PRC Economy - New Reflections : Dec 15 2011

Pattom · Post by **Pattom** » 10 Jul 2012 11:46

bottom line in any argument is not to bring in a person's family members. I hope we have at least that decency.

The word 'you' can be used in an impersonal sense. It is a perfectly legitimate use of the word. It could serve in the same way as the word 'one'.

In this instance, I am not aware of wrdos's gender, marital status, or parental status. For all I know, wrdos may be a bunch of people working in the CPC Propaganda Department, each with spouses of their own. So it's not unreasonable to assume that I was using 'you' in the impersonal sense.

Marten: I'd argue that my language was not really offensive. I assume we're all adults here, and likening Chinese growth policy to prostitution is a legitimate analogy, though it may upset the prudish sensibilities of some.

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 10 Jul 2012 12:02

Marten wrote:OT
Ashi, it speaks volumes. wrdos, with his gutter language - "servant service", and you definitely have not attained any higher ground - your past posts are grounds enough to ensure you cannot use that decency defence. It's when you have to taste your bitter medicine that such complaints come up. Why did you not raise an issue about wrdos's language?

Pattom: the language is out of line. No point wrestling with the pigs. Don't have this thread locked.

Did you see what I said about bottom line? No attack on family members. Bringing in a person's wife, mother, daugther etc is always way out of line. There is no short of name calling on Chinese members in this forum. I did response to name calling with the same since it is becoming a norm in here. It is a response, first of all. And we never sink to that level, secondly. And of course, Marten, you have done your share of name calling too.

Regarding to "servant service", I don't like that and agree with that personally. But I don't like tons of posts here calling Chinese "slave" and other worse names either. Did I complain about that every time?

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 10 Jul 2012 12:22

wrdos: Now that Pattom has had the civility to explain himself, I suggest you explain or edit your post about 'servant service', or I can do it for you and assign you a warning for flamebaiting.

vina · Post by **vina** » 10 Jul 2012 12:23

wrdos wrote:It is why China can export all kinds of equipment around the world while India can only export resources or some servant service, just as the last 300 years.

Ah. I see, the iThings and other stuff exported from PRC with workers locked up in dorm and nets to catch people throwing themselves off high stairs to commit suicide is the perfect example of Chinese "equipment" that is done by "free people" and "owner service".

And this is from a society where you own NOTHING, except maybe your personal belongings (like your toothbrush) and the govt decides if and when and where you can even be "reborn" .

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 10 Jul 2012 15:47

You live in a place where you cant even have a second child without paying a bribe......i wonder why even have a one child rule when you can bribe your way...

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 10 Jul 2012 17:17

vina wrote:
wrdos wrote:It is why China can export all kinds of equipment around the world while India can only export resources or some servant service, just as the last 300 years.
Ah. I see, the iThings and other stuff exported from PRC with workers locked up in dorm and nets to catch people throwing themselves off high stairs to commit suicide is the perfect example of Chinese "equipment" that is done by "free people" and "owner service".

And this is from a society where you own NOTHING, except maybe your personal belongings (like your toothbrush) and the govt decides if and when and where you can even be "reborn" .

Vina, at the same time poverty reduction done by China is impressive. For an upper middle class Indian, getting wealthier may mean moving from 25000 USD a year to 100000 USD per year. But at the lower end, you have entire families struggling to survive, farmer suicides, underperformance of an entire country, because the govt. fails to reform, in India.

There is a lot of cruelty in the Chinese state, it executes >1000 people annually. Pogroms, politics, dissidents.
But the Indian state, by going "slow" on reforms, by dragging its feet on inefficient programs for poverty alleviation, by sheer inefficiency is ALSO cruel, indirectly, to millions of people who are unable to survive and thrive.

In conclusion...the gdp per capita figures speak for themselves. China IS ahead of India. As Indians, we better put our arses down, heads up and work hard.

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 10 Jul 2012 18:11

mahadevbhu wrote: Ah. I see, the iThings and other stuff exported from PRC with workers locked up in dorm and nets to catch people throwing themselves off high stairs to commit suicide is the perfect example of Chinese "equipment" that is done by "free people" and "owner service".

And this is from a society where you own NOTHING, except maybe your personal belongings (like your toothbrush) and the govt decides if and when and where you can even be "reborn" .

Vina, at the same time poverty reduction done by China is impressive. For an upper middle class Indian, getting wealthier may mean moving from 25000 USD a year to 100000 USD per year. But at the lower end, you have entire families struggling to survive, farmer suicides, underperformance of an entire country, because the govt. fails to reform, in India.

There is a lot of cruelty in the Chinese state, it executes >1000 people annually. Pogroms, politics, dissidents.
But the Indian state, by going "slow" on reforms, by dragging its feet on inefficient programs for poverty alleviation, by sheer inefficiency is ALSO cruel, indirectly, to millions of people who are unable to survive and thrive.

In conclusion...the gdp per capita figures speak for themselves. China IS ahead of India. As Indians, we better put our arses down, heads up and work hard.[/quote]
Care to have any stats? , farmer suicide myth has already been sproven, at least read the previous pages before talking and please keep your subtle advises to yourself, your "getting the arses down and heads up would have caused human right issues, with a number of reports in every other newspaper, even then people like you would moan about how India doesn't care about its people. I am reporting you for your uninformed, apologetic rant. If you don't have facts, please take this r&d to the whines thread ( it helps in increasing your post count too

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Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 10 Jul 2012 18:22

Chinese Infrastructure in localized geographical areas is superior to India and comparable to the West. Maybe 5% to 10% tops. The rest of China remains untouched infrastructure wise. Most of it looks like Great leap forward era construction. This has been noted many times before. Suraj has repeatedly pointed out the China is diverting capital towards the coastal cities to create pockets of 'brilliance' amongst its vast hinterland.

China runs on 0% cash. Without 0% cash it is nothing. All these SOE's and fortune 500 type steroid gorilla's have puny balls to go with their limp lower ends. Pretty much all dross. I tend to think it is all a giant Ponzi scheme. More suckers are needed every year who can save cash for -ive returns so the Panda overlords can spray it around their villas and gated estates and now foreign invested naked living.

This is not a more efficient economic apparatus. Every time Panda attempts to take it outside to the real world complete disaster overtakes the shoddy management structure and the reality of Panda is revealed for all to see. Review the hilarious story on Panda in Poland, down right slap stick comedy in places. This is what passes for a modern economy.
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I don't find Pattom's comments offensive. It is very much true. I have noted here that despite this claim of $5400 percapita income and 4 time India GDP, the average Foxconn worker makes the same or less than the Foxconn worker in Chennai. It is bewildering that the system does this to its own people. And remember conditions at Foxconn are actually far superior to the lot of the other 100 million factory serfs. They are not even allowed to look up from their tables and must ask permission for toilet breaks. Reminds one of a certain other oldest profession.....

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 10 Jul 2012 18:57

I think it causes total bewilderment to our Chinese posters that people here are not only not in awe of what the Chinese project for the world, but have the temerity to criticize Chinese policies and sometimes derisively so, even as a good majority of Indian poor languish in abject conditions.

Well, that is what free thinking people do. They can critique others openly, even as they are critical of themselves. These are two different things.

Would Indians like to have Chinese levels of growth and shiny cities etc? Yes, without doubt.

Would Indians like to have Chinese methods to achieve them? Not necessarily. Sure there are some things that India can adapt from Chinese and there's always room for improvement in anything anyone does. But there's just no way Indian workers will go through what Chinese workers put up with in those floors. I am in ITVity now, but I was a hardcore production engineer not too long ago and have also visited many suppliers like Rane, TVS, Bosch, MRF etc etc. I cannot see an Indian worker, skilled or unskilled temp labor type, putting up with the kinds of things we read about in Chinese floors.

And I suspect that none of you have any real experience in these sweatshops either. If you had, you would have empathy for these people on whose backs you - a small elite, are riding around showing off with GDP numbers and such.

You don't have a say in your own future. Why worry about ours...

wong · Post by **wong** » 10 Jul 2012 19:27

anishns wrote:
zlin wrote:China overtakes Japan in Fortune 500 ranks

Shocking!!! not that China has more companies than Japan in the fortune 500 but, the fact that none out of that 73 is capable of producing a brand like Sony, Nintendo, Sharp, Toshiba, Panasonic, Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi etc.

Okay, here's a list of brands founded by the Chinese. If the founder is ethnically Han Chinese, I'm including it.

Red Bull (energy drink)
Jimmy Choo (shoes)
Vera Wang (fashion)
Alexander Wang (fashion)
Lian Li (computer cases)
Lenovo (computers)
Huawei (networking)
HTC (cell phones)
Inokatsu (airsoft)
TSMC (chip foundry)
Moutai (liquor)
Haier (appliances)
Mr Chow (restaurant chain)
Din Tai Fung (restaurant chain)
BYD (batteries)
Suntech Power (Solar Energy)
Baidu (search)
Chow Tai Fook (jewelry chain)
YouTube (internet)
Nvidia (computers)
Linksys (networking)
EVGA (computers)
Asus (computers)

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 10 Jul 2012 19:44

wong wrote: If the founder is ethnically Han Chinese, I'm including it.

wong · Post by **wong** » 10 Jul 2012 19:47

Theo_Fidel wrote:
wong wrote: If the founder is ethnically Han Chinese, I'm including it.

This from a people who are claiming conspiracy and complaining because Indian-American spelling bee winners aren't front page news in the US.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 10 Jul 2012 19:55

Sir Wong appears to not know what humor is. Demented.

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 10 Jul 2012 20:13

OT,But I'll have to post here seeing the dlones jumping....

I'll narrate an incidence which occured recently.

My daughter is in 9th grade. She travels to her school everyday using public transport which roughly takes an hour for her to reach school.There was another chinese girl ( lets call her ying )who used to travel by the same bus and soon both became acquainted.My kid was looking to upgrade her cell phone so that she could use one for texting,like all teens.But my contract with the company does not end for another year.She was happy to get a used one in the interim.Ying offered her out of contract & used,but in excellent condition, pantech phone for $15.00 and she agreed.When my kid comes home I ask her where is the charger for the phone and she said that the Ying could not find it and will give it to her in a day or so,as the phone was not charged it was as good as none.To cut to the chase,Ying did not give the charger,after which we paid $10 @ radioshack and bought one.Once the phone was charged to our surprise,the speaker of the phone was kaput.When my child email'd her she got a response from Ying who said that the phone was in perfect condition when she gave it to her and never to be seen hence. We were like WTF!! Lesson well learnt.

Moral: These are fking leeches. Stay away

sometimes I feel that the safed and the peela are joined at the Hips and taking the World for a big ride.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Jul 2012 20:22

wong wrote: Red Bull (energy drink)
Jimmy Choo (shoes)
Vera Wang (fashion)
Alexander Wang (fashion)
HTC (cell phones)
TSMC (chip foundry)
YouTube (internet)
Nvidia (computers)
Linksys (networking)
Asus (computers)

These are Chinese companies?

Are you high on your rentier state's products or something?!

By your impeccable logic the entire Silicon Valley can be considered largely an Indian creation. What I don't get is:
1) why are you not proud of your creations that you feel the need to include everything under the sun "founded by people of Chinese descent" rather than "companies owned by Chinese citizens"?
2) why do you guys think that making someone look bad is the same as making yourself look good? Must be the height of insecurity or perhaps despite all glory and shine, you know in your mind that you have no clothes - what you are afraid of is the world finding out and the consequent loss of face (no wonder, any form of ridicule riles you up).

wong · Post by **wong** » 10 Jul 2012 20:36

Raja Bose wrote:
wong wrote: Red Bull (energy drink)
Jimmy Choo (shoes)
Vera Wang (fashion)
Alexander Wang (fashion)
HTC (cell phones)
TSMC (chip foundry)
YouTube (internet)
Nvidia (computers)
Linksys (networking)
Asus (computers)
These are Chinese companies? Are you high on your rentier state's products or something?!

By your impeccable logic the entire Silicon Valley can be considered largely an Indian creation. What I don't get is:
1) why are you not proud of your creations that you feel the need to include everything under the sun "founded by people of Chinese descent" rather than "companies owned by Chinese citizens"?
2) why do you guys think that making someone look bad is the same as making yourself look good? Must be the height of insecurity or perhaps despite all glory and shine, you know in your mind that you have no clothes - what you are afraid of is the world finding out and the consequent loss of face (no wonder, any form of ridicule riles you up).

Wow, the height of Indianism. I'm impressed. Silicon Valley was founded by men like Robert Noyce, Hewlett & Parkard, Andy Grove and Gordon Moore. None have even a drop of Indian blood. In modern times, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Kleiner, Perkins, Pierre Omidyar, Jerry Yang, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page and Sergey Brin. Again, not even a tiny bit Indian.

Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. I should know. I was born in Taipei.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 10 Jul 2012 20:46

wong wrote:Wow, the height of Indianism. I'm impressed. Silicon Valley was founded by men like Robert Noyce, Hewlett and Parkard, Gordon Moore. None have even a drop of Indian blood. In modern times, Steve Jobs, Pierre Omidyar, Jerry Yang, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page and Sergey Brin. Again, not even a tiny bit Indian.

That is what is implied wong ji. Read again.

wong wrote:Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. I should know. I was born in Taipei.

Well now in that case it only makes you a traitor to your people, does it not? I mean wanting to club RoC with PRC. So far as the world can see one place is where people are free and another place they are not.

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 10 Jul 2012 20:47

wrdos wrote: It is why China can export all kinds of equipment around the world while India can only export resources or some servant service, just as the last 300 years.

Including this which is more prevalant nowadays

China’s Latest Export: Stock Fraud

http://business.time.com/2011/06/14/chi ... ock-fraud/

wong · Post by **wong** » 10 Jul 2012 20:51

I'll ignore the name calling (nothing new here) and continue with Chinese brands...

Norinco (firearms)
Alibaba (e-commerce)
Tsingtao Beer (alcohol)
Bank of China (banking)
Shanghai Watch Company (tourbillon)
Sina Weibo (Internet)

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 10 Jul 2012 20:53

wong wrote:
Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. I should know. I was born in Taipei.

Yes, you obviously place a lot of importance on people's birthplaces. As in "AQ Khan was born in Bhopal, India. Therefore he is Indian, and everything he did/does is an Indian achievement."

Kind of like the Westerners who take great delight in pointing out that the Buddha was born in Nepal, so Buddhism is a Nepalese philosophy which had nothing to do with India.

vina · Post by **vina** » 10 Jul 2012 21:01

wong wrote:I'll ignore the name calling (nothing new here) and continue with Chinese brands...

Norinco (firearms)
Alibaba (e-commerce)
Tsingtao Beer (alcohol)
Bank of China (banking)
Shanghai Watch Company (tourbillon)
Sina Weibo (Internet)

Dude. None of those companies have any brand recall or value globally outside China and are essentially worthless globally.

For eg, while you may have delusions of grandeur about "Haier" / "TCL" , "Lenovo" whatever, Haier and TCL don't even scratch anything here in India , despite the "China Price" . They hardly sell.

The overwhelming bulk of China's merchandise exports is basically 3rd party makers who manufacture in China to export to other parts of the world (the American, European, Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans) who use China as a manufacturing base, and of course the native Chinese entrepreneurs (they have my deepest admiration and respect, I detest the Commie Thugs) who export toys and trinkets and myriad other stuff out of the Pearl River delta.

The "value addition" that happens in China (like in iThing) is largely purely labor and the is usually less than $10 or so in a $400 iThing (roughly 2.5 to 3%).

And no, China is really not doing much, but contributing labor (near slave labor in most case ) in all that manufacture.

As for engineering and other higher skilled areas, if the Cherry QQ-6 /S21 is an example, God..oops Mao save you.

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 10 Jul 2012 21:06

wong wrote: Red Bull (energy drink)
Jimmy Choo (shoes)
Vera Wang (fashion)
Alexander Wang (fashion)
HTC (cell phones)
TSMC (chip foundry)
YouTube (internet)
Nvidia (computers)
Linksys (networking)
Asus (computers)

These are Chinese companies?

Are you high on your rentier state's products or something?!

By your impeccable logic the entire Silicon Valley can be considered largely an Indian creation. What I don't get is:
1) why are you not proud of your creations that you feel the need to include everything under the sun "founded by people of Chinese descent" rather than "companies owned by Chinese citizens"?
2) why do you guys think that making someone look bad is the same as making yourself look good? Must be the height of insecurity or perhaps despite all glory and shine, you know in your mind that you have no clothes - what you are afraid of is the world finding out and the consequent loss of face (no wonder, any form of ridicule riles you up).[/quote]

Wow, the height of Indianism. I'm impressed. Silicon Valley was founded by men like Robert Noyce, Hewlett & Parkard, Andy Grove and Gordon Moore. None have even a drop of Indian blood. In modern times, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Kleiner, Perkins, Pierre Omidyar, Jerry Yang, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page and Sergey Brin. Again, not even a tiny bit Indian.

Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. I should know. I was born in Taipei.[/quote]
Height of chicomism indeed, any more oral diarrhea my deal Fliend? Sure, you were born in Taipei, I was born in Beijing too... The kind of arrogance by the princes from muddle c0ndom is mind blowing to say the least. By the way when was the last time some Chinese achieved something without cheating?

vina · Post by **vina** » 10 Jul 2012 21:06

wong wrote:Wow, the height of Indianism. I'm impressed. Silicon Valley was founded by men like Robert Noyce, Hewlett & Parkard, Andy Grove and Gordon Moore. None have even a drop of Indian blood. In modern times, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Kleiner, Perkins, Pierre Omidyar, Jerry Yang, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page and Sergey Brin. Again, not even a tiny bit Indian.

Hmm. And I thought that all the Indians I saw in thousands in Silly Con valley were actually working in those tech companies,a significant many founded by them, many actually funding others as VCs , an now we hear from you that they were actually swatting flies.

And oh, Vinod Khosla, Ram Shriram , the Brocade guy, the LSI Logic guys,Hotmail guy and others, made their billions and millions not by founding companies and being VCs , but actually swatting flies. Sure, they must have swatted literally trillions of flies then.

Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. I should know. I was born in Taipei.

Ah, I see. Then every one came originally from the Eve in Africa, so I guess, everything in the world has actually been done by Africans!

wong · Post by **wong** » 10 Jul 2012 21:09

^^^^

Vina, that's not true. Norinco AK47s are sought after in the US because of their quality and because they've become rare. I am addressing this from the American perspective. The complete list is on the previous page. Let's say Jimmy Choos sells 50 pence flip flops in India, I would still include it on the list because from the American/English perspective he sells £1,000 shoes in London.

wong · Post by **wong** » 10 Jul 2012 21:10

Vina, you are comparing the hotmail guy to Robert Noyce and Steve Jobs??

Unbelievable, but fun!

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Jul 2012 21:12

wong wrote: Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. I should know. I was born in Taipei.

Nice try

Anyhow I doubt you are Taiwanese - I have yet to meet a single self-respecting Taiwanese who thinks he is a citizen of PRC or has delusions of brotherly unity. That would be like me claiming citizenship of Bangladesh becoz I am a Bengali.

You can trot out all the names you want (now that's 'name calling'

) and hide under fig leafs such as "founded by people of Chinese descent" (equal-equal to a "Chinese company") and "Taiwan is part of PRC" - all you are doing is getting yourself ridiculed. Carry on.....

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 10 Jul 2012 21:13

wong wrote:Vina, you are comparing the hotmail guy to Robert Noyce and Steve Jobs??

Unbelievable, but fun!

And you are labeling YouTube as a Chinese company how funny is that?

wong · Post by **wong** » 10 Jul 2012 21:15

^^^^
Says hotmail and spelling bees.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Jul 2012 21:16

wong wrote:^^^^

Vina, that's not true. Norinco AK47s are sought after in the US because of their quality and because they've become rare. I am addressing this from the American perspective. The complete list is on the previous page. Let's say Jimmy Choos sells 50 pence flip flops in India, I would still include it on the list because from the American/English perspective he sells £1,000 shoes in London.

AK47s made in Dera Adam Khel are in high demand too - no wonder Norinco AK47 copies are too.

BTW by which twisted logic of yours is Jimmy Choo from PRC? The guy was born in Malaysia and lives in London. By your logic, Africans created everything in the world, including you! They must be the world's #1 super power

vina · Post by **vina** » 10 Jul 2012 21:18

wong wrote:^^^^

Vina, that's not true. Norinco AK47s are sought after in the US because of their quality and because they've become rare.

Believe me. Between importing a "collector's item" from the original russian factory , to a bunch of drug runners buying el-cheapo Norinco knock offs, there is a massive difference. Maybe you are confusing the two.

I am addressing this from the American perspective. The complete list is on the previous page. Let's say Jimmy Choos sells 50 pence flip flops in India, I would still include it on the list because from the American/English perspective he sells £1,000 shoes in London.

Give it a rest. It makes no sense . For one, the definition of a PRC company is one that is founded and grew out of PRC and is domiciled in PRC. So, leave out companies founded by Chinese immigrants elsewhere or Taiwanese companies. It is as stupid as claiming that Hotmail or Bose are "Indian" companies because they were founded by Indian immigrants. They are not, both legally and /or in any sense of the world.

So stick to Haier and TCL kind of things , if this is to have any sanity.

wong · Post by **wong** » 10 Jul 2012 21:19

^^^^

Okay, so Indians can claim diaspora but Chinese can't.
Got it, but you gotta tell me these Indian rules

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 10 Jul 2012 21:33

wong wrote:^^^^

Okay, so Indians can claim diaspora but Chinese can't.
Got it, but you gotta tell me these Indian rules

What diaspora genius? Who is the Indian you are referring to who has called a western company indian because some Indian is the CEO of the co. ? As far as I know only Chinese has been doing that on this forum.... Moaning about how some Taiwanese American who invented something in America is an example of chinese (prc) innovation..do you want proof of that?

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 10 Jul 2012 21:36

Why do you guys waste time with wong?

He is a 0.50 yuaner, or believes it is his duty to act like an unpaid volunteer.

He spends more time posting all kind of unsubstantiated opinions, with the sole purpose of pricking the Indians. And his facts are anti-facts (Taiwan == China). Put him on ignore. There other posters here who post much more relevant and useful information.

Anyone can make an occasional mis-statements; however wong only makes mis-statements.

He is a troll and needs to be treated like one. Do not waste your precious time, interacting with him. You have better things to do.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 10 Jul 2012 21:36

wong wrote:Okay, here's a list of brands founded by the Chinese. If the founder is ethnically Han Chinese, I'm including it.

Not on this thread. Its title is PRC Economy, not ethnic Chinese or greater China. Stop trolling.

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 10 Jul 2012 21:39

wong wrote:^^^^
Says hotmail and spelling bees.

Um... Read that again prince from muddle c0ndom, it was in response to your genius post about how sicillion valley has no contributions from Indians... do you even read before commenting?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 10 Jul 2012 23:07

wong wrote:I'll ignore the name calling (nothing new here) and continue with Chinese brands...

Norinco (firearms)
Alibaba (e-commerce)
Tsingtao Beer (alcohol)
Bank of China (banking)
Shanghai Watch Company (tourbillon)
Sina Weibo (Internet)

These are the companies that could compete then could be be mentioned instead of red bull et all.

Unless each and all of these come to India and are popular it is difficult to claim such. I remember this because there is a Haier machine I have seen work. It looks like a not too great an image projection even for companies present in India like Haier.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 10 Jul 2012 23:37

Newsweek (Europe) has an excellent article on Chinese economy.Is there anybody with Newsweek subscription?

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 10 Jul 2012 23:39

rsingh wrote:Newsweek (Europe) has an excellent article on Chinese economy.Is there anybody with Newsweek subscription?

is this the one you'r reffering to

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... racle.html

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 10 Jul 2012 23:55

Ah, but you see, name calling (Namavali) is such an ancient and honoured tradition in India. Which of the thousand names to revere and cherish, out of the litany of the Cheena Sahasranama? Do I hear "Mahamayo?"

Waah waah, mazaa aa gaya. Such an apt moniker, na? Facades and clones, smoke, mirrors, and yes - drones. Meditate on this moniker, my friends. Much subtle truth and deep wisdom is hidden within.

All is maya onlee. Koti koti pranaams to Cheena. Jai Hu, Jai (Maha) Ma(y)o.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 11 Jul 2012 00:08

Please stop feeding trolls.