seminaries churning out the priesthood, it is very common. In fact, there are even "codes" to advertize for it, and poor girls (usually migrants from villages) resort to mut'ah stints in order to support themselves. For instance, if a woman wants to advertize herself as available for mut'ah to a mulla or student mulla, she only needs to wear her chador with the seam outwards and walk into the seminary mohallas. An interesting anecdote: This girl's mother was unaware of this code. She had carelessly worn her hijaab with the seam turned outward. She sat waiting for someone on a public bench. In less than 5 minutes she was propositioned by a mulla.
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shiv wrote:[Long before that homosexuality and sex with animals becomes rampant. I wonder if male mannekins for anal sex are available in sex shops in the west like female sex dolls I have heard of but never seen. Need to Google for that. This may be a business opportunity in Pakistan. With liberalization of trade we can export sharia compliant toys for Pakistani boys.Incidentally I wonder what is the position of sharia on mast-ur-bhashan? I mean "position" in a metaphorical sense.
Naive assesment. You dont underdstand the Poaq family structure and secret.
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Jhujar wrote: Naive assesment. You dont underdstand the Poaq family structure and secret.
:D Shiv ji, read Salman Rushdie's book "Shame".
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Man looking to shoot a dog enters a Mosque where he gets his gun snatched by a Tablighi Jamaat preacher who then proceeds to shoot dead 4 of his fellow Tablighi Jamaat preachers and the Imam of the Mosque:

Five dead in Battagram shooting

Another version of the story, also reported in the Express Tribune, is that the Tableeghi Jamaat Preacher got hold of the AK-47 assault rifles of prayer leader Maulana Fazal Rehman, which was lying in the mosque’s veranda,and let loose.

How come in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which loudly proclaims that Mohammaddenism is a Religion of Peace, prayer leaders go around to places of worship toting assault rifles?:

Bloodbath in mosque: Proselytiser kills six colleagues in Battagram
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Carl wrote:
shiv wrote:See you Paki lurkers? You guys are denying yourselves of a great way of avoiding istimnation and having some crumpet by killing shias.
Friend of mine from Iran was telling me how mut'ah is widely practiced in that country, and especially used for one-off encounters particularly by the mullacracy. She said that for example in the "holy cities" like Qom, which are full of seminaries churning out the priesthood, it is very common. In fact, there are even "codes" to advertize for it, and poor girls (usually migrants from villages) resort to mut'ah stints in order to support themselves. For instance, if a woman wants to advertize herself as available for mut'ah to a mulla or student mulla, she only needs to wear her chador with the seam outwards and walk into the seminary mohallas. An interesting anecdote: This girl's mother was unaware of this code. She had carelessly worn her hijaab with the seam turned outward. She sat waiting for someone on a public bench. In less than 5 minutes she was propositioned by a mulla.
We may be veering OT here but I will try to bring it back on track. Apart from stories of abduction of Indian men by women in Saudi Arabia for sex - the men cannot admit this happens because they will be killed, there is the other "modern" think of girls dropping off slips of paper with mobile numbers in malls to initiate secret liaisons.

I write this only to mention something about human physiology - that is the "normal functions" of the human body and mind. Just because you can hold back your shit does not mean you can hold it back for years. Exactly the same is true for sexual urges. The point to be understood is that Islam per se is cognizant of this fundamental fact - i.e. the need for sex, but like all else in Islam it must be regulated. Islam is the brain-child of a control freak.

Islam does allow the sex urge to be fulfilled in some ways. In a "settled society" it would be marriage. But in the early unsettled days of Islam kidnap, conquest and rape were all allowed and are still looked upon as valid. That brings me back to Pakistan. What if you have an islamic society that does not allow the fulfillment of sexual desire at all. If young men can't get married because they cannot afford dowry. If they are trained to fight kafir but they cannot even enter kafir lands, leave alone kidnap and rape. Ultimately the situation is going to become like trying to hold back shit indefinitely. Something will give sooner or later. The shit will come out.

The Taliban (Pakistanis) are making a mistake - the mullahs - who probably get all the sex they want probably do not realise these things. To some extent they can fool some young men into thinking that sexual desires will be fulfilled in heaven - with 72 hoors. Hafeez saeed's Jamaat-ud dawa for instance is a Sunni organization. I am sure they try and arrange marriages, but what about enforcing moral code? I would be intrested in knowing the dark sexual secrets of Hafiz Saeed's Jamaat ud Dawa. You can be sure there is sleaze there. There is sex happeing. Illicit and licit. But i want to know.

Sex and that Jammat ud Dawa would be a good topic to have as a separate thread. Not only as something that gets picked up by Google bots but also as an academic exercise to figure out weak links in the JuD's so called "social work". Areas of tension that can be exploited.
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arun wrote:Man looking to shoot a dog enters a Mosque where he gets his gun snatched by a Tablighi Jamaat preacher who then proceeds to shoot dead 4 of his fellow Tablighi Jamaat preachers and the Imam of the Mosque:

Five dead in Battagram shooting
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What a load of cock-and-bull :rotfl:
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The gusto with which TSP has spilled the story of Yahya's licentiousness, his dalliance with General Rani, Tiger "Surrender" Niazi's women etc. have a Piskological element. They serve to achieve a triple purpose: On one hand it serves to explain why TSP lost, obviously if the generals had not be f***ing and drinking they would have won. This humiliating defeat would have been avoided and 92,000 would have been POW's in india.

On the other side, this also serves to emphasizes the need for purity and morality, and justifies the Zia's attempts to purify the place. This serves the army narrative to be slightly more pure (not too much, mind you, just slightly, as Zia wanted). It allows TSP state and army to distance itself from the 1971 loss, by accepting mea-cupla under the garb of accepting moral downfall. It allows them to accept and acknowledge and find an excuse at the same time.

What is the use of finding moral degradation after the defeat and surrender. It would have made far more sense for the contractors of religion (dharam ke thekedar) to publicize it before 1971. I am not sure they did.

Look at at from another angle: Just 6 years before 1971 was 1965, which TSP does not think of as a defeat. That was merely 6 years ago, we don't hear any stories of bachhanalism and debauchery from that era. Why? Surely, if there was moral degradation in 1971, it could not have been that much better in 65.

I am not sure I would take all the stories of Yahya & Niazis partying & women with too much seriousness. They are propaganda, even if they are true.
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brihaspati wrote:Regarding licentiousness : there is a much more interesting angle to explore relevant for the entire history of Islamism right from its birth and coming right up to TSP jarnails.

In the pre-condom days of the birth of the theology, classical authors refer to the several different forms of the infection now called syphilis. Although some modern European scholars have desperately tried to shift the source outside of Europe, they have no problems in placing it outside of Europe in the frontiers of Roman empire - including the Arab no-mans land.

In fact a form specific to the peninsula is known. Now the question that has always bothered me is the wave of conquest by each Islamic kabila, and then its rapid degeneration - in their leaders sheer madness. The leaders take increasingly daft and delusional steps as they age and their harem size and "right hand possessions" increase. I mean it from a comparison of the earliest founders. Their behaviour also shows classic symptoms identified in modern psychiatry.

The psychiatric aspects of the infection are long a matter of controversy, but its spread as STD is well known even from classical times. Thus the jarnails theological excuse of rampant enjoyment of right hand possessions - likely affected their judgment as they aged, and made them do the dumbest acts, which in turn quickly unraveled their regimes. Their indiscriminate sexual hunger might also therefore be spreading the stuff around in the population which then in turn affects the next levels in Islamic hierarchy too.

This happened to the founders probably - and has happened to TSP and TSPA and their subject populations.

Interesting angle. Can you give some examples of this?

Thanks,
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sanjaykumar wrote:He leaves behind, besides his wife Shahrezad Samiuddin, three beautiful minor daughters to whom he was devoted: Maya, Priya and Dina. :shock:


Colleagues’ tribute to Murtaza Razvi
http://dawn.com/2012/04/20/colleagues-t ... -razvi-fm/
Good catch! Indic names to Muslim children in Pakistan? Poor chap, had no chance! May he be born in India in his next birth.
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Yogi_G wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:He leaves behind, besides his wife Shahrezad Samiuddin, three beautiful minor daughters to whom he was devoted: Maya, Priya and Dina. :shock:


Colleagues’ tribute to Murtaza Razvi
http://dawn.com/2012/04/20/colleagues-t ... -razvi-fm/
Good catch! Indic names to Muslim children in Pakistan? Poor chap, had no chance! May he be born in India in his next birth.
Two of those names are not only Indic names, but also from other non-muslim cultures. By strange coincidence, the name Maya appears twice in my own family tree: my aunt on mom's side (I'm visiting said aunt's house for lunch in a few hours) and my grandmother on dad's side. Besides that, I know of a couple of Buddhists (one is Obama's half sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng), a Christian (Maya Angelou, well known poet) and a Jewish (Maya Bouskilla, Israeli singer).

As for Dina, I had a classmate by that name in school (Hindu, as far as I know), a Jewish lady I once worked with that really liked my sense of humor and also a Parsi lady of my acquaintance (come to think of it, Jinnah's daughter who is a Parsi is also named Dina!)

Shades of YYY conspiracy onlee. No wonder the poor chap had no chance.
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chinese railway engines are running fine in china which has some hot and humid places too.
I suspect the pakis did not pay the service contract to the suppliers and hence they slowly backed out.
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Yogi_G wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:He leaves behind, besides his wife Shahrezad Samiuddin, three beautiful minor daughters to whom he was devoted: Maya, Priya and Dina. :shock:


Colleagues’ tribute to Murtaza Razvi
http://dawn.com/2012/04/20/colleagues-t ... -razvi-fm/
Good catch! Indic names to Muslim children in Pakistan? Poor chap, had no chance! May he be born in India in his next birth.
Didnt jinnah name his own daughter Dina?
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Aman Ki Asha Newspaper The News reports that Dr. Shireen Mazari, spokesperson for foreign policy of Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) political party, is rather upset that the US State Department lauded India for having “a solid nonproliferation record”.

Setting aside the veracity of the claim, it certainly does not seem “brotherly” of a political party of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to begrudge the alleged help given by India to fellow members of “Ummah” namely Iran and Iraq.

Appears that there is a sectarian angle to this action by Imran Khan’s PTI as both Iran and Iraq have Shia Mohammadden majorities while Pakistan is a majority Sunni Mohammadden country:

Contrary to US claim India’s ‘nonproliferation record’ is highly suspect
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Pond revered by Hindus drying up in Pakistan
A pond considered sacred by Hindus abutting a 900-year-old temple complex in Pakistan is drying up after tubewells began supplying the water to a cement factory and to two villages, said a media report Sunday.

The Hindu temple at Katasraj in Punjab province is considered sacred due to a pond, which according to Hindu mythology was formed from Lord Shiva's tears.

It is also said that the Pandava brothers stayed in the temple region for four out of the 14 years they spent in exile.

Dawn reported that the sacred pond at Katasraj is drying up.

A cement factory near the temple complex has installed tubewells which have reduced the water level in the pond. The water from the pond is also being supplied to Choa Syedan Shah and Waula village as the government has failed to provide alternative facility to the residents.
MMS & cartel will be importing this cement as symbol of bhai chara
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Brad Goodman wrote:Pond revered by Hindus drying up in Pakistan
A pond considered sacred by Hindus abutting a 900-year-old temple complex in Pakistan is drying up after tubewells began supplying the water to a cement factory and to two villages, said a media report Sunday.

The Hindu temple at Katasraj in Punjab province is considered sacred due to a pond, which according to Hindu mythology was formed from Lord Shiva's tears.

It is also said that the Pandava brothers stayed in the temple region for four out of the 14 years they spent in exile.

Dawn reported that the sacred pond at Katasraj is drying up.

A cement factory near the temple complex has installed tubewells which have reduced the water level in the pond. The water from the pond is also being supplied to Choa Syedan Shah and Waula village as the government has failed to provide alternative facility to the residents.
MMS & cartel will be importing this cement as symbol of bhai chara
Brad - lots of things are drying up in Fakistan. The tank at Nankana sahib, where Guru Nanak was born is dry.

The drying of lower river waters in Pakistan started initially with the Brits building irrigation canals that converted a dry, desert like Sindh into a fertile area. But later the Pakjabis built dams - the Sukkur barrage being the foremost of them that dried up Sindh.

Because of slow flow the rivers and canals are silting up, but there are too many corrupt players who divert water and Pakistan is not a unified coherent nation. Pakis blame India and the west see this and predict "water wars" because India-Pakistan are all heathen fundoos for them.

Pakistan is in bad shape in many ways but they should be happy with desert because that is where Mohammad was born and they can live like him.
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shiv wrote:Brad - lots of things are drying up in Fakistan.
Yes it is time to use hard pointy stones to clean up their shhit. No more water! Also no soft toilet paper.

It is going to be a hard life. Like in Arabia, they should now drink camel urine, as Muhammad advised.
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I am trying a piskological trick that is like trying to scratch your backside using your left hand moving across from the front, around the right side and then on to the itch. Basically not possible and very frustrating.

What I have been doing for the past 2 days is to make up a list of things that Pakis blame India for - starting from 1947 and then trying to become Paki in my brain and see if the blame of India is justified.

The closest I can come to becoming Paki in my thoughts is to first of all be dissatisfied with the land that is called Pakistan, and wish that huge areas of India were Pakistan. Once I think that way, things become more clear. All those areas that did not become Pakistan are because of Indian perfidy, the old brahmin-bania nexus, cheating etc.

Problem is, unless I am dissatisfied with the Pakistan I got , there is virtually no genuine case against India. So Pakistan, despite being touted as a great victory in itself, is no victory at all - but only a source of endless whinery on the lines of "what could have been - if only my aunt had a di*k"

When I dig into this idea of who is satisfied and who is not, it strikes me that the people who already lived in Sindh, NWFP and Baluchistan were fairly happy to be where they were. It is the morons who came across from India - the Pakjabis and the Mohajirs who have the greatest lament about what could have been. They want to be in Pakistan also, and they want India also. That is the frustration of being Paki.

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