Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Jun 2012 21:43

AFAIK PA has 4 stars on their chiefs, etc.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Jun 2012 21:45

par for the course - they usually claim 300 fighters will be airborne within 3 mins if India torches a hair on their head.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 15 Jun 2012 21:50

jrjrao wrote:The Guardian, UK:

Pakistan boasted of nuclear strike on India within eight seconds

"When the time came to leave, the livelier of the two generals asked me to remind the Indians: 'It takes us eight seconds to get the missiles over,' then flashed a huge toothy grin."
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The toothy jernail also said "In pakistan, we are all birathers and uncles at the same time"...... geez.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Jun 2012 22:18

Metaphor for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s population problem.

Islam Mohmand, his two wives and 20 kids :

Family's 20 kids highlight Pakistan's population explosion

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 15 Jun 2012 22:27

^^And the Pakis would want to convey the message through their so called mother to India, of how a real threat they were, unleashing the terror and making Indians shiver. And ofcourse, UK with her motherly feelings would be so concerned as to how real a badass goon her child the Pakiland has become and immediately rush to de-escalate the conflicts. And ofcourse in all of these, the Pakis in an act of heroism would launch all their weapons under 8 mins and still survive fearless to claim victory. How amazing!!

He assessed that the Indians believed that they could absorb 500,000 deaths. Pakistani capability was far greater than the Indians believed.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 15 Jun 2012 22:38

1. Never have I seen the UK or any other vermin for that matter really recognize the crimes that the Pakis commit. Its always India blames the Pakis are causing terrorism, and they have a right to so called fight back Indian (so unjustified) rule in Kashmir. Well, when the Pakis rape/loot/plunder their own innocent/young girls, its an Asian problem and the perpetrators are Asian.

2. The general feeling with UK is that she is the mother of Pakistan and step mother of India, so all crimes committed by Pakis are legitimate, and anything India does in return needs to be de-escalated (ridiculed, snubbed).

3. the Indian subcontinent is a nuclear flashpoint that would consume the whole of the world, and with great frowns in her face, how she has to settle things by gifting away Kashmir to the Pakis so that freedom/justice/human rights prevail and the terrorist compulsions of the Pakis would be mitigated.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Jun 2012 22:50

paks have used any and every forum to claim that their red line was 2mm away and that any indian action would result in mijjile phyrr - nothing specific about it being queendom

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jun 2012 23:42

Paki Defence Budget - Revisited

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 15 Jun 2012 23:43

SSridhar wrote: That warning was in late 2001.........

Brigadier Aman(!!!!) was bluffing through his every hole. He did a remarkable job of scaring the bejesus out of Landesman. It was also a message of blackmail to india through western media.

This bast$$d pakis dont have courage to nuke us. Only couragous thing they can do is to backstab someone. They cant stand up and face India.

These pakis are bluff.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 15 Jun 2012 23:53

Ivanev wrote:1. Never have I seen the UK or any other vermin for that matter really recognize the crimes that the Pakis commit. Its always India blames the Pakis are causing terrorism, and they have a right to so called fight back Indian (so unjustified) rule in Kashmir. Well, when the Pakis rape/loot/plunder their own innocent/young girls, its an Asian problem and the perpetrators are Asian.

2. The general feeling with UK is that she is the mother of Pakistan and step mother of India, so all crimes committed by Pakis are legitimate, and anything India does in return needs to be de-escalated (ridiculed, snubbed).

3. the Indian subcontinent is a nuclear flashpoint that would consume the whole of the world, and with great frowns in her face, how she has to settle things by gifting away Kashmir to the Pakis so that freedom/justice/human rights prevail and the terrorist compulsions of the Pakis would be mitigated.

Perhaps it is important to note what all pakistaniyat is ignored/supported by the west and in what fashion to serve what end, such nuke-tech. It is perhaps even more important to build stronger and stronger still defense with time as well.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Jun 2012 00:16

Poaq running scared of indian soft power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyWO6yy4 ... ure=relmfu

M.S. Gill to Hajam Setthi
INDIAN FIRST" .."RELIGION ..LATER" ...(M.S.GILL to NAJAM SETHI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq8o0B1V ... ure=relmfu

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jun 2012 00:24

In my mind UK can be seen as a proxy supporter of TSP nukes. Blair and his minions shoulld have laid down the law and not parties with the toothy generals making such threats. Shows why they should be stripped of UNSC and P-5 status. High time India supported Scottish self determination.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Jun 2012 01:05

Kanishka wrote:
my4THcousin wrote: If US accepts the whore back, india can be rest assured of emergence of new world order in 20-30 years.
R Ji, can you elaborate on this please.

Any accommodation by US at this point, even if it is in US interests, will be seen as weakness by the pakis. The last time they felt that way when USSR pulled back from Afghanistan, it led to an attack on US soil within 12+ years.

US accommodation at this point, and its withdrawal from Afghanistan (fully or partially) will kick start the next round of d*ckness from the faithfools. We can be assured of non-state attacks on US interests starting in few years, culminating with a large-pathaka in homeland.

That will start the next round of revelations, occupations etc in 2025-2030 time frame. And everything that comes with that...

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Jun 2012 01:20

The importance of ‘mehr’
(Poaq cultural values comparing to Dharmics and YYs)

http://dawn.com/2012/06/15/the-importance-of-mehr/

MARRIAGE in Islam is a legal contract between two parties and not a holy sacrament. Many terms and conditions in the marriage contract are obligatory, while others can be set and agreed to at the time of marriage.The gift or dower or Price given as a mark of respect to the wife at the time of marriage by the husband is obligatory and is referred to as mehr. It is the legal right of the wife. It can be in cash or kind. The amount is variable and should be agreed to by both parties.One of the words used in the Quran for this purpose is sadaqah (4:4), meaning the gift that is given in good faith and as a good deed, out of generosity, without meaning to aggrandise oneself. The other word used in the Quran is ajr (33:50). This word means a reward and is also used to denote wages. It is given as a gift to the woman who is going to leave her family and the security of her home, and is risking adjustment in a new and unknown set-up.The concept of jahez, or giving endless amounts of household goods and gifts by the bride’s family, does not exist in Islam.
It is an obligation even in the case of the women of the “…People of the Book….” (5:5). According to Maulana Umar Ahmed Usmani, the labour of the groom cannot be accepted as mehr, because the mehr has to be an amount paid to the bride.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 16 Jun 2012 01:27

RamaY wrote:Often we highlight what we want to see...

This message has nothing to do with Hindustan. It is all about the plight of Pakistan, their future and their shackles and how the secular India left Pakistan to their fate, thats what he meant when he says India is mean to them.

TSP is a blend of the kabila structure with the national psyche of Pravin Mahajan, brother and killer of the late Pramod Mahajan.

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 16 Jun 2012 03:00

Although this should go to the Benis Thread. How Facepalmistan has so many sdre fans here who are dying to embrace them.

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Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Jun 2012 03:39

^^^^
where is Hyderabad, Deccan? Near Bangalore, Kerala?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 16 Jun 2012 03:40

Barf alert please

anyway that comments section needs a major change in direction and secular intervention

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Jun 2012 07:20

if you think about it the entire lot of muslim countries is in flames - north africa, syria, iraq, iran , indonesia & malaysia have their share of faithful also going around with cows heads on a pike to prove their purity, philipines have a moro insurgents in the southern islands, thailand has islamists in its southern part waging a mini-war, in myanmar last week riots between rohingiya muslims and buddhists.
pakistan is the preferred haunt of the national bird and everyone is shooting at one another.

the west seems interested in keeping their petrol pump (the gulf) quiet and setting the rest of islamic world on fire. perhaps the idea is to force the long delayed social and admin reforms that islamic world did not have. most post colonial nations did that in 50s and 60s. east asia in the 80s and 90s. islamic world was the last region left under the boots of strongmen.

ofcourse the west is not really interested in democracy just trying to install a more sustainable set of pro-west strongmen after sweeping the old regime.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Jun 2012 08:31

Pakistan Monument without electricity for 18 days

power supply to the Pakistan Monument could not be restored despite a lapse of 18 days

A symbol of national honour....

Oh! The shame, the embarassment....the key matter of lost HS&D. But, don't fear. India's here. (drumrolls....)

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Jun 2012 10:25

Cross posting from Pakistan Miltary Watch thread.

keshavchandra wrote:Pakistan Boasted of Nuclear Strike on India Within Eight Seconds
The nuclear warnings came during a visit by Blair to the Indian subcontinent after the 9/11 attacks in 2001. Campbell was told about the eight-second threat over a dinner in Islamabad on 5 October 2001 hosted by Pervez Musharraf, then Pakistan’s president.
Campbell writes: “At dinner I was between two five-star generals who spent most of the time listing atrocities for which they held the Indians responsible, killing their own people and trying to blame ‘freedom fighters’. They were pretty convinced that one day there would be a nuclear war because India, despite its vast population and despite being seven times bigger, was unstable and determined to take them out.

“When the time came to leave, the livelier of the two generals asked me to remind the Indians: ‘It takes us eight seconds to get the missiles over,’ then flashed a huge toothy grin.”

SO suspisions of BR are correct, the Paki Generals have the worst Paki mentality and will hate us and try to destroy us no matter what, see the spin caused, for them Kashmir Pandits attrocities and cleansing was conducted by Jagmohan and possibly 26/11 is an RSS consiracy. How can any CBM have an effect on them?????

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Jun 2012 10:33

Few things the Blair revelations on the Paki Generals reveal

1. They are hell bent on destroying us and want to do it no matter what

2. Their NUkes are Security ~~Bank~~ guarantees for thier NON STATE ACTORS. So thier Nukes are part of Terror. SO anybody Supports Pakis or Paki Amry supports Nuke backed Terrorism

3. They think the attrocities they commit are correct and no sense of remorse and will at best spin to jusify attrocities on the victim. Like Blasphamy, Like Kashmir Pandits attrocities, genocide and ethnic cleansing are due to Jagmohan - Hindu Governor.

I don't any peace process or any way one deals with arational human can work with these people other than ending the gene pool.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Jun 2012 10:44

Obama: warrior president

Thus spoke the Asteen Ka Sarp,Green Poaq Noorani

PRESIDENT Barack Obama as warrior president, is no different from his predecessor George W. Bush. He has emerged as the author and practitioner of the doctrine of ‘targeted killing’ which is totally opposed to international law and morality. David Rohde, a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner and former reporter for the New York Times, noted last March that his administration had carried out “at least 239 covert drone strikes, more than five times the 44 approved under George Bush”. There is no accountability, no transparency and no legality.Jo Becker and Scott Shane of the New York Times revealed recently that Obama personally selects the targets. “Mr Obama has placed himself at the helm of a top secret ‘nominations’ process to designate terrorists for kill or capture of which the capture part has become largely theoretical.”When a rare opportunity for a drone strike at a top terrorist arises — but the terrorist’s family is with him — it is the president who has reserved to himself the final moral calculation. ‘He determined that he will make these decisions about how far and wide these operations will go,’ said Thomas E. Donilon, his national security adviser.”Obama has avoided the complications of detention by deciding, in effect, to take no prisoners alive. While scores of suspects have been killed under Obama, hardly any have been taken into US custody.The Defence Department killed suspects in Yemen without knowing their names, using criteria that were never made public.
The administration counted all adult males killed by drone fire as combatants without knowing that for certain. It assumed they are up to no good if they were in the area.The US Authorisation for Use of Military Force Act 2001 empowers the president to use “all necessary and appropriate force” against persons linked to the 9/11 attack — a decade ago. However, on May 22, 2010 Obama said: “This is a different kind of war. There will be no simple moment of surrender to mark the journey’s end — no armistice, no banner headline.Though we have had more success in eliminating Al Qaeda leaders in recent months than in recent years, they will continueto recruit, and plot, and exploit our open society.” So, the war will continue and so will the targeted killings by drone attacks.Dr Christine Gray, professor of international law at Cambridge University, is one of the most highly respected authorities on the law. She holds that “even if it is accepted for the sake of argument that targeted killings may sometimes be lawful, it is difficult to argue that they count as self-defence under the UN Charter if the individuals targeted are not actively engaged in an armed attack (broadly construed) on the United States, but are being punished for past attacks, or deterred from non-imminent future attacks.”

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 16 Jun 2012 13:25

Aditya_V wrote:WTF India power surplus, It is Power generosity, India is power straved and many parts of our nation have power cuts. There is no power for many Industries, Multinationals don't set up plants in our nation, but we export power.

I am sure some Indians die of heat stroke without power, some hospitals are affected and Indian patients die. But since they are elite who cares. Pakis for our IFS and Elite are more important than Indians.

Gurgaon and Indirapuram (Ghaziabad) face hours of power cut every day because they don't have enough power to supply! Have heard same for other parts of Ghaziabad and Noida. Can't imagine the situation in other cities.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Jun 2012 13:49

Spare a thought for Rural AAM AADMI who are evoked when our space programme is discussed , India weapon purchases are discussed etc. why have the WKK, Leftists and the Delhi IFS-NGO circuit forgotten them so convieniently???

Why is there no debate on National TV of how India is a power surplus nation giving power to Needy Pakistan????

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Jun 2012 15:11

There is only one solution to Pakistani problem. A massive sneak attack to neutralize Pakistani nuclear weapons and Pakistani Army. 200 Agni missiles and 200 Brahmos cruise missiles with 20 squadrons of IAF all coordinated in a 6 hour blitz attack can do it. It is possible.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Jun 2012 15:17

Altair-> thats way too risky, unfortunately India's best hope Pakis use the Pakiness and do something really stupid, thats our best hope.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Jun 2012 15:22

Aditya_V wrote:Altair-> thats way too risky, unfortunately India's best hope Pakis use the Pakiness and do something really stupid, thats our best hope.

I think it is not. 20 squadrons (400 planes) and 2 plane party with each party firing 1 Brahmos missile supported by Agnis in a very narrow window (6 hours)can finish off the problem once and for all. I expect 50% casualties which means we may loose 200 planes and 400 Indian heroes. The end will justify the means. Pakistan will be finished.
The main assumption here being that ABM is successfully deployed for New Delhi and Mumbai.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 16 Jun 2012 17:58

23 killed, 54 injured in blast at Landi Kotal market

http://tribune.com.pk/story/394603/land ... al-market/

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Jun 2012 19:01

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a9c_1339813148

USS Enterprise stationed 65 miles from Pakistani Coast.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Jun 2012 20:14

Altair wrote:I think it is not. 20 squadrons (400 planes) and 2 plane party with each party firing 1 Brahmos missile supported by Agnis in a very narrow window (6 hours)can finish off the problem once and for all. I expect 50% casualties which means we may loose 200 planes and 400 Indian heroes. The end will justify the means. Pakistan will be finished. The main assumption here being that ABM is successfully deployed for New Delhi and Mumbai.

Wow! The blueprint for exterminating pa'astan is right here, folks. Those of you from Madras, Calcutta and other cities and towns need not applaud.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Jun 2012 20:26

anupmisra wrote: Wow! The blueprint for exterminating pa'astan is right here, folks. Those of you from Madras, Calcutta and other cities and towns need not applaud.

There is room in my garage for your sarcasm. The idea is to eliminate the chances of a Pakistani nuclear attack and not the other way around.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 16 Jun 2012 20:55

Car bombing kills 26 in Pakistani tribal region

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) — A car bomb exploded at a crowded bazaar in a northwestern Pakistani tribal region near the border with Afghanistan on Saturday, killing 26 people and wounding over 50 others, hospital and government officials said.

Shops and vehicles were badly damaged in the morning attack in the town of Landi Kotal in the Khyber tribal region near the main border crossing point of Torkham, government administrator Khalid Mumtaz said.

He said hundreds of people were in the bazaar when the parked explosives-laden car blew up. TV footage showed the charred skeleton of the car and local residents rushing to help take the victims to hospitals.

One of the wounded, 45-year-old Khan Mohammed, said he was sitting with a nephew in his shop when he saw a vehicle stopping in the street. Moments later he heard a massive blast.

"Something hit me in my shoulder and I fainted," he said, speaking from a hospital bed. He said two of his nephews who were outside the shop at the time of the explosion were killed and that he was worried for friends hurt in the attack.

Hospital official Farooq Shah said the death toll was 26 people.

No one immediately claimed responsibility for the blast, but suspicion fell on Pakistani Taliban insurgents who often target security forces and public places with bombings and shooting attacks.

The Pakistani army has carried out several operations to flush out Islamist militants in Khyber. Torkham is one of the two crossings for NATO supplies heading across the border into Afghanistan, but Islamabad closed the route last year to protest U.S. airstrikes that accidentally hit Pakistani troops.

Also Saturday, violence erupted in the southwestern town of Kucklak after a man allegedly tried to burn the copy of Islam's holy book. Angered over the incident, residents rallied and torched a police station and five vehicles, said police official Shaukat Ali Khan.

Khan said the man who allegedly tried to burn the Quran has been arrested and that the police were trying to restore order.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 16 Jun 2012 20:59

Musharraf was behind N-strike warning for India

Islamabad: The Pakistani warning of a nuclear strike on India within eight seconds, as reported in a British daily, was actually made at the behest of former president Pervez Musharraf, according to Daily Times.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 16 Jun 2012 21:06

Non-state actors and the state ---- Ayesha Siddiqa

Malik Riaz can be best described as one of the many non-state actors that the Pakistani state is in a habit of partnering with. Be it Malik Riaz, Sipha-e-Sahaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad, Lashkar-e-Taiba and others, these non-state actors have acquired greater nuisance value due to their linkage with the state, which they then in turn use and show off for enhancing their power even further. In all cases, these non-state actors develop such nuisance value that they begin to feel bigger than the state and try to capture parts of it, which ultimately results in greater collision or collusion.

As mentioned earlier, the state used him for bigger issues as well such as paying off certain people on its behalf to buy their silence. For instance, Riaz was used to console an angry Maulana Abdul Aziz and his wife Umme Hassan. He spent Rs 15 million to rebuild Lal Masjid and provide sanctuary to Madrassa Hafsa and the maulana’s family. Allegedly, Riaz was also asked to ‘take care of AQ Khan’.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 16 Jun 2012 21:09

Pakistan no cuckoo land

The souls of our founding fathers like Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Iqbal, etc must be restless that the country which they strived to create as a modern democratic welfare state has become a land where illiterate criminals rebuke superior judiciary at will, while the executive provides them VVIP protocol. For the few who have amassed billions through insider trading, corruption, institutionalised real estate land mafia dealings, influence peddling, organised crime etc, Pakistan is a cuckoo land, where laws are meant to be broken and honor of its daughters can be bought and traded as if it is a saleable commodity. Having successfully pilfered the state or plundered poor widows of their meager land holdings, these vultures have become so emboldened that they consider this country a banana republic, which has become a safe haven for criminals, rapists, smugglers, terrorists and land or drug mafia dons. They dare not indulge in such behavior in the countries where they have shifted all their assets that they had acquired illegally in Pakistan. These men and their families cannot even imagine to break laws or ridicule judiciary, nor even get entangled with an ordinary cop in the countries such as Dubai, UK, USA, Canada, Spain, Malaysia etc. where their children live, but they consider it kosher to hurl insults at Chief Justice of Pakistan, which are carried live on television channels. These private television channels would not dare carry any such insults, if for example someone had the courage to point a finger at the political party, whose target killers go on rampage in Karachi daily, because they fear the fate that has befallen men like Wali Babar. If these pirates are not checked and punished then Pakistan would become a cuckoo land, where people with wealth can come and feel free to do, what in their wildest dreams they dare not think of doing in other countries. This land tycoon has publicly stated that in Pakistan money buys anything and people can get away without paying taxes, ridiculing and scandalising judiciary and public sentiments. If he gets away scot-free, than nobody in this country will pay taxes, no institution will be safe and this nation may physically exist like Somalia, but it will collapse from within.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 16 Jun 2012 21:19

Why Does Pakistan Call This Man a Traitor?

A judicial commission deemed Husain Haqqani — Pakistan's former ambassador to Washington and a champion of U.S.-Pakistan ties — a traitor. When Osama bin Laden and Taliban militants can call Pakistan home, why are people like Haqqani forced to flee?

In a move that may reflect Pakistan’s desire to sweep away the last shaming vestiges of the discovery — and killing — of Osama bin Laden in a garrison city less than 64 km from its capital, a special commission of three Supreme Court Chief Justices accused Husain Haqqani, the country’s former ambassador to Washington, of disloyalty.

Made public on Tuesday, the 121-page commission report accuses Haqqani of attempting to “create a niche for himself, making himself forever indispensable to the Americans” by allegedly authoring an anonymous document for the then top U.S. military official, Admiral Mike Mullen. The document, which Haqqani disavows completely, claims that the Pakistani army was complicit in hiding bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders and that it was plotting a coup against the government in Islamabad.

Delivered to Mullen shortly after bin Laden’s killing last May, the memo also promised Washington support in the war on terrorism; cooperation with India to capture the perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai attacks; cessation of links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Pakistan’s intelligence agency, and the Taliban; permission for U.S. forces to conduct operations on Pakistani soil; and work with the U.S. to bring Pakistan’s nuclear assets under a “more verifiable, transparent regime.”

The memo was kept under wraps for five months until Mansoor Ijaz, an American businessman of Pakistani origin who had it delivered to Mullen, boasted about it in London’s Financial Times. A month later, under pressure from the political opposition and media — which dubbed the affair Memogate — Haqqani returned to Pakistan and resigned. On Dec. 1, the Supreme Court took up the matter. Because it was unable to sift through the competing claims about the memo and its origins, it set up a special commission of judges to independently investigate the allegations leveled against Haqqani by Ijaz and the Pakistani opposition parties.

Now that commission has declared Haqqani guilty, claiming that he “lost sight of the fact that he is a Pakistani citizen and Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S. and therefore his loyalty could only be to Pakistan.” According to Haqqani, such rhetoric is both ironic and in poor form. “The commission has based its findings on the claims of one man, a foreigner, and dubious records presented by him,” he said in a prepared statement.

Or is the report an attempt to blot out all remaining connections to the national embarrassment of Abbottabad — within Pakistan, at least. “The simple answer is yes,” Haqqani tells TIME via e-mail from the U.S., where he is an international-relations professor at Boston University. “Some people have made anti-Americanism a religion in Pakistan and use it as an excuse to avoid examining embarrassing issues such as Osama bin Laden living in our country,” he says. “The judiciary helps jihadists and their backers in this cover-up.”

Four months ago, Pakistani authorities razed the compound where bin Laden was killed. Two months after that, on April 27, the al-Qaeda chief’s three widows, children and grandchildren were deported after serving a token sentence — and paying a cursory fine — for illegally entering and residing in Pakistan. Shuja Pasha, the director general of the ISI when the bin Laden raid occurred, has retired. And just last month, Shakeel Afridi, a doctor who helped the CIA confirm bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad, was sentenced to 33 years in prison for allegedly helping militants.

Like Haqqani, Afridi was also declared a traitor by another special commission — this one tasked to investigate the intelligence lapse that allowed bin Laden to live in Pakistan unhindered. The Abbottabad commission has yet to conclude its findings, but its press interactions have been revealing. The commission believes a “U.S. spy network” within Pakistan was instrumental in locating bin Laden and feels that the American account of what happened on May 2 last year may not have been entirely truthful. In fact, former Supreme Court Justice Javed Iqbal, who heads the commission, declared in December that he could not even confirm whether bin Laden was in fact dead.

Not everyone believes Pakistan will be able to wipe clean the memory of what happened in Abbottabad. “I don’t think anyone will ever forget that Osama bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan,” says Talat Masood, a retired army general and independent analyst.

As far as Haqqani is concerned, the Memogate commission’s position is clear: the former envoy showed “disloyalty” to Pakistan. This limits options available to Haqqani to clear his name.

“The court will punish him,” says Masood. “He can avoid it by refusing to return to Pakistan, and I’m sure the U.S. will accommodate him, but his fate is sealed,” he says, referring to anti-American fervor in Pakistan. “There is no way he will return — at least not until the current Chief Justice has retired,” says Shaukat Qadir, a columnist and retired army brigadier. “Calling anyone an American sympathizer or traitor is akin to a death sentence.”

The petitioners who took the case before the Supreme Court feel the commission’s findings have vindicated them. “We are very satisfied with the recommendations forwarded by the judicial commission,” Senator Pervaiz Rashid, of the opposition party Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz), tells TIME. “The law should now be allowed to take its own course and deal with Haqqani accordingly.” Rashid adds that the government was not free of blame despite the commission stating that it had found no proof of President Asif Ali Zardari’s or his government’s involvement in the Memogate scandal. “Haqqani was their appointee, they all supported him. It was like a gang,” he says.

Meanwhile, former envoy Haqqani believes that the commission’s findings are not only an attempt to move past Abbottabad but also that their release was timed to deflect from corruption allegations leveled against Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry’s son by Pakistan’s largest private real estate developer. “The commission’s report has been released to distract attention from more embarrassing developments,” he says.

Haqqani’s lawyers are concerned. “The commission was only supposed to report on the validity of the accusations,” says Zahid Bukhari. “Per that mandate, they were only supposed to collect evidence and submit a report of their findings — providing any recommendations or making any judgments about Husain Haqqani’s loyalty to Pakistan was and is beyond their ambit.” Rights activist Asma Jahangir, who has appeared on behalf of Haqqani in court and has alleged that elements in the army and ISI are plotting to kill her, is also dismayed. “Under what law can the commission declare anybody a traitor?” she asked journalists outside the Lahore High Court shortly after the commission’s findings were made public. “Disgracing people is not justice.”

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 16 Jun 2012 21:47

If we supply electricity to the Pakis, it will become another "red line" and they will try to project any disruption in the supply, intentional or accidental, as an act of aggression by India.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 16 Jun 2012 22:46

Nandu wrote:If we supply electricity to the Pakis, it will become another "red line" and they will try to project any disruption in the supply, intentional or accidental, as an act of aggression by India.

Not to worry ... The Pakis don't realize it is all part of the 4th generation warfare onlee.

Indian power has wide voltage fluctuations and can fry the equipment plugged into outlets (inshallah!). For those who want to protect their equipment, the Indian banias have a vested interested in selling them voltage stabilizers (that they manufacture) by the boat loads .

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 16 Jun 2012 23:25

Pakistan's Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee pleads with the Americans to solve the Kashmir issue to bring peace to the region.

US pressure not to be accepted, says Gen Wynne | Dawn

“We will accept no pressure for standing up for our principles,” said Gen Khalid Shameem Wynne, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC), at a graduation ceremony of National Security and War Course at the National Defence University.

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While US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta’s ridiculing of Pakistani security forces in India and the remarks on presence of safe havens in tribal areas wasn’t helpful, what incensed the military top brass was his backing for restrictions on military aid for Pakistan.

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The general used the occasion to remind the Americans that there could be no peace without a resolution of the Kashmir issue.

“I must also point out that as long as regional disputes, especially Kashmir, remain unresolved, stability will remain a distant dream. We must therefore continue for a just solution of the Kashmir dispute as it is only fair to all the people who dwell in this region.”

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In the backdrop of a rift with Pakistan, the US has encouraged India to play a bigger role in Afghanistan and has also launched a trilateral mechanism involving Kabul.

Although the agenda is limited to development, unlike the trilateral process with Islamabad that covers peace and security, the new arrangement is set to anger the Pakistani military, which has been sceptical of Indian involvement in Afghanistan.