Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 29 Jun 2012 17:26

ssridhar - the killing of the two PA mentors by the "bad" talibs last year should be seen in the light of the two talibans joining up?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Jun 2012 17:55

Moving up the value chain. Thousands of Pak students in Britain doing ...jobs
"low-Grade", that is.

Thousands of Pakistani graduate and undergraduate students in Britain have been forced to work for low wages and pursue menial jobs as cleaners, sweepers and porters due to rising unemployment and recession in the country.

Last year, some 10,270 graduates found work as labourers, couriers, office juniors, hospital porters, waiters, bar staff, cleaners, road sweepers and school dinner servers. This was almost double the number in 2007 before the recession struck.

Self-respecting pakis must protest outside the British High Commission in 'slamabad against this loss of HS&D. Pakis must be given, no handed, jobs befitting their social and political status.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Jun 2012 18:00

Target-rich environment

National music festival in Khanaspur starts today

A three-day fun-filled national music festival starts today (Friday) in the scenic valley of Khanaspur, Ayubia

to be held at cricket ground from June 29 to July 1, is organised by KPTC with public-private partnership. The government has intensified cultural and social activities to fight back terrorism in the province

Yeah! That will help. An open field, in KP, spitting distance away from tellibunny strongholds. Good choice. I hope it is nationally televised with live feed. Pakis need live entertainment.

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 29 Jun 2012 18:03

UndyTV reports:

India has repeated its assertion that Jundal's information establishes that the 26/11 attacks were made possible because of some state support in Pakistan. "Abu Jundal is an Indian, he was perhaps radicalized in India, I admit that. Equally, Pakistan should admit that Jundal did go to Pakistan and was in the control room as one of the masterminds of the (26/11) attacks," said Home Minister P Chidambaram today. "Jundal had found a safe haven in Pakistan," he added.

"Such a control room could not have been set up without state support," said Home Minister P Chidambaram today.

The way PC speaks makes me think Pukis could be right after all! May be it is all Indian hand....

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 Jun 2012 18:14

Lalmohan wrote:ssridhar - the killing of the two PA mentors by the "bad" talibs last year should be seen in the light of the two talibans joining up?

Lalmohan,

IMO, they were always been a single entity. The LM episode made them revolt against their handlers, forcing TSPA to mark some of these guys as bad apples and following Unkil's strategy of droning every AQ 3.2 leader, while using their infrastructure to start color revolutions elsewhere.

But the Taliban, again IMHO, are slowly realizing that their long-term survival and fortunes lie not in war-torn Afghanistan but in Pakistan, which has reasonable tax sources, MIC for their level of sophistication and most importantly the possibility of access to the clown jewels.

When the transition happens, my prediction is instead of achieving strategic depth in Afghanistan, Pakistan itself will become strategic depth of China. We need to see if PRC puts its hand into the cookie jar in a text book manner. Need to see if PRC's investment into Paki clown jewels will ultimately result in a redux of USSR withdrawal.

That means in the next 20-30 years the 20th century Afghan problem will shift east and become a Paki problem. India will be in the same situation as Iran today, especially if it happens to be a non-shah govt in Hastina.

Western influence may decline but their capacity to start and conduct a war in this region will remain intact, at least for few more decades...

Interesting times ahead...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2012 18:15

Lalmohan wrote:ssridhar - the killing of the two PA mentors by the "bad" talibs last year should be seen in the light of the two talibans joining up?

Lalmohan, There was never any doubt about the two Talibans being one and the same. The distinction was artificially created by the PA for their own nefarious ends and the Americans bought that theory for whatever reason. The leaders of Afghan Taliban and TTP had been together in Afghanistan and have had the same jihadi Islamist worldview. How could they have been different ? IMO, they were never separate to join now.

Khwaja was a shady character and not as important at all as Col. Imam. Khwaja was killed for betraying the Lal Masjid Ghazi. Imam was in an altogether different class. But, both were accused as American spies and eliminated by the Punjabi Taliban. "For us Colonel Imam was not a mujahid. If he was assumed in the past as the father of the Taliban, he did that as a government employee - being an army officer. He still receives a pension from the Pakistan army. To us he is their man," said Usman Punjabi. Now, Usman Punjabi was the one who organized the kidnap. Col Imam, during his captivity, was treated very shabbily. He was frequently subjected to mock execution, beaten and even whipped. Did Hamid Gul say anything about Col. Imam's execution ?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 29 Jun 2012 18:50

thanks - there was no distinction between the two in my mind and it was clear to all (except Unkil) that it was a double headed snake.

btw - kind request, outside of BENIS and L&M dhaga, i prefer to be known as my normal name please, without any paqui alterations

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jun 2012 19:35

X-Post....
I was thinking about TSP last night. It strikes me that its stability is being unblanaced by the RAPE political class. Zia Islamized the military. The Fizzlya has more jihadis than the TSPA. The PN also showed its jihadi culture in the Mehran attack. So in summmary, the military is already Islamized. The judiciary is on the qazi trail and is getting there. The common masses are already madrassafied over the two-three decades after 1971.The dregs of Afghan jihad are now challenging the TSAP in teh WANA FATA areas. The only hold outs are the RAPE who run the govt and the establishment.

I think this is the instability source. Either the RAPE suppress the Islamist drive or get run over. The former is little chance as the West supports the Islamism drive covertly for geo-political reasons (India) but overtly pressures the RAPE to keep it confined. That is what the sanctions on Hafiz Suar and all those other pigs is all about.

The TTP (Pashtun) & LeT(Pakjabi) allaince will prevail and align the state with Islamist goals to bring stability.

The other alternative is to let the regional nationalism assert themselves for self determination.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 29 Jun 2012 19:56

Taking a dig at Interior Minister of Pakistan Rehman Malik's recent statement Jundal was an Indian, he said, "I agree with Rehman Malik that Abu Jundal is an Indian perhaps he was radicalised in India. I admit that.

"Equally, Pakistan should admit that Abu Jundal did go to Pakistan, that Abu Jundal was part of the group which trained and prepared Kasab and nine others that Abu Jundal was in the control room and one of the masterminds and handlers of the attack.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 504406.cms

This is where Indian polity makes mistake , any sane intelligent opposition will take the right message from this statement but looking at the buffoon Rehman Malik and the rest of the Paki media they will only harp about the traitor being Indian and his radicalization at the hands of his Baniya tormentors and Saffron Terrorist aggressors.

This is called Apne pair pe Kulhadi maar lena or *****************

PS - And wtf is this headline !

Abu Jundal carried out 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks with Pakistan help: Chidambaram

Shouldnt it be - Pakistan carried out 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks with Abu Jundal help: Chidambaram

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2012 20:33

After Jindal's arrest, Govt gets a handle on 26/11

“Once we came to know that he had left Pakistan, we succeeded in tracking him, took time in establishing identity and apprehended him. "

We have to have the ability to penetrate the 'deep state'

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2012 20:34

Rajdeep wrote:PS - And wtf is this headline !
Abu Jundal carried out 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks with Pakistan help: Chidambaram

Shouldnt it be - Pakistan carried out 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks with Abu Jundal help: Chidambaram

Absolutely.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 29 Jun 2012 20:36

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120629/nation.htm#1

‘The kheer never tasted so good’
Family serves Surjeet his favourite sweets at their village homeBalwant Garg/TNS

Phidde (Ferozepur), June 28
As soon as Surjeet Singh reached Talwandi Chowk (about 8 km from Phidde village) in a cavalcade of cars, jeeps and bikes, the traffic on the Faridkot-Talwandi road virtually came to a halt. Youths accompanying the vehicle carrying Surjeet Singh raised slogans like “Bapu Surjeet Singh Zindabad”.

Municipal Councillors, an SGPC member and sarpanches of adjoining villages had gathered at Talwandi Chowk to welcome Surjeet Singh.

Villagers celebrate Surjeet’s return in Phidde(1); a father-daughter moment at Wagah (2); and with his younger sister Kapoora

While all young and old male members of Phidde village were part of the Surjeet Singh’s convoy, women and children awaited them in the village.

At Phidde, Surjeet Singh waved to the crowd from an open jeep while people raised slogans in his support and burst crackers. All roads in the area today led to Surjit’s newly constructed house on the outskirt area of the village. The young and the old all seemed to be heading to that house to have a glimpse of Surjeet Singh.

Old-timers remember Surjeet Singh for his guts during his younger days. “Whenever there was any dispute in the village in the 70s in Phidde, Makhan (Surjeet Singh) was always an interlocutor to settle the matter,” said Maghar Singh, an old friend of Surjeet Singh.

The house to which Surjeet Singh today returned was not the same that he left in 1981. After selling this old house in the village, his son Kulwinder Singh has been constructing a new house in his two-acre farm. Before entering his under-construction house, Surjeet Singh reached his family farm to pay obeisance to his predecessors at a family memorial.

As soon as Surjeet stepped into his house, he met his partially paralysed younger sister, Kapoora, sitting on a cot. When Surjeet clasped his sister in his arms, tears went rolling down her cheeks. He was then greeted by his younger daughter Rani and her daughter Sukhma.

His wife, seven grandchildren, a son, two daughters, a sister and cousins had reached Wagah to receive him.

Surjeet’s first query

Surjeet’s first question to his sister, Kapoora, when he reached Phidde: “How many brothers and sisters are alive?” She replied: “You me and Rani.” They were originally five brothers and two sisters in their family.

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 29 Jun 2012 22:12

Hope fades away for Hazaras of Pakistan

“At least 60 people belonging to Hazara community living in Quetta have been killed in targeted attacks, including suicide, remote-controlled and timer device bombings and firing,” says a report published in this newspaper, following a brutal attack on Shia pilgrims belonging to the Hazara community.

Thursday’s bomb attack in the Hazarganji area on the outskirts of the provincial capital of Balochistan was not the first such attack of the year. Not even the first of the month. The Hazara community has been targeted, with great impunity, by outlawed militant organisations on at least six occasions in the current year. While all attacks have claimed precious lives, one of worst attacks against the community came last September, when a bus carrying Hazara passengers was stopped by assailants heavily armed with rocket launchers and Kalashnikovs. They identified Hazara men, took them off the bus and slaughtered them one by one within half a kilometre from a security check post. A similar incident was repeated a few days later in Akhtarabad area of Quetta. Some unconfirmed reports say “over 800 Hazaras have been killed in 24 incidents of mass-murder and 131 targeted ambushes since 2001.”

http://dawn.com/2012/06/29/hope-fades-a ... -pakistan/

A good read on the situation the Shia Hazaras find themselves in, in the Land of Pure.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 29 Jun 2012 22:32

zibahi-e-quom zibah-ed 17 sipahi-e-quom who themselves would do zibah on others given a chance

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Jun 2012 22:39

Taking a dig at Interior Minister of Pakistan Rehman Malik's recent statement Jundal was an Indian

What Rehman Malik is saying is that Pakistan merely trained, funded, provided weapons like guns and grenades, provided recruits, provided space for establishing a control center, provided equipment like rubber rafts, GPS, phones with voip, helped in planning, arranged logistics, conducted surveillance, provided shelter and later a fake passport for people like Abu Jundal (and possibly others) to escape, but he was BORN in India!!!

That should not be forgotten, he was BORN in India!!!

So India--Pakistan equal==equal, there are radicals on both sides. Peace is needed in South Asia by settling Cashmere else it will lead to more Mumbai attacks.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Jun 2012 22:52

Pakistan = The land of pure Qutlets and Qataleaaam.
Djinnha=C(q)attle E Azam.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Jun 2012 22:56

Plenty of people were complaining why Kasab was given such an elaborate trial.

We should all be thankful to people like Ujjwal Nikam for steadfastly following all the facts and leads and putting everything on the record. Here is an exchange for example:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090722/j ... 267514.jsp

“Kasab has given out inane details but he has hidden the real information cleverly. We want to know who is this Saeed bhai. I will request the court to bring all this to light. I would also like to know whether he (Kasab) has anything to say about Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind of 26/11,” said Nikam.

Nikam brushed aside Kasab’s claim that Abu Jundal, a Lashkar trainer he met in Karachi, was a “Hindustani”. “It has nothing to do with his case,” he said.

Joint commissioner (crime) Rakesh Maria said the police would verify who Jundal is since this is the first time Kasab has mentioned him.

Because of people like Ujjwal Nikam there are signed confessional statements in the record, FIRs lodged against suspects implicated by Kasab, police statements about people they are looking for, their descriptions and all evidence from the attack like ammunition, voice recording and intercepts gathered, documented, accounted for and recorded.

One of the things that eventually nailed Abu Jundal was the match between his voice and the voice on the phone directing the terrorists. Now we all know why Pakis have been refusing to provide voice samples of the accused for the past 4 years!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Jun 2012 22:58

And from TFT

Reported in Nawa-e-Waqt Osama was so dearly beloved of the people of Pakistan that the bricks of his abandoned house in Abbottabad - razed to the ground recently - were being sold for $10 apiece by visitors from all over Pakistan

If there is some Osama relic, they would have started worshipping it by now. And ofcourse this earlier news
http://tribune.com.pk/story/372856/gush ... -compound/

Gushing water brings devotees, visitors to bin Laden compound

“There is some spirituality about this place since water keeps gushing forth without the use of an electric motor,” said Omar Khan, a resident of Abbottabad.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jun 2012 23:06

Is it zam zam spring re-emerging!

Then Abhootabad is the new Mecca!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamzam_Well

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 29 Jun 2012 23:11

^ Guess u guys missed the news that the water was from a broken drainage / sewage pipe or zam zam whichever suits you

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Jun 2012 01:09

Dinner Dish For Idi Amin

Uganda Arrests Pakistani Terror Suspects .
.

KAMPALA, Uganda—Five Pakistanis have been arrested in Uganda's western oil region, police said Tuesday, just two weeks ahead of the second anniversary of deadly terror attacks in the capital Kampala.Ugandan police spokeswoman Judith Nabakoba said that the five men were arrested Sunday in the district of Ntoroki after they crossed the border from the Democratic Republic of Congo. In the Congo, they had allegedly met with Allied Democratic Forces, a group of Ugandan rebels formed in the mid-1990s to overthrow the government and establish an Islamic state.They were arrested after they crossed into Uganda with a Congolese guide," Ms. Nabakoba said "They are suspected to be involved in terrorism but we are still interrogating them."Following the arrests, Ugandan police issued a terror alert, warning that militants could target Ugandan fans watching games of the European soccer championship. The warning carried echoes of attacks in Kampala that came as fans watched the finals of the 2010 World Cup. The Somali militant group al Shabab, which is allied with al Qaeda, claimed responsibility for those attacks that left more than 80 people dead.Police said the five men arrested on Sunday had explained they were traversing the country to spread Islam. Their identities haven't been released.Bony Katatumba, consul general at the Pakistan Consulate in Uganda, said he was still waiting for a formal notification from the police about the charges the men face. There are some 5,000 Pakistanis in Uganda, he added, engaged in a number of businesses, from car dealerships to pharmaceuticals

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 30 Jun 2012 01:15

These guys were picked up maybe 3 weeks ago ... Happened to be in Kampala around that time. Indians are pretty well entrenched there, many of the type who can be confused with Slovenians

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 30 Jun 2012 01:38

Rajdeep wrote:PS - And wtf is this headline !
Abu Jundal carried out 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks with Pakistan help: Chidambaram

Shouldnt it be - Pakistan carried out 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks with Abu Jundal help: Chidambaram

SSridhar wrote: Absolutely.

Or, Pakistan carried out 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks. Period.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 30 Jun 2012 01:45

Anujan wrote:
Reported in Nawa-e-Waqt Osama was so dearly beloved of the people of Pakistan that the bricks of his abandoned house in Abbottabad - razed to the ground recently - were being sold for $10 apiece by visitors from all over Pakistan

Pakis are such idiots (did I state the obvious?) when it comes to money matters. There is no baniya in them. $10 for a brick!! Hey, here's the solution to all their economic problems. Every house, every builiding, every madrassa and every donkey shed that the drones knock down should be seen as opportunities to rake in money from the gullible but pious pakis. Collect the bricks and verything else they can get hold of and sell these items out side Jumma Masjids across the nation on Fridays. Keep people employed and rake it in.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 30 Jun 2012 01:49

Anujan wrote:“There is some spirituality about this place since water keeps gushing forth without the use of an electric motor,” said Omar Khan

Omarbhai, that spirituality that you are tasting in the water is because of too much undigested garlic mixed with milk gone bad that did not flush down well.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Jun 2012 02:06

This calls for new term .Poaq Brain = No Brain x72.

The bricks from Usama 's room actually glow in the dark and if Paki rub their nose hard on them , they can actually smell all the flavors of Jannat. For pure Believer of Pakistan , grind the brick and use it as Surma in the eyes to watch the Ghazis enjoying Jannati pleasures. Daily Rubbing of Mush on Osama Brick will keep it TFTA for ever.
Most of all, tying the Osama Brick on Mujahid's head makes him invincible and invisible for easy crossing of the Kashmir Border for Jihad. Sure way to win Paradise. No Bullet from Ak47 can penetrate this shield of Sacred Osama Brick (SOB).
Dear Paki Bhai,
Dont take my word for it, try it, do the experiment and find out the truth. SOB is the perfect weapon to defeat Indians.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 30 Jun 2012 02:20

anupmisra wrote:Moving up the value chain. Thousands of Pak students in Britain doing ...jobs
"low-Grade", that is.

I urge the mohammedans of Pakistani origin in Britain to protest against the discrimination of Pukis in Englandistan. You know what, don't do that - Britishers and Pakis deserve each other.

I'm sorry to got off-topic but I got curious and wanted to look at how the Pakis are faring in US.

A recent Pew Research Center’s 2012 Asian-American Survey The Rise of Asian Americans can help us with that.

Asian Americans are the highest-income, best-educated and fastest-growing racial group in the United States.
...
Indian Americans lead all other groups by a significant margin in their levels of income and education. Seven-in-ten Indian-American adults ages 25 and older have a college degree,

Pakis are not mentioned in the report for two reasons, they are not in significant numbers as the larger Asian subgroups plus they are probably not doing that well economically. An opinion piece on that report kinda tells the story of Pukis

...Apart from the six largest Asian ethnic subgroups, the Pew report lumps remaining ethnic groups such as Bangladeshis, Burmese, Cambodians, Hmong, Laotians, Pakistanis, Thais and Indonesians into a single "Other Asian-American" category.People in these groups are disproportionately likely to be refugees or recent immigrants who tend to face greater educational and income disparities. The "Other Asian-American" category reported a lower than average college education rate of 36 percent, as well as a low annual median earning of $36,600....

Asian-American situation more varied than reported

Pakis in US should demand that either they be given the same salary as Indian Americans or Indian Americans be given less salary keeping intact the principle of equal-equal.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 30 Jun 2012 02:44

Preparations for throwing in the towel

When Al-Groper mentioned that "Why don't they go? Who is stopping them" to a question that a good majority of Pakis are slobbing to leave the LoP. Looks like Hasan Nisar is about to get his vijja out of LoP.

Cognitive dissonance on full display...

Pakis == (red) Indians == Americans

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 30 Jun 2012 03:28

LWJ reports...

Key Mumbai plotter arrested in Saudi Arabia

There is an additional angle that Indian investigators may explore. Documents captured in Osama bin Laden's compound show that the deceased al Qaeda master was in regular, direct contact with Saeed. The files also suggest that bin Laden and al Qaeda may have played a significant role in planning the attack on Mumbai. The surveillance reports paid for by the ISI's man reportedly ended up in bin Laden's hands. [See LWJ article, Report: Osama bin Laden helped plan Mumbai attacks.]

Ansari may have additional details about al Qaeda's role in the operation.

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... z1zDrQlOEu

partha · Post by **partha** » 30 Jun 2012 04:19

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 514152.cms

NEW DELHI: More than a year before US-born LeT operative David Coleman Headley landed in Mumbai to conduct a reconnaissance for the 26/11 attacks, a key accused in the attacks had already travelled to India along with another LeT operative on forged passport and conducted a reconnaissance.

Interrogation of 26/11 handler Syed Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal has revealed that one Major Abdurrehman and key 26/11 accused Sajid Mir alias Sajid Wajid had visited India as cricket fans and conducted reconnaissance of important sites in Delhi and Mumbai for about a fortnight.

Sources said both had traveled on Pakistani passports bearing fake names and came to watch a match between India and Pakistan at Mohali in 2005. Headley had arrived in India for 26/11 reconnaissance only in 2006.

Also, India had begun cricket diplomacy with Pakistan in 2005, culminating in then Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf's visit to Delhi to watch the Indo-Pak final ODI at Firoz Shah Kotla stadium. The development reveals how elements in Pakistani establishment and LeT used cricket diplomacy to prepare for terror attacks on India.

Sources said that Major Abdurrehman is a retired Pakistani army officer who later joined the LeT. He was involved in training of the outfit's recruits. Mir was Headley's handler, and had directed him throughout his two years of reconnaissance in Mumbai and Delhi. Mir was part of the core group that planned the 26/11 conspiracy, and is a wanted accused in the chargesheet filed by Mumbai Crime Branch in the case.

It was through this trip that Mir developed a peripheral knowledge of the contours of both Delhi and Mumbai, which helped him direct Headley during the 2006-08 reconnaissance.

Jundal has revealed that later it was Mir, who along with LeT's operational chief Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, developed an electronic blueprint of the Taj Mahal Hotel and plotted various rooms and halls on the map to familiarize the 10 terrorists, who attacked Mumbai, with the interiors of the hotel.

Taj's Crystal Ballroom that saw indiscriminate firing, with several casualties, was specially marked in the blueprint. Mir had also prepared a miniature model of the hotel to give the attackers a physical feel of the place they were going to devastate.

Jundal has also revealed that while there was plan for the attackers to return to Pakistan after the strike, it was abandoned on the insistence of Lakhvi. The decision was taken after it was argued that it was near impossible for them to return as there weren't enough safe houses in India and some of them could be caught eventually.

In fact, a few days before Ajmal Kasab and his associates left for Mumbai, LeT chief Hafiz Saeed delivered a rousing speech on the importance of fighting unto death. He also gave them the quintessential LeT visions of jannat and the 72 virgins who would await them after martyrdom.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 30 Jun 2012 05:44

partha wrote:
Sources said that Major Abdurrehman is a retired Pakistani army officer who later joined the LeT. He was involved in training of the outfit's recruits. Mir was Headley's handler, and had directed him throughout his two years of reconnaissance in Mumbai and Delhi. Mir was part of the core group that planned the 26/11 conspiracy, and is a wanted accused in the chargesheet filed by Mumbai Crime Branch in the case.

So he was an ex-PA afsar saab? Where is that brf knawlidj about current PA afsars going on paid leave in deputation to LeT that PA jarnails dont know about.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 30 Jun 2012 06:08

Interrogation of 26/11 handler Syed Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal has revealed that one Major Abdurrehman and key 26/11 accused Sajid Mir alias Sajid Wajid had visited India as cricket fans and conducted reconnaissance of important sites in Delhi and Mumbai for about a fortnight.

See..this is what you get when you encourage so-called "people-to-people" contact. And some Bollywood personalities want more cricket with Paki players.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 30 Jun 2012 06:13

^^^ For the foreseeable future, Pakis should be banned in the IPL and there should be no more bonhomie of cricket matches between India and Pakistan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Jun 2012 07:45

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan being “Momin” is not “Pure” enough to prevent being relegated to the fate of Dhimmi Kaafirs.

The ugly face of the intolerance meted out by Mohammaddens of the Sunni sect to their co-religionists of the minority Shia / Shiite sect owing to differences in the practise and interpretation of their common Mohammadden religion:

Hope fades away for Hazaras of Pakistan

‘Ethnic cleansing of Hazaras going on in systematic manner’

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Jun 2012 07:51

^^^ As long as the Nepal route remains open to TSP, this using cric diplomacy etc is mere opportuism only. J&K dhaga had reports of desi 'militants' in PoK seeking to return to the greener pastures this side of the LoC and bringing their POK born families across via kathmandu.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Jun 2012 11:24

partha wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 514152.cms
Interrogation of 26/11 handler Syed Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal has revealed that one Major Abdurrehman and key 26/11 accused Sajid Mir alias Sajid Wajid had visited India as cricket fans and conducted reconnaissance of important sites in Delhi and Mumbai for about a fortnight.

From 2009
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=670715

A Lahore-based retired Army major has emerged as a key link between Mumbai terror attack suspect David Coleman Headley and his Pakistani handlers who guided him in planning and plotting strikes in India.

Retd Major Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed, also known as Pasha or Major, has been charged by the FBI in a Chicago court on two counts of conspiring terror attacks in association with Headley, the US national of Pakistani-origin, and two other Pakistan-based terrorists.

Abdur Rehman coordinated with HuJI leader Ilyas Kashmiri and a Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) operative to commit terrorist acts involving murder and maiming outside the US, and conspired within and outside the US to provide material support to that conspiracy, the FBI said in its 42-page charge sheet.

From 2010
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article80576.ece

No date has been set for Rana’s arraignment. His attorney, Patrick Blegen, has said his client is innocent. Rana, 49, has remained in federal custody in Chicago since he was arrested on Oct 18 in connection with the planned attack in Denmark.

Kashmiri and Abdur Rehman, also known as “Major Abdur Rehman” and “Pasha,” were each charged with one count of conspiracy to murder and maim persons in Denmark, and one count of providing material support to the Danish terrorism plot. Neither man is in US custody.

Again from 2010
http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... an-headley

Interpol, at India's behest, has issued Red Corner Notices (RCN) against five people, including a retired and two serving Pakistani army majors, for their direct role in the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks.

The RCNs have been issued against HuJI commander Ilyas Kashmiri, Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist Sajid Majid, serving Pakistani army officers Major Iqbal and Major Sameer Ali and retired officer Major Abdur Rehman on the basis of non-bailable warrants secured against them by the National Investigating Agency (NIA) through a Delhi court.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Jun 2012 11:32

Apparently Pakis are willing to reopen NATO routes. A vague apology-non apology joint statement will be issued for salala attack and atleast some of the drone attacks will be replaced by fizzleya F16 attacks (expect Pakis to demand BVR missiles to defeat taliban air force).

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Jun 2012 11:33

Demands??

Common enemy??!!

have the paki morons not understood that the enemy is the paki army? Iman, Taqwa, Jihad fi Sabilillah.

Pakistan demands more details about Abu Jundal

Indian authorities have said that Ansari alias Abu Jundal – who is an Indian citizen – had travelled to Saudi Arabia on a Pakistani passport.

In recent interactions with the media, Malik has questioned whether the passport used by Ansari was genuine.

In another message posted on Twitter, Malik noted that "India had claimed earlier that (Jundal) had a Pakistani passport".

He said criminals using "fake" passports "cannot be Pakistani".

In yet another message, Malik said Pakistan "will continue to fully cooperate (with) India in the investigation of (Mumbai) terrorist attack. Pak and India need to identify their real enemy."

The two countries "need to know their real common enemy", he said.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Jun 2012 11:35

Pakistan is Kuffar Free Zone Enforced By Pakislam =Peace

Bloodied dreams, wall of silence

WE have made this Islamic Republic such a heaven on earth that we struggle to find words, often fight over these, to describe what its proud sons are capable of.Just two days ago, someone asked on Twitter why our Fourth Estate calls bloody attacks on the Shia-Hazaras in Quetta ‘sectarian violence’. “Isn’t it Shia genocide?” I dived into various dictionaries but couldn’t come up with a definitive answer.Butchery, slaughter, carnage, mass murder and of course genocide have been variously used to describe such bloodlust as is being evidenced in (not just) the Balochistan capital. Your vocabulary is as good as mine.But will finding the correct word, using the most appropriate, accurate terminology alter the bloody ground reality or render it any clearer? Not really. Then, aren’t there even more significant questions to be asked?How did we get here? Don’t you wish you knew? All we can see is when a state thinks nothing of using an indoctrinated non-state cast for its ‘strategic objectives’ it is but a small step for some of these villainous actors to start pursuing their own ideological agenda, no matter how toxic.You feel as if the state of Pakistan has totally abandoned you. As if the security forces are facilitating your murderers. As if the media is mocking your death. As if the human rights organisations are turning a blind eye on your genocide. And worst of all, as if your fellow countrymen are celebrating your death.
“As a Hazara you are afraid of a policeman, afraid of any armed man. We don’t even trust the Pakistan Army, top judiciary … almost nobody. Because nobody has ever heard your voice over the last 13 years. You are afraid of going to university because somebody is lying in wait to kill you.“You can’t even escape. You need a passport for that. But you feel you’ll be murdered if you go to the passport office. You can’t go to any office for that matter because you will be identified, chased and finally shot in the head.“You feel that even your neighbours are annoyed by your screaming and want you to stop shouting.”Don’t let your fears about your neighbours stop you, my good friend. Or we’ll be left with no hope at all.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 30 Jun 2012 13:40

I think the Brits made a mistake in releasing this guy a bit too early. First thing he does is head back to Pakland and then demand a Paki supreme court resolution to declare him innocent, so that he's not banned from playing for five years further.
Salman Butt demands new cricket match-fixing trial

Former Pakistan cricket captain Salman Butt, who was jailed for 30 months in the UK last year for spot-fixing, has called for a new trial in Pakistan.

Butt, 27, who was freed from prison last week and has since returned home, said he was wrongly convicted and would be cleared in a Pakistani court.
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They were also given five-year playing bans, which they are appealing against.

"I don't think I got justice in the trial that sentenced me to a jail term," the Reuters news agency quoted him telling a news conference in Lahore.

"I want a trial in the Supreme Court of Pakistan, because there was no evidence confirming I did spot fixing." (Except for the inconvenient fact that he was found in possession of several bills with the same serial #s that the reporter had paid the fixer with and that film footage exists of them bowling no-balls at precisely the time the fixer said that they would be bowled)

He was released from Canterbury Prison last Thursday after serving seven months of his two-and-a-half year prison sentence.

I think the Brits should have kept him locked up for his full sentence and then done the same thing to him as they did to his colleague Kaneria (i.e. ban him from ever playing in England again and then convince the other world cricketing boards to do the same).