Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 16 Jun 2012 23:31

Target killings: Two killed in Karachi violence | ET

The Karachi slum is getting out of hand.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jun 2012 23:43

What grandiose names and titles these Poksuars have!!!

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 17 Jun 2012 00:48

Bomb attack on police vehicle kills seven in Peshawar, three critically injured | DAWN

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 17 Jun 2012 01:13

Shivulla... laang time coming IED Mubarak to you my birather!

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 17 Jun 2012 01:15

Roperia wrote:Target killings: Two killed in Karachi violence | ET

The Karachi slum is getting out of hand.

Out of whose hands

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 17 Jun 2012 01:18

Must see ..... Especially part 5

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2012 01:21

Mahendra wrote:The Karachi slum is getting out of hand.Out of whose hands

Karachi is in Allah's hand now. Soon Pinnoqiostan will be too.

http://thedignifiedrant.blogspot.com/20 ... istan.html
Time to Demote (abort) Pakistan

India can be forgiven for having a land-centric view of defense needs given that since independence, neighboring Pakistan has been the primary threat to India. Wars, fighting, tension, terrorism, and now nuclear weapons have kept India looking to their west even as Chinese power over the Himalayas mountain range grew.But as Indian power has outstripped Pakistani power, the real land threat to India is now over the mountains and not across the flatter terrain to the west. This Indian author thinks India needs to rethink their strategy:
I found during my recent interactions in New Delhi that our strategic thinking continues to be largely enchained to ground-based perceptions and that we are unable to reach for the skies and the seas.The skies and the seas have realities of their own distinct from ground realities. Unless we are able to perceive them in due measure and make them an integral part of our strategic thinking and planning, any exercise to modernise the national security mechanism will remain unsatisfactory.The author wants a new naval strategy for India. I agree, but I think even a naval reappraisal takes second place to an emphasis on air power. With the primary ground threat to India now over the mountains, India's ground defense needs are more localized and less likely to be a decisive fight. By default, Indian defense needs are shifting to the air (first) and the sea, as I wrote here:The basic point is that the two most populous nations on the planet don't really have a front for a decisive land war despite their long common border. Ironically enough, despite their size and border, the main arena for a war would lie at sea and in the air.And given that neither has a fleet ready to reach the usual patrol areas of the other, the main method of fighting in the near future is in the air--where India is badly outgunned.

India's path to rebalancing their defenses will be shorter with our pivot to Asia and the Pacific that will absorb more Chinese attention than otherwise. India needs to take advantage of our reorientation to redress defense imbalances that have built up over many decades to counter Pakistan and which no longer make sense for India's future defense needs.And it is time for India to stop dwelling on our past support for Pakistan:

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jun 2012 02:36

Roperia wrote:Target killings: Two killed in Karachi violence | ET

The Karachi slum is getting out of hand.

This is nothing new. Karachi was always like this. This is just the annual summer people-shedding. For example,

May 2011: Fresh Wave of Violence Paralyzes Karachi
http://dawn.com/2011/05/03/fresh-wave-o ... s-karachi/

May 2010: Sectarian violence spreads in Karachi, toll rises to 28
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... n-violence

May 2009: 27 dead in Karachi violence
http://www.sify.com/news/27-dead-in-kar ... jfiid.html

April 2008: 7 killed, many injured in Karachi violence. More than a dozen persons injured and several vehicles and at least one building torched
http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/10/stories ... 681400.htm

May 2007: Pakistan Political Violence Leaves 27 Dead
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271733,00.html

April 2006: Riots continued in Karachi on Wednesday for a second straight day following a suicide bombing that killed 56 people
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2006 ... 60412.html

June 2005: Twelve people were killed in violence in Karachi when a suicide attack on a mosque blamed on a group linked to Al Qaeda spiralled into a riot.
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDeta ... yid=113567

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Feb 1969: A Wave of Violence Including a Gun Battle Rocked Karachi Today

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Ms ... 81,2373950

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Sep 1965:US Library in Karachi Burned

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xH ... QEAAAAIBAJ

Jan 1965: Riots in Karachi bring 23 Deaths

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract. ... 5F418685F9

Usually summer people-shedding is followed by relative calm in first 3 weeks of July, after which a HUGE flood sweeps over sindh in July/August and Pakis go with a begging bowl to the entire world claiming that the Sindh Floods were bigger than the tsunami (yes, Pakis actually claimed that).

Then the Jihadis come out of the woodwork, take the money and set up relief camps, eat half the money and with the relief they provide recruit more Jihadis.

Yearly Pakistani cycle. Nothing special.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jun 2012 02:48

Here is an interesting article from 1965 (67 years ago and Pakis havent changed a bit in their penchant of throwing hollow threats around!!)

Jaspreet · Post by **Jaspreet** » 17 Jun 2012 03:36

1965 (67 years ago

47, not 67.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 Jun 2012 03:42

Leaving Pakistan

This is with reference to Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani’s recent comment in a television interview, while he was in the UK, when he was told that a survey revealed that as many as 30 per cent of all Pakistanis would emigrate if they had the opportunity to do so. I would say that the harsh truth is that the proportion would be far higher than 30 per cent.

It is not just simple economic opportunity that is driving away many Pakistanis because most of those who want to leave or have left come from privileged and financially sound backgrounds. Of course, the bulk is still from the middle class, which must be shrinking with every passing year.

As long as our national focus is on hating India and America, which is done to divert attention from the real enemy within, we remain doomed. Rampant lawlessness, murderous bigotry, and an ever-expanding military empire all contribute to our existing condition where much of the rest of the world sees us as nothing more than a state that harbours and sponsors terrorists.

Dr Mervyn Hosein

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 17 Jun 2012 04:01

Cross post from India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Roperia wrote:World View: India-US strategic dialogue more hype than substance? | CNN IBN Video

The video contains outgoing Puki Ambassador to India's interview.

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 17 Jun 2012 04:45

kshatriya wrote:Must see ..... Especially part 5

Their religion ingrains intolerance and killing as something normal.
There is no concept or understanding of karma. It is surely catching up on them.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 17 Jun 2012 05:35

kshatriya,

Kust watched the VICE Guide to Karachi.

In the last episode the the native Karachite says let me take you to see Jinnah Hospital and these filmmakers say we've seen enough, let's get the hell out of here or we end up in a body bag as well.

Anujan,

Thanks for that post. I was under the impression that the Karachi problem had to do with long term impact of population explosion, illiteracy and unemployment. The violent streak of Karachites going back till 60s is news to me.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jun 2012 07:45

^^^
It is more of ethnic bloodletting than anything else.

Karachi saw the influx of a huge number of Mohajirs (urdu speaking) after partition who started displacing the Sindhis in business and administration. These Mohajirs were usually well-educated and moneyed elite who had migrated from India. The relations between Sindhis and Mohajirs were tense.

Then came the coup in 1958, where administrative power of Pakistan was captured from Mohajirs by the Pakjab-Pathan combine. Paki capital was shifted from Karachi to Pindi in 1959 to consolidate this Army-Pakjab hold over the government. Then came Zulfi Bhutto (Sindhi), who cosied up to the Pakjabi army estabilishment, causing further strife between Sindis and Mohajirs followed by a round of bloodletting in the 60's. Then Sindhis fell out with Pakjabis and allied with Mohajirs when ZAB was hanged (Zia was Pakjabi had also nationalized several Mohajir businesses pissing off Sindhi and Mohajirs) followed by a round of bloodletting in the 70's. There were also language riots in the 70's (Sindhi vs Urdu). The Oppressed Mohajirs who had legitimate freedom struggle against oppression got moral, political and diplomatic support by the establishment and up came Altaf Bhai, who won Karachi back from the Sindhis (after a round of bloodletting) in the 80's.

Since Altaf Bhai had become too big for his shoes, the Army started encouraging the migration of Pathans into Karachi and their domination of trucking business from the Port. That caused a round of bloodletting between MQM and Pathans.

What you are now seeing is a round of Pakiness between MQM (Mohajir) -- PPP (Sindhi) -- Pathans (ISI/Army) -- PML-N (Pakjabis) killing each other as they have done since the 50's

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jun 2012 08:09

Mahendra wrote:Shivulla... laang time coming IED Mubarak to you my birather!

Mubarak ho birather

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2012 08:10

Anujan wrote:^^^
It is more of ethnic bloodletting than anything else.
What you are now seeing is a round of Pakiness between MQM (Mohajir) -- PPP (Sindhi) -- Pathans (ISI/Army) -- PML-N (Pakjabis) killing each other as they have done since the 50's

Zajakallah, The process started by the gentle peacefool suffies culminates in Sindh after 1001 years. Khachrachi now comes full circle. Sindhis remain the Ghulams of non Sindhis.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jun 2012 08:11

Roperia wrote:
Thanks for that post. I was under the impression that the Karachi problem had to do with long term impact of population explosion, illiteracy and unemployment. The violent streak of Karachites going back till 60s is news to me.

It was exactly that even in the 60s. Overcrowding, unemployment and illiteracy.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2012 08:13

shiv wrote:
Mahendra wrote:Shivulla... laang time coming IED Mubarak to you my birather!
Mubarak ho birather

IED Mubarak ho sub ko sama Yehi suhana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpk2Moli ... re=related

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 17 Jun 2012 08:21

kshatriya wrote:Must see ..... Especially part 5

Qafirs!! Krachi is just like Bombay.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jun 2012 08:38

^^
We must not forget that there are a few extremists on both sides. There are extremists in Karachi and there are extremists in Mumbai (who came from karachi in a boat)

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2012 08:44

Anujan wrote:
Roperia wrote:Target killings: Two killed in Karachi violence | ET

The Karachi slum is getting out of hand.
This is nothing new. Karachi was always like this. This is just the annual summer people-shedding. For example, ....... {Snipped} ........

Usually summer people-shedding is followed by relative calm in first 3 weeks of July, after which a HUGE flood sweeps over sindh in July/August and Pakis go with a begging bowl to the entire world claiming that the Sindh Floods were bigger than the tsunami (yes, Pakis actually claimed that).

Then the Jihadis come out of the woodwork, take the money and set up relief camps, eat half the money and with the relief they provide recruit more Jihadis.

Yearly Pakistani cycle. Nothing special.

A useful compilation of the slaughter in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that clearly demonstrates that it has being going on for quite some time.

Leads one to wonder if the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s rhetoric of being a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent is nothing more than camouflage for the carving out a gladiatorial arena to allow Mohammaddens to as it were slit each other’s throats without the bother of having to deal with the moderating interference from followers of other religions!

Meanwhile here is another compilation of slaughter in the Islamic Republic by Lionel Baixas dating back to June 2008:

Thematic Chronology of Mass Violence in Pakistan, 1947-2007

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jun 2012 09:48

Rangudu wrote:Anujan

One more data point on Malik Riaz that I forgot to mention the other day - Riaz gave money and land to the Burqa mullah of Lal Masjid fame and he also financed the rebuilding of the madrassa that was damaged during that siege. Riaz is clearly not a religious type guy, so he must have done this on behalf of his patrons. Jihadi/TSPA establishment are the only ones who have an interest in keeping Lal Masjid types happy.

Riaz is so not a PP guy. He is an army stalking horse.

Ayesha Agha in her latest column says exactly this. That Malik Riaz was used to mollify Burqa Mullah (remember that attacking the Lal Masjid was a big red rag to the TTP (bad taliban) bull).

Ayesha Agha also interestingly hints that Malik Riaz was used to buy off AQ Khan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2012 10:02

sunnyP wrote:23 killed, 54 injured in blast at Landi Kotal market

http://tribune.com.pk/story/394603/land ... al-market/

A second demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan for the day, namely Saturday, at Kohat :

Blast In Kohat: Four policemen among 6 dead

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 17 Jun 2012 10:15

Family's 20 kids highlight Pakistan's population explosion

(CNN) -- Islam Mohmand and his two wives have so many children that he sometimes gets confused and needs help to remember all of their names.

They have 20 kids in all but would be happy to bring even more into their small family house.

But population experts in Pakistan, where the Mohmands are from, say families like theirs are fueling a population explosion that is fast becoming the country's most dangerous crisis.

Pakistan's population has grown from around 33 million in 1947 to more than 180 million people in 2012, making it the sixth most populous country in the world. It is also one of the world's poorest, with 60% of Pakistanis living on just $2 per day, according to the World Bank. The majority of the population -- 70%, according to the United Nations -- is largely illiterate and resides in rural areas lacking the most basic services.

With only one in five Pakistani women using modern birth control, the United Nations estimates Pakistan will become the world's third most populous country after China and India by 2050.

"I consider the population problem the biggest problem of this country," said Akbar Laghari of Pakistan's Department of Population Welfare. "The future is bleak because of this." {It is Allah's will onlee}

He admitted the government has to share the blame as not enough is done to offer effective family planning services and teach people about birth control.
I think it's an ignored problem. We're brushing it away and I'm afraid we're losing time.
Zeba Sathar, Population Council

"We don't have that much mobility, we don't have the resources," he said.

"Because of the political upheavals in the country and frequent changes in government ... they [the government] are not giving it top priority."

With widespread poverty, an energy crisis, woeful public services, and a bloody, resource-draining insurgency, Pakistan can ill afford to see this rapid growth continue.

"Naturally there will be epidemics, there will be wars -- there will be fights for food, water and everything," Laghari warned.

"It's a huge concern that we're growing at one of the fastest rates in Asia," said Zeba Sathar, Pakistan country director for the Population Council, a non-profit organization that specializes in public health research in developing countries.

"I think it's an ignored problem. We're brushing it away and I'm afraid we're losing time."

Sathar says many people are unable to make informed decisions because support services such as family planning are lacking. "The poor end up with many children because they don't have access to right kind of information," she said.

"We're doing a lot of research where women say 'we didn't want that many children,' or they wanted to have them later but they just didn't find the services.

"The philosophy is we're not into controlling the number of children. If you can bring up a healthy family with 20 children, kudos to you. It's a question of running out of resources. It's when the 15th one suffers."

But the Mohmand children are already paying the price -- the family can only afford to send four of their offspring to school, the rest have to work to support the family.

A lack of education is not the only challenge. Pakistan is a deeply conservative country, where some view birth control as un-Islamic.

"None of these methods is allowed in Islam," said Maulana Tanveer Alvi, a Muslim cleric. "Whatever is born in the world -- animals, humans, anything living -- God is responsible for their care.

"The process of reproduction will go on until God stops it. Why should a Muslim worry about the increase in population when God has taken responsibility for everyone's care?"

Culturally, many women are often confined to the marital home and deprived of the right to make important decisions such as whether to have a child.

"Women don't always get to choose ... they require permission from their husband or even their mother-in-law," said Laghari.

However, other Muslim countries with similar problems to Pakistan, including Bangladesh and Iran, have introduced measures to curb their growing populations.

Experts say those countries started with the political will to do something and spent a lot of time and resources on family planning efforts.

The World Health Organization (WHO) says government field workers and satellite clinics are the two crucial elements in the campaign in Bangladesh -- which saw its population grow from 75 million when it gained independence in 1971, to more than 142 million currently.

It said thousands of Health and Family Welfare centers have been upgraded nationwide, while Family Welfare Assistants provide door-to-door visits giving millions of couples family planning support and sexual health education.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2012 10:16

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

The long reach of Mohammadden Terrorism originating in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Five citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are detained in Uganda on suspicion of involvement in Mohammadden Terrorism:

Uganda arrests 5 Pakistani rebel suspects

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 17 Jun 2012 10:33

The line

But it set no deadline for a solution

shows the real threat quotient of TSP. It goes like the settlement should be fair as per what TSP desires/wants/craves, or else.... Also, this is what happens when an organization headed by nutty nations gives another nutty nation so much clout/love/support to beat its chest.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 17 Jun 2012 10:39

One dead in Pakistan Koran protest: officials
http://samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=49244&CID=1

QUETTA: A mob attacked a police station in Pakistan on Saturday demanding a man detained for allegedly desecrating the Koran be handed over, leaving one person dead and 19 with gunshot wounds.

Violence erupted after police arrested a "mentally retarded" man said to have burnt pages of the Muslim holy book in Kuchlak, about 16 kilometres (10 miles) north of Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan province, senior administration official Qambar Dashti told AFP.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 17 Jun 2012 10:40

Blast kills 25 in northwest Pakistan
PTI | 09:06 PM,Jun 16,2012

A powerful car bomb went off in a busy market in the restive Khyber tribal region of northwest Pakistan today, killing at least 25 people, including three children, and injuring nearly 60 others. The blast occurred in a market in Landi Kotal town of Khyber Agency. Officials at a local hospital said they had received 18 bodies while seven persons died while being taken to Peshawar, the capital of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province. The children who died were aged between nine and 12 years, officials told the media. Officials said 57 people were injured and several of them were in a serious condition. The bomb was hidden in a pick-up truck that was parked in the market. About five kilograms of explosives were used in the attack. The blast targeted members of the pro-government Zakakhel tribe, who are opposed the banned Lashkar-e-Islam, officials said. Several shops and cars were destroyed by the blast. Gas cylinders stored in a shop blew up, triggering a fire. Police and security forces cordoned off the site and launched a search operation. No group claimed responsibility for the attack. The banned Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan and the Lashkar-e-Islam are active in Khyber Agency. In a separate development, the bomb disposal squad foiled a terrorist attack by defusing a bomb at Kohat Road in Peshawar. The bomb was hidden in a pressure cooker that was left on the roadside, officials said.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2012 10:41

The lexicon of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan when dealing with Kaafir Dhimmi’s is looking to add “Soft Apology” to “Soft Image”.

What does "Soft Apology" mean ? Permission from the US for use by Pakistan of a double handful of grease when they GUBO? :

Pakistan considering ‘soft apology’ offered by US

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jun 2012 11:00

Kanishka wrote:Family's 20 kids highlight Pakistan's population explosion

Pakistan is a deeply conservative country, where some view birth control as un-Islamic.

"None of these methods is allowed in Islam," said Maulana Tanveer Alvi, a Muslim cleric. "Whatever is born in the world -- animals, humans, anything living -- God is responsible for their care.

The Maulvi is a stupid idiot because he is too illiterate to understand that vaccination and basic healthcare measures are keeping more kids alive today than at the time of poobah and all this stayin' alive is because of kafir non Islamic inputs that the Quran did not even dream of.

KrishnaK · Post by **KrishnaK** » 17 Jun 2012 12:10

Not sure if this has been posted here before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lC3A7dbgQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3EHDDbtKdA

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2012 12:21

On display the antediluvian attitudes that are prevalent in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

“Good” Mohammadden Terrorist group led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur with whom the uniformed jihadis’ of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has a non-aggression pact threatens action against anyone carrying out an anti-polio vaccination campaign in Waziristan:

AP via Google:

Pakistan militant warns against polio vaccinations

AFP via Google:

Taliban ban anti-polio drive in Pakistan tribal area

Reuters:

Pakistan militants ban polio jabs, threaten action

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jun 2012 13:08

^^^
I am sure that in a few years time we will discover that the Army has gotten into the wheelchair and crutch manufacturing business and they used a middle man to buy off the taliban to issue statements against polio vaccination to increase their market and demand for wheelchairs.

This is Pakistan, anything can happen and usually there is an explanation involving money and the Army

And oh!
http://dawn.com/2012/06/17/taliban-link ... e-attacks/
Taliban link anti-polio drive to cessation of drone attacks

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 17 Jun 2012 13:24

arun wrote: “Good” Mohammadden Terrorist group led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur with whom the uniformed jihadis’ of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has a non-aggression pact threatens action against anyone carrying out an anti-polio vaccination campaign in Waziristan:

They are shit scared that someone in disguise of a health personnel administering polio vaccines to the general abduls would spy on them and then a national bird would be sent to dispatch them to their 72s. So, to hell with vaccines!!!

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 17 Jun 2012 13:32

arun wrote:On display the antediluvian attitudes that are prevalent in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

“Good” Mohammadden Terrorist group led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur with whom the uniformed jihadis’ of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has a non-aggression pact threatens action against anyone carrying out an anti-polio vaccination campaign in Waziristan:

AP via Google:

Pakistan militant warns against polio vaccinations

AFP via Google:

Taliban ban anti-polio drive in Pakistan tribal area

Reuters:

Pakistan militants ban polio jabs, threaten action

Why limit the ban to polio vaccinations? They should ban all types of medicines and vaccines developed in non Islamic countries.

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 17 Jun 2012 14:25

Chota Gullu and Marvi.

[youtube]RGlotfpgzWY&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Jun 2012 15:44

Nandu wrote:If we supply electricity to the Pakis, it will become another "red line" and they will try to project any disruption in the supply, intentional or accidental, as an act of aggression by India.

Also it will present GOI with another option for presenting 'tough stand' against TSP whenever the neext attack occurs. Along with suspending talks they can also suspend power supply which I hope will happen because unlike stopping chai-biskoot, this will really hurt them.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jun 2012 15:58

Kanishka wrote:Family's 20 kids highlight Pakistan's population explosion
"None of these methods is allowed in Islam," said Maulana Tanveer Alvi, a Muslim cleric. "Whatever is born in the world -- animals, humans, anything living -- God is responsible for their care.

The learned Maulana doesn't understand that it is God who takes care of the children through those scientists and doctors who created the vaccine. He may not be aware of Jonas Salk, but then Dr. Salk may not also be acceptable to him. Avicenna, great he was, did not invent the polio vaccine.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Jun 2012 21:15

Off-air leak a ‘big conspiracy’, says Riaz’s counsel