Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jun 2012 08:35

Rony wrote:This is how the saudi barbarians treat the pakis and bangladeshis and yet these morons treat the Arabs as next only to Allah ! What a shameless creatures these pakis and beedis are !

Surprise this mental slave did not claim that he is Syed too just like that Saudi god giving the slave full honor of kissing his hand and foot. OTOH,Saudi was speaking the language of the Jannat to provide a glimpse of the Nazara waiting for Ajalaf Mwali.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 25 Jun 2012 08:42

sum wrote: The article has now been removed.

Still available

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Jun 2012 08:44

newstatesman.com wrote:he was rewarded with a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize

huh..a nomination itself is a reward.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Jun 2012 08:52

kenop wrote:
sum wrote: The article has now been removed.
Still available

Thanks...seems to be back up now.
Truely a must read article and surprising that it is coming from the Hindu camp.

His successor, Muhammad Zaheer-ul-Islam, has made no similar public pronouncements, but there are signs his thinking isn’t far different. The ISI’s media and political divisions have been revitalised. Its Kashmir operations division, led by Zaheer-ul-Islam appointee Major-General Isfandiyar Ali Khan Pataudi, is also going through a thorough-going reorganisation. India’s intelligence services fear the organisation could resume more aggressive support for jihadist groups in coming months.

History offers some insight into which of these two tendencies might win. Indians — and not a few Pakistanis —harbour the illusion that Pakistan is a secular state besieged by religious extremists. In fact, the Pakistani state’s secularism disintegrated in 1973, a year scholar Ali Eteraz has described as the country’s “Iran moment”. The Constitution brought into force that year decreed that “sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone.” The state was, among other things, enjoined to promote “observance of the Islamic moral standards”.

From the work of scholars like C. Christine Fair, we know this: Pakistan’s officer corps is increasingly drawn not from the traditional elite, but from the same social classes behind the country’s resurgent religious right. Though modernist in its embrace of private sector education, women’s literacy and technology, the new middle class which makes up the backbone of the army is also profoundly authoritarian and anti-democratic in its politics — using Islam as a language to assert claims to political power, and build the social alliances needed to deliver it.

Exactly what BRF had been saying all this while!!

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 25 Jun 2012 09:59

Yellows are learning from their paymasters' poodle...the art of taqiya.

I remember reading a well written article that starts with 'Is Jesus really a historical figure?' the first few paragraphs are exactly what a atheist would write..when the reader is drawn in, then the real propaganda follows from para 3.

This appears to be one such trick...pull them in then MKB types can do the conversion..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2012 10:14

The high church attacks the low church PA and kills 8 of them

Over 100 Taliban fighters crossed over from Afghanistan and attacked military posts in Upper Dir area of northwest Pakistan, triggering clashes that left eight soldiers and 15 militants dead, officials said today. Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan said the Afghan Taliban carried out the attacks.

The Pakistani Taliban helped with reconnaissance and information before the attack, Ehsan told CNN.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2012 10:46

Turbulent times for Pakistan - G.Parthasarathy in New Indian Express

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2012 16:10

Pakistan's Impending Defeat in Afghanistan - Ashley J Tellis

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Jun 2012 17:31

Paki vigilance, HS&D in troubled regions to improve 1000% after Ministry issues guidelines for foreigners visiting Peshawar, FATA

submit their requests at least 12 working days in advance for security clearance.

all NGO and aid workers travelling to Peshawar and Tribal Areas

nor would they be permitted to contact or take an interview with tribal elders

foreigners would not be allowed to carry any weapon or prohibited material during their journey

Questions for the learned maualanas:

1. Do Britpakis qualify as "foreigners"?
2. What constitutes as a "working day" in paki-forever-on-the-boil-land?
3. Prohibited material? Meaning cameras, polio vaccines and religio-promotional literature?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Jun 2012 17:34

Read between the lines. Extra-curricular activities urged

Dean of Academics Dr Younus Javed on Sunday said that co- and extra-curricular activities play a very important role in building a sound personality and a successful human being.

This is how we will grow as a nation

"Sound" = Dhamakas
"Successful human being" = a paki who meets his 72

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 25 Jun 2012 18:26

What has this guy Tellis got against our comrade Lal Salaam Bhadrakumar? Why is he giving him heart attacks? After all our comrade has been so happy praising the jehadi terrorist TSPA for being so clever, so strategic and so tactically brilliant...and then this sort of negative propaganda comes to pour cold water on such prophecies..

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Jun 2012 21:01

SSridhar wrote:The high church attacks the low church PA and kills 8 of them
Over 100 Taliban fighters crossed over from Afghanistan and attacked military posts in Upper Dir area of northwest Pakistan, triggering clashes that left eight soldiers and 15 militants dead, officials said today. Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan said the Afghan Taliban carried out the attacks.

The Pakistani Taliban helped with reconnaissance and information before the attack, Ehsan told CNN.

What was not reported is that a Captain and 5 TFTAs were lined up and beheaded!!

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Jun 2012 21:13

Anujan wrote:
SSridhar wrote:The high church attacks the low church PA and kills 8 of them

What was not reported is that a Captain and 5 TFTAs were lined up and beheaded!!

It seems the count is 7 not 6. And from the video it looks like these are no Frontier Constabulary pandus but TFTA martial ghazis of PA armed with US equipment.

http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/5 ... NTPAGE%7Cp

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Jun 2012 21:23

Now I am really confused with the pakiarmy-paki.tellibunny-afghanarmy-afghan.tellibunni-militants-alkeeda-goodcop-badcop thing. Who is who in this new soap opera?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Jun 2012 21:43

Latest attack was by Mullah Fazlullah (Mullah FM radio -- he ran a FM radio, I am not joking) of Swat. Mullah FM was a great TFTA ally who signed a peace treaty with him (negotiated by Musharraf) in return for a promise that he would attack only Afghanistan. However the FM station and pretty much running the show in Swat proved to be an embarassment to the Pakis and under US pressure they attacked him again:

Mullah FM in full glory with his resplendent beard

Mr FM has several grudges against TFTAs, chief among them being that TFTAs abrogated a peace treaty they had signed with him attacked his empire in Swat and killed many of his family and comrades. He now lives in Afghanistan and periodically clashes with TFTAs

The TFTAs have declared several victories over him, including the time when they photoshopped Ashphuck into a scene in Swat (into which yours truly also photoshopped some missing elements)

How Kayani would look if he were to visit Swat. A Pakistan Army Photoshop Artist's perspective. Kayani's nuclear briefcase is carried by the Djinn floating in the back.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 25 Jun 2012 22:24

Anujan wrote:What was not reported is that a Captain and 5 TFTAs were lined up and beheaded!!

Is this fundamentalism or extremism?

schmidt of googal wrote:The Army Generals explained the difference between fundamentalism (which they support) and extremism (which they fight),

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 25 Jun 2012 22:42

Raja Bose wrote: http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/5 ... NTPAGE%7Cp

Nuggets:

militants from Afghanistan crossed the border in the northwestern Pakistan's Upper Dir region Sunday night and clashed with Pakistan forces on a patrol.
militants cross from pakistan to afghanistan to kill NATO farces. militants from Afghanistan cross the border to kill paki farces. Perhaps Pakis should use their superior drone afghan terrorists same way as amrikhans are doing on this side

"We have strongly protested and I will, too, God willing, talk about this to Karzai," said Ashraf, speaking in Karachi.
If Karzai doesn't answer the phone that means God was not willing to listen to Pakis

The deputy border police commander for eastern Afghanistan, Maj. Mohammad Ayub Hassainkhail, said the Pakistani military informed police Monday that one of their patrols was missing. He said they told the Pakistani officials they had no information about any Pakistani military near their checkpoints, but said it is a long border.
There were no Paki farces at the checkpoint, so no body can miss. BTW, why would Paki farces approach Afghan police for missing people? Were they worried about defections? Does it mean Afghans are greener than Paki greens

"They have plenty of militants on their side. Why would the militants cross over from Afghanistan? I strongly reject this claim that any militants crossed over from Afghanistan to Pakistan and did this," he said.

In another development elsewhere in the troubled region, a top Pakistani Taliban commander in South Waziristan said Monday that he would not allow any polio vaccinations in his territory until the U.S. stops drone attacks in the region. Maulvi Nazir said in a statement emailed to reporters that all organizations doing immunizations should stop immediately.
What is the relationship between drone attacks and polio vaccinations?
A: Taliban

suspicion in Pakistan ever since it became known that a Pakistani doctor ran a fake vaccination program to help the CIA track down Osama bin Laden.
Now I understand MMS's chanikyan strategy. Yindoo electricity and water supply will be contaminated with polio vaccine.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Jun 2012 23:10

Afghanistan is learning quickly. Two can play this game of non-actors attacking uniformed actors. The Pakis think, they will have an easy way to power in Afghanistan, even as they sit cozy in Pindi eating channa. But then the border is porous.

If Afghans would have to bear daily terrorist attacks, then the Pakis too can bear a few!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Jun 2012 23:19

Anujan wrote:

How Kayani would look if he were to visit Swat. A Pakistan Army Photoshop Artist's perspective. Kayani's nuclear briefcase is carried by the Djinn floating in the back.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 25 Jun 2012 23:23

RamaY wrote:
"We have strongly protested and I will, too, God willing, talk about this to Karzai," said Ashraf, speaking in Karachi.
If Karzai doesn't answer the phone that means God was not willing to listen to Pakis

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 25 Jun 2012 23:34

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18586978

Seven Pakistani soldiers have been beheaded after being seized by Taliban militants close to the Afghan border on Sunday, security officials say.

Four other soldiers remain missing after the reported cross-border attack involving 100 heavily armed militants.

The soldiers were on patrol in the north-western district of Upper Dir.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 Jun 2012 23:49

goonga behra forum jihadis are pretty silent on this news I am really shocked. No outrage no anger absolutely nothing whats going on lurkers

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Jun 2012 00:04

Brad Goodman wrote:goonga behra forum jihadis are pretty silent on this news I am really shocked. No outrage no anger absolutely nothing whats going on lurkers

Even the wkks there are not empathizing?

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 26 Jun 2012 00:16

Panel Discussion - Will Abu Hamza's arrest expose the LeT-Pak ISI links? | NDTV Video

With the arrest of the suspected 26/11 handler Abu Hamza, India will be in a position to put Pakistan under pressure, who had earlier claimed that he had been arrested. Pakistan will now have to elaborate on how this man was then allegedly travelling to Saudi Arabia and other countries in recent months.

Mr. Raman makes a very important point that rather than fooling ourselves into believing that the Puki ISI will indict itself in the trial we should be more worried about the next mass casualty terrorist attack being planned by ISI. He says so because Abu Hamza was claimed by Pukis to be in their custody. Abu Hamza's frequent visits to India point to a case study for the next plot.

I couldn't agree more.

I'm concerned about the fallout of this on the Aman ka Tamasha being done by Dr. MMS.

His counterpart, Mr. Gilani, has already been sent home packing on the grounds of "being not a good mohammedan" by Paki CJ (whose son is himself a corrupt goon).

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 26 Jun 2012 00:19

anupmisra wrote:Now I am really confused with the pakiarmy-paki.tellibunny-afghanarmy-afghan.tellibunni-militants-alkeeda-goodcop-badcop thing. Who is who in this new soap opera?

This is an area where people from the same sub-tribe of Yusufzai Pashtuns live on both sides of the border with lots of back and forth migration, so distinguishing between Pakistani and Afghan Taliban is pretty much meaningless.

If the PA isnt getting on well with one, they're not going to get on well with the other.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 26 Jun 2012 00:28

I will be starting a Pakistan Army thread on the strat forum. The thread on the Mil forum tends to focus more on weapons (performance, procurement, production, etc) tactics, etc.

This thread will serve to collect and keep the more political and strategic stuff - the power struggles, promotions, retirements, scandals, morale, important current operations, etc.

While most of this appears on the general Pakistan thread, the thread as a whole moves too fast, and is a little too broad to act as a really good repository and resource.

I know some people may feel that the last thing that's needed is yet another Pakistan thread, but this is after all the most important institutional political player in the country, and arguably the institution which has the biggest problem with India.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 26 Jun 2012 00:41

"They have plenty of militants on their side. Why would the militants cross over from Afghanistan? I strongly reject this claim that any militants crossed over from Afghanistan to Pakistan and did this," he said.

Love the way Afghanis talk back to pukis

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jun 2012 04:20

The Siachen key
This Poaq Sounds Like One of Our own RNI Media Dork

If the peace process and the diplomatic engagement between India and Pakistan have to inch forward incrementally towards reaching the pinnacle of Kashmir, then there, perhaps, is no better Confidence Building Measure (CBM) than effecting a thaw in the frosty diplomatic immobility over Siachen. Manifestly, this is easier said than done. As the June 11-12 parleys between the Defence Secretaries of the two countries held at Islamabad indicate the level of inflexibility in the Indian stance over options to bring the area to status quo ante that prevailed when the Indian army launched Operation Meghdoot to occupy the Saltoro Ridge, defining the south western limit of Siachen Glacier, has only gone up several notches. A major factor contributing to the hardening of Indian stance is an entrenched opposition by the Indian army to stymie its government’s initiatives to clinch a deal on Siachen. As is becoming evident, the Indian army has emerged as a major stakeholder in defining the parameters of the Indo-Pak dialogue process; effectively challenging the political writ of the government. ( Phoki Paki Dhamki)The AGPL delineation is unacceptable because it amounts to legitimising the Indian aggression in Siachen; an area that was left unmarked due to terrain difficulties when the UN sponsored Karachi Agreement in 1949, marked the Ceasefire Line (CFL) in Kashmir on cessation of hostilities. The terminus then was a benchmark called NJ 9842 beyond which the boundary line was not extended towards the Chinese border by military commanders of the two countries. Siachen, with its unalienable linkages with the Kashmir issue, provides an ample test case to evaluate the Indo-Pak capability in resolving their problemsbilaterally .Many apprehensions, mostly untenable, have been proffered to justify the Indian intransigence to demilitarise Siachen. A major one being that Pakistan could occupy the Saltoro ridgeline and its passes in case the glacier is demilitarised. This is hardly tenable; reflecting a fossilised Indian mindset steeped in suspicion and mistrust. Technology for monitoring troop concentrations and movements has undergone radical transformation and ironclad guarantees, including third parties’ involvement, can be incorporated in the agreement to preclude violations. Then there is the presence of the UN Military Observers Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP), which has been mandated by the UNSC through its resolutions to monitor CFL (now called LoC) separating the two armies in Kashmir. By incorporating the available technology, they, under the authority of the UN mandate, can keep an effective watch over the glacier as the troops vacate the disputed area. Many solutions are available to resolve the embedded problems, but first India will have to let go of lame excuses that have effectively grounded all efforts to bilaterally solve major issues topped by Kashmir. Siachen can provide the key to bilaterally finding a way to clean the Augean stables of Indo-Pak disputes

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Jun 2012 04:29

This guy must be taken to a academy to show him that after 1971 the UN is no longer relevant in Kashmir.
Pakistan in 1972 is not the same as Pakistan in 1947 or 1948. Hence all the agreement are new for the new Pakistan of 1972.

A major factor contributing to the hardening of Indian stance is an entrenched opposition by the Indian army to stymie its government’s initiatives to clinch a deal on Siachen. As is becoming evident, the Indian army has emerged as a major stakeholder in defining the parameters of the Indo-Pak dialogue process; effectively challenging the political writ of the government.

Looks like he also knows how the govt works inside India. Why is he bothered about who makes the decision.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jun 2012 04:35

Decline of moral values
Anuswar Syed ( Moral Pakistan has more Syeds than whole poapulation of Saudi Arabia)

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_3

Muslims in Pakistan will kill and die to defend the Prophet’s (PBUH) honour but they are not willing to take his advice in ordering their lives.There are indications that moral values are in a state of decline in Pakistan. We heard of students taking the matriculation examination at various places in Sindh who asserted their right to cheat.Other types of ghastly perpetrations are taking place every day. Young girls, as little as less than ten years of age, are kidnapped, raped, tortured, and then killed. In some cases, their bodies have been chopped up and limbs scattered indiscriminately at different locations. It is not only the deprived sections of the community that resort to malpractices.Many of the high and the mighty steal from banks; they borrow large sums of money, which they have no intention ever to return. They use their influence to get these loans written off as bad debts.Our moral values are mostly homegrown but some of them may have been imported from other cultures. We in this country tend to think that they have come to us from Islam. Actually, many of them have had universal acceptance and application in uncounted centuries before the advent of Mohammad’s (PBUH) prophet hood (610 AD).With a few exceptions they are common to all of the major religions. Hinduism is one of the exceptions in that it rejects the notion of basic moral equality of all persons. It places them in gradations of a hierarchical order. Islam, on the other hand, asserts the entitlement of all persons to equal protection of the law. It discourages not only the concentration of wealth in a few hands but also accumulation.In another line of its dimensions, Islam encourages the dissemination and creation of knowledge. The Prophet is reported to have enjoined Muslims to acquire knowledge even if they had to go to China for it.( News for Poaq, Chinese were coming to India for acquiring , gaining Knowledge at the Prophet's time )In another line of its dimensions, Islam encourages the dissemination and creation of knowledge. The Prophet is reported to have enjoined Muslims to acquire knowledge even if they had to go to China for it. China at that time was not the place where Islamic studies had thrived or even surfaced. He was evidently asking Muslims to acquire knowledge of the physical, biological and social sciences. This was a dramatic change from traditional thinking. China at that time was not the place where Islamic studies had thrived or even surfaced. He was evidently asking Muslims to acquire knowledge of the physical, biological and social sciences. This was a dramatic change from traditional thinking.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 26 Jun 2012 05:26

Jhujar wrote:Decline of moral values
Anuswar Syed ( Moral Pakistan has more Syeds than whole poapulation of Saudi Arabia)

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_3

I guess the wise professor has proven that all Pakis are not good muslims! If that is the case, I wonder how the CJ can declare al-Groper to be not a good muslim.

PBUH had encouraged muslims to seek knowledge from all corners of the world. (I thought all the knowledge one needed to know was in the book). Pakistan, with a high illiteracy rate, is clearly not following the teachings of PBUH and hence they should be ashamed that they are not good muslims!

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 26 Jun 2012 05:32

Pranay wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18586978

Seven Pakistani soldiers have been beheaded after being seized by Taliban militants close to the Afghan border on Sunday, security officials say.

Four other soldiers remain missing after the reported cross-border attack involving 100 heavily armed militants.

The soldiers were on patrol in the north-western district of Upper Dir.

So, the Taliban wage jihad and eliminate the uniformed Paki army who are fighting Jihad in the way of allah? What gives? Or is it the mysterious ways to justify 'inshallah'. The Taliban cannot be muslims. Muslims do not kill muslims!

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Jun 2012 05:52

Acharya wrote:This guy must be taken to a academy to show him that after 1971 the UN is no longer relevant in Kashmir.
Pakistan in 1972 is not the same as Pakistan in 1947 or 1948. Hence all the agreement are new for the new Pakistan of 1972.
A major factor contributing to the hardening of Indian stance is an entrenched opposition by the Indian army to stymie its government’s initiatives to clinch a deal on Siachen. As is becoming evident, the Indian army has emerged as a major stakeholder in defining the parameters of the Indo-Pak dialogue process; effectively challenging the political writ of the government.
Looks like he also knows how the govt works inside India. Why is he bothered about who makes the decision.

May the gods grant that pakis keep up the arrogant hectoring bossy tone they use in their opinion and editorials.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Jun 2012 06:53

AoA. K'rachi TV station attacked

Taliban attack television office in Karachi; two injured

Gunmen on motorcycles opened fire at the offices of a television news channel in Karachi on Monday, wounding two people, including a security guard, police officials said.

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)

We had informed the management of Aaj TV to include our view on issues, but the channel had become a mouthpiece of the government

Geo TV is going to be our next target

And, the usual condemnations:

The Prime Minister said that the government will ensure freedom of media and will not tolerate such incidents

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Jun 2012 07:11

Where's the towels thread when you need one.

Shia community agglomerated by a corps de ballet of survival
Not my words but the words of a paki wordsmith who goes by the name of Ali Salman Alvi

It is an indoctrination of vulnerable minds with hatred and ‘holy’ violence, thus perpetrating a fresh breed of militants, intoxicated by absolute intolerance for those who dare to differ with their ideology Whoa! Thats a mouthful!

Peace is fast becoming a distant dream amidst the aberrant state of affairs in Pakistan; almost everyday people are killed in the name of religion, ethnicity, enmity and honor

Instead of persecuting the militants carrying out these terrorist activities, government is found pandering to the militants behind such killings, hence emboldening the killers and instilling terror and insecurity in all religious minorities.

Shia populace, by far, has been the most affected community at the hands of these incessant killings in a bid to establish shari’ah in the region.

This is despite the gravity of the deteriorating situation of law and order pertaining to the minorities’ persecution in general and Shia killings in particular.

the mainstream electronic and print media have also turned a blind eye to the frequency and ferocity of these events

members of Shia community have been inexorably massacred in Pakistan since the late 1980s by a group of terrorists, now known as Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jamaat

That was for the sake of spearheading Zia’s strategy ‘to teach Pakistani Shias a lesson’ after they had refused to pay zakat to his regime.

From 1987 to 2011, as many as 5,000 Shias are estimated to have been killed in order to establish ‘real’ shari’ah in the land of pure by the hotheaded Islamists.

Heaps of decrees released by radical clerics at different times, declaring Shias as ‘infidels’ and thus liable to be killed, have only added fuel to flames

Wasn't Djinnah a Shi'a? Weren't Shi'as in the forefront of the pa'astan movement? Why are they complaining now, especially when the shoe is on the other foot? How times have changed. It was not that long ago when Paki Shi'as were in the forefront of declaring Ahmadis as kufars and fit for wajib el-cutlet.

the questionable role played by Pakistani Shias against Ahmadiyya Muslims.

In fact, both the communities were together against the Ahmedis in the 1950s, and then in the early 1990s. (Marvi Sirmed)

Until recently, Pakistan’s Shias did not have the self-image of a religious minority. They had joined Sunnis in supporting Mr Bhutto’s 1974 decision to declare Ahmadis as non-Muslim. But now they are worried. (Pervez Hoodbhoy)

Token participation and appropriation of Shias can also be found in General Zia’s Shura and federal cabinet.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Jun 2012 07:23

Based on the falling out between the Sunnis and the Shi'as in pa'astan, it is time to recall the prominent role Shi'as played in the early / formative years of the land of the pure. The bottom line is, please don't weep for the ones who complain today for they were themselves the tormentors of yesteryears.

Pakistan’s Transition from Shia to Sunni Leadership

Pakistan’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, was an Ismaili by birth and a Twelver Shia by confession, though not a religiously observant man. He had studied at the Inns of Court in London and was better versed in English law than in Shia jurisprudence, was never seen at an Ashoura procession, and favored a wardrobe that often smacked as much of Savile Row as of South Asia. Yet insofar as he was Muslim and a spokesman for Muslim nationalism, it was as a Shia. His coreligionists played an important role in his movement, and over the years many of Pakistan’s leaders were Shias, including:

1. one the country’s first governor-generals,
2. three of its first prime ministers,
3. two of its military leaders (Generals Iskandar Mirza and Yahya Khan),
4. its leading public officials, landowners, industrialists, artists, and intellectuals.
5. Two later prime ministers, the ill-fated Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and his Radcliffe-educated, currently exiled daughter, Benazir Bhutto, were also Shia.

About Pinky: Feeling the wind shift in the 1990s, Benazir styled herself a Sunni, but her Iranian mother, her husband from a big Shia landowning family, and her father’s name, the name of Ali’s twin-bladed sword, make her Shia roots quite visible. In a way, Benazir’s self-reinvention as a Sunni tells the tale of how secular nationalism’s once solid-seeming promise has given way like a rotten plank beneath the feet of contemporary Pakistan’s beleaguered Shia minority.

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Jun 2012 07:31

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been set up as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, being Mohammadden offers no protection from being predated upon by one’s own co-religionists for religious reasons if one has the misfortune of belonging to a minority sect.

Yet more Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence in Karachi sees a member of the minority Ahmadi / Ahmadiyya sect of Mohamaddenism killed by co-religionists:

Violence: Ahmadi man attacked on Sunday was target of threats

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 26 Jun 2012 08:13

anupmisra wrote:Based on the falling out between the Sunnis and the Shi'as in pa'astan, it is time to recall the prominent role Shi'as played in the early / formative years of the land of the pure. The bottom line is, please don't weep for the ones who complain today for they were themselves the tormentors of yesteryears.

Dont forget the role of Ahmedis either. They were the major funders.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2012 11:29

Abu Jundal's arrest: Pakistan says terror is a common concern

Disclaimer:

Pakistan has been in the forefront of fighting terrorism. It has been the biggest victim of terrorism since it began playing its part in the Global War on Terror. It has lost over 100,000 lives since 2001 in its determined effort to root out terrorism. It will be impossible to eliminate terrorism unless the root causes such as Kashmir dispute & water issues are resolved.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 26 Jun 2012 11:56

Cross post from Mumbai Terrorist Attack-News stories and timeline

Roperia wrote:Please read the following two articles, in TOI and NDTV, before saying Pukis may have helped in his arrest.

The pig was in Saudi Arabia to collect money and actively planning and recruiting for the next major terror attack.

Abu Hamza was in Saudi Arabia to gather funds for big terror strike; Pakistan tried to prevent his extradition: Sources

Abu Jundal was plotting new attack, recruiting terrorists for LeT