Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 11 Jul 2012 18:17

habal wrote:there is only a 3-4 year window where India has a chance to prevail.

Whatever the timeframe, what concerns me is our political will to acknowledge, plan and execute a plan to negate this problem. The acknowledgement part concerns me. The latter two our armed forces and security services can take care of.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Jul 2012 18:22

Anujan wrote:Apparently the minarets of a Ahmadi mosque was demolished. The striking quote was:
The local police officers, DSP Kharian, Sultan Amir, and SHO Kharian, Rana Zahid Naeem, both personally supervised the erasure of the Kalima and minarets demolition work, it was further reported.

SSridhar wrote: This is consistent with Pakistan's Laws. How can a group, declared as non-Muslims and ordered not to use any Islamic symbolisms at all, have the temerity to write the Kalima on their walls ? Didn't the Pakistani state itself erase the word Muslim from the epitaph of Dr. Abdus Salaam leaving it "Here lies the first ~~Muslim~~ Nobel Laureate. . ." ? DSP Sultan Amir, and SHO Rana Zahid Naeem have simply done their sacred duty. Allah-o-Akbar.

This is very interesting. Let us assume a kafir put Kalima on their wall, which is a No No. But then doesn't destroying the wall, that has the kalima, amount desecration of Allah's words and thus blasphemy?

How is it different from, say a muslim tearing and burning of a Quran printed by a non-muslim in a non-islamic printing machine?

Allah works in mysterious ways onlee...

habal · Post by **habal** » 11 Jul 2012 18:23

It is part of this strategy to sneak in weak, indecisive & unmasculine leaders on India. We can't remember when the last time was when a robust 40+ leader was installed in any position of power in India. It's always a procession of aged and then the damn aged and about to retire.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 11 Jul 2012 18:26

Altair wrote:
habal wrote:United States is India's biggest enemy
About time India acknowledges this publicly and act accordingly

Nope, one only reduces one's options by declaring one party or another as an enemy. This applies even to the Paks.

At the same time one needs to view the situation without any mental blinders, which many DIEs find difficult to do.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jul 2012 18:30

Pakistani consular official recalled over sex assault allegation

An official with the Consulate General of Pakistan in Toronto has been recalled following an inquiry into a sexual assault allegation.

The married father of two allegedly assaulted a female passport applicant inside the North York consulate in February.

Toronto Police were not called to investigate the matter. Consular officials conducted their own investigation which wrapped up late last month.

After collecting statements from both sides, the investigative committee declared the man was “totally unfit” for government service.

The committee “held the accused guilty of trying to use his position to coax the victim into a locked room with malicious intentions of molesting/physically assaulting her,” said a consular report obtained by the Toronto Sun.

The June 23 report shows that the allegation was reported on Feb. 12 by a “respected community member.” The consular official allegedly took the victim “into an isolated locked room.”

The victim is identified as a Pakistani-Canadian woman from Thorncliffe. The report states that the employee was in charge of MRP (machine-readable passport) processing.
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/10/pa ... allegation

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 11 Jul 2012 18:37

habal wrote:there is only a 3-4 year window where India has a chance to prevail.

There's Professor who teaches political science in a very prestigious university in Hyderabad who said to me that India and Pakistan will be jointly opposing US very soon and there are some folks in our government who are going to make it so. These are leftist dirtbags doing it for all the wrong purposes but opposing US influence over India is acceptable to me.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Jul 2012 18:41

^ Altair garu,

OT, so will stop with this post. If you want to reply, please do so in Off-topic thread.

The people you mention a collusion of Indo-Pak interests against USA, that too amounting to a war, will be in the lines of Marxist-Islam.

That would be permanent undoing of Independent India and will take us back to pre-western colonization era. We know how it was.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jul 2012 19:20

habal wrote:United States is India's biggest enemy, & it's modus operandi is pretty cute.

It will not allow India to invade Pakistan, as Mr. Pranab Mukherjee has pointed out .. "If we had entered PoK, they would have invaded Kashmir". "they" in this case clearly refers to UN under protection of US.

So game plan of US is to continuously instigate Pakistan against India, and play off both and make a sham pretension to be neutral. It simultaneously ties India's retaliatory capacity with implicit threats to use NATO and UN against supposedly disputed territory. In this play-off against each other only gainer is US.

Someone wrote in the Mughal era thread in general discussion forum on Akbar playing off two groups of brahmins by giving them weapons and replacing the fallen ones by muslim soldiers. So gradually it's anybody's guess as to who really won.

this is whats going on here.

India is not allowed to retaliate, and Pakistan is encouraged to poke and prod. Ultimately it's not Pakistan, but India that will fall underneath this contradiction.

You need go no further than this article posted earlier by Sridhar
http://idsa.in/idsacomments/NATOSupplyL ... een_060712

the unkindest cut of all was that the Americans were blatantly using the India card to ratchet up the pressure and force compliance on Pakistan.

They know how to exploit Pakistan’s insecurity and indeed its inveterate hatred of and compulsive hostility towards India–

But Sushant Sareen has it spot on when he says:

No-war-no-peace suits America for now and in these circumstances the US can cause enormous uneasiness inside the Pakistani establishment circles by not merely tilting but actually weighing in on India’s side. This sort of limited hyphenation actually suits India as well because it helps India get a lot more out of both the US and Pakistan than would have been possible otherwise.

The article is a keeper.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 11 Jul 2012 19:23

Altair wrote:
habal wrote:there is only a 3-4 year window where India has a chance to prevail.
There's Professor who teaches political science in a very prestigious university in Hyderabad who said to me that India and Pakistan will be jointly opposing US very soon and there are some folks in our government who are going to make it so. These are leftist dirtbags doing it for all the wrong purposes but opposing US influence over India is acceptable to me.

Does that mean Paki are going to give up their claim on Cashmere? Not going to happen.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Jul 2012 19:45

A matter of perception - Op Ed in DT

We must understand that our nuclear deterrence is not absolute but is relative. It is relative to India and is time-specific, both in application and in being. Given India’s economic resources and her pace of nuclear/space research and development, our nuclear deterrence could become either woefully inadequate or irrelevant in about 10 years. That means we have 10 years to transit from an irrational nuclear standoff to a constructive regional engagement.

Most Pakistanis would take this as the last window of opportunity to bring India to its knees and fly the jihadi Islamic flag on top of Red Fort.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 11 Jul 2012 20:07

Off course US would not want any war between naPakis and Indians but the Indian people by voting congress politicians is themselves to blame.

I doubt very much about Mr. Pranab Mukkherji that US forces would enter Kashmir. US forces have never entered any other democractic (or even a false democratic country like naPakis).

The problem is not the US supporting naPakis but Indians letting US support naPakis. Why can't Indians become more aggressive vis-a-vis naPakis all over the world from D.C , London, Hongkong, Melbourne, Paris to Middle east? The problem is INACTION!! or too little too late!! or idiotic response like Dosiers! and "Evidence has been provided". The correct response to 26/11 type terrorist action is the bombing of Lahore/Sialkote and arresting/kicking out all Pakis from India!!! Even banning Deobandi/Salafi/Wahabi practice of religion.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 11 Jul 2012 20:09

Now at this very time had I been the PM., I would have asked Mr. Bill clinton to take his words back about the murder of Sikhs at chattisinghpura in Kashmir!! and have protested at the highest possible level to get the point across! but what is the Sikh PM of GOI doing? nothing!! especially when these na Pakis have maligned the military forces of Democractic India falsely blaming them!!

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 11 Jul 2012 20:12

SBajwa ji, it is the UN forces entering Kashmir, not a direct US forces entering Kashmir. India can then wash it's hands off Kashmir, under the pretext of UN mandate, dictated by US, it can then do what it wants with Kashmir.

habal · Post by **habal** » 11 Jul 2012 20:13

shiv wrote:The article is a keeper.

that article was what prompted me.

From the Indian perspective, Pakistan without US backing can be dealt with in matter of days. Even Pakistan is aware of that it cannot openly engage Indian in an war. Especially if it escalates to nuclear stage then the war will even be shorter. Atleast in a conventional war, they have slightly more maneuvering space for a few more days.

US is also aware of this that Pakistan can be easily defeated if left to it's own. And thus restrains it to preserve Pakistan's longevity and to poke India for another day.

Pakistan especially it's generals are aware that despite the bluster, they can be easily defeated in any full-scale conflict. Thus it pays to take heed of US advice of restraint and restricting adventures to poke and probe. They also know that US can easily take down Pakistan if India is in some ways defeated and Pakistan is the only game in town, i.e. supposing after
all the prodding and probing India does fall down under it's internal contradictions like the Soviet Union. They know that Pakistan by itself cannot restrict the US.

Both India & Pakistan are now aware that the US is playing each other off with a specific intention to weaken India and destabilize Pakistan.

So what are the options for Pakistan:
a. Make a covert pact with India to keep up discussion, dialogue specifically in order to prevent any misunderstanding arising due to US machinations. And prevent any resultant hasty steps.

b. Agree with India to covertly support any fight against US and agree to stand besides India atleast in the initial stages of any war. In the final stages, ofcourse jehadis can be launched to initiate a ghazwa while India is exhausted after a war. This is what Zaid Hamid and Hamid Gul are counting upon.

c. Supply taps from persian gulf will be soon closed and US will fall back on strategic reserves and thus maintain pre-eminance. This is the ace up their sleeve. They will do this while shifting over to alternate technologies themselves and sharing it with allies. But this will tie down India & China. So thus the 4-5 year window for India & China to get even with US.

d. It seems US attempts to destabilize Pakistan are more successful than they wished for. And Pakistanis being the true descendants of Mughals cannot make a living within frugal means. It's a zero sum game.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 11 Jul 2012 20:15

Altair wrote:
habal wrote:United States is India's biggest enemy
About time India acknowledges this publicly and act accordingly and the Good General did say that exactly. India and US will be seeing eye to eye very soon.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1309366

Please see my comment in Indo-US thread.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 11 Jul 2012 20:22

by Venug
SBajwa ji, it is the UN forces entering Kashmir, not a direct US forces entering Kashmir. India can then wash it's hands off Kashmir, under the pretext of UN mandate, dictated by US, it can then do what it wants with Kashmir.

This is exactly like "If this then what" "if that then what" Remember when US was actively involved with naPakis to get China away from Soviet Union in 1970 they didn't or couldn't stop Indian military from freeing Bangladesh. Why would/could they do now? The only problem that I see is Politicians.

Indira Gandhi went all over the world just before 1971 war to secure the support. Meanwhile we have fearful Shivering Politicians who won't even retaliate the murder to the innocent civilians on the pretext some foreign forces will enter our land. What sort of excuse is this!!!

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 11 Jul 2012 20:25

habal ji,

Why should TSP join hands with India at all in the first place when it is born out of hatred for India? when it's every existence is antithesis to what India is? when it is ready to GUBO to US for the last 60+ yeras, why will it join hands with India now? TSP wants US money and this is what will make it go for US even if it doesn't like US meddling in it's affairs. US money and weapons are too important for TSP's survival against India and it's wet dreams about Kashmir. There is no way TSP will join hands with India, we can forget about it.

habal · Post by **habal** » 11 Jul 2012 20:25

e. India is not failing as fast as Pakistan despite of having appointed MMS as PM. Neither is it falling entirely into US lap. Refer to the times article on MMS for sour grapes.

So Pakistan is aware that it will fall first, all other things being equal.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 11 Jul 2012 20:30

And also it is easy to bribe TSP, all US needs to say to TSP is the magic word - "Kashmir" to wean TSP away from India if it so wants. India trusting TSP and getting into a pact with it to counter US is foolishness because TSP is bound to back stab India in such an event.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 11 Jul 2012 20:38

habal wrote: From the Indian perspective, Pakistan without US backing can be dealt with in matter of days. Even Pakistan is aware of that it cannot openly engage Indian in an war. Especially if it escalates to nuclear stage then the war will even be shorter.

At an acceptable cost to India?

Atleast in a conventional war, they have slightly more maneuvering space for a few more days.

Actually Paks are at a disadvantage in a conventional conflict, nukes are regarded as an equalizer.

US is also aware of this that Pakistan can be easily defeated if left to it's own. And thus restrains it to preserve Pakistan's longevity and to poke India for another day.

Even if the US has been using the Paks, they themselves cannot deal with the Paks that easily, because of the nuke factor. Though it is proliferation that worries the US most. Paks can limp along with their nukes and with Chinese support, even if the US were to withdraw all assistance.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 11 Jul 2012 20:41

To counter US and TSP, act nice like sakuni of MB, gain from US and also from TSP, gain from their enmity and dislike for each other, exactly the way US is dealing with TSP and us, just that turn the tables on US, if possible increase the mistrust between US and TSP, too bad war in Afghanistan is winding down, US needs to be tied down in Afghansitan, US tax payers money needs to get wasted in useless wars, while India is building itself.

habal · Post by **habal** » 11 Jul 2012 20:57

Firstly US retains capability to launch false-flag attacks on India using Headley-type operatives who will eventually find an opening. Just so that Indians lose faith in Govt of India's ability to manage Pakistan and nix any higher understanding however temporary between India & Pakistan.

So while we watch US and Pakistan, we must also be prepared for false-flag attacks on our soil. And gnashing our teeth in impotent rage while we can do nothing. Or be pro-active, I believe internally India is doing what it can to prevent this possibility.

secondly, all things being equal and things proceed as per present trends, Pakistan will fail first rather than India. & US has given them a taste of things to come. Pakistan's covert war against US (they are fighting a covert war against US) is also not endearing them to her and they by habit will not totally suspend the covert war and neither will US stop retaliating in kind. In the end, if one entity has to fail, it will be Pakistan & not US.

US is afraid of Pakistan because they do not want India totally uncontrolled in the region. It is too much of uncertainty for them and thus they are wary of going full-throttle on Pakistan. They are doing something not in their nature.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 11 Jul 2012 21:07

by habal
Firstly US retains capability to launch false-flag attacks on India using Headley-type operatives who will eventually find an opening.

Now you are accusing USA of leading the 26/11 operation through David Headley aka Dawood Gilani who was trained by ISI in pakistan and was a recce in 26/11. HOW?

Dawood was an informer of FBI for drugs and thus he ( Dawood Gilani) got a plea that included he will not be extradited to India in return for information. This could easily be circumvented by extraditing him to Nepal or Mauritius or other third world country but our corruption rich Babus won't even question or probe this option with the uncle!! problem is not Uncle problem is IAS, IFS and Indian politicos!! don't blame others for your own short comings.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jul 2012 21:08

As I have been told thousands of times, the US acts in its self interest. And I repeat for the thousandth time, its self interest is in getting Pakistan to do the job it wants from Pakistan. If Pakistan agrees to do even part of the job in exchange for help against India, the US, in its self interest will help Pakistan against India.

It is in US interest if India acts aggressive towards Pakistan. It makes the US's job easier. It makes it politically easy for the US government to pass bills to aid Pakistan threatened by India. But it does not make India's job easier. It is not in US interest to make things easier for India. But it is in India's interest to make the most of a bad situation. The US wants Pakistan to survive. So India will get hit by Pakistani terrorism whether or not we fight them. And Pakistan will survive either way.

The key to breaking this is to get the US and Pakistan to get into a fight. Pakistanis need to know that they are slaves. Muslim slaves to a white Christian power attacking innocent Muslims. So much for Islamic supremacy... In a fight between Allah and America, Allah will lose because Pakistan is on Allah's side. Allah made Muslims to be American slaves. And they will only slave for Americans

Alhamdulillah to that birathers.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 11 Jul 2012 21:23

rediff ticker

20:23 Pak helicopter crashes in Gilgit-Baltistan; five killed: A Mi-17 helicopter of Pakistan Army crashed in the northern Gilgit-Baltistan region today, killing all five persons on board who were returning from a sortie to Gyari sector of Siachen, the army said.

The helicopter of the army's aviation wing was on its way back from the Gyari sector when it caught fire and crashed at the airport in Skardu town, police officials were quoted as saying by TV news channels.

The army confirmed the incident in a brief statement and said five persons on board, including two pilots, were killed. The statement said the helicopter was on a routine test flight.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 11 Jul 2012 21:34

RamaY wrote: This is very interesting. Let us assume a kafir put Kalima on their wall, which is a No No. But then doesn't destroying the wall, that has the kalima, amount desecration of Allah's words and thus blasphemy?

How is it different from, say a muslim tearing and burning of a Quran printed by a non-muslim in a non-islamic printing machine?

Allah works in mysterious ways onlee...

Unlike ahmadis, kafirs don't claim to be Muslims. So that's fine.

Either way, all these issues come up only when somebody with a stick says it. And when somebody with a bigger stick says something, then that becomes Islamic. It is the size of the stick that determines islamicity.

habal · Post by **habal** » 11 Jul 2012 21:35

SBajwa wrote:don't blame others for your own short comings.

whose side are you on ?

this is dual-identity crisis. Can't extradite Headley excuse is both a cover and an accusation.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 11 Jul 2012 21:38

The US is arming Pakistan for maintaining strategic balance against India, arming India to maintain strategic balance against China, arming China covertly and other surrounding nations to maintain balance in South East Asia, fantastic!!! Good for their business. They are asking the Pakis to do more against terrorists attacking only the US, asking India to do more in Kashmir, asking the Chinese to do more to avoid confrontation with them. Did I see a UK documentary sympathizing the so called torture to terrorist scumbags who have blood of so many innocent people on their hands, maybe they have forgotten Guantanamo or Abu Gharib. Also, when their interests in Pakistan were being hurt, they promptly made a documentary on the Paki double cross and spread it across, now that the routes have been opened and their right interests been served, its back to business with the usual India bashing.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 11 Jul 2012 21:48

+1 But the powers that be do not realise that. *sigh*

I live in a country I fiercely love (CONgress ruled)

I live in a state that I love (BJP ruled)

Twixt the devil and the deep blue sea

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 11 Jul 2012 22:07

Of all the CTs floating around, I must say this "UN (led by US) will take over J&K" is the biggest pile of horse$hit ever. The main reason our leaders chose to take no military action following 26/11 and similar acts is a fear of the unknown with TSP and its crown jewels. Yes there are plenty of powerful lobbies and people that would move heaven and earth to dissuade an Indian Cold Start or other military responses to TSPA provocations but the biggest deterrent is within.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jul 2012 22:10

^ +1.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 11 Jul 2012 22:34

Ya you are right on that part, the biggest deterrent is from within. The problem is Indian leaders who have been at the helm of powers have shown little heart. Its surprising how the leaders can be so much disconnected from the masses, year after year, one attack after the other, no conclusive action, no policy making, no hard stance, nothing. Its like one terrorist attack, move on, next one, move on until some miracle happens by itself and the bloodshed stops. The Pakis can dare to attack Indian troops, perform unforgivable crimes, kill innocent people, war monger, threaten India with nuke rhetoric and are still given a freehand, only because they show this mindset that they have noting to lose and India has everyhing to lose in a war. When would the action follow, a few days back, some TV channels were reporting how a bomb was found near a Mumbai mall in an area where kids were playing, apparently they found it, what would have happened if it had detonated, who is accountable for all these, a life lost bleeds India more than any amount of money/prosperity can ever bring. First the leaders should be made to realize this, policies in India should be made for Indians and always to safeguard interests/life/happiness of Indians first, foremost and always, love/peace with terrorist scums in greed for some nobel peace prize can always come later.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Jul 2012 22:42

We take Pakistan way too seriously. It is just a pile of joke. Ignore Pakistan and move on. Yes they sponsor terrorism, and yes they will sell their mother and more to anyone who promises to help them against India. But one of the things we should realize is that Pakistan is not just anti-India, it is anti-civilization and anti-modernity and will eventually self destruct or become a Chihuahua.

Chihuahua: A dog which is more like an overgrown rat, which is aggressive, takes itself way too seriously and bites anyone who comes near. Also a poodle of famous hollywood gori actress types.

In the decade of the 2000's if Pakistan had played its cards right, it could have armed itself to become many times stronger, made Afghanistan a close ally-client state, improved its economy, negotiated preferential market access, become a hub of energy transportation nobody could ignore, become a major feedline for China's imports and exports.

Instead they are burning NATO trucks, sheltering OBL, killing Jews and sending terrorists to bomb times square. And yes, also send terrorists to India.

India can easily deal with them by strengthening ourselves from within. Better policing, better judicial process, rule of law and no political compromises on terrorism as form of internal and external "concessions".

There used to be a time when India had to deal with Pakistan to deal with terrorism in India (80's and 90's); for example in Punjab and JK. That time is long since gone.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 11 Jul 2012 22:47

Rental raja finds perfect solution for paki loadshedding. Loadshed the loadshedding across the country

[url=xxxhttp://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspap ... ut-country]Govt decides equal loadshedding throughout country[/url]

The Federal Cabinet has decided that loadshedding on equal basis would be ensured throughout the country.

The meeting held here in Islamabad on Wednesday with Prime Minister Raja Parvez Ashraf in the chair.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 11 Jul 2012 23:07

CT or not, this is what Pranab Murkherjee seems to have said:

This happened as recently as December 2008. An angry Congress president, Sonia Gandhi, had convened a meeting of the Congress Working Committee after terrorists had attacked Mumbai killing more than 170 people, to send a strong message and also pave the way to sack some ministers.

Gandhi didn't lose her temper but let principal troubleshooter Pranab Mukherjee do as he liked. One after another, senior members of the CWC got up to demand that India launch an attack on Pakistan to teach that country a lesson.

Finally, when veteran Kashmir leader Karan Singh demanded the same, Mukherjee erupted: "Do you understand what you are all saying? If we do that (attack Pakistan), foreign forces will enter Kashmir the next day. We have kept them out of Kashmir all these years. And now you want us to invite them in?"

From:
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 120616.htm

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 11 Jul 2012 23:22

Is it really an option for us to ignore Pakistan and move on? Unfortunately, we can't wait for Pakistan to self destruct and I don't think it would any time sooner. Imagine this, my neighbour is a suicide bomber always wearing a bomb strapped vest, is an acute psychopath and serial killer whose only aim in life is to blow me up. Fine, only that the local so called policeman is hand in glove with him and is supporting the cause by supplying him truck loads of gasoline. What do I do? Do I go oneday and kiss his hands and beg for peace/forgiveness/living equal equal hoping that he wouldn't take the opportunity to blow me up and knowing very well that he is a psycho beyond help? or do I lock myself in my house hoping he dies of old age or just disappears in thin air? again all fine, only that I have my old parents in my house, a big family, kids all whom I dearly love, also neighbours, their kids, all near and dear. In such a situation, can I afford to go my way and ignore him or make peace with him, that would be like blood in my hands, if something goes wrong which history has taught would definitely be the case. Now coming back, the Pakis have killed so many innocent Indians just for hatred which they harbor, inaction by pushing history aside, they are being given a chance to pick/choose/kill at will not to forget all the blood in our own hands whom we have sacrificed.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 11 Jul 2012 23:27

^^
This seems nonsensical, so could have the foreign forces entered Kashmir in 1947, 1965, 1971, 1984, 1999 etc.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 11 Jul 2012 23:28

^^
well put Ivanev. Except I would replace psychopath with sociopath. That opens up more options for us.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 11 Jul 2012 23:31

Dipanker wrote:^^
This seems nonsensical, so could have the foreign forces entered Kashmir in 1947, 1965, 1971, 1984, 1999 etc.

Pranab is an "old woman" frightened of action. Ironic that an actual "old woman" knew how to take action in 1971.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 11 Jul 2012 23:34

Ivanev wrote:Is it really an option for us to ignore Pakistan and move on? Unfortunately, we can't wait for Pakistan to self destruct and I don't think it would any time sooner. Imagine this, my neighbour is a suicide bomber always wearing a bomb strapped vest, is an acute psychopath and serial killer whose only aim in life is to blow me up. Fine, only that the local so called policeman is hand in glove with him and is supporting the cause by supplying him truck loads of gasoline. What do I do? Do I go oneday and kiss his hands and beg for peace/forgiveness/living equal equal hoping that he wouldn't take the opportunity to blow me up and knowing very well that he is a psycho beyond help? or do I lock myself in my house hoping he dies of old age or just disappears in thin air? again all fine, only that I have my old parents in my house, a big family, kids all whom I dearly love, also neighbours, their kids, all near and dear. In such a situation, can I afford to go my way and ignore him or make peace with him, that would be like blood in my hands, if something goes wrong which history has taught would definitely be the case. Now coming back, the Pakis have killed so many innocent Indians just for hatred which they harbor, inaction by pushing history aside, they are being given a chance to pick/choose/kill at will not to forget all the blood in our own hands whom we have sacrificed.

agreed. i suggest we put up a nice, high wall (tough in the mountains...but future tech will help) from kashmir to gujarat and lock ourselves up. seriously.

deal with shit....hands are bound to get dirty. better avoid it altogether.