Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 May 2012 11:55

Vipul wrote:In the supposed to be strict Visa regime we have seen this and this. Now under the barbaadi ka tamasha, we will have this

The news report clearly mentions that the Pakistanis gave nothing away with respect to the Mumbai 26/11 suspects and it was able to get India to grant this (almost unilateral) concession.
Why am i surprised? After all Mera Bharat Mahaan Onlee!!!!

What might happen is the RAPEs who are most vocal in demanding liberal visa regime will come to India more frequently and try to get into the mainstream here. What I mean is they will start adding noise to our internal issues. You can expect articles in our mainstream media by RAPEs on issues like Gujarat riots, imaginary minority oppression, maoists etc. They will align themselves with so called "activists" like Teesta, Shabnam Hashmi et al. They will be given a platform for propaganda. I hope I am proven wrong.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 25 May 2012 12:04

hnair wrote:
Anujan wrote:I can bet my left testimonial that the good Hakeem did not know why he was collecting blood samples.
He must have had no idea what hit him, until some khaki-pasands inside khan's own apparatus sold him out by that revelation about blood-tests. That leak was totally unnecessary from a PR point of view, as khan public was not even interested in knowing more about what bagged bin laden. Unless it is to create a patsy. That hakeem must have thought this is some rich NGO, that wanted these samples. Probably even hankered for the job, considering the moneybags that some of these health-industry NGOs wield.

And now the khaki-patriots in 'Pindi made sure the hakeem does his patriotic duty of protecting the army. They would have negotiated with khan for a hafta behind scenes, if this guy was valuable to khan.

internecine strife withing US departments dealing with TSP? Surely there are chaddi buddies that empathize with TSP cause. The hakim's name is something that Pakis would have wanted and someone with US establishment classified him as a "expendable" .

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 May 2012 12:07

"Musharraf murdered my mother: Bilawal Bhutto sings to CNN" from india today.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bena ... 97432.html

"I am confident Pakistani government will provide me with the adequate security, unlike the government at the time that sabotaged my mother's security in Pakistan," Bilawal said.

He's got less IQ than our own clown prince if he truly believes that...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 25 May 2012 12:11

partha wrote:I hope I am proven wrong.

Actually it is good if it turns out that way. When you mix drinking water with sewage, what remains is sewage, not water. Their very pakiness would destroy the credibility of those that associate themselves with them.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 May 2012 12:19

Unfortunately, given the lack of different points of view in Indian Media. Sewage mixed with Sewage packaged as Drinking water, is considered as Aquafina, Kinley or equivalent by most of the Indian public.

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 May 2012 12:26

I remember how Adnan Sami was invited to one of the night bulletins on a news channel where he claimed to be a Mumbaikar. Not Indian but Mumbaikar it seems. Doesn't even have an Indian passport.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 25 May 2012 12:32

Aditya_V wrote:
Side effect: after proper coverage in Paki Urdu papers, the faith of the Faithful in Doctors will plumment to all time low which can have health consequences.

Wouldn't that be great! I hope they can live the life of the 7th century! Lack of faith in Doctors may produce a stabilization in the population growth problem of TSP.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 25 May 2012 12:48

ramana wrote: Sindh cannot be divided ever

PML-N Quaid Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif is the only leader of a national party, who has been categorical about how the PML-N considers division of Sindh equivalent to treason and how Pakistan's territorial integrity is linked to Sindh's borders not being tampered with

Those who entered Sindh pre-Raja Dahir, post-Mohammad bin Qasim and post-1947 cannot be divided into bands of new and old Sindhis. It’s unheard of in the world to have separate provinces for immigrants, since by their very definition immigrants migrate to make their new homeland their home and not to carve it out into a separate home.

Poetic justice for the vocal Mohammedans of 1947, who left their generational mixed societies in Northern India on the pretext that it was impossible to live with non-Muslims and opted for lands that were foreign to them as a haven for Muslims of the subcontinent. In a perverse way, it is interesting to see their 'safe haven' of Islam is not very safe to their very existence, whereas the Muslims who stayed behind in India have been able to prosper and thrive.

Somehow for Mian Nawaz Sharif and the Pakistanis, the acts of these Mohammedans leading to the partition of India and moving over to alien lands did not constitute treason against India!

I hope these guys find their true paradise.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 25 May 2012 13:04

Paki Mindset on Display

Watch the first 4 minutes of Pakis standard operating procedure of non-state actors, plausible deniability etc. Now it is happening internally! I am struck at how ingrained and widely accepted this concept is within the Pakis!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 May 2012 16:29

ramana wrote:
Jhujar wrote:http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... vided-ever
Sindh cannot be divided ever
SSridhar, Can you critique this in your pak watch blog?

Point out how immigrants who convert got Pakistan!!!

Will do. Currently working on Siachen after coming across a few posts.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 May 2012 16:44

RCase wrote:Paki Mindset on Display

Watch the first 4 minutes of Pakis standard operating procedure of non-state actors, plausible deniability etc. Now it is happening internally! I am struck at how ingrained and widely accepted this concept is within the Pakis!

was watching a documentary on the descendants of the nazi senior leadership and how they are trying to reconcile their family histories - in one, a man was recounting how his older sister (who remained a nazi sympathiser) was saying "we worked out that for 6m jews to have been gassed, it meant that there was 1 jew being gassed every 1.6 seconds, therefore it just could not be true and its all a lie"

the paquis are pretty much in the same boat as far as i can tell

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 25 May 2012 18:37

Ispahani's membership of Parliament suspended by Pak SC

A three-judge bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry issued the order suspending Ispahani's membership of the National Assembly or lower house of Parliament while hearing a petition challenging the dual nationality of several lawmakers, including Interior Minister Rehman Malik.

Rehman Malik was/is furriner?

Interior Minister Malik's counsel sought more time to present a certificate that he had renounced his British citizenship.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 May 2012 20:37

Re-imagining Pakistan

The provincial assembly of Punjab, the largest province in Pakistan, recently passed a resolution calling for the creation of a new province — South Punjab — and restoring the provincial status of Bahawalpur. This will effectively divide Punjab into three parts: North and Central Punjab, South Punjab and Bahawalpur. Although the assembly, which is dominated by the Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N), passed the resolution, the idea was initially broached by the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), especially prime minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, who is from South Punjab.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 May 2012 20:39

Diamonds from Surat to glitter in Pakistan

SURAT: The glittering gems cut and polished in the world's biggest diamond cutting and polishing centre in Surat are soon going to become the best friends of the Pakistani consumers.

For the first time, a high level delegation from the Indian gems and jewellery industry led by the Gems and Jewellery Export Promotion Council (GJEPC) will cross the Wagah border to participate in the Pakistan International Gems and Jewellery Exhibition, a four-day show organised by Pakistan Gems and Jewellery Development Company (PGJDC) in Karachi starting June 7.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 May 2012 20:43

US lawmakers call Pakistan 'terrorist state', 'schizophrenic ally'

And ... why is desi lawmakers being lawn mowers to the US lawmakers?

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 May 2012 20:48

arun wrote:
arun wrote:At first glance a run of the mill case of Green on Green violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan with the “less pure”, notwithstanding his status of being a Mohammadden Cleric, being taken out by his “more pure” co-religionists:

Ulema to protest cleric’s killing on 8th

The interesting twist in this story is that this may be a case of Green on Green violence pitting un-uniformed Jihadi’s against Uniformed Jihadi’s of the ISI / ISID.

Maulana Sami Ul Haq, aka Sammy Sandwich so nicknamed after being photographed in an inventive position with several bedmates; has alleged that the terminated Cleric Maulana Naseeb Khan Wazir who was also affiliated to the terrorist breeding Mohammadden seminary, the Darul Uloom Haqqania in Akora Khattak, was arrested by “officials of a spy agency”:

JUI-S chief threatens province-wide protests
In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan yet more accusations of the complicity of “State Actors” in killing of Mohammadden Cleric Maulana Naseeb Khan.

Express Tribune quotes Maulana Rahatullah Darwaish as saying this:

“What can we expect from a government that has failed to protect the lives of our religious scholars? In the past, we have witnessed the cold-blooded murders of Maulana Hassan Jan, Mufti Nizamuddin Shamozai, Maulana Noor Mohammad, Maulana Naseem Khan and now his son Maulana Naseeb Khan has been killed. How can a person be arrested by law enforcement agencies without a warrant or FIR registered against him and then be killed?”
Express Tibune also reports that the terrorist spawning Mohammadden seminary, the Darul Uloom Haqania at Akora Khattak has issued a statement blaming “State Actors” for the killing :

A statement issued by the seminary following his disappearance had alleged that secret agencies had picked up Maulana Naseeb when he was on his way to Kohat for a protest.
Read it all:

Darul Uloom Haqqania cleric: Hundreds protest against Maulana Naseeb’s murder

Father of the Taliban”, Chairman of the India Hating Difa-e-Pakistan Council and leader of his own faction of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam ( ie: JUI-S); Mohammadden Cleric Sami Ul Haq aka Sandwich Sammy for being photographed in an inventive position with several bedmates, seems to be facing some strife.

Yesterday Mohammadden Cleric Maulana Syed Mohammad Yousaf Shah, one of the leaders of the JUI-S escaped an assassination attempt:

Targeted: Car destroyed, JUI-S leader escapes unhurt in bomb attack

Today, the day of the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday saw Sammy Sandwich’s son Maulana Hamid Ul Haq who is also a Mohammadden Cleric escape a bomb explosion that took place just outside the “Taliban University” at Darul Uloom Haqqania in Akora Khattak.:

Samiul Haq’s son survives life attempt

What is it that drives adherents of the Mohammadden religion in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to seek to kill Mohammadden Clerics on the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday

............. Unless of course this is an act carried out by very few Non-Mohammadden Kaafir Dhimmis who have managed to survive in the Islamic Republic

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 25 May 2012 21:36

Same CJP had no problem with Shaukat Aziz being PM and took no note of his alleged US citizenship.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 May 2012 21:43

SaiK wrote:US lawmakers call Pakistan 'terrorist state', 'schizophrenic ally'

And ... why is desi lawmakers being lawn mowers to the US lawmakers?

Doesn't the President have a veto power to overrule the cut in aid and brush aside these remarks and continue with Pakistan as if nothing has happened ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 May 2012 21:54

arun wrote:Targeted: Car destroyed, JUI-S leader escapes unhurt in bomb attack

Today, the day of the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday saw Sammy Sandwich’s son Maulana Hamid Ul Haq who is also a Mohammadden Cleric escape a bomb explosion that took place just outside the “Taliban University” at Darul Uloom Haqqania in Akora Khattak.:

Samiul Haq’s son survives life attempt

What is it that drives adherents of the Mohammadden religion in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to seek to kill Mohammadden Clerics on the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday ............. Unless of course this is an act carried out by very few Non-Mohammadden Kaafir Dhimmis who have managed to survive in the Islamic Republic

The irony is that Sandwich Sammy is an even more ardent and fanatic supporter of the Taliban than Fazl-ur-Rehman. Sammy had escaped the wrath of the more pious even after Fazl-ur-Rehman became wajib-ul-qitl two years back. But, Karma came back in full circle. One by one, all creators and supporters of the Taliban are being eliminated (or attempt to be eliminated). Col. Imam went. Both Fazl & Sammy have not much time left.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 May 2012 21:56

SSridhar wrote:
SaiK wrote:US lawmakers call Pakistan 'terrorist state', 'schizophrenic ally'

And ... why is desi lawmakers being lawn mowers to the US lawmakers?
Doesn't the President have a veto power to overrule the cut in aid and brush aside these remarks and continue with Pakistan as if nothing has happened ?

US Congress is responsible for budgetary outlays.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 May 2012 22:14

What is Meant by Muhajir Term???Marvi Memon
Issue of Scorpian Sooba in Snakestan.

[youtube]qviYoJ3n0JM&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 May 2012 23:10

Pakistan, India vow joint terror fight
http://dawn.com/2012/05/25/pakistan-ind ... ror-fight/

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and India on Friday pledged to fight terrorism together, calling it “a continuing threat to peace and security” and a block to the full establishment of normal relations.The announcement came after two-day talks between the home and interior secretaries of the two countries at the Pakistani tourist resort of Bhurban.The talks were led by the interior secretary of Pakistan, Siddiq Akbar, and the home secretary of India, Raj Kumar Singh, and included security experts from both countries.“Both sides agreed that terrorism poses a continuing threat to peace and security and full normalisation of bilateral relations,” said a joint statement.“They reiterated the firm and undiluted commitment of the two countries to fight and eliminate this scourge in all its forms and manifestations and bring those responsible for such crimes to justice,” it added.The neighbouring countries also agreed to enhance cooperation on terrorism, human trafficking, narcotics, counterfeit currency and cyber crime.Relations between India and Pakistan, which have fought three wars since the subcontinent was partitioned in 1947, have been plagued by border disputes, and accusations of Pakistani militant activity against India.Pakistan “agreed in principle” to host a judicial commission from India to look at the investigation into the 2008 Mumbai attacks, in which 166 people died.India blames Pakistani militants from the Lashkar-e-Taiba group for training, equipping and financing the attack with support from “elements” in the Pakistani military.Meanwhile, the Indian secretary assured Pakistan of taking stern action against any ‘Indian miscreants’ if found involved in Balochistan unrest after his Pakistani counterpart handed over evidences to him, DawnNews reported.Moreover, the Indian secretary said that they had also briefed the Pakistani delegation on the progress in the Samjhota Express investigations.Singh said that a chalan has been submitted in the court and three arrests had also been made in this regard.The Indian secretary declared the talks fruitful, and said it has brought the two countries closer.Singh also extended an offer to visit India to Pakistan’s secretary, which was duly accepted

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 25 May 2012 23:13

Denial of visas to Pakis will strengthen the hands of extremists
In hinduon ki zehniyat hi aisi hai. The evil kaffir baniyas cannot see piouslanders amidst themselves. This proves the two nation theory

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 May 2012 23:21

Mushy praising himself; Americans are ignorants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7_iI_5p ... ded#t=307s

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 26 May 2012 00:24

Brad Goodman wrote:Diamonds from Surat to glitter in Pakistan

SURAT: The glittering gems cut and polished in the world's biggest diamond cutting and polishing centre in Surat are soon going to become the best friends of the Pakistani consumers.

For the first time, a high level delegation from the Indian gems and jewellery industry led by the Gems and Jewellery Export Promotion Council (GJEPC) will cross the Wagah border to participate in the Pakistan International Gems and Jewellery Exhibition, a four-day show organised by Pakistan Gems and Jewellery Development Company (PGJDC) in Karachi starting June 7.

What bets a large % of Inventory will be stolen in the Land of the Spiritually Pure.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 26 May 2012 00:55

pgbhat wrote:Ispahani's membership of Parliament suspended by Pak SC
A three-judge bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry issued the order suspending Ispahani's membership of the National Assembly or lower house of Parliament while hearing a petition challenging the dual nationality of several lawmakers, including Interior Minister Rehman Malik.
Rehman Malik was/is furriner?
Interior Minister Malik's counsel sought more time to present a certificate that he had renounced his British citizenship.

The Brown-Sahib structure.

In India too we crossed the 1stage where the children of political leadership having foreign citizenships. The next step will be politicians with GC like provisions. The third step will be current Paki state where leadership holding foreign passports. Final step will be importing the sons/daughters with foreign passports when a leader dies (pakis are almost here).

With the 2G group firmly in place the entire sub-continent is moving in this direction.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 May 2012 03:32

Aditya_V wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Diamonds from Surat to glitter in Pakistan

SURAT: The glittering gems cut and polished in the world's biggest diamond cutting and polishing centre in Surat are soon going to become the best friends of the Pakistani consumers.

For the first time, a high level delegation from the Indian gems and jewellery industry led by the Gems and Jewellery Export Promotion Council (GJEPC) will cross the Wagah border to participate in the Pakistan International Gems and Jewellery Exhibition, a four-day show organised by Pakistan Gems and Jewellery Development Company (PGJDC) in Karachi starting June 7.

What bets a large % of Inventory will be stolen in the Land of the Spiritually Pure.

http://dawn.com/2012/02/13/indian-expo- ... -necklace/

Two persons allegedly stole a diamond necklace worth Rs700,000 from an Indian jewellery stall at Johar Town Expo Centre on Sunday.

The theft took place during the first Indian trade exhibition in Pakistan. It was the second day of the event.

Nawab Town circle ASP Jehanzeb Khan told Dawn that the staff of ND Diamonds alerted the police about the missing of a diamond necklace around 7:30pm. He said the necklace was apparently taken away by two swindlers as one of them, a young woman, fell near the stall and fraudulently behaved as if she was unconscious.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 26 May 2012 05:03

Brad Goodman wrote:Diamonds from Surat to glitter in Pakistan

cross the Wagah border to participate in the Pakistan International Gems and Jewellery Exhibition, a four-day show organised by Pakistan Gems and Jewellery Development Company (PGJDC) in Karachi starting June 7.

Can't help but wonder why these people used Wagah. This crossing point Wagah is on puki side and Indian side is Attari. The profile of this border crossing goes up with each highly publicized visit. Genuine reasons like being in Delhi for visa just before leaving, no direct flights from Mumbai to Krachi or similar stuff cannot be ruled out.
Or maybe all the raw agints get together for briefing in Delhi before the mission.
But wagah, wagah, wagah is too much wah, wah, wah.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 May 2012 06:01

Jubb Massa Gussa Hotta hai, Tho Dard sa Mush mei Hota Hai

At the Chicago Summit
Me Azz Ni azzi

It almost appeared as if the summit was an occasion for the US President, much like a mafia don, to receive allies and let them kiss his hand. President Barack Obama may not belong to an ethnicity that has the mafia in the background, but since he belongs to Chicago, which has a Mafioso tradition personified in Al Capone, and since the summit was held there, the element was strong, particularly as he is up for re-election at the end of the current year. However, the summit did not deliver enough, except for symbolism that had not only Nato members, but also such non-members as were counted as US allies, present.First, the USA wants the country settled in a way that the best interests of its corporations, especially oil companies, are protected. That implies that if the Taliban are to make a comeback, they have to be part of an arrangement in which American paramountcy remains, as now, unquestioned. Towards this end, the army and police remain important tools. Thus, they are to be dominated by Hazaras, and while Pashtuns are not allowed to exert their majority anywhere, they are particularly stopped here. This is another area where American arrogance is on show. The USA does not want anyone to have a majority in Afghanistan, so it denies that the Pashtuns do. Therefore, any solution it constructs on this assumption is bound to be neither lasting nor stable.This brings up another impossible goal that the USA set itself: finding an Afghan solution excluding Pakistan. This involved it in even more trouble, for it could have easily precluded the factor that is bound to create trouble for it: India. The USA, in its desire to pander to India’s posturing, gave it a role in a country where it had had none. India’s anxiety to please the USA, and to expand its footprint in the region, may be rooted in its desire to prove that it could be the regional counterweight against China the USA wants, but it was unwise. Wise or unwise, the US was left carrying the bag.That all made Pakistan loom large at the conference, and the question of whether it would allow the Nato supplies to pass through its territory also loomed large, not so much because the members were finding the Northern Distribution Network (NDN) expensive, as because Pakistan’s swallowing of the Salala massacre would show how completely it was in the American pocket.
More so, it should make the USA understand that its not apologising also worked to its benefit in the summit, by showing its other satrapies how firm the USA was, but it was over, and there was more than enough time before the November election for Obama to live down even the most abject apology.The Chicago Summit made Nato resemble nothing so much as the Delian League, which Athens used to fight against Sparta 2400 years ago, and which consisted of those Greek city-states that were opposed to Sparta (which had its own Peloponnesian League), or allied to Athens

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 26 May 2012 09:20

NDTV Video - Indo-Pak bonhomie: Is there any substance?

Nice program! Manish and K. C. have adequately clarified our position on Siachen (All BRF jingos can breathe a sigh of relief now). Its a low hanging fruit if and only if the Pakis authenticate the AGPL.

I agree with K. C. that TSPA wants to see some movement on Siachen before there is progress on any other track. Thanks Rehman Malik, its only because of your idiocy that Indians have been saved from Paki hordes flocking to India.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 26 May 2012 09:37

I happened to hire a cab with a driver of Paki origin in NYC the other day. It was a very funny encounter, I though I should share it. My intention is to record the nature of Pakis living in US (the guy was probably in his 40s).

Disclaimer - I do not believe that the following represents Islamic practices in anyway and this is most probably distortion by the Pakis. It is not my intention to attribute certain things to Islam or to compare it with any other religion, I'm only going to write what the Paki said.

=> The Paki started by talking about how Indian and Pakistani culture is the same.

=> The Paki said that India is progressing very fast but even if it grew at 10%, Indians will never achieve inner peace because the "baniya" character of Indian culture will not allow Indians to spend it.

=> The Paki criticized the west for the propaganda of human evolution from ape. He insisted that it was Allah who made Adam using matti (wet sand) with his own hands.

=> The Paki didn't believe in the importance of science and said that today's children are misguided by being forced to learn modern science in their impressionable years and not giving equal importance to the worship of Allah.

=> The Paki said in Islam, women are like soldiers who should prepare for the arrival of their husband every night by taking a bath, decorating herself with makeup etc. and then serving their husband like a soldier on the border. If she doesn't do this, he might seek out other woman and she'll be equally responsible for this sin.

=> The Paki was sure that Allah has never harmed the humans but he asserted that Allah doesn't like gays and because of the increase in the # of gays on earth, Allah will strike soon to clean up the "filth".

=> The Paki said why are you guys doing research since there is nothing else to discover, Pakistan has done the ultimate research and has developed Nuclear capability that can destroy everything.

=> The Paki said that he believed all humans are equal since they are creations of the same God but Hindus will not get equal enlightenment because they worship idols. He further explained his thesis by saying that the amount of light you directly receive from the sun will always be greater than the amount of light you receive that has been reflected by a mirror.

=> The Paki talked about how Allah has only on friend - Ibrahim, who destroyed idols.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 26 May 2012 10:26

^^ what else can you comment on musings of coward + idiotic mind with IQ sub 50 ! pagalon ki kamin nani hai ghalib ek dhondho hazar milenge. To me islam is a cult not religion.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 May 2012 10:44

Roperia wrote:I happened to hire a cab with a driver of Paki origin in NYC the other day. It was a very funny encounter, I though I should share it. My intention is to record the nature of Pakis living in US (the guy was probably in his 40s).

=> The Paki said why are you guys doing research since there is nothing else to discover, Pakistan has done the ultimate research and has developed Nuclear capability that can destroy everything.

This is very critical since this is what they believe in the end of history and the judgement day. But this same thought has been discussed by Pakis with others in the world including the evangelists. They have the same end of history scenario.

Check what different age groups in Pak hold the same views. The younger gen may have a different views. But the ones who remember 1971 and have seen the defeat are the ones with the most religious zeal. All other born after that have some modern views.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 26 May 2012 11:15

Roperia wrote:I happened to hire a cab with a driver of Paki origin in NYC the other day. It was a very funny encounter, I though I should share it. My intention is to record the nature of Pakis living in US (the guy was probably in his 40s).

Disclaimer - I do not believe that the following represents Islamic practices in anyway and this is most probably distortion by the Pakis. It is not my intention to attribute certain things to Islam or to compare it with any other religion, I'm only going to write what the Paki said.

=> The Paki started by talking about how Indian and Pakistani culture is the same.

=> The Paki said that India is progressing very fast but even if it grew at 10%, Indians will never achieve inner peace because the "baniya" character of Indian culture will not allow Indians to spend it.

=> The Paki criticized the west for the propaganda of human evolution from ape. He insisted that it was Allah who made Adam using matti (wet sand) with his own hands.

=> The Paki didn't believe in the importance of science and said that today's children are misguided by being forced to learn modern science in their impressionable years and not giving equal importance to the worship of Allah.

=> The Paki said in Islam, women are like soldiers who should prepare for the arrival of their husband every night by taking a bath, decorating herself with makeup etc. and then serving their husband like a soldier on the border. If she doesn't do this, he might seek out other woman and she'll be equally responsible for this sin.

=> The Paki was sure that Allah has never harmed the humans but he asserted that Allah doesn't like gays and because of the increase in the # of gays on earth, Allah will strike soon to clean up the "filth".

=> The Paki said why are you guys doing research since there is nothing else to discover, Pakistan has done the ultimate research and has developed Nuclear capability that can destroy everything.

=> The Paki said that he believed all humans are equal since they are creations of the same God but Hindus will not get equal enlightenment because they worship idols. He further explained his thesis by saying that the amount of light you directly receive from the sun will always be greater than the amount of light you receive that has been reflected by a mirror.

=> The Paki talked about how Allah has only on friend - Ibrahim, who destroyed idols.

Well he is now located in US.Interesting times for America ahead.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 26 May 2012 11:18

It would be most interesting to pose as Pakis. A friend had the opportunity in 1975 when he was in Iraq and bumped into some Pakis. Got invited for drinks and heard how they were aware of having being thrashed by India in 1971. He had the advantage of being born in Rawalpindi before 1947 and could easily play the game.
I had a breakfast with a Paki "businessman" in a Moscow hotel. I did not believe him then when he explained how he was trying to export jewellery and machine parts from Krachi. Saw him a few more time hanging around the hotel lobby during my 3 weeks stay. He looked particularly interested in Indians (all were present in the hotel on work related to research programs with the Russians). ISI was the thought I had all the time. He did not touch upon any of these pious topics (it was pre 9/11). Was quite skewlar in his approach. Discussed food/drinks/Moscow girls etc. Volunteered information on areas to find electronics items and games/Software CDs.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 26 May 2012 13:52

Third U.S. drone strike in week 'kills four militants' in North Waziristan

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 26 May 2012 14:20

Pakistan is turning into another Afghanistan

“The future of Karachi is the future of Pakistan. You get Karachi right, you can get Pakistan right. If you fail Karachi, you fail Pakistan.”

A failed Pakistan would threaten the stability of Afghanistan and the entire region. As a paper commissioned in 2008 by Gen. David Petraeus, head of the U.S. Central Command, put it: “The U.S. has no vital national interests in Afghanistan. Our vital national interests are in nuclear Pakistan.”

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 26 May 2012 14:26

What Holbrooke Would Do About Pakistan

Richard Holbrooke, the late diplomat, would never have let relations between the United States and Pakistan decline to this level, his widow, Kati Marton, said on Friday. “The day after [Osama] bin Laden was killed, Richard would have been on a plane to Pakistan, and he would not have come home until the relationship was mended,” Marton, an author and journalist, told National Journal. “We never went for a walk in Central Park without calls coming in from Pakistan.”

“It is a failure of diplomacy of the highest order, where we have had the lives of our people at stake,” Zalmay Khalilzad, the former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan and the United Nations, told NJ for the cover story in this week’s issue, “Paralyzed by Pakistan.” In order to keep the Pakistanis even marginally cooperative, Khalilzad said, “I think frankly we have been too cautious and willing to pay too high a price.”

“The Americans are completely paralyzed by this situation,” said one European diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity. A senior NATO official also laid the problem on the Americans. “It’s quite difficult at times to find a single U.S. policy on Pakistan, much less coordination with others.”

U.S. and NATO officials remain hesitant about offending Islamabad because of a bedrock fear that, if Pakistan becomes destabilized, its nuclear arsenal could fall into the wrong hands. That caution ruled at the recent NATO summit in Chicago, where all the talk was simply about getting the Pakistanis to permit NATO the use of its overland routes in order to expedite the pullout.

Despite the rampant anti-Americanism in Pakistan, Khalilzad and other critics suggest that one alternative is to issue a “demarche” of the kind the Pakistanis have not been given since right after 9/11, when then-President Pervez Musharraf was delivered a stark choice: Support the war against the Taliban totally, or you’re through. Now Pakistan should be confronted with a clear and harsh update of that choice: confront the international community and be turned into a sanctioned pariah, like Iran, in which case the country will lose ground economically and militarily to its arch-rival India. Or, embrace fully anti-Taliban measures and be rewarded with more economic assistance, such as Clinton’s New Silk Road, which seeks to turn the region into a commercial hub once again.

“We have to be willing to escalate the pressure, which in my view has to include Pakistan’s very difficult economic circumstances,” says Khalilzad. “Today I think the Pakistanis can cover only about 10 weeks of imports. We also need to move diplomatically by engaging some key countries they rely on, like China and Saudi Arabia.”

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 May 2012 17:41

Kanishka wrote:Pakistan is turning into another Afghanistan

“The future of Karachi is the future of Pakistan. You get Karachi right, you can get Pakistan right. If you fail Karachi, you fail Pakistan.”

Who's the "you" supposed to be? Me? Canadians Martians?

What is the nuclear armed army doing?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 May 2012 17:43

Pakistan and India start new era of trade cooperation with a beer

Murree Brewery, a Pakistani beer company, will soon start selling its lager in India, in hopes of building trade ties between the archrival countries. In 2001, only 1% of India’s trade was with Pakistan.

Even though Murree has tripled production since 1995, many Pakistanis turn their noses up at the company's offerings, which also includes gin, vodka and a prize-winning 21-year-old single malt whisky.

"We regard it as an insult to serve Murree to guests," said one of Islamabad's politicos during a recent gathering – lubricated with Carlsberg and Johnny Walker Black Label.

Unfortunately, the prized western imports are increasingly hard to come by. Bootleggers say the six-month ban on Nato supplies has led to soaring prices as much of Pakistan's black market supplies come from consignments intended for embassies in Kabul.

so pakis are stealing beer from Nato containers