Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jun 2012 11:22

ramana wrote:Next he will try to find Muhammad's sword Zulifqar!

ZAB, the self-confirmed social secularist, chose talwar as his election symbol and associated his name 'Zulfiqar' cleverly with that. In the end, all that drama did not help him as a more pious 'monkey General' found him troublesome. BTW, Ramana, I thought Zulfiqar was the sword of Hazrat Ali.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 22 Jun 2012 11:44

ramana, ssridhar: You guys sure do know your islamic traditions. Until I read your posts, I thought Zulfiqar was Bhutto's first name. I was not aware that it was a sword too.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jun 2012 12:45

Raja Pervaiz 'Rental' Ashraf nominated for PM's post

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Jun 2012 12:46

the conditions are now right for the army to take over again

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 22 Jun 2012 13:01

Lalmohan wrote:the conditions are now right for the army to take over again

Unlikely. Think KL Bill.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 22 Jun 2012 14:05

What's Wrong with Pakistan?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... h_pakistan

Perversity characterizes Pakistan. Only the worst African hellholes, Afghanistan, Haiti, Yemen, and Iraq rank higher on this year's Failed States Index. The country is run by a military obsessed with -- and, for decades, invested in -- the conflict with India, and by a civilian elite that steals all it can and pays almost no taxes. But despite an overbearing military, tribes "defined by a near-universal male participation in organized violence," as the late European anthropologist Ernest Gellner put it, dominate massive swaths of territory. The absence of the state makes for 20-hour daily electricity blackouts and an almost nonexistent education system in many areas.
The root cause of these manifold failures, in many minds, is the very artificiality of Pakistan itself: a cartographic puzzle piece sandwiched between India and Central Asia that splits apart what the British Empire ruled as one indivisible subcontinent. Pakistan claims to represent the Indian subcontinent's Muslims, but more Muslims live in India and Bangladesh put together than in Pakistan. In the absence of any geographical reason for its existence, Pakistan, so the assumption goes, can fall back only on Islamic extremism as an organizing principle of the state.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Jun 2012 14:06

ArmenT wrote:ramana, ssridhar: You guys sure do know your islamic traditions. Until I read your posts, I thought Zulfiqar was Bhutto's first name. I was not aware that it was a sword too.

Saif - is the generic arab word for sword. Saif Ali khan, meaning sword of Ali etc.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jun 2012 15:50

What lies behind the Taliban statement on India - IDSA Comment by Sushant Sareen

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jun 2012 16:08

Gus wrote:Saif - is the generic arab word for sword.

Yes. That is why the Koran has Jihad-al-saif (A Holy War by sword). That is why Professor saheb says that jihad fil hurriya (jihad for Freedom) in J&K can be only jihad-al-saif and such a jihad would be jihad-fi-Sabilillah (jihad for Allah) and would please Him. He says moreover, "I would like to say that the survival of the entire Muslim world depends on jehad. . . . I would urge the Pakistan Army to wage jehad for oppressed Muslims around the world. . . . We will promote jehad. Allah says, Oh Muslims, increase your power. Allah says, Oh Muslims make atom bombs. Allah is ordering us to prepare all kinds of weapons and build lashkars (armies) so that our enemies in the Pentagon and the White House dare not attack us ".

The concept of Jihad-al-Saif is thus made an integral part of iman (faith) by emphasizing that it is part of ibadaat (an act of worship). For this, the Pakistani Islamists quote the verse, jihad fi sabilillah and the ayat-us-saif (Verses of the Sword, Quran 2:191 - "And slay them wherever ye catch them").

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 22 Jun 2012 17:00

Didn't see it being posted

Crisis in Pak may force PM to abort visit

http://toi.in/XEKYaY

NEW DELHI: With Pakistan's politics on the skids, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's desired visit to the neighbouring country may also run into trouble. The window of opportunity for the PM's planned visit is shrinking further as a new PM is expected to take charge in Pakistan amid the ongoing political uncertainty.

Singh has made no secret of his intention to visit Pakistan as the PM. Conventional wisdom has it that he might visit Pakistan in the later part of this year. To that end, the PM has stopped his trusted private secretary, Jaideep Sarkar, from taking up his ambassadorial post in Israel. Sharat Sabharwal, high commissioner in Islamabad, is said to be on the verge of getting an extension in Islamabad so that he can cover the PM's trip.

On Wednesday, foreign minister S M Krishna, questioned about the developments in Pakistan, said "Whatever happens in Pakistan, it should not affect bilateral ties." The minister said India was closely monitoring events in Pakistan. "We will like the political impasse to be settled," Krishna said.

The ruling party in Pakistan may elect textiles minister Makhdoom Shahabuddin or water and power minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar to the prime ministerial post. However, the new Pakistani PM will also be expected to send a letter to the Swiss authorities about reopening corruption cases against President Asif Ali Zardari. If he refuses, as he is likely to, Islamabad is staring at another constitutional crisis.

Either way, Pakistani government is expected to call for elections in early 2013, and this would mean that a caretaker government would be in place in Islamabad before long. And, it's unlikely PM that would like to visit Pakistan when a caretaker government is in power.

The PM's planned visit has been complicated with the expectation that his trip should have a "deliverable" like an agreement between the two sides. But there has been no agreement on even a liberalized visa regime, while the Pakistani side has fruitlessly pushed for a Siachen deal as a carrot for Singh's visit.

The Indian and Pakistani foreign secretaries are also expected to meet in early July. This will be followed by Krishna's visit to Islamabad later in the month.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jun 2012 17:08

Ramana,

This morning I exchanged a couple of emails with Sohaib Mengal, the author of that article on Balochistan. He is willing to post his ideas on BR and may sign up. I remember a Balochistan-centric thread on BR. Is it still active? This will be interesting.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jun 2012 17:17

ManuT wrote:Crisis in Pak may force PM to abort visit

It was a conspiraceeeee all along. The right-wing (evil) Yindoos did not want this Indo-pak friendship to blossom and may be trying to cancel their PM's visit by engineering this current turmoil. Yindoos (especially the brahmins, ksahtriyas, baniyas, and others) can never be trusted. Djinnah was right all along. Jail Ham-eid is right today.
I only hope the Yindoos do not cancel the offer for free water and electricity.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jun 2012 17:26

The new (latest) PPP nominee for PM-ship, Raja Pervez Ashraf is on record stating in their NA in 2010 that India was within its rights to build dams on Jhelum and Chenab rivers. This should be an interesting akhada to watch. Click Hiyar

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 22 Jun 2012 17:57

^^^ you boys are not reading the "Hugh von Skyhawk" article right... the best bit is saved for the last:

"Now herein lies the rub, while the owner of the symbolic expression of one of the finest mind’s in the world in Leonardo da Vinci’s notebooks/codex is Bill Gates, often credited by The Guinness Book as the richest man in the world, the owner of this symbolic expression of power is Mamoon Tariq Khan, also credited by The Guinness Book of World Records in 1994 as the man with finest brain in the world."

these fu(kers are out of their minds!!! Beyond embarrassment.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jun 2012 18:00

JE Menon wrote:^^^ you boys are not reading the "Hugh von Skyhawk" article right... the best bit is saved for the last:

...the owner of this symbolic expression of power is Mamoon Tariq Khan, also credited by The Guinness Book of World Records in 1994 as the man with finest brain in the world." these fu(kers are out of their minds!!! Beyond embarrassment.

This esteemed paki memorized all the 52 cards in a deck of playing cards and recited the same in 44 seconds or so. True paki.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 22 Jun 2012 18:37

They don't even have the sword as a whole, what the guy has is hilt, may be his great great great grand father might stolen from the dead king.

He said that what remains for us of it today is the sword’s entire hilt in almost pristine condition with only its blade missing which experts agree must have broken during its last royal battle that surely hung its owner to his fate.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jun 2012 18:58

Happy New PM Day, Pakiland.

US mulls new covert raids in Pakistan

U.S. military and intelligence officials are so frustrated with Pakistan's failure to stop local militant groups from attacking Americans in neighboring Afghanistan that they have considered launching secret joint U.S.-Afghan commando raids into Pakistan to hunt them down, officials told The Associated Press.

The latest round of debate over whether to launch clandestine special operations raids into Pakistan against the Haqqanis came after the June 1 car bombing of Forward Operating Base Salerno in eastern Afghanistan that injured up to 100 U.S. and Afghan soldiers, according to three current and two former U.S. officials who were briefed on the discussions.

The White House and the CIA declined to comment for this story.

Ramesh · Post by **Ramesh** » 22 Jun 2012 19:33

Rental raja as PM of rentier state.

Allah really works in mysterious ways.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 22 Jun 2012 19:49

Anujan wrote:In June of 2012, India and Pakistan had agreed to withdraw from Siachen and India had agreed to give all of Siachen and Kashmir to Pakistan along with Sir Creek. We were hours away from signing the agreement, however it was unfortunately scuttled due to Pakistan Prime Minister Shahabuddin getting arrested.

Maybe the Paki newspaper which reported that MumbleMumbleSilence's visit would bring cheer, happiness and biss to our neighbourhood was not hallucinating. Maybe it was based on leaks in back channels / track 786 channel. ~~God~~ Allah alone knows.
But when a Paki singles out Indian Army as bottleneck for peace you know something Paki is happening

Indian Army has recently reiterated its stand on Siachen issue and has cautioned the government about the disadvantages of withdrawal from Siachen. The top brass has reportedly refused to move its men or machines from Siachen glacier, ruling out possibility of any demilitarization of the area. Indian Army’s fresh assessment of the situation had come ahead of Indo-Pak talks on Siachen that were held 10-11 June 2012. Indian Army also rejected all Pakistani suggestions of demilitarization of Siachen glacier unless Pakistan agrees to Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) on the glacier. Indian Army’s attitude can well be imagined from their Army Chief General V.K. Singh’s comments on Pakistan Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani’s statement regarding demilitarization of glacier, asserting that “these are all gimmicks that keep coming from the establishment in Pakistan and we will be fools if we fall for them”.

Sad that the Indian entity that has the greatest stake in Siachen with its men and machinery gets sandwiched between evil and spineless scum!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Jun 2012 19:50

SSridhar wrote:
Gus wrote:Saif - is the generic arab word for sword.
Yes. That is why the Koran has Jihad-al-saif (A Holy War by sword). That is why Professor saheb says that jihad fil hurriya (jihad for Freedom) in J&K can be only jihad-al-saif and such a jihad would be jihad-fi-Sabilillah (jihad for Allah) and would please Him. He says moreover, "I would like to say that the survival of the entire Muslim world depends on jehad. . . . I would urge the Pakistan Army to wage jehad for oppressed Muslims around the world. . . . We will promote jehad. Allah says, Oh Muslims, increase your power. Allah says, Oh Muslims make atom bombs. Allah is ordering us to prepare all kinds of weapons and build lashkars (armies) so that our enemies in the Pentagon and the White House dare not attack us ".

The concept of Jihad-al-Saif is thus made an integral part of iman (faith) by emphasizing that it is part of ibadaat (an act of worship). For this, the Pakistani Islamists quote the verse, jihad fi sabilillah and the ayat-us-saif (Verses of the Sword, Quran 2:191 - "And slay them wherever ye catch them").

And the only time these geniuses think about peace is 1300 years too late - when they wish their dead prophet with a 'peace Be Upon Him" With this raving bunch lack of peace even for the dead is a given.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 22 Jun 2012 19:54

Having being puzzled by some of the decisions taken by the Zardari government; I just tried some out-of-the-box thinking. And am close to reaching some vague but very interesting conclusions.

Anyway would like to make some points about Zardari. He is obviously a practical man with above average intelligence. Whether you like him or not, you have to admire the bravery and resoluteness he showed when he was imprisoned for a long period. He has also held his own against the Pakjabi establishment during his term as president of Pakistan. He has taken on the Army, Judiciary and Nawaj Shariff at various times and right now all three seem to be ganged up against him.

Three major incidents that may have shaped the way he thinks are hanging of ZAB, Zardari's long imprisonment and finally the assassination of his wife.

So what do you think is going on in his mind right now ? And more importantly what is he planning for the future ?

I have a feeling the answers to the above two questions are going to be very important for India.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 22 Jun 2012 19:59

by JE Menon
^^^ you boys are not reading the "Hugh von Skyhawk" article right... the best bit is saved for the last:

"Now herein lies the rub, while the owner of the symbolic expression of one of the finest mind’s in the world in Leonardo da Vinci’s notebooks/codex is Bill Gates, often credited by The Guinness Book as the richest man in the world, the owner of this symbolic expression of power is Mamoon Tariq Khan, also credited by The Guinness Book of World Records in 1994 as the man with finest brain in the world."

these fu(kers are out of their minds!!! Beyond embarrassment.

That's what inbreeding does to the humans!! A classic case in point!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jun 2012 20:16

Rajiv Lather wrote:So what do you think is going on in his mind right now ? And more importantly what is he planning for the future ?

Not sure if I agree with you on Duspercenti's character certificate but here's what I think is going on in his brain right now:

So what do you think is going on in his mind right now?
- Did I remember to pay the electricity/heating bills for my homes in England and Dubai? Who should I call to get the houses ready?

And more importantly what is he planning for the future?
- Pinky, here I come. Ready or not.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Jun 2012 21:33

X Posted from the ISI History and Discussions thread.

The Christian Science Monitor reports that that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Army controlled intelligence agency the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI / ISID) is involved in fomentimg Mohammadden Jihadi Terrorism in Afghanistan.

Taliban attacks on US bases in Afghanistan: enabled by Pakistani forces?

The volume of explosives used in attacks on US military bases in Afghanistan in recent days fuels concern that Pakistani security services are taking a stronger hand in backing insurgent groups.

By Anna Mulrine, Staff writer / June 21, 2012
Washington

A recent spate of attacks on US military bases in Afghanistan points to a resilient Taliban with a steady supply of arms. It is a supply stream flowing from Pakistan – one that US troops, try as they might, are proving unable to interrupt.

Equally troubling for the Pentagon, analysts warn that these attacks serve as growing evidence that Pakistani security services (ISI) is stepping up its support of insurgent groups to jockey for position ahead of the scheduled 2014 departure of US combat troops from the country. …………………..

The sheer volume of explosives involved in the attack points to ISI links with an insurgency “that’s proving to be a continuous challenge” for US forces in eastern Afghanistan, Mr. Dressler says.

In eastern Afghan provinces such as Khost, Taliban-affiliated insurgent groups, such as the Haqqani network, maintain safe haven and logistical lines that run all the way to Pakistan – and use these places to project their power into neighboring provinces even closer to Kabul.

“The fact that these guys can move trucks full of explosives across the border” is troubling, Dressler adds. “By not taking action, Pakistani forces “are signaling their tacit approval of this stuff.”

These sorts of behaviors – including “increased collusion” between the ISI and Pakistani-based insurgent groups – “are likely to increase” with the drawdown of US forces, Dressler warns, “unless you can get into these places [in eastern Afghanistan] and go on the offensive like we did in Helmand and Kandahar [provinces of southern Afghanistan]." …………………

CSM

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Jun 2012 22:29

NightWatch For the Night of 21 June 2012

Pakistan: On Thursday, 21 June, a Pakistani anti-drug enforcement agency (ANF) issued an arrest warrant for Pakistan People's Party (PPP) nominee for prime minister, Makhdoom Shahabuddin, who is known to be a close ally of President Zardari. Shahabuddin has been at the center of a scam to produce ephedrine ostensibly for export but in fact for illegal drug dealers. He signed the false export permits, according to one news service. Thirty more suspects are expected to be arrested in the drug scheme.

According to news service reports from Pakistan, the approval for his arrest was made months ago, but not acted on. The Supreme Court even had pressed the ANF earlier this month on why Shahabuddin hadn't been successfully captured yet. The answer was timing, and stalling by the bureaucracy.

Comment: Shahabuddin's arrest is an embarrassment, but will not derail the search for a new prime minister. The News reports the PPP has four other potential nominees under consideration. However, it does reinforce the image that the government is led by corrupt politicians and is not in control of the country.

One Pakistani authority opined that elections must be held soon because of a succession of scandals involving high elected officials. General elections were last held in 2008. The five-year term of the current National Assembly expires on 18 March 2013.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Jun 2012 22:49

Neela wrote:One side swears by the Kuran and careers, integrity, reputation and even life can be decided by it.
The other side, people swear by secularism and careers, integrity and reputation ( not life though) can be determined by it.
Both sides play to the people's expectations of morals - else they would not be doing it.
Yawning difference.
These are different peoples and conflict is inevitable - forever. The slaughter of innocents in Mumbai and the subsequent feigning of rationality is actually a sign that inaction has set into the psyche.
Rant ends.

One side sells kuran to their citizens while the other sells sekularism on their side.

Only solution to this problem is to leave both sides to their true beings - Bharatiyas.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 22 Jun 2012 23:44

anupmisra wrote:And the countdown begins. Gentlemen, set your alarm watches because Rawalpindi set for water catastrophe

Khanpur Dam to dry up by July 1

The people of Rawalpindi were warned on Thursday that the Khanpur Dam could provide water only until July 1, if there were no rains.
the residents of Block 15E (Category-III) of Sector G10/2 of Islamabad are not receiving water for the last 48 hours.
So, the pakis should party like its December 31, 1999.

It is all 4th generation warfare launched by the Hindu Banias to steal Pakistan's waters onlee!

On the positive side, Pakis can emulate the desert lifestyle of 7th century Arapia.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Jun 2012 23:47

Nato commander blames Kabul attack on Haqqani network
http://dawn.com/2012/06/22/nato-command ... i-network/

KABUL: The commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan said on Friday that a deadly attack on a hotel on the outskirts of Kabul bore the signature of the Taliban-linked Haqqani group which he said continued to operate from Pakistan.Elite Afghan police backed by Nato forces ended a 12-hour siege at the popular hotel, leaving at least 20 dead after Taliban gunmen stormed the lakeside building, bursting into a party and seizing dozens of hostages.“Afghan National Security Forces and coalition military sources acknowledge that this attack bears the signature of the Haqqani network, which continues to target and kill innocent Afghans and blatantly violate Afghan sovereignty from the safety of Pakistan,” General John Allen said in a statement

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Jun 2012 23:55

A Muslim majority Indus Valley Civilization?
Land of Living Pinnocchios

Who are we? For most of our history we have been caught between competing ideas about Pakistan. Is it a land for Muslims? What does an Islamic identity mean for the indigenous cultures of Punjab, Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan, Gilgit–Baltistan and the people who migrated to India?Greatness is created through synthesis, and when old ideas are challenged by new paradigms. The decade of the 1940s saw the North East states of British India challenged by secular Muslim nationalism. What does that mean to us? We are still in the process of understanding it. But in doing so, we have relied on too many easy answers. Our national identity is based on repudiation; we choose to identify ourselves in the negative: we are not India. Our inability to step forward is because we have failed to create any synthesis from the social and political currents available to us. Let us then challenge our paralysis and press forward with our inquiry — let us seek to imagine who we are, and who we could be.
(Arabian Seeds are rotton and not required. Tired of Being Incestuous BC?)
Our history does not start with 1947, nor with Muhammed bin Qasim’s (in)famous and glorified conquest of Sindh. Those events are important but form an incomplete story of our past. Our heritage goes back to the Indus Valley Civilization, one of the first people to build the great cities of Moenjadaro and Harappa, a complex language and mathematical system, and centers of commerce in Asia. The source of this great civilization was the Indus River whose mighty banks nourished and fed its people. Today it is not nuclear weapons that protect our country but the Indus, whose artery and tributaries provide the life flow of our country. By remembering that we are the heirs of the Indus Valley Civilization, we can shift our focus from the anti to the river itself. We can concentrate on protecting our environment and saving the river that is literally the lifeblood of the country, and the source of our food and electricity. We are a natural nation bound by the Indus, if the Indus dries out the country will collapse.
This doesn’t mean that we completely ignore the advent of the Mughals, the conquest of the British, the height of Hindu-Muslim unity during the war of independence and its subsequent breakdown, despite the best efforts of members of the leadership class. And of course, the bloodshed in the years leading to Partition – events which concluded that religion was going to play a role, however so undefined, in the consciousness of the masses of Pakistan.What is the relationship between the pre-Islamic, pre-Christian Indus Valley Civilization to today’s Islamic Republic of Pakistan? These two strands of the secular and religious deliberately create a powerful contradiction. Contradictions are good because they deny any single understanding of morality and create a vibrant society through debate and compromise.Embracing our Indus past will enable us to reject Arab cultural imperialism in the name of religion, and will help us discard the Two-Nation Theory. We will be focused not on fighting wars with India, but in making the greatest cities in the world. Cities like those of the past, which valued trade and commerce and became the hub of Indo-Persian-Chinese commerce. Let our market places be flooded by people from all over the world and be a blend of cultures. We will be a country that celebrates diversity; ethnic diversity of the many languages and cultures around the ecosystem of the great river, and religious diversity, for it will be a country for (all types of) Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs who can respect this ecosystem. It will be a country that empowers its minorities. And once religion is prevented from being abused we can truly reconcile it with modernity and our legacy of British constitutionalism.Once our conscious awakens ( to this idea, we will be a renewed nation. On the crumbling edifices of Moenjadaro and Harappa we will once more build great cities, and build a great country.

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Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 22 Jun 2012 23:57

I compiled this list using wikipedia. Prime Ministers of Pakistan, and how they lost office.

Liaquat Ali Khan : Assassinated 1951
Khawaja Nazimuddin: Dismissed by Governor General 1953
Muhammad Ali Bogra: Forced to resign by Governor General 1955
Chaudhry Muhammad Ali: Resigned due to intra-party problems 1956
Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy: Resigned under threat of removal by the President 1957
Ibrahim Ismail Chundrigar: Interim PM. Forced to resign. 1957
Feroz Khan Noon: Lost power to Presidential coup (martial law) 1958
Nurul Amin: PM post abolished by Bhutto 1971
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto: Zia's military coup. Post abolished 1977
Muhammad Khan Junejo: Dismissed by Zia. Post abolished 1988
Benazir Bhutto: Dismissed by President 1990
Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi: Interim PM. 1990
Nawaz Sharif: Dismissed by President, reinstated by Supreme Court, then forced to resign by Army. 1993
Moeenuddin Ahmad Qureshi: Interim PM. 1993
Benazir Bhutto: Dismissed by President 1996
Malik Meraj Khalid: Interim PM 1997
Nawaz Sharif: Military coup by Pervez Musharraf 1999
Zafarullah Khan Jamali: Resigned due to differences with (or forced by) Pervez Musharraf. 2004
Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain: Interim PM 2004
Shaukat Aziz: End of parliamentary term 2007
Muhammad Mian Soomro: Interim PM 2008
Yousaf Raza Gillani: Dismissed by the Supreme Court on charges of contempt of court. 2012

As can be seen from the list, the only PM who had majority in parliament and survived to the end of the parliamentary term is Shaukat Aziz. He wasn't popularly elected, but appointed by a dictator to his handpicked parliament that was brought in through a fraudulent election.

deWalker · Post by **deWalker** » 23 Jun 2012 00:46

The 3 Paki Heads of State today: Ass-Fuq, Ass-ruff, Ass-if.

I sense a pattern. Pakistan Painda-butt.

D/

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 23 Jun 2012 00:53

deWalker wrote:The 3 Paki Heads of State today: Ass-Fuq, Ass-ruff, Ass-if.

I sense a pattern. Pakistan Painda-~~butt~~ Ass.

D/

There ... corrected the error!

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 23 Jun 2012 00:55

deWalker ji, nice

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jun 2012 01:18

Its a Paki Paradox, Head cant be Ass, forget about Assx3.
Paki actually used to have 3.5 Heads and One Ass. Now a days they have 3 Ass's for 3 Heads . The Half(.5 )turns out to be Chakka of Londoka unabale to enjoy the previlegde. Master Head is after Assphuck, Junior Head is behind Asssafkari and the Middle one will go for Assruff as being used to doing ruff .

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 23 Jun 2012 02:37

Rajiv Lather wrote:Having being puzzled by some of the decisions taken by the Zardari government; I just tried some out-of-the-box thinking. And am close to reaching some vague but very interesting conclusions.

Anyway would like to make some points about Zardari. He is obviously a practical man with above average intelligence. Whether you like him or not, you have to admire the bravery and resoluteness he showed when he was imprisoned for a long period. He has also held his own against the Pakjabi establishment during his term as president of Pakistan. He has taken on the Army, Judiciary and Nawaj Shariff at various times and right now all three seem to be ganged up against him.

Three major incidents that may have shaped the way he thinks are hanging of ZAB, Zardari's long imprisonment and finally the assassination of his wife.

So what do you think is going on in his mind right now ? And more importantly what is he planning for the future ?

I have a feeling the answers to the above two questions are going to be very important for India.

Hi Rajiv,

That's an excellent question. If I had to guess, I'd put it in this order;

- First, to provide cover while Bilal Bhutto Zardari (BBZ) develops as the PPP's next generation leader and perhaps, one day a Pakistani PM or President. I think he's willing to go quite far for this, sort of like Sonia for Rahul.

- Second, build up the family and party war chest if the PA moves on them and they're forces into a prolonged period in opposition/exile/prison.

- Third, to make sure he isn't removed from power by any means other than elections in order to chip just a tiny bit of the fear of the Army away and establish some new precedents in Pakistani politics.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 23 Jun 2012 02:43

ArmenT wrote:ramana, ssridhar: You guys sure do know your islamic traditions. Until I read your posts, I thought Zulfiqar was Bhutto's first name. I was not aware that it was a sword too.

It was the name of the sword of Ali, Mohammed's Grandson, the first Shia martyr. Its rather distinctive looking with a little notch at the tip as you can see here.

Its Dhulfiqar in Arabic, but the Persians dont like that sound and changed it to Zulfiqar, as did those they influenced.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jun 2012 02:44

Zardari will be one of the the Founding fathers and first Head of new State to be soon known as Republic of Sindh and Balochistan.
US considers launching joint US-Afghan raids in Pakistan
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... n-pakistan

U.S. military and intelligence officials are so frustrated with Pakistan's failure to stop local militant groups from attacking Americans in neighboring Afghanistan that they have considered launching secret joint U.S.-Afghan commando raids into Pakistan to hunt them down, officials said.But the idea, which U.S. officials say comes up every couple of months, has been consistently rejected because the White House believes the chance of successfully rooting out the deadly Haqqani network would not be worth the intense diplomatic blowback from Pakistan that inevitably would ensue, according to Fox News.Members of the Haqqani tribe have been targeted by pilotless U.S. drone aircraft, but sending American and Afghan troops into Pakistan would be a serious escalation of the hunt for terrorists and potentially the final straw for Pakistan, already angered over what it sees as U.S. violations of its sovereignty.The Al Qaeda-allied Haqqani tribe runs a mafia-like smuggling operation and occasionally turns to terrorism with the aim of controlling its territory in eastern Afghanistan. The Haqqanis use Pakistani towns to plan, train and arm themselves with guns and explosives, cross into Afghanistan to attack NATO and Afghan forces, then retreat back across the border to safety.The latest round of debate over whether to launch clandestine special operations raids into Pakistan against the Haqqanis came after the June 1 car bombing of Forward Operating Base Salerno in eastern Afghanistan that injured up to 100 U.S. and Afghan soldiers, according to three current and two former U.S. officials who were briefed on the discussions. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the still-evolving debates.The officials told an American News agency that recent discussions of clandestine ground attacks have included Gen. John Allen, the senior U.S. commander in Afghanistan, as well as top CIA and special operations officials.Allen's spokesman, Navy Cmdr. Brook DeWalt, said Allen "has not and does not intend to push for a cross-border operation."he White House and the CIA declined to comment for this story.Pentagon spokesman George Little said the U.S. was still focused on U.S.-Pakistan cooperation."The key is to work together with Pakistan to find ways of fighting terrorists who threaten both the United States and Pakistan, including along the Afghan-Pakistan border, where extremists continue to plot attacks against coalition forces and innocent civilians," he said.
The officials say options that have been prepared for President Barack Obama's review included raids that could be carried out by U.S. special operations forces together with Afghan commandos, ranging from air assaults that drop raiders deep inside the tribal areas to hit top leaders to shorter dashes only a few miles into Pakistan territory.The shorter raids would not necessarily be covert, as they could be carried out following the U.S. military principle known as "hot pursuit" that military officials say entitles their forces to pursue a target that attacks them in Afghanistan up to 6.2 miles inside a neighboring country's territory.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jun 2012 03:40

Diminishing Punjab
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Farid Pirzada from Bahawalpur, on the other hand, deprecated my view that the British rule of over 90 years was the best period in Punjab’s history. He termed it ‘enslavement of the people of Punjab’. He also wanted me to clarify as to when and how Bahawalpur was annexed into Punjab. Punjab has always been ruled by foreign invaders and the only indigenous people to rule over Punjab were the Sikhs who ruled Punjab for a short period of 48 years. Bahawalpur was part of the Durrani Empire and then became part of Ranjit Singh’s domain. In July 1799 AD, Ranjit Singh seized Lahore and was confirmed governor by Shah Zaman, the Afghan king having nominal suzerainty over Punjab.
Ranjit Singh declared independence in 1801 AD and consolidated his power in Punjab, Peshawar and Kashmir. His ambitions in the east were checked by the British with whom he signed the Treaty of Amritsar in 1809 AD, fixing Sutlej as the boundary of his territories. In order to escape repeated extortions by the Sikhs, Bahawal Khan III of Bahawalpur sought protection of the British and accordingly signed a Treaty in 1833. Farid should know his ancestors had little choice; independence was not an option. They preferred British suzerainty over the Sikh rule – a wise decision.
Assraff Rashit Siddiqi
Islamabad

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Jun 2012 07:42

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on Friday, the day of the Mohammadden Sabbath, results in the killing of two clerics by motorcycle borne assassins in Karachi.

What is it about the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday that results in frequent episodes of Intra-Mohammadden violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country ostensible created to be a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent?

Is this a case of sectarian Shia versus Sunni violence or is this a case of intra-Sunni sub-sectarian Barelvi versus Deobandi violence? With apparently so many excuses for killing each other in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan it is difficult to keep track of the nuances!

2 killed seminary teachers identified

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Jun 2012 07:47

No Country for Armed Men: Pakistan is in such bad shape, even the generals don't want to stage a coup.BY AHMED RASHID

Pakistan responds to failed state index