Indian Interests

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Jun 2012 06:45

Dont use the words Right and Left
Views from the Right

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These are marxist view and is used for creating dialectic view. They do not mean anything in Indian contaxt.
THey are false and create distortion and dangerous

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jun 2012 06:48

Those are newspaper headings. If he changes them he will be accused of distorting press publications by the "source" Nazis!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Jun 2012 06:56

THey are not newspaper heading. Plz click the links and find out.

He is trying to create a false image of the view point.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Jun 2012 07:47

This is from the e-paper version of the Indian Express. Please try to get your facts straight before accusing others of creating a "false image" of the viewpoint.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Jun 2012 09:27

Will India Implement The First "Executive Order 6102" Of The 21st Century?

Something strange has been happening in India in the last year: while the rest of the "developed" world has been doing all in its power to crush its currency in order to promote exports within a globalist mercantilist system suddenly gone haywire, India has had the opposite problem: with its economy slowing down even as rampant inflation persists, its currency has been sliding against all other currencies. But probably more importantly: plunging against gold, as can be seen on the chart enclosedIt appears that finally after months of "being long of Gold in Indian Rupee terms" having proven to be quite a resilient and profitable strategy, the Indian state has also figured it out. And they are unhappy. Because to them, the key reason for the rupee weakness has nothing to do with the actual economy, and all to do with the Indian population trying to protect against currency debasement coupled with inflation: i.e., purchasing gold. And they will no longer allow it.The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) is likely to clamp down on gold coin sales by banks, amid rising bullion imports adding pressure to the current account deficit and weakening the rupee.The Banking Regulation Act does not allow banks to trade in commodities and they play the role of a financial intermediary. This norm was relaxed in the pre-2008 era when the country saw a dollar influx that resulted in a sharp appreciation of the rupee. To sterilise dollar inflows, banks were allowed to sell gold, as they imported the yellow metal. The measure was temporary.Banks were allowed to sell gold by importing it to fight the excess dollar flows. By the same logic, the measure should be reversed now as we are at the opposite end of the spectrum. It was a temporary measure, which unfortunately was made permanent by banks,” a top RBI official said.
The rupee has depreciated 30 per cent since August amid the sovereign debt crisis in the euro zone, which made investors flee to safer havens. Weakening macroeconomic fundamentals like the fiscal and the current account deficit have resulted in investors pulling out from the Indian market.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/will-indi ... st-century

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 28 Jun 2012 16:46

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Jun 2012 17:22

^Is that maulana not in jail yet for 'mitana he namonishan of Hidus', or just that proactive EC has not bothered about it only because no one has bothered to complain?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Jun 2012 17:32

I think the Maulana is an intergral part of NCP- no way he can be touched.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 28 Jun 2012 17:47

vishvak wrote:^Is that maulana not in jail yet for 'mitana he namonishan of Hidus', or just that proactive EC has not bothered about it only because no one has bothered to complain?

The NCP has nominated four Muslim candidates — Labour Minister Nawab Malik (from Anushakti Nagar), Minister of State for Urban Development Hasan Mushrief (Kagal, Kolhapur), MLA Babajani Durrani (Pathri, Parbhani) and Syed Abdul Kadir Maulana (Aurangabad central).

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/commu ... s/522293/2

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Jun 2012 19:11

Harsh Mandir, Aformer member of NAC, Babu and Co trustee of Ghulam Nabi Fai.

Barefoot — Kandhamal: The aftermath

jiteshn · Post by **jiteshn** » 28 Jun 2012 19:56

The so called marathi manoos(NCP chief sharad pawar) himself has no love for his state then who are we to say anything.

Rural maharashtra is as nuts as northern kerala.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Jun 2012 22:17

Abundant patience needed in dealing with Pak: Krishna
Mantri Mahodya Mahagyanvaak

Ahead of the foreign secretary-level talks, India [ Images ] on Wednesday said abundant patience and perseverance were required in dealing with Pakistan, where many elements are using terror as an instrument of achieving certain objectives.External Affairs Minister S M Krishna [ Images ] said India had the "anxiety" of improving relations with Pakistan and there should be a sincere reciprocation from the other side, which continues to have a "selective" approach towards tackling terrorism.He observed that there were many elements in Pakistan who use terrorism as an "instrument to achieve short-term and long-term objectives" and it was too early to judge whether the "trust deficit" had been reduced, an aspect required to be monitored on continuous basis."While dealing with Pakistan, we need to be cautious. We need to have abundance of patience and perseverance," Krishna said.Referring to the talks between foreign secretaries in Delhi [ Images ] on July 4 and 5, Krishna made it clear that terrorism would be the focus of the meeting."Whenever there is a bilateral meeting, we have always focussed on terrorism and terror-related issues. We have been impressing upon Pakistan to come out openly to declare war on terrorism which should be across the board and not selective," the minister said during an interaction with journalists.Noting that Pakistan has been saying that it was also a victim of terrorism, he maintained going by "whatever experience" it has had, it should join hands with India so that terrorism is eliminated.To a question on when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [ Images ] would be visiting Pakistan, Krishna said that there was no such move in the near future.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 29 Jun 2012 05:58

Emergency Exit: Inder Malhotra

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jun 2012 06:37

abhishek_sharma wrote:Emergency Exit: Inder Malhotra

Its 37th anniversary went practically unnoticed in the country

There is a famous Sherlock Holmes story built around the master detective’s utter surprise, at a crime site, over the mystery of the dog that did not bark during the night. What suddenly reminded me of this was that the 37th anniversary of the Emergency came and went this week practically unnoticed by the country. Until very recently, on every June 26, there used to be a tremendous upsurge of protests across India. In Delhi, there used to be at least one major rally, organised by the BJP and usually addressed by L.K. Advani. Moreover, the anti-Emergency sentiment was voiced at any number of seminars and in angry newspaper articles and so on.

It would be untrue to say that absolutely no notice was taken of the Emergency this time around. But the fact remains that criticism of the horrendous event was confined to the internet. Some of the known critics of the Gandhi family and the present regime had posted their messages. One even argued that Pranab Mukherjee must not be elected president because of the Shah Commission’s strictures on his doings during the Emergency as minister of state for revenue. Also on the internet was a tribute to Jayaprakash Narayan, better known as JP, who had led the movement for Indira Gandhi’s ouster. But that was about all.

In the nearly dozen newspapers that I read, or at least scan, every day, the only reference to the Emergency I found was an author’s “regret” that since then most Indian writers and journalists have taken to “self-censorship” (‘A more docile writing’, IE, June 27). For the rest, the great Indian public was unmoved.

Let there be no mistake about it. The Emergency was one of the more squalid episodes in modern Indian history. It was nothing short of a 19-month nightmare. It took a very long time to flush out the poison it had injected into the body politic. In my biography of Indira Gandhi, published in 1989, I had called the Emergency her “cardinal sin”. In all my subsequent writings on the subject, I have seen no reason to change this assessment. At the same time, I have never hesitated to take note of what she was up against or of the people’s changing view of both her and the Emergency over the years.

On her 25th death anniversary in October 2009, as endless TV talk shows, colossal coverage in the print media and several public opinion polls showed, Indira Gandhi’s image was much more burnished than at any other time, except immediately after the heady victory in the Bangladesh War in 1971. What struck me most was that a decade earlier, the Indian chattering classes were not prepared to countenance even a single word favourable to her.

One of the main factors behind this change is Indian demography. Nearly two-thirds of the country’s population is below 35. It knows little about the Emergency and cares even less. But that is not the whole story. Thanks to increasing longevity, a huge number of those who lived under the Emergency and hated it are also around and active. Empirical evidence shows that many, though not all, of them have also changed their opinion.

For example, there is a growing view that Indira Gandhi alone cannot be blamed for the monstrous event in the mid-1970s. The Emergency, it is said, was “scripted jointly by Indira and JP”. The “authoritarianism” of mother and son and the “anarchy” sought to be unleashed by the Gandhian leader, were “but two sides of the same coin”, in the words of the premier sociologist, Andre Béteille. Eminent historian Bipan Chandra and Ramachandra Guha, author of India After Gandhi, broadly agree.

{All fellow travellers and Nehru family hagiographers! Bipin Chandra doesnt know history if it hits him. He is Marxist masquerading as a historian. If the UPSC examiners didnt demnad his type of writing no one would read his tripe.}

Then there is the rude reality that without any declaration of Emergency, horrible things have been happening in various parts of the country that sometimes overshadow the excesses of the Emergency. The Samajwadi Party leader, Mulayam Singh Yadav, cried himself hoarse during the last few years saying that the Mayawati government had unleashed in Uttar Pradesh terror worse than anything during the Emergency. Now others are saying the same thing about the state of affairs in UP under the government headed by his son, Akhilesh, and with good reason. Often the situation in other states, especially Tamil Nadu, West Bengal, Gujarat and Manipur, has been no different. There was a lament against corruption and extortion during the Emergency, no doubt. But what is happening in this department today would dwarf the Himalayas.

On one point there is hardly any disagreement: ugly the Emergency surely was. But under it India was never anything like Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, China under Mao or Pakistan under Zia. Perhaps that could explain why the Emergency, though unforgivable, is being forgotten.

The writer, a Delhi-based political commentator, is the author of ‘Indira Gandhi’, [email protected]

Inderji should have written the customary op-ed to mark the date.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Jun 2012 02:16

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Once-Fea ... 8323.shtml
Once Feared King Cobra Now Faces Extinction

Just recently, India's King Cobra was included in the “Red List of Threatened Species.” Apparently, this particular snake species, which happens to be the longest venomous one in the world, is threatened by two major issues: first of all, the continuous destruction of its natural habitat; secondly, by its being exploited by traditional Indian medicine. As well as this, countless King Cobras are still being killed either for food, or for their skin.
It is interesting that, even if the Indian King Cobra is a religious icon for the people living in this part of the world, so little is being done to ensure its survival.Recent studies indicate that quite a few representatives of this species are still left in the wild and that local communities show no signs of wanting to put an end to illegal killings.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 30 Jun 2012 10:19

Exclusive Extracts

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Jun 2012 15:27

Jhujar wrote:http://news.softpedia.com/news/Once-Fea ... 8323.shtml
Once Feared King Cobra Now Faces Extinction
Just recently, India's King Cobra was included in the “Red List of Threatened Species.” Apparently, this particular snake species, which happens to be the longest venomous one in the world, is threatened by two major issues: first of all, the continuous destruction of its natural habitat; secondly, by its being exploited by traditional Indian medicine. As well as this, countless King Cobras are still being killed either for food, or for their skin.
It is interesting that, even if the Indian King Cobra is a religious icon for the people living in this part of the world, so little is being done to ensure its survival.Recent studies indicate that quite a few representatives of this species are still left in the wild and that local communities show no signs of wanting to put an end to illegal killings.

What a load of Bull, used in traditional Indian medicine and being used as food in India. May be being Asian means the author thought Indian customs are like that of the Chinese.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Jul 2012 10:25

The dilemma of departure

MJ Akbar

WHAT is happening to Pranab Mukherjee is cruel but not unusual. It happens to popes, editors and chief executives as much as to former finance ministers.What is unusual, and different, in Pranab Mukherjee’s case is that his former boss is his successor, since Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has taken charge of the finance ministry now that Mukherjee is headed towards a more spacious residence in Delhi.After more than six decades of democracy, India’s political, economic and media elite still don’t seem to get how government works. Policy is the prerogative of cabinet.The prime minister cannot claim that he does not share responsibility for policy, domestic or foreign. Pranab Mukherjee did not make finance policy like some czar of an autonomous state. In fact, it could not have become policy without the prime minister’s approval.The minister’s task is implementation, and if Mukherjee fell short, it was often for reasons beyond his control.Take the much-hyped instance of foreign direct investment in retail. Let us set aside the point that we often behave as if India’s future lies in the presence or absence of a few Ikea or Walmart stores. It was not Mukherjee who aborted this decision. He lobbied for it harder than anyone else. He was stopped by the fact that his government did not have a majority behind this decision.Nor was it a case of only allies like Mamata Banerjee raising dust; strong sections of the Congress party were opposed, and made their displeasure public.
push ahead nevertheless would have meant the fall of Dr Singh’s government, and that was not a risk which either Dr Singh or Congress president Sonia Gandhi was ready to take. There is still insufficient political support for raising FDI limits to 49 per cent in insurance and pension.
Mukherjee himself argued that he could do little about the fiscal decisions taken by the Reserve Bank of India since itsgovernor D. Subbarao refused to listen to him, and the governor was both appointed and backed by the prime minister.What a minister is responsible for is implementation, and the argument can only be restricted to this. Dr Singh has asked the human beings in his finance ministry to go forth and find an ‘animal spirit’. We will learn soon enough which animal is going to provide the inspiration, and to which degree this spirit will be distilled.But the prime minister already has another and more difficult problem. Whether the animal spirit rears up or not, Mukherjee’s departure seems to have inspired rather large quantities of the animal instinct amongst cabinet ministers.There is a clutch of claimants for Mukherjee’s old job, and as various ministers cast an eye on the quality of the queue, they immediately join it. Vituperative conflicts are raging on the side, as big business pushes forward its preferred candidates.
These gentlemen (there are no ladies in line) are, in my view, making one big mistake. They are underestimating the prime minister. He has promised a cabinet reshuffle ‘soon’ but ‘soon’ has an elasticity that is equal to another four-letter word,‘wait’.Any dramatic shuffle is not possible before the votes for president are cast on July 19. After that comes the election for vice president which takes us to Aug 10. By this time the monsoon session of parliament will be under way.When this ends the climate will change, with the thermometer under the tongue of the crucial Gujarat elections. Come November, and all talk within government will turn to preparations for the next budget, due in February.While politics is the antonym of certainty, it is a good bet that prime Minister Singh will deliver his first budget after 1996.The beauty of this exercise is that the prime minister merely has to let time and a calendar he cannot change shape theagenda. Never forget that Dr Singh took a graduate course in politics from the Narasimha Rao University of Survival by Procrastination.
Those who have seen Pranab Mukherjee after he filed his nomination for president of India remark that they have never seen him so relieved and happy.The relief is that he has left the Delhi culture of power behind. The happiness is easier to understand: nothing foreseeable can prevent him from becoming the 13th resident of Rashtrapati Bhavan.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Jul 2012 22:25

World Hindu Economic Conference 2012

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abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Jul 2012 02:48

Revisiting Shimla: Inder Malhotra

Many still wonder how India’s most clear-eyed and hard-headed PM agreed to trust Bhutto’s word

On July 2 falls the 40th anniversary of the Shimla Agreement. Some may ask, pertinently enough, whether there is any point in harking back to this accord when the great expectation of a brave new era of a lasting peace between India and Pakistan it had aroused was smashed by Pakistan’s then prime minister, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. He had brazenly reneged on the solemn word he had given to Indira Gandhi. Even so, there are good reasons to look back on what happened in the summer of 1972.

First, the younger generation that constitutes a majority of the Indian population hardly knows anything about Shimla, even if it is vaguely aware of the 1971 war for the liberation of Bangladesh, to which the Shimla summit was the natural sequel. Second, as was perhaps to be expected, in the run up to its 40th anniversary, Pakistan has once again started a barrage of propaganda to deny that Bhutto ever gave any verbal assurance to his Indian counterpart. Facts may be on our side but our Pakistani friends are on a stronger wicket. For, as US movie mogul Sam Goldwyn famously said, an oral agreement is “not worth the paper it is written on”.

P.N. Dhar, who had headed the PM’s secretariat from 1970 to 1977, first published a candid and detailed account of the talks between the two PMs well after the Shimla negotiations were declared a “failure”. He even quoted Bhutto’s exact words — “aap mujh par bharosa keejiye (please do trust me)”. Almost immediately there was an avalanche of disdainful denials from across the border. Close to the bone, however, was an article by Humayun Gohar. While praising Bhutto’s “diplomatic artistry”, he wrote: “Face it Mr Dhar, even if we accept what you say, Mr Bhutto fooled your prime minister”.

In view of this, it is all the more necessary to go over everything that happened so that hereafter negotiators of this country do not repeat the mistakes made then. Excessive trust devoid of verification or even caution has been the cause of severe disappointment in our dealings with the western neighbour. Large-scale infiltrations into Kashmir, the prelude to the 1965 war, began five days after the signing of the Kutch agreement. In 1999 the attack on Kargil occurred within weeks of the Lahore Summit between Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Nawaz Sharif. What lends a sharper edge to all this is the present Pakistani government’s persistent denial of the very existence of the understandings on Kashmir reached through the “back channel” by PM Manmohan Singh and the then Pakistan president, General Pervez Musharraf.

During the last few months an atmosphere of promise and hope had been created again by encouraging developments such as an agreement on trade, an agreement ready for signatures on the reform of the restrictive visa system and a meeting of minds on Sir Creek. It was first dented by Pakistan’s (in fact, its army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani’s) insistence that demilitarisation of Siachen must take precedence over all other matters. This, as Defence Minister A.K. Antony has made clear in Parliament, is unacceptable to India. Now, Islamabad’s shocking reaction to Abu Jundal’s damning disclosures about 26/11 has made the situation fraught, and it could get worse.

In the Bangladesh War, India’s victory was decisive. Pakistan’s defeat was complete. The 93,000 Pakistani troops that laid down their arms at Dhaka (the largest surrender since World War II) were in Indian custody. Nearly 5,000 square miles of Pakistani territory were also in this country’s possession. These were powerful leverages, and many blame Indira Gandhi for not using them to the full. There may be something in this assertion, but the reality is that the custody of 93,000 Pakistani soldiers was a big problem for the Indian army too. An equal number of its officers and men had to vacate their accommodation and live in tents to house the prisoners properly. Moreover, under the Geneva Convention, PoWs cannot be held beyond a time.

A unique feature of Shimla was that it was the first occasion when, after a war, India and Pakistan were negotiating peace by themselves. After the first Kashmir War (1947-48) the UN was the virtual arbiter of the ceasefire and party to delineating the ceasefire line. After the 1965 war, the Soviet Union played an intermediary role at Tashkent.

India’s main objective at Shimla was to get a final solution to the vexed Kashmir issue. To this end, it got Bhutto’s agreement to convert the UN-sponsored ceasefire line into the Line of Control. This much is part and parcel of the Shimla Agreement. The agreement also includes a commitment by both sides to respect the LoC and not to try to change it by the use of force or threat of use of force, “without prejudice to the basic position of either side”.

The nub of the matter at this stage was to have a credible commitment by Bhutto “gradually” to change this line (he at one stage suggested it may be called the “Line of Peace”) into an international border. That is where his plea that he could not commit himself to this in writing and his word should be trusted came in. Indira Gandhi accepted it. Later, when she and Bhutto disclosed their agreement to their respective top advisers, P.N. Dhar demurred and she frowned on him.

In the Indian strategic community and among many informed foreigners there is a consensus that the Indian delegation was in the thrall of “Versailles Syndrome” — never to treat a defeated enemy too harshly, as the allied powers treated Germany after World War I. However, many still wonder how India’s most clear-eyed and hardheaded PM agreed to trust Bhutto’s word.

Many years later I took this question to her confidant, the legendary spymaster R. N. Kao. To my surprise he answered it frankly and allowed me to quote him. “I am also totally surprised”, he said. “Before leaving for Shimla, she had asked me ‘Can I trust Bhutto? People tell me that if I shake hands with him, I should immediately count my fingers’.”

The writer is a Delhi-based political commentator.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 02 Jul 2012 05:55

abhishek_sharma wrote:Revisiting Shimla: Inder Malhotra

Many still wonder how India’s most clear-eyed and hard-headed PM agreed to trust Bhutto’s word

...In the Indian strategic community and among many informed foreigners there is a consensus that the Indian delegation was in the thrall of “Versailles Syndrome” — never to treat a defeated enemy too harshly, as the allied powers treated Germany after World War I. However, many still wonder how India’s most clear-eyed and hardheaded PM agreed to trust Bhutto’s word.

Actually the comparison to Versailles is a good one. The German Army *started and lost* the war, but handed overt power to the civilians as soon as it was clear the end was near. The civilians then had the messy job of cleaning up the mess and negotiating a peace deal. The German Army then turns around and starts talking about a 'stab in the back' and the liberals who were responsible for defeat, setting the stage for the next war.

I'm not sure the problem was with Bhutto's personal interests and intentions regarding Simla were untrustworthy. Its that he was passing phenomenon, a shooting star. If security agreements are ever to be made with Pakistan, it has to be made with the Army, and its permanent establishment, not just the civilians it uses and discards.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 02 Jul 2012 06:19

Johann wrote: If security agreements are ever to be made with Pakistan, it has to be made with the Army, and its permanent establishment, not just the civilians it uses and discards.

+1. Lahore is a good example for the above, of what not to do.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Jul 2012 06:24

As if Army is full of honest people who will honor their word!

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 02 Jul 2012 06:55

abhishek_sharma wrote:As if Army is full of honest people who will honor their word!

I wouldn't call the PA honorable. But it is somewhat more predictable when its being dealt with directly and the spotlight is on them because its harder for them to shift the blame for failure and embarrassment to Pakistani politicians.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 02 Jul 2012 09:02

abhishek_sharma wrote:As if Army is full of honest people who will honor their word!

The watch words are not honor and trust for the PA at this point. They are interests, verifications and actions.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 02 Jul 2012 20:48

From a discussion in Pakistan: A new way of looking.

shiv wrote:If Pakistan has become a bigger problem after 11 years of US aid are you_seriously_trying to tell me that India is responsible and not the USA?

No, not at all by a wide margin. All I am saying is at the end of the day, the US shall take actions as it serves their interests, as they see fit for the moment, as perceived by the person occupying the office at that time. Being 8000 miles away and a hyper power to boot, affords them options of opportunities and risks, not available to us. The lasting impact of US actions, missteps will be less felt by the US and more by India, is my point.

Where India can make a difference is sub continental security. It is for India to lead and towards that the opportunities afforded to the US in the region is a failure of Indian policies. One way or the other US presence in the region has to be reduced/eliminated and towards that India has a role.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 03 Jul 2012 20:17

Expert panel rejects plan to save Ram Sethu

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/expe ... 03529.html

The Centre submitted before the Supreme Court on Monday that an expert committee, constituted to explore the possibility of saving the Ram Sethu by looking at the feasibility of an alternate alignment for the proposed Sethusamundran Shipping Channel project, had found the alignment bypassing the mythological bridge to be both economically and ecologically non-viable.

Solicitor General Rohinton Nariman, however, told the court that the government was yet to accept or reject the report by the committee headed by Nobel laureate R.K. Pachauri. A bench comprising Justice H.L. Dattu and Justice C.K. Prasad adjourned the matter for eight weeks after Nariman submitted that the report would be placed before the cabinet which would take a final decision.

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 03 Jul 2012 20:23

nawabs wrote:Expert panel rejects plan to save Ram Sethu

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/expe ... 03529.html
The Centre submitted before the Supreme Court on Monday that an expert committee, constituted to explore the possibility of saving the Ram Sethu by looking at the feasibility of an alternate alignment for the proposed Sethusamundran Shipping Channel project, had found the alignment bypassing the mythological bridge to be both economically and ecologically non-viable.

Solicitor General Rohinton Nariman, however, told the court that the government was yet to accept or reject the report by the committee headed by Nobel laureate R.K. Pachauri {another big no-bell walla, wejust saw the mentality of such morons}. A bench comprising Justice H.L. Dattu and Justice C.K. Prasad adjourned the matter for eight weeks after Nariman submitted that the report would be placed before the cabinet which would take a final decision.

Where are the rights of Hindus?? When kashmiris can riot and moan for some mythological beard of muhamed..why doesn't the secular brigade moan?? These idiots are crossing their limits, for which they will pay heavily.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 03 Jul 2012 20:50

They have crossed all limits and got away with it, so they will continue to do so until something drastic happens

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jul 2012 20:52

He is not a Nobel Laureate. It was his organization and Al Gore that got the Nobel that year. This guy took the award as the leader of the organization. BTW his organization was later shown to have fudged their analyses!

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 03 Jul 2012 23:12

Exactly.

He happened to be chairman of the IPCC at the time when said organization was nominated for the prize.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 03 Jul 2012 23:42

nawabs wrote:Expert panel rejects plan to save Ram Sethu

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/expe ... 03529.html
The Centre submitted before the Supreme Court on Monday that an expert committee, constituted to explore the possibility of saving the Ram Sethu by looking at the feasibility of an alternate alignment for the proposed Sethusamundran Shipping Channel project, had found the alignment bypassing the mythological bridge to be both economically and ecologically non-viable.

Solicitor General Rohinton Nariman, however, told the court that the government was yet to accept or reject the report by the committee headed by Nobel laureate R.K. Pachauri. A bench comprising Justice H.L. Dattu and Justice C.K. Prasad adjourned the matter for eight weeks after Nariman submitted that the report would be placed before the cabinet which would take a final decision.

This project will probably move forward. Hindus just don't care enough.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jul 2012 01:20

RoyG et al, The DMK the alliance partner of UPA thinks that the dredging will destroy the Ram Sethu and thus is their blow against the Aryans. The expert committee report essentially is cover for the UPA to go ahead to appease their partner DMK. Th ecover is in case there is backlash in North. The report claims that its not cost effective to bypass the rock formation.Basically a mercantile argument against a religious faith based belief.
And the SC decided to postpone their hearing till the Cabinet decides!

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Jul 2012 01:39

^^^^
Also there is a huge financial bonanaza for the dmk politicos (particularly the patriarch family).
this runs into 100s of crores in construction and dredging etc.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Jul 2012 06:41

How many attacks from the Taleban will we bear, before we retaliate? Can safely expect the number and intensity of attacks to go up. Indian retaliation is assured and so goes our own economic prosperity agenda.

This is nothing but rhetoric that doesnt make any sense. This has been going on for too long on this forum without any substantial information.

Societies became prosperous only in two scenarios
1. When they are self-aware (meaning a Y-majority calls itself a Y-nation) and set up the infrastructure to protect their way of living. Examples: pre-colonization Bharat.

2. When a society develops strong invasion force and enslaves other societies and run an empire. Examples: Rome, Britain, Germany, US, China, US etc

I demand that people provide a fact based correlation matrix that clearly demonstrates that "peace at any cost" makes the underlying society economically prosperous.

What is the point of all the debate if people just resort to rhetoric even after providing data based inferences.

During the best years of India 1991-2004, India faced Khalistan insurgency, JK insurgency, Kargil war. What did India achieve since 2004 despite the "peace at any cost" nonsense?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Jul 2012 06:53

ShauryaT wrote: For the record though, do not view TSP elites to be enlightened moderates. See them as confused Indics and wannabe Islamists, scoring one self goal after another.

I got banned for presenting this scenario, Indian missteps and a peaceful solution 6 months ago.

What alternative Independent India is offering these confused Indics? A secular state.

Pakis are told by their sponsors, "why do you need to go back to India, for a mere secular tag, when you are already have one (in the absence of Sharia) from us?", and thus keeping Pakis in the tamas resulting in tens of thousands of deaths and untold suffering to our fellow Indics.

Only a very few people on this forum truly identify Pakis as misdirected Indics and want to bring them back home.

RahulM: please delete this post, if this does not satisfy forum rules.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 04 Jul 2012 06:58

Let the Sethu Samudram go ahead. Its operational difficulties would be so great and cumulatively damaging over time, that it will be seen as one of the greatest white elephants ever lobbed on to India.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 Jul 2012 17:12

Published Jun 25, 2012
By N.S. Rajaram
Sangh Parivar must get more progressive

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 Jul 2012 17:18

RamaY wrote:Only a very few people on this forum truly identify Pakis as misdirected Indics and want to bring them back home.

Well I do consider Pakis to be misdirected Indics. They are 98% of Indian genetic stock. However the word "misdirected" can cause some confusion, unless it is quantified as raging mad psychos, with no short-term cure!

There are models of bringing them back, but they involve huge doses of penury, shame and danda!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jul 2012 00:51

Will x-post in Book review thread also. But note the themes and the author's training to write such books.

Siddhartha Deb, "The Beautiful and the Damned: A Portrait of the New India"
ISBN: 0865478627 | 2011 | 272 pages

A Globe and Mail Best Books of the Year 2011 Title

Siddhartha Deb grew up in a remote town in the northeastern hills of India and made his way to the United States via a fellowship at Columbia. Six years after leaving home, he returned as an undercover reporter for The Guardian, working at a call center in Delhi in 2004, a time when globalization was fast proceeding and Thomas L. Friedman declared the world flat. Deb’s experience interviewing the call-center staff led him to undertake this book and travel throughout the subcontinent.

The Beautiful and the Damned examines India’s many contradictions through various individual and extraordinary perspectives. With lyrical and commanding prose, Deb introduces the reader to an unforgettable group of Indians, including a Gatsby-like mogul in Delhi whose hobby is producing big-budget gangster films that no one sees; a wiry, dusty farmer named Gopeti whose village is plagued by suicides and was the epicenter of a riot; and a sad-eyed waitress named Esther who has set aside her dual degrees in biochemistry and botany to serve Coca-Cola to arms dealers at an upscale hotel called Shangri La.

Like no other writer, Deb humanizes the post-globalization experience—its advantages, failures, and absurdities. India is a country where you take a nap and someone has stolen your job, where you buy a BMW but still have to idle for cows crossing your path. A personal, narrative work of journalism and cultural analysis in the same vein as Adrian Nicole LeBlanc’s Random Family and V. S. Naipaul’s India series, The Beautiful and the Damned is an important and incisive new work.

The Beautiful and the Damned is a Publishers Weekly Best Nonfiction title for 2011.

Its a new genre of Million mutinies type of writing.

I don't see the damned when I visit desh. I guess I didn't get a social engineered education.

Education comes from the root "educato' ie bring out not put in. I guess Columbia does bring out the bile in Indians from a long time.