Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

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AOA

From the news article, sad travesty of a messed nation going further down the toilet bowl (counter-clockwise) as time passes it by.
since a criminal case had been registered against the owner of the Bhoja Airline, the insurance company might stop the payment of compensation to the relatives of the victims.
Pakistan does not have the capacity to conduct inquiry into the technical faults in the plane due to which team of the Boeing Company came and gave a clean chit to the plane just like they did on the occasion of the Airblue plane crash.
I have been a part of at least 20 airplane crash investigations :shock: and can say that it is not easy to detect fault in the planes after they crash
Interests of the victims’ relatives should be ensured as most of them could not get succession certificates from the courts. :((
AoA indeed. Especially when the dead are actually "Allah ko Pyaarey ho gaye". So where is the issue of compensation? Isnt being next to god compensation enough?
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abhijitm wrote:a paki trying to revive the economy...
UK denies import of heroin and wedding gowns from pakistan
The UK Border Agency has arrested a Pakistani after customs officers at Heathrow Airport found two kilogrammes of heroin hidden in a wedding dress, on a flight from Karachi.
In paki bijness parlance, that's value-added services.
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Meed Ki Ummeed,Panetta's Pinata

Panetta, in Afghanistan, Lashes Out at Pakistan
Fresh off his visit to India, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta arrived in Kabul on Thursday, where he lambasted the Pakistani government for refusing to go after the insurgents operating from the country’s tribal areas. The secretary’s comments come on top of the failure to agree on a deal to re-open transit routes between Pakistan and Afghanistan, as well as America’s refusal to halt its drone program within Pakistan’s borders.Reuters has quotes from Panetta’s address:
‘It is difficult to achieve peace in Afghanistan as long as there is safe haven for terrorists in Pakistan.’. . .
‘It is very important for Pakistan to take steps. It is an increasing concern, the issue of safe haven, and we are reaching the limits of our patience.’ . . .‘It is an increasing concern that safe havens exist and those like the Haqqanis make use of that to attack our forces.’ . . .‘We are reaching the limits of our patience for that reason. It is extremely important for Pakistan to take action to prevent (giving) the Haqqanis safe havens, and for terrorists to use their country as a safety net to conduct attacks on our forces.’
As relations between the nominal allies continue to sour, it appears from Panetta’s remarks that the United States is edging closer to a decisive change in its partnership with Pakistan. Like his predecessor, Barack Obama has failed to get the real cooperation from Pakistan necessary to wind down the Afghanistan war, and the administration has begun looking elsewhere (including to Pakistan’s arch enemy, India) for assistance.
The Pakistanis are clearly betting that the US administration is flapping its jaws while preparing to fold; but something else may be at work. US overtures to India about supporting a larger Indian role in Afghanistan combined with recent signs that both Russia and China are concerned about what happens to Afghanistan when NATO goes home suggest a broad international coalition exists that might oppose Pakistan’s blueprint for the future of its neighbor.As the US steps down in Afghanistan, it is certainly hoping that India will stand up. Could the US be about to invite Russia back into Afghanistan as part of the plan to keep the Taliban out? Russia, China, India and Iran all hate the thought of what Pakistan wants to do in Afghanistan. Can this bond of common interests form a coalition that with help from the United States prevent the radicals and terrorists from repeating the Taliban’s original victory in Afghanistan
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Colbert:
We have a complicated relationship with Pakistan. A love hate relationship. They love to hate us and we hate that we have to love them.
:)
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partha wrote:
Colbert:
We have a complicated relationship with Pakistan. A love hate relationship. They love to hate us and we hate that we have to love them.
:)
So the tube light Sammy uncle is realising that he is infact an addict to Pakistan.
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Dilbu wrote:IED Mubarak. Blast kills 14 in northwest Pakistan
Must be Fri-din. More green on green action (this time in Quetta): Madrassa bombing kills 15 in Quetta
* 48 injured in remote-controlled blast outside Jamia Islamia Miftahul Uloom
* Five children among dead
* Graduation ceremony was taking place when bomb went off
A certificate-awarding ceremony was taking place when the bombing occurred, the DIG said. He said that the bicycle was loaded with floral garlands and police personnel outside the seminary thought it had been brought there for students who would get certificates.
Graduation ceremony?
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I don't think any of the fundamental dynamics have changed.

There are jihadis all over the world whose number one priority is to fight America and kill Americans.

America's number one priority is to prevent them from attacking the US homeland.

The Pakistan Army needs both the jihadis and the Americans and will simultaneously make just enough concessions to both to keep them around, even if it deepens Pakistan's internal and external crises.

The situation can only change when either the war between the US and jihadis winds down, or when the Pakistan Army decides to chose between Allah and America.

In the meanwhile America will try to avoid pushing Pakistan to the point where it must make a final choice *unless* its sure that choice will be America.

Of course we should never underestimate the law of unintended consequences. In the short term there's only two figures whose death would be worth the threat of a breach for the Americans - Zawahiri and Sirajuddin Haqqani. Even Zawahiri is doubtful - he is a polarising rather than unifying figure in the jihadi world.
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Meed Ki Ummeed,Panetta's Pinata

Panetta, in Afghanistan, Lashes Out at Pakistan
An interesting comment by a reader
Mrs. Davis says:
June 7, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Time to start using that drone base in Rajasthan.
Hmmm...
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^^"Mrs. Davis" probably confused Rajasthan with one of the assorted stans.
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Johann-ji, long time no see. Welcome back!
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^x2. :)
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Paki RAPE activists who flew to Kohistan on 3 helicopters to prove that the 4 girls were not killed and it was only a conspiracy by international media to defame the good name of Pakistan have gotten back with this gem of a statement from the followers of Religion of Peace:
One man from Sertai argued that the murders could not have happened because there had been no funeral prayers. I argued that usually in Pakistan women who are killed in the name of honour do not get a funeral prayer. He quickly retorted, “Not in our culture! When I killed my sister we had a proper funeral. You can ask my fellow villagers!” :rotfl:

Almost all people we talked to told us that the ulema have a strong grip over this region. One of them gave a fatwa that education is haram for women. Therefore a middle school for girls remains vacant. A few primary schools exist for deviant families but moving out of Kohistan is really the only options for those who want to educate their daughters. We learned about quite a long list of fatwas about women.
Do Pakis really believe that the rest of the world trusts them if they say that the girls have not been killed? Taqqiyya for H&D onlee.

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Bloomberg: US still operating drones from another Paki army base
U.S. officials, who spoke yesterday on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified intelligence, said they expect Pakistan may order the CIA to vacate the remaining air base from which it flies Predators to target militants sheltered in Pakistan’s tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.
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Review: Pakistan On The Brink (Ahmed Rashid & Allen Lane)
Soutik Biswas, Hindustan Times
June 8, 2012
Review: Pakistan On The Brink
Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid, an astute chronicler of the troubled region, believes that talk about a peaceful transition to a workable Afghan state in 2014 is delusional, and smacks of tired spin. In Pakistan On The Brink, a collection of essays on the future of Pakistan, Afghanistan and the West, Rashid’s vision of the region is unrelentingly bleak. Nuclear-armed Pakistan, he writes, is on the verge of State collapse and becoming an international pariah, Afghanistan is far from ready for competent self-rule, and the US has no strategic vision for stabilising the region. So it is hurtling towards “greater conflict and contradiction rather than peaceful resolution and reconciliation”.

It is difficult to disagree with Rashid’s endgame scenarios though some of them sound unduly dire. A responsible end to the war, in his opinion, would have meant a “deliberate, carefully considered Western withdrawal from Afghanistan, the existence of a political settlement with the Taliban and Pakistan’s willingness to rein in Islamic extremism and prevent a potential State meltdown”. The grimmest fallout would result from a “botched, overly hasty Western withdrawal, the absence of a political settlement with the Taliban, a continuing civil war in Afghanistan, the Pakistani leaders’ continuing resistance to internal reform, the army’s refusal to see a compromise on Afghanistan with the United States and the Afghans, and a consequent meltdown of the Pakistani State”. Afghanistan could easily become an aid-dependent basket case with a resurgent Taliban ruling large swathes of the country and Pakistan could continue to lurch from one crisis to another, but a full-blown civil war in Afghanistan or a State collapse in Pakistan don’t look like imminent threats.

Rashid’s vision of Pakistan’s future is dimmer. The essays in this collection are not the outcome of his trademark razor-sharp journalism but thoughts of a deeply engaged but increasingly cynical policy wonk. So the reasons behind his disillusionment with Pakistan are unexceptional: a military, which has ruled Pakistan for 33 of its 65 years and consumes 30% of its budget, has a vested interest in running a security State, a political elite with a stranglehold on political and economic power is torpid, corrupt and unaccountable, the political parties are family dynasties (a South Asian malaise, really), and everybody seems to be happy peddling myths and false narratives, making the country a haven for conspiracy theorists out of touch with the changing world.

There’s also a struggle for Pakistan’s soul (Islamic or secular?) and worry over a failure to develop a shared national identity in a country where 70% of the army and bureaucracy are drawn from one province (Punjab), which, in turn, contains 60% of the country’s population. To pull itself out of chronic instability and violence, Pakistan needs to fight a war on illiteracy (literacy is a paltry 57%) and joblessness. Rashid is correct when he writes that Pakistan’s geostrategic location, nuclear weapons, large population, enfeebled economy and polity and low literacy makes it more vulnerable than Afghanistan. To function as a normal State, Pakistan desperately needs a “new narrative from their leaders, one that does not perpetually blame the evergreen troika of India, US and Israel, for its ills”.

All is not lost, surely. The pullout of Nato troops from Afghanistan could be a moment for Pakistan to seize and forge a new narrative. For the first time, an elected government — albeit weak, indecisive and in power from an election where only 45% of the voters cast their ballots — is nearing a full uninterrupted term. Another military coup looks highly unlikely in a country with a newly assertive civil society, a busy judiciary and a thriving, noisy media. Changing times bring about changing narratives.
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Charlie wrote:Paki RAPE activists who flew to Kohistan on 3 helicopters to prove that the 4 girls were not killed and it was only a conspiracy by international media to defame the good name of Pakistan have gotten back with this gem of a statement from the followers of Religion of Peace:
One man from Sertai argued that the murders could not have happened because there had been no funeral prayers. I argued that usually in Pakistan women who are killed in the name of honour do not get a funeral prayer. He quickly retorted, “Not in our culture! When I killed my sister we had a proper funeral. You can ask my fellow villagers!” :rotfl:

Almost all people we talked to told us that the ulema have a strong grip over this region. One of them gave a fatwa that education is haram for women. Therefore a middle school for girls remains vacant. A few primary schools exist for deviant families but moving out of Kohistan is really the only options for those who want to educate their daughters. We learned about quite a long list of fatwas about women.
Do Pakis really believe that the rest of the world trusts them if they say that the girls have not been killed? Taqqiyya for H&D onlee.

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WTF! May be not considering this is Pakistan!

I have some doubts about the veracity of the reports that girls are alive and kicking. I smell a cover up. See this report from yesterday -
Kohistan ‘killings’: Condemned women alive, social workers tell court
Officials insisted the women were safe
The court was informed that the incident took place about 15 months ago.
Media reports were based on the statements of the two boys in the video and their brother Muhammad Afzal.

Afzal insisted that he would not believe that the girls were alive until they appeared before the court and proved their identities.

“I still say that they are dead. If they are alive, I will accept any punishment the court gives me,” he said, while addressing the media.
“We will produce them before the court when the weather gets better,” Commissioner Umarzai told The Express Tribune.
All we see is the insistence of the administration that women are safe. No audio, no video, no pictures. Weather was somehow fine for the activists to go there but not fine for them to produce the women. Also note that the report on the website has been edited since yesterday. Yesterday there was a paragraph of how the activists split into two teams and went into the hilly areas in search of women and one of the teams found them. This is hard to believe.
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Twitter is abuzz with some saying Pakis are trying to find look alikes from the day the news leaked.
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OK that was a different report from yesterday. Not edited. But the point about cover up remains.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/390203/kohi ... ive-girls/
A team of social workers and Commissioner Hazara met two of five girls reportedly killed on order of a jirga. “We met two girls, Shaheen and Amina and they are happy with their families,” said Saeed.

Saeed said that when they reached the girls’ village, they found it to be deserted. Amid rumors of the families running away, the group decided to divide itself and made teams to search for the girls.

“After traversing rough terrain, we found two girls,” said Saeed. She said that they took pictures so they would be able to recognise the girls. Upon meeting them, Saeed said that the girls “did not seem scared.”

“We wanted to bring the girls back but the administration said that the families would mind it,” said Saeed.
Earlier, while the Khyber-Pakthunkhwa chief secretary failed to produce the five girls before the Supreme Court, the chief justice sent a fact-finding mission comprising women activists to visit the Peech Bela union council of Kohistan.
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Unkil nails this Paki taxi driver in Chicago today. The Paki was caught doing what comes best to him --- supporting terrorism.

What is jarring, however, is how plainly this report makes it clear that if this idiot Paki had only limited himself to sending money to Ilyas Kashmiri to blow up Indian women and babies, no hair follicle on Unkil's ball would have been bothered.

It was only when this Paki makes a second donation, while knowing that Ilyas Kashmiri was an Al Keeda (and not just an anti-Indian Keeda), that Unkil lowered the FBI boom on him.

Note that this is not a press report by AP or Reuters. It is an actual FBI press release:

Chicago Man Sentenced to Over Seven Years in Prison for Attempting to Provide Funds to Support al Qaeda in Pakistan
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That is not how I read it, jr^2, but perceptions can differ.
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Body count due to drone attack

http://pakistanbodycount.org/drone_attack

Check the islamic month

http://pakistanbodycount.org/analytics
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anupmisra wrote:Paki entitlement is not limited to the field of realpolitiks. It permeates into sports as well. Pakistan set to make waves in Olympic pool

First the bad news:
...two of its swimmers received confirmation to participate in the Olympic Games. The international body for aquatic sports, FINA, has selected Anum Bandey and Israr Hussain of Pakistan on the basis of their performance in the 14th FINA World Championships, held in Shanghai last year.
Then, the real news:
The allotment has been made on the ‘Universality Places,’ berths reserved for countries whose athletes are unable to qualify for the Games.
So, its all about reservations.
Hopefully their swimmers they are sending can swim half-decently. This quota is designed to encourage developing countries without training facilities to participate. Countries that have used this quota previously include Equatorial Guinea, Vanuatu, Palestine etc. So Pakistan has now sunk to the level of these fine countries.

Speaking of Equatorial Guinea, they had used this quota to send a couple of swimmers, one of whom was Eric "the Eel" Moussambani. The guy finished his 100m heat, but later admitted that the last 15 m was very tough going. A person I know who'd watched the event said that it looked like the chap was going to drown before finishing the race and some members in the audience were preparing to jump in and rescue him :rotfl:. They gave him a standing ovation when he finished the race. The woman that they'd sent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Barila_Bolopa) also barely finished her 50m heat too and also received a standing ovation from the audience.
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“Not in our culture! When I killed my sister we had a proper funeral. You can ask my fellow villagers!”
Truth is always more amazing than fiction when it comes to the Pakis!! :rotfl:
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I really dont understand why the pure would blow up a madrasah..isn't that like a coaching class owner bombing the IIT?
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I really dont understand why the pure would blow up a madrasah..isn't that like a coaching class owner bombing the IIT?
^^ Its like a coaching center owner blowing up his competitor's center!!
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Surely the Poakroache are approaching the pinnacle of purity when a madrasah is deemed impure..and Mulla Diesel is bull-cattle. What can one say of a sickular school?! When the air is so pure, the tallel mountain friends should consider setting up semiconductor assembly plants..
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Rangudu wrote:Image
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Singha wrote:I find it somewhat peculiar that african nations in general are not half-decent in swimming given the continent has a lot of rivers and huge lakes?
perhaps due to presence of crocs and hippos people dont swim a lot?
My response in the OT thread http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1293845
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‘Dawn:Pakistan, US working on draft of apology’
WASHINGTON, June 8: The United States and Pakistan are working on the language of a possible US apology to end their stalemate and reopen Nato’s supply routes to Afghanistan, diplomatic sources told Dawn.

Pakistan wants the United States to apologise over a Nov 26 air raid that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers at the Salala military post. The United States had initially agreed to apologise but changed its mind after aides warned President Barack Obama
the move could harm his re-election campaign.

Pakistan closed Nato’s supply routes to Afghanistan after the raid and is refusing to reopen them unless the Americans apologise.

The sources who spoke to Dawn said they “now see a stronger desire on both sides” to resolve this dispute.

They said the two sides had already exchanged several drafts of the expected apology and might soon agree “on a draft that meets everybody’s requirements”.

The sources rejected recent reports in the US media that Pakistan was refusing to reopen the routes because it wanted higher tariffs from the United States for using its highways.

A team of US experts has been based in Islamabad for the past six weeks, trying to end the dispute and reopen the supply routes. On Friday, another senior US official, Assistant Secretary of Defence Peter Levoy, also joined the team.

Meanwhile, Pakistan’s ambassador in Washington, Sherry Rehman, urged US officials to avoid making remarks that could further deteriorate an already tense relationship between the two countries. Commenting on Secretary Panetta’s recent
statement that the United States was losing patience with Pakistan, Ambassador Rehman said: “This kind of public messaging from a senior member of the US administration is taken very seriously in Pakistan, and reduces the space for
narrowing our bilateral differences at a critical time in the negotiations.”


Such statements, she noted, “adds an unhelpful twist to the process and leaves little oxygen for those of us seeking to break a stalemate”.
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^
The sources who spoke to Dawn said they “now see a stronger desire on both sides” to resolve this dispute.
:lol:
Maj Gen. Athar Abbas's brother, Zaffar Abbas, is the editor of Dawn.
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pgbhat wrote:^
The sources who spoke to Dawn said they “now see a stronger desire on both sides” to resolve this dispute.
:lol:
Maj Gen. Athar Abbas's brother, Zaffar Abbas, is the editor of Dawn.
Interesting. Do we have a Paki Rape family tree on BRF? In their incestuous world everyone seems to be connected to everyone else. Some time back Marvi Memon tweeted that she is connected to Faiz Ahmed Faiz thru her nephew who is married into Faiz's family.

I was also reading the wiki page of Sherry Rahman and found this:
She is married to banker Nadeem Hussain, who is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Tameer Microfinance Bank. She was previously married to Ehsan Malik, who is currently the Chief Executive Office of Unilever Pakistan.
Wow just Wow.

And the bimbo Marvi Memon seems to have used her connections to piss over every organization there is in Pakistan to build her resume.
After attending schools in Karachi, Kuwait and Paris, Marvi Memon graduated from the London School of Economics with a B.Sc (Econ) Honors in International Relations.
Marvi Memon had internships at Dawn (newspaper), Newsline (magazine), Pakistan Institute of International Affairs, and the International Union for Conservation of Nature.
After graduation, Memon joined Citibank. Her initial responsibilities were in marketing and quality management.
Upon leaving Citibank, Memon went to work at the government-owned Pakistan Television Corporation.
Later, Marvi Memon helped launch an entrepreneurial venture, Trakker. Trakker was Pakistan’s first satellite tracking fleet management firm. Memon became the youngest female CEO of a multinational firm in Pakistan to that time.
In 2003, She entered national politics, joining the military staff of Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) as Executive Media Officer. As a high-profile civilian figure, Memon collected and relayed media data to General Pervez Musharraf. Eventually, she advised the Musharraf administration on both civil and military affairs.
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Charlie wrote:In their incestuous world everyone seems to be connected to everyone else.
Interesting observation. I estimate that the uber-inter-connected paki roster of names does run a full cycle after maybe a half million individuals. Thats out of a population of 200 M and counting. These are the folks that run pakiland and are the ones repeatedly named in pretty much everything that happens there. Be it a fashion show or a sports event or the top management of listed companies or government officals or landowners. In their major cities (K'rachi, LaWhore, Pindichana-Slummabad, Fissleabad, Hydrabad, Quitter and Mooltan), that would account for the top 25,000 to 100,000 people per city. That's why one sees the same names pop up again and again that are involved in mutli-faceted roles. Most have their money stashed away overseas. Most of the pakis that I bump into here in NYC are well-coonected and seem to know each other through family connections (or they will make one). The sad part is that this seems to be the way the paki ruling class wants it. I guess, they are following the old Mughal way.
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anupmisra wrote:
Charlie wrote:In their incestuous world everyone seems to be connected to everyone else.
Interesting observation. I estimate that the uber-inter-connected paki roster of names does run a full cycle after maybe a half million individuals. Thats out of a population of 200 M and counting. These are the folks that run pakiland and are the ones repeatedly named in pretty much everything that happens there. Be it a fashion show or a sports event or the top management of listed companies or government officals or landowners. In their major cities (K'rachi, LaWhore, Pindichana-Slummabad, Fissleabad, Hydrabad, Quitter and Mooltan), that would account for the top 25,000 to 100,000 people per city. That's why one sees the same names pop up again and again that are involved in mutli-faceted roles. Most have their money stashed away overseas. Most of the pakis that I bump into here in NYC are well-coonected and seem to know each other through family connections (or they will make one). The sad part is that this seems to be the way the paki ruling class wants it. I guess, they are following the old Mughal way.
Also, most Pakis seem to try their best to marry a white woman atleast once (one of several begums) and produce Caucasian looking "momeen" progeny.

Sometimes the rich anglicized Pakis succeed to keep the marriage with white women intact with the lure of wealth, servants, nawabi treatment back home in Pakiland while we see a news report every other week of middle class Pakis kidnapping their children to take them back to Pakiland for a pure madressa jihadi upbringing after the white wife has had enough of bious life.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

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Jhujar wrote:
Rangudu wrote:Image
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Now poor Pakis have to pray like the kafir hindoooo? :(( :((
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

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Johann wrote:I don't think any of the fundamental dynamics have changed.

There are jihadis all over the world whose number one priority is to fight America and kill Americans.

America's number one priority is to prevent them from attacking the US homeland.

The Pakistan Army needs both the jihadis and the Americans and will simultaneously make just enough concessions to both to keep them around, even if it deepens Pakistan's internal and external crises.

The situation can only change when either the war between the US and jihadis winds down, or when the Pakistan Army decides to chose between Allah and America.

In the meanwhile America will try to avoid pushing Pakistan to the point where it must make a final choice *unless* its sure that choice will be America.

Of course we should never underestimate the law of unintended consequences. In the short term there's only two figures whose death would be worth the threat of a breach for the Americans - Zawahiri and Sirajuddin Haqqani. Even Zawahiri is doubtful - he is a polarising rather than unifying figure in the jihadi world.
I dispute your fundamental hypothesis. No, America is not the target of all Jihadis around the world. This is an exaggerated claim and somewhat specious portrayal of America as a perpetual victim. India is as much a target of TSP based Jihadis as US is mostly from mid-east based Jihadis. Characterizing the problem as America's alone will result in this fraud called the so called global war on terror where the center piece is eliminating attacks on US, even if it means attacks against India continue unabated. The correct strategy would be a more holistic approach to terrorism. US (and its western lackeys) and India to form an alliance and issue the ultimate warning to TSP that there will be zero tolerance for terror by TSP, and should it desist, make good on Amrtitraj's threat post 9/11. The Jihadis problem that confronts the world and that includes US and India can be solved if US really wants to solve it, and its larger geo-political imperialistic interests don't come in the way: One key objective being the need to preserve TSP based Jiahdis and their patron the TSP army so they contain India in "South Asia" box. No foreign policy expert will every tell you this, but this is the real unstated objective of US and its lackeys, and hence the beating around the bush in AfPak.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

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pgbhat wrote:^
The sources who spoke to Dawn said they “now see a stronger desire on both sides” to resolve this dispute.
:lol:
Maj Gen. Athar Abbas's brother, Zaffar Abbas, is the editor of Dawn.
And the third brother Mazhar Abbas is the head of TSP journalists organization and one of the TV networks as well.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

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CRS,

Johann did not say what you said he did. Read carefully. :)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

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US, Pakistan beginning to look more like enemies

You know a friendship has gone sour when you start making mean jokes about your friend in front of his most bitter nemesis. :twisted: :rotfl:
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