Go saint! Go MMS! Go Sonia!
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Katare wrote:Chako, Don't bother with logics, mullahs will always have issues with Jews!
The recent letter by General pointed out the lack of basic ammunition so it's no just the unavailability of "hanky panky stuff" which is causing pain. The purchase of these "hanky panky stuffs" don't full-fill the need of bread and butter ammo, otherwise the general wouldn't have had to write a letter to the PM.chackojoseph wrote:See, we have not reequipped our forces for nearly 3 decades due to funds shortage. Except after Op Vijay, where we did some knee jerk purchases, we haven't actually done any shopping. The 10 years have been very fruitful. For example, it was not just we purchased equipment, we purchased in near correct perspective. For example, IAF has gone through MMRCA deal with actually calculating upfront price and life cycle costs. On contrast, Army purchases suffer on account of helios and arty for hanky panky stuff and Army could not fully finish the evaluation. So, there was a rationality in purchases. Other deals are in various stages due to their own unique perspective.
This sentence shows the level of strategic blindness we suffer from and will continue to do so in the near future but going into this will only raise a lot of if's and but's so lets see for how long we remain in this state.The fact that 100 $ $ will be spent by India in 10 years has been latched on by world 10 years back. others who are waking up also know that an almost near equal amount waits next ten years.
True but after committing loads of mistakes but nevertheless some movement has definitely occurred.The shortage is on account of 3 decades of doing nothing. Contrary to popular belief, we have only benefited in past 10 years.
Quite a lot of work has gone in these years.
Several other updates contained within the link as well.
Further, eight simulators of Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) aircraft, have also been contracted for.
So only fck X and Fck Y no "Go X" and no "go Y" or jai X Y. Pretty mean innit?Sagar G wrote:By Jai X or Jai Y I meant why do jai jai kaar of individuals for doing their job, they are not doing any favour to India. Though thank god I didn't write "Jai S" while putting my point forward could have let to a "situation"
Absolutely credit should be given where and when it's due but I don't see the reason to go Jai Ho for what, spending the allocated money ??? Or the billions of $$$ going into foreign coffers because of the strategic blindness suffered by our so called "leaders" for ages. I don't see anything exceptional being done by this government which makes sure that India will have a strong MIC and to top that as each day passes we only hope that our remote control doesn't carry out a strategic blunder to get a pat on his back by the gora brotherhood. And wasn't he recently whining about India being left behind in science by China. In power since 2004 and in 2012 our Sherlock Holmes has an epiphany that we are sucking in science. What the hell was he expecting, that he would wave his PhD in parliament and lo and behold India will become a super duper scientific power ???? After all these years being in power and getting all kinds of hanky panky stuffs what do we get to hear, that we have critical shortage of even basic ammunitions. This too wouldn't have been known if the General's letter hadn't been leaked and our Saint comes out and says "The person who did this is a traitor". In office since 2006, has the powers to take critical decisions, talks about drive against corruption at the drop of a hat and what do we get to know ??? That our war reserves are critically low. I will comment on Mata Rome when she gets time from trying to settle down her munna raja.Katare wrote:So only fck X and Fck Y no "Go X" and no "go Y" or jai X Y. Pretty mean innit?
give credit where it's due and you earn your right to criticise when you see a slip/fault or whatver, is all I say.
True look for facts instead of doing Jai Ho.Rest are just mullahs, driven by idiology not facts.
The government has taken cognizance of the complaints of Indian Air Force regarding the delayed delivery of equipment by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). IAF has expressed concerns over the deliveries of some of the products of HAL. There have been delays in some projects in current range of production by HAL due to rework of Jigs supplied by the OEM in respect of Hawk; delay in establishing the facilities for complex engine components and radar software in respect of SU-30 MKI aircraft; delay in certification of Shakti engine by the OEM in respect of ALH; changes in Standard of Preparation (SOP) in respect of LCA and delay in engine development by the OEM in respect of IJT.
The government continuously monitors the performance of the company and takes steps to address the issues. In respect of Hawk, SU-30 MKI aircraft and ALH, the issues have been addressed. In respect of LCA and IJT development efforts have been intensified.
This information was given by Minister of State for Defence Dr MM Pallam Raju in a written reply to Shri Antony in Lok Sabha today.
Talks have been going on for the purpose between India and the Soviet Union for some time and India is now understood to be anxious to obtain fighter planes of comparable performance in view of the supply of F-104-g jets to Pakistan by USA.
India is now understood to be anxious to obtain fighter planes of comparable performance in view of the supply of F-104-g jets to Pakistan by USA.
That explains it. The geniuses at indrus.in didn't even notice anything odd with the mention of "Soviet Union" .pankajs wrote:Folks this item is originally from DC 50 years ago section. The other website just copied it without looking at the content else they would have realized their mistake.
Looks like the FMS deals are also covered under the offsets clause. Details about the offset's would be even more interesting.SaiK wrote:http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=18507
High Value link
MiG xy. Next lemon from Russia, after T 90zuw.shyamd wrote:Russia ready to set up Mig Plant in India
May 14, 2012
Combined reports
A defence ministry delegation is expected to leave for Moscow shortly to finalise, arrangements for the purchase of Russian Mig Supersonic Jet Fighters for the Indian Air Force.
Do you know that F-104g the article mentions was used in 65 Indo-Pak war... this seems to be a recycled article ... lolKersi D wrote:MiG xy. Next lemon from Russia, after T 90zuw.shyamd wrote:Russia ready to set up Mig Plant in India
May 14, 2012
Combined reports
A defence ministry delegation is expected to leave for Moscow shortly to finalise, arrangements for the purchase of Russian Mig Supersonic Jet Fighters for the Indian Air Force.
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PS Hope IAF has better sense than IA
hopefully the TSPA would not wind up with most of these stuff for freeAnthony Hines wrote:Lots of stuff that IA could use...
http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... |FRONTPAGE
Rs 150 cr is around $30 to 40 million US dollars. It is enough for purchases of inventory parts and ammunition for existing equipments, but not enough for major purchases of new equipments.Gaur wrote:I don't know where to put this. So..
A K Antony triples armed forces' financial powers to allow Rs 150 cr purchases
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 601225.cms
An important development when, especially when seen along with the recent power given to IA allowing it to purchase equipment for special forces.
Having said that, Rs 150 crore is still not much. Needs to be at least Rs 450-500 crore IMO.
Ideally, major purchases of new equipment should need civilian control.srai wrote:Rs 150 cr is around $30 to 40 million US dollars. It is enough for purchases of inventory parts and ammunition for existing equipments, but not enough for major purchases of new equipments.Gaur wrote:I don't know where to put this. So..
A K Antony triples armed forces' financial powers to allow Rs 150 cr purchases
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 601225.cms
An important development when, especially when seen along with the recent power given to IA allowing it to purchase equipment for special forces.
Having said that, Rs 150 crore is still not much. Needs to be at least Rs 450-500 crore IMO.
It cannot.Shrinivasan wrote:hopefully the TSPA would not wind up with most of these stuff for freeAnthony Hines wrote:Lots of stuff that IA could use...
http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... |FRONTPAGE
The IAF is inducting 139 Russian Mi-17 V-5 medium lift helicopters, for an estimated $2.4 billion. The workhorse Mi-17, which transports 26 soldiers in combat gear, or four tonnes of supplies to high altitude posts, has been in IAF service for decades, but the new-model V-5 is a vastly superior machine, with new engines, rotor blades and avionics. An IAF order for 80 Mi-17s is already being delivered, which is likely to be followed by an order for 59 more. Fifteen American CH-47 Chinook heavy lift helicopters will be bought to replace the IAF's Russian Mi-26 helicopters, of which just three to four remain serviceable. The Chinook, built by Boeing, has seen extensive combat, most recently in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IAF has evaluated the helicopter and is pleased with its avionics and power, which allows it to accurately deliver 50 fully-equipped soldiers, or a payload of 12.7 tons, on to the roof of a house or the edge of a cliff. The IAF has also completed trials for the purchase of 22 medium attack helicopters, and homed on to Boeing's AH-64 Apache.
Attack helicopters, which operate from close behind the forward troops, provide immediate fire support -- cannons, rockets and anti-tank missiles -- to soldiers that encounter the enemy, providing them a battle-winning advantage. The IAF and army have also placed a Rs 7,000-crore order for 159 Dhruv Mark III utility helicopters. These have been designed and built by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, which builds 36 Dhruvs each year. There is an estimated need for more than 350 Dhruvs for the Army, IAF, coast guard and paramilitary forces. The Navy is buying an additional 50 light, twin-engine helicopters, most probably from AgustaWestland. The Dhruv does not meet its needs since its composite rotors cannot be folded up for stowing the helicopter in a warship's tight confines. In addition, the navy is procuring another 91 medium, multi-role helicopters to replace its vintage Sea King fleet, which flies from larger frigates and destroyers. A global tender is out for 16 helicopters, to which another 75 have been added. Riding on the Dhruv's success is HAL's Rudra, a heavily armed version of the Dhruv, which carries a cannon, rocket pods, anti-tank missiles and a full suite of electronic warfare equipment. The army and the air force will buy 76 Rudras.AL is also developing the Light Combat Helicopter, of which 179 are on order (IAF 65; army 114).
This 5.5-ton light armed helicopter features the Shakti engine, the Dhruv's dynamic components (main rotor, tail rotor, and the gearbox), and the weapons suite that is being developed on the Rudra. The LCH will be a high altitude virtuoso: taking off from Himalayan altitudes of 10,000 feet, firing guns and rockets up to 16,300 feet, and launching missiles at UAVs flying at over 21,000 feet. The military's other bulk requirement is for 384 light utility helicopters, or LUH's, to replace the army and IAF's obsolescent Cheetahs and Chetaks.
This has been divided into two streams: 197 LuHs are being bought off-the-shelf through a global tender; and 187 LuHs are being developed and built in India by HAL.