China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 06 Jul 2012 23:32

mahadevbhu:

There is a difference between sharing your opinion or ideas, and constantly trolling, regardless of facts. In the last page wong has given a few examples of companies formed by Chinese, ALL of them falling flat on even the slightest scrutiny.

It is not a question of allowing ideas, it is the question of limiting disruptions. Think of how much energy is wasted in countering wong.

To me wong seems like a deliberate troll. His sole purpose is the disrupt the flow of information, derail discussions, generate angst and reduce productive interaction. The focus of his posts is make unsubstantiated claims which prick Indians, and then use more drivel to back them up. He rarely if ever posts anything interesting (which is not comparative) something which helps increase the knowledge.

And the posting pattern is also very suspicious. We often have guests of Chinese origin, who come for a few days, and then move on (e.g. heech). I may not agree with them, but their content is not designed to be disruptive and provocative. And they move on.

OTOH, we have these permanent CCP drones who rarely take a break, continue to waste a lot of time on BR, and invariably always produce disruptive drivel. I do not know or care whether they are directly state sponsored or just a result of the brainwashing, but they serve the purpose of becoming a nuisance very well. Their absence will only increase the quality of discussion.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 07 Jul 2012 00:26

we can use our restrain and just ignore him.. may be... from next time.. but someone will still jump on with some counter argument...

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 07 Jul 2012 03:15

^^ Wong Bhai,
Why do I see two Indians and 0 Chinese in these list ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prolific_inventors

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 07 Jul 2012 03:29

It seems wong and other chinese members like him have some kind of deep inferiority complex which prevents them from reading any kind of criticism for gleat china. The "gleat china" syndrome can be seen in various comment sections of TOI(let) paper, Ekhanomist, NY times,Al-Guardian and other western sites. These CCP dlones are quite sensitive to insults that are spewed at china (see china's century of humiliation for more info). Little do these proud dlones know how much their country has stolen tech from other countries (and still proudly does).Ofcourse, most of that is removed from the chinese media and other bull crap is put in like how china will be back in glory etc. etc. Sometimes I wonder who is on the wrong side? Dlones like wong or realists who praise as well as debate bad aspects of their country. Wong and others are just incapable of debates (sensible debates rather), so let's not waste time in that. Just report his posts for trolling as that's what they are most of the time.

So famous are these dlones that they have a wiki page on them. Soviets would have been proud of these chipandas

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party)

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 07 Jul 2012 04:01

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/usha-hale ... 49989.html

Interesting article and discussion.

I have noted this pattern in India related posts also. They will typically take up an Indian sounding name like Ram Lal and then go on about caste system, slavery, women's issue and what not.

I think they might be a viable business model for a 0.5 yuang button where you mark posts by these paid trolls and then your forum software filters them out.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Jul 2012 04:25

These are the lobby of the PRC and Pakistan which fund the articles.

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 07 Jul 2012 04:28

Acharya wrote:These are the lobby of the PRC and Pakistan which fund the articles.

billions of dollars are being spent to create this image of gleat china by ccp commies in china and their associates outside lol... No wonder obvious discrepancies in chinese economic mirale are left untouched in most of the china lising type farticles

. They are basically a Xinhua type farticle with a different heading.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Jul 2012 06:13

for lack of anything better he listed jerry yang (yahoo) and jen hsun huang (nvidia)

both are natives of taiwan and had nothing to do with either education in mainland china, being born there or ever carried mainland china citizenship.

our homie has already included taiwan in his little emirate.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 07 Jul 2012 07:23

He already sees visions of mao at Potsdam Conference, flanked by his loyal allies US, USSR and UK. He even has photos to prove it. So what is a Jerry Yang or Justin Long to him, but loyal mujahids?

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 07 Jul 2012 07:28

VikramS wrote:mahadevbhu:

There is a difference between sharing your opinion or ideas, and constantly trolling, regardless of facts. In the last page wong has given a few examples of companies formed by Chinese, ALL of them falling flat on even the slightest scrutiny.

It is not a question of allowing ideas, it is the question of limiting disruptions. Think of how much energy is wasted in countering wong.

To me wong seems like a deliberate troll. His sole purpose is the disrupt the flow of information, derail discussions, generate angst and reduce productive interaction. The focus of his posts is make unsubstantiated claims which prick Indians, and then use more drivel to back them up. He rarely if ever posts anything interesting (which is not comparative) something which helps increase the knowledge.

And the posting pattern is also very suspicious. We often have guests of Chinese origin, who come for a few days, and then move on (e.g. heech). I may not agree with them, but their content is not designed to be disruptive and provocative. And they move on.

OTOH, we have these permanent CCP drones who rarely take a break, continue to waste a lot of time on BR, and invariably always produce disruptive drivel. I do not know or care whether they are directly state sponsored or just a result of the brainwashing, but they serve the purpose of becoming a nuisance very well. Their absence will only increase the quality of discussion.

Suraj. One of the posters I most watch on here is Karan M. His posts are extremely well written and probably thats the closest I am going to get to getting my defence "fix".

Going 2 pages back, on pages 77-78, I find that almost all of his posts on here are in response to some bit post by wong et al.

So even if wong et al dont post good stuff.....they make other posters post gold. They rise to the challenge of defending India and criticizing China, and in the process come up with pretty interesting stuff.

And thats a good thing, I say!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Jul 2012 11:37

Pictures: China's Type 054A frigate

Don · Post by **Don** » 07 Jul 2012 12:44

Austin wrote:Pictures: China's Type 054A frigate

Interesting the PLAN have been on building spree on this Frigate the last few years. 18 will now be built with 14 compeleted and 4 work in progress. In addition to two type 54 already in service.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Jul 2012 13:04

The C-803 AShM on Type-054A seems like a Klub clone which is subsonic in cruise and supersonic on terminal but does not appear like a two stage missile with supersonic dart , any pictures of C-803 ? HA-16 is again a BUK clone or do they lic manuf it in China ?

By and large the 54A looks comparable to Talwar class and well balanced as multirole platform

Give a view of Ops Room of Type-054A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuzIEW_jQek

A Ka-28 almost crash landing on deck of Type-054A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpp2owD_-lI

Was it due to rough sea or pilot misjudged it as the frigate was moving very fast , Ka-28 seems robust for sea operation managed to just get out

Don · Post by **Don** » 07 Jul 2012 13:17

Austin wrote:The C-803 AShM on Type-054A seems like a Klub clone which is subsonic in cruise and supersonic on terminal but does not appear like a two stage missile with supersonic dart , any pictures of C-803 ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-803

The Yingji-83 or YJ-83 (Chinese: 鹰击-83, literally "Eagle Strike"; NATO reporting name: CSS-N- ) is a Chinese anti-ship missile based on the YJ-82, designed as a supersonic successor to the subsonic YJ-82 missile. The export designation is C-803.

SpecificationsLength: 6 – 7 m
Weight: 850 – 1200 kg
Diameter: 0.36 m
Range: 120 - 255+ km (depending on launch platform)
Cruising altitude: 10 – 50 m for initial target approach phase, 5 m for final/terminal phase (~20 km from target)
Speed:
Subsonic for initial target approach phase
Mach 1.3 for intermediary target approach phase (~30 km from target)
Mach 1.7 for final target approach phase (~20 km from target)
Mach 2 for terminal phase (~8 km from target)
Propulsion: Solid-fuel rocket booster and turbojet engine
Warhead: 165 kg semi-armour-piercing

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Jul 2012 14:05

China Counters U.S. Tilt Toward Asia By Richard Fisher, Jr.

Don · Post by **Don** » 08 Jul 2012 14:19

Those camouflage looks so dark...

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Jul 2012 21:15

Came across this recent J-10B video in u tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjnGn_weas4

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 10 Jul 2012 01:46

mahadevbhu wrote:Suraj. One of the posters I most watch on here is Karan M. His posts are extremely well written and probably thats the closest I am going to get to getting my defence "fix".

Going 2 pages back, on pages 77-78, I find that almost all of his posts on here are in response to some bit post by wong et al.

So even if wong et al dont post good stuff.....they make other posters post gold. They rise to the challenge of defending India and criticizing China, and in the process come up with pretty interesting stuff.

What's the problem here ? No one has been banned, Indian or Chinese. If the Chinese posters get critical responses, that's a function of what they posted.

Please desist from repeatedly and publicly advising other Indian posters how they should respond to Chinese posters. This isn't the first time you've interjected in the middle of a debate in this manner. If you'd like to discuss the issue, use the forum feedback thread. If you want them addressed in a particular manner, please do so on your own, instead of speaking for others.

Don · Post by **Don** » 10 Jul 2012 04:54

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China ... s_999.html

China Beats Russia on Space Launches
by Staff Writers
Moscow (RIA Novosti) Jul 09, 2012

File image.

For the first time in the history of space exploration, China beat Russia on the number of space launches in a given period of time, a rocket engine manufacturer said on Wednesday.

China conducted 10 of the world's total 35 launches in the first six months of 2012, Russia's NPO Energomash said on its website.

Russia was second with nine launches, followed by the United States with eight launches, the report said.

The list also included multinational companies Arianespace with three launches and Sea Launch with one launch, as well as India, Iran, Japan and North Korea, each of which attempted to send one satellite into orbit so far this year, the report said.

Energomash provided engines for 13 launches, or 37 percent of the world's total in 2012, said the company, which manufactures engines for Proton and Soyuz rockets.

China has been making significant headway with its space program since the 2000s. It first sent a man into orbit in 2003, conducted its first spacewalk in 2008 and its first manned spacecraft docking in June. Further plans include a permanent space station and manned flights to the moon and Mars.

Source: RIA Novosti

archan · Post by **archan** » 11 Jul 2012 17:33

Pentagon Contractor Caught Illegally Selling Military Technology to China

A six-year U.S. probe found that Pratt & Whitney, a key military hardware supplier to the U.S., sold China the software and engines needed to make its first-ever modern attack helicopter.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Jul 2012 18:48

Don wrote:http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China ... s_999.html

China Beats Russia on Space Launches
by Staff Writers
Moscow (RIA Novosti) Jul 09, 2012

India beats rest of the world on Space Launches

On April 26, 2012 India beat rest of the world on space launches when it launched the single launch that happened on that day. The entire rest of the world put together, including space powers like Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, launched ZERO satellites.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 11 Jul 2012 20:28

On April 26, 2012 India beat rest of the world on space launches when it launched the single launch that happened on that day. The entire rest of the world put together, including space powers like Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, launched ZERO satellites.

kmc_chacko · Post by **kmc_chacko** » 11 Jul 2012 21:05

RamaY wrote:
Don wrote:http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China ... s_999.html

China Beats Russia on Space Launches
by Staff Writers
Moscow (RIA Novosti) Jul 09, 2012
India beats rest of the world on Space Launches

On April 26, 2012 India beat rest of the world on space launches when it launched the single launch that happened on that day. The entire rest of the world put together, including space powers like Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, launched ZERO satellites.

from where did you got that ?

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 11 Jul 2012 23:30

He's being sarcastic, after the report that China beat Russia in the number of launches.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 12 Jul 2012 08:19

China spruces up highway through Aksai Chin

Chinese officials have said they are close to completing the repaving of the Xinjiang-Tibet national highway, which runs through the disputed Aksai Chin region, for the first time in 50 years.

Repaving of the Xinjiang section, which runs through the Aksai Chin region that India holds claims to, will be completed next month, local authorities in Yecheng county of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) were quoted as saying by the state-run Xinhua news agency on Wednesday.

This marks the first repaving in the road’s 50-year history, according to Ma Zhixin, the deputy head of Yecheng’s road administration bureau.

Construction of the road began in 1951, and its completion in 1957 caught India by surprise, triggering tensions ahead of the 1962 conflict.

According to Xinhua, the repaving began in September 2010 and cost three billion yuan ($476 million).
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nits · Post by **nits** » 12 Jul 2012 09:09

^^ and someone said; not even a grass grow in that region...

nits · Post by **nits** » 12 Jul 2012 09:20

Here they go...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Jul 2012 09:53

nits wrote:Here they go...

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3562 ... ighway.jpg

Now Pakistani trained Uighur Muslim freedom fighters can sneak into Tibet from Nepal and go by road to Xinjiang to kill some Chinese soldiers there.

nits · Post by **nits** » 12 Jul 2012 10:45

shiv wrote:
nits wrote:Here they go...

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3562 ... ighway.jpg
Now Pakistani trained Uighur Muslim freedom fighters can sneak into Tibet from Nepal and go by road to Xinjiang to kill some Chinese soldiers there.

I bet even Chinese have not thought of that

kit · Post by **kit** » 12 Jul 2012 13:02

krishnan wrote:
On April 26, 2012 India beat rest of the world on space launches when it launched the single launch that happened on that day. The entire rest of the world put together, including space powers like Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, launched ZERO satellites.

actually this is a partial report that came out when India launched 6 satellites in a pslv

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Jul 2012 02:23

VikramS wrote:wong:

Jerry Wang of Yahoo is from Taiwan.
CA's Charles Wang's family fled China soon after Mao took over (1952 when he was 8 years old)
Steve Chen of Youtube is from Taiwan.
Jen-Hsun Huang of nVidia is from Taiwan.

Why do you take so much pleasure in repeatedly making an ass of yourself? Is it a pathological need to get spanked repeatedly?

How could have I missed this bit of Indian logic? A North Korean and a South Korean are both Koreans. An East German and a West German are both considered Germans. Both people from China and Taiwan are CHINESE. Taiwan is called the Republic of China. Taiwan still claims China and Chinese territory. For 50 years, the Taiwan legislature had nominal "representative" from China even though these reps were last in China in 1949. People like Jerry Yang and Jen-Hsu Huang belong to Chinese-American organizations (like C-100) and see themselves as Chinese. Who the F are Indians to tell them otherwise?? Ridiculous.

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 13 Jul 2012 02:38

I've known Taiwanese who detested the CHINESE and had no desire of being affiliated with mainland China in any way.

OT for this Military Watch thread though.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 13 Jul 2012 02:59

Request you all to limit this discussion to "China Military Watch" and not a diaspora watch

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 13 Jul 2012 03:00

wong: If there was an award for being obdurate ass you would be the undisputed champ. You have been told multiple times that when most here talk of PRC they are talking about the CCP sponsored artificial construct. They are not talking about people of Chinese ethnicity.

I will acknowledge one thing that you are very successful in what you are doing: being a disruptive troll. And I wish you were dispatched to a re-education camp by the Admins.

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Jul 2012 03:09

Jerry Yang and Jen-Hsun Huang claim to be Chinese-American. They belong to Chinese-American political/social organization like the Committee of 100. Like I said, who are YOU to them they are not Chinese. Stop your stupidity. You can't help not bucketing people into 4,000 little groups because that's what you do and have done for thousands of years, but leave the Chinese out of it.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 13 Jul 2012 03:17

wong wrote:Jerry Yang and Jen-Hsun Huang claim to be Chinese-American. They belong to Chinese-American political/social organization like the Committee of 100. Like I said, who are YOU to them they are not Chinese. Stop your stupidity. You can't help not bucketing people into 4,000 little groups because that's what you do and have done for thousands of years, but leave the Chinese out of it.

Wong might have a point there. We should do what the Chinese do and what they have done for thousands of years. Take 4000 little groups, bucket them into one and finish them all off, then repopulate their lands with Han Chinese.

Who said the Chinese have nothing to teach us? Thanks, Wong.

RajSingh · Post by **RajSingh** » 13 Jul 2012 05:04

Mr Wong ,

Chinese as in Chinese-American refers to Chinese ethnicity and not PRC citizenship. There are lots of Chinese-Americans who would rather wish the end of PRC as such and all CCP polit bureau members put in jail. I also know a lot of Chinese decent people who cannot go back to their own country because of the CCP. Stop blabbering pointless things. If a Chinese-American or a Taiwanese or a Hong-Kongese achieves something its not because of PRC or CCP in anyways.

Stick to topic or just get out, We Indians dont go and troll your military websites in "Chinternet" anyways. If you will be respectful we all will be or else we will request the admins to "discipline" you.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 13 Jul 2012 06:14

We want discipline

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 13 Jul 2012 07:32

Deleted by moderator

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 13 Jul 2012 10:48

wong wrote:Jerry Yang and Jen-Hsun Huang claim to be Chinese-American. They belong to Chinese-American political/social organization like the Committee of 100. Like I said, who are YOU to them they are not Chinese. Stop your stupidity. You can't help not bucketing people into 4,000 little groups because that's what you do and have done for thousands of years, but leave the Chinese out of it.

The stupidity here is on your part, in persistently confusing ethnicity with nationality. They will be considered Taiwanese here, not 'Chinese' or 'Chinese-American', because that's what their nationality is.

I'm sure you're aware that besides Chinese-American organizations, there are also Taiwanese-American organizations. I would know - I've attended their events. And my Taiwanese companions there were from both Pan Blue and Pan Green sides. Unlike you, they were far less uncouth, and far more patient about describing the political issues to me, besides translating the going-ons every now and then.

I don't really believe you are Taiwanese anyway; you come across more as a brusque mainlander than a Taiwanese, who tend to be more refined and civilized people in general, in my experience. It's the mainlanders who are typically loud, annoying types.

As to Taiwan vs ROC, despite whatever they are smoking in the Legislative Yuan, Taiwan only controls the island of Taiwan, plus Kinmen and Matsu. PRC, likewise, only controls the mainland. Just because Taiwan thinks it represents the mainland or PRC imagines it represents Taiwan doesn't mean a thing to anyone else.