Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 15 Jul 2012 18:10

chetak wrote: The channels are already available across India in selected mohallas.
For example in Bangalore, localities with a large muslim and or mid east migrant population are already getting such channels.
Do you really believe that such channels are not available in large parts of Kashmir,UP, Bengal and Hyderabad as well as kerala?

I agree. Lost causes are already accessing the poison media. If we make these new stuff available to educated masses, they will eventually prevent atleast some neutrals turning into wkks.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Jul 2012 18:25

How to make the Pakistani Army liberal again:
http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... istan.html

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Jul 2012 18:30

arun wrote:Taken from a dodgy source {Clicky} which is purporting to carry the full transcript of the interview by CNN-IBN of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s High Commissioner to India, Salman Bashir.

Salman Bashir, this ill mannered creep is seriously bad news.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2012 18:32

A_Gupta wrote:How to make the Pakistani Army liberal again:
http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... istan.html

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2012 18:33

chetak wrote:
arun wrote:Taken from a dodgy source {Clicky} which is purporting to carry the full transcript of the interview by CNN-IBN of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s High Commissioner to India, Salman Bashir.

Salman Bashir, this misbegotten creep is seriously bad news.

Show me a better Paki and I will accept Salman Bashir is bad news.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Jul 2012 18:35

SSridhar wrote: Show me a better Paki and I will accept Salman Bashir is bad news.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 15 Jul 2012 18:42

Why the Saudis deported Abu Jundal

The Saudi govt seems to have developed a significant mistrust of the radical elements among the Salafis

In A recent interview to the Karachi-based Ummat, Hafiz Saeed described the two years he spent at King Saud University in Riyadh as the “turning point” in his life. He described the “deep impression” left on him by Sheikh Abdul Aziz Bin Baaz, the then Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, who had mentored Osama bin Laden as well. “If I had not met him (Sheikh Bin Baaz), perhaps the idea of setting up Jama’at-ud-Da’wah would not have come to me,’’ he recalled. “In fact, Sheikh Bin Baaz had set up an institution... to preach Islam across the world. I was so influenced by this institution that I decided to set up a similar institution in Pakistan. Thus, in 1985, I laid the foundation of Jama’at-ud-Da’wah.”

Over the years, Saeed’s group has received support from Saudi Arabia, especially because of his Salafi credentials and strong links to the kingdom’s powerful Salafi clergy. Since the beginning of militancy in Kashmir, top militant commanders have travelled freely to Saudi on pilgrimage, held important meetings and raised funds. The Saudi government’s Kashmir stance hasn’t been proactive, but the balance has tilted towards Islamabad.

Two recent incidents involving Indians in Saudi suggest this might be changing. On May 13, Fasih Mehmood, an engineer from Bihar, was picked up by Saudi security personnel — allegedly accompanied by Indian officials — from his home in Jubail. In the last week of May, a Red Corner Notice was issued, alleging his involvement in anti-national activities.

Syed Zabiuddin Ansari, suspected to be a key player behind 26/11, was arrested by the Saudis last summer. Though they agreed to deport him only after they were convinced of his identity and nationality, handing over Ansari is in itself a gamechanging step. Even if Riyadh continues to dodge New Delhi’s requests to arrest Pakistani nationals wanted in terror cases in India, Ansari’s deportation is likely to act as a deterrence to the suspects’ entry into the kingdom.

The change in Saudi policy is significant not only because of Riyadh’s strong, multi-layered relationship with Islamabad, but also because of the strong Salafi connections of the Jama’at and Lashkar-e-Toiba. There is enough evidence to suggest that Riyadh is acting systematically against the presence, on its territory, of people involved directly or indirectly in militant activity anywhere in the world. The Saudi government seems to have developed a significant mistrust of the radical elements among the Salafis. The Arab Spring has engendered a general wariness about outsiders involved in political struggles and militant movements.

When a senior Saudi official visited New Delhi in the fall of 2010 to attend a conference, he met with Salafi leaders from Kashmir and asked them to restrict their activities to the “promotion of knowledge only”. The change in the Saudi attitude was palpable, a senior Kashmiri leader said.

Sources said that the Saudis were perturbed by the assassination of the Jamiat-e-Ahle-Hadees chief Moulana Showkat Ahmad Shah in Kashmir on April 8 last year. Salafi ranks in Kashmir had swollen under Shah’s leadership, and the reason he was targeted by radical elements was the perception that he disallowed the use of the party platform for militancy. In a rare case, Lashkar, after initially blaming Indian agencies, probed the murder and concluded that the “killer was one among us”, and promised to take action.

Ansari’s arrest in Saudi Arabia in May 2011 followed the assassination of Shah, and there is every likelihood that the murder contributed to the Saudi decision to go after the alleged Lashkar operative. Shah’s assassination was condemned by Salafis in South Asia, and the Lashkar was under pressure to come clean. {Faultline?}The Imam of Ka’aba (Grand Mosque in Mecca) Abdul Rahman Ibn Abdul Aziz as-Sudais expressed deep sorrow over the assassination, and a gayabana nimaz-e jinaza (funeral prayer in absentia) was held at the Grand Mosque. In a bid to distance himself from Shah’s assassination, Hafiz Saeed too led a gaybana jinaza for Shah in Islamabad.

After 9/11 and the American intervention in Afghanistan, Lashkar refused to send fighters to join the war, claiming its interest was limited to Kashmir. Apart from the arrest of Abu Zubaydah, suspected to be involved in the 1998 attack on the US embassies in Africa, from a Lashkar safehouse in Faisalabad, Pakistan, there was no evidence of the group’s involvement in any anti-Western operation. Cases like that of the French convert Willie Brigitte, arrested in Australia, who had allegedly received arms training at a Lashkar camp, were few and isolated.

Around 2003, Lashkar’s relationship with al-Qaeda was seen as “frosty”. Evidence of cold vibes between top Lashkar commanders and the commander of al-Qaeda’s 303 Brigade can be found in David Coleman Headley’s interrogation by the National Investigation Agency. The sophistication and precision of the 26/11 attacks, however, raised Lashkar’s profile, and the Americans started comparing Lashkar with al-Qaeda. Lashkar began to feature regularly in Washington’s security talks with Islamabad, and the Americans began to prod the Saudis to help.

The formation of Difa-e-Pakistan Council, a conglomerate of 40 radical and religious organisations led by Hafiz Saeed and Samiul Haq in December last year to campaign against allowing passage to NATO supplies and to resist drone attacks inside Pakistan, led to a sharpening of US mood. In April 2012, the US offered a $10 million bounty for Saeed. Though Washington didn’t pursue the hunt for Saeed, the announcement of the bounty was part of a larger narrative.

The Salafis’ connection to the royal family of Saudi Arabia goes back to the 1744 pact between Muhammad bin Saud and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab that led to the formation of the first Saudi state. The pact has survived and the Salafi school of thought continues to instruct the Saudi government. The Al ash-Sheikh, descendants of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, are a respected religious clan in the kingdom. And Saudis have helped spread Salafi thought and movements across the world.

The rise of al-Qaeda, however, hurt this campaign badly. The blurring of the line between Salafis and the people whom the French scholar Gilles Kepel calls “Jihadist Salafis” has meant that legitimate funding of Salafi institutions — both educational and charitable — has come under increased scrutiny.

The foundations for the new cooperation between Riyadh and New Delhi were laid when King Abdullah came to India in 2006, the first such visit in 51 years, Bilateral followed by the visits of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Defence Minister A.K. Antony to Riyadh recently engagements at the top were followed by closer contact on the security front. At the same time, India’s ties with Iran have entered awkward terrain after the US sanctions on Tehran and the attack on the Israeli diplomat in Delhi, where the Delhi police claimed the role of Iranian operatives. The growing warmth between Riyadh and New Delhi has this, as well as the Saudi-Iranian chasm, as a backdrop.

So the Paki Converts want to Signal the Saudi Baap that We are the New Baap of Islamic World with Lashkars and Hafiz Saeed the New Osama under Islamic Bomb Nuk Protection.

The Kingdom has shown that It can do anything to be in Power - Clamping on its own Mohammedian bacha if need to be.

Is Saudi Pissed of the Pakis or It was Unkil's Call which released a Napak in our hands?

Also just Yesterday,

Coming from the Topdog Brookings Institution:

Al-Qaida on the ropes, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), with the help of its Pakistani backers, is now probably the most dangerous terror group in the world, according to a former CIA analyst

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The Mumbai attack, he wrote, marked the maturation of LeT from a Punjabi-based Pakistani terror group targeting India exclusively to a member of the global Islamic jihad targeting the enemies of Al-Qaida: the Crusader West, Zionist Israel, and Hindu India.

then the ISI was involved directly in the decision to murder Americans

If Saudi Arabia is now ready to act against LeT then the group will face some financial trouble as the Pakistani community in the Kingdom and the Gulf states has long been a major source of the LeT’s finances

LeT has a global presence, with cells throughout South Asia, the Persian Gulf, and into Europe, Australia and North America..

The next step from Saudi will give a clear picture.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Jul 2012 18:45

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=768833
'Unbelievable' to Allege Pak Involvement in 26/11: Bashir

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 15 Jul 2012 20:17

We Killed 3 Million Bangladeshis: Pak Army

Major General (retd) Khadim Hussain Raza

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jul 2012 20:18

SSridhar wrote:Show me a better Paki and I will accept Salman Bashir is bad news.

Sridhar, that is a loaded request. Either way, the paki gets it.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Jul 2012 20:18

A_Gupta wrote:http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=768833
'Unbelievable' to Allege Pak Involvement in 26/11: Bashir

The full transcript of the interview of Salman Bashir is on the previous page of this thread:

Clicky

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jul 2012 20:21

Pakistaniyat in full bloom. Man kills sister or Man bites dog.

A man shot dead his sister and another man on the pretext of illicit relations

Abdul Fateh sprayed his sister and another man Barkat Ali with bullets accusing them having illicit relations

So, accusations are followed by a spray of bullets. What would have happened if they were actually proven guilty?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jul 2012 20:24

In a conspiracy driven quam, here's another one. ‘Conspiracies’ mar agricultural graduate scheme

The Punjab government’s agricultural graduate scheme, envisioned by Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif in 2010 to bring green revolution, is failing due to bureaucratic hurdles and conspiracies

The agri-graduates, who were dubbed by the CM as “change agents” and allotted land under the scheme through balloting, are still knocking the doors of various departments to get what was promised to them.

Now, they are Raa agents for demanding what was promised to them.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jul 2012 20:30

Lord Nazir and his pipe dream. Lord Nazir lauds role of Pakistanis, Kashmiris in UK. Nazir is so far removed from reality that someone needs to point out the obvious.

“Overseas Pakistanis and Kashmiris, whichever field they worked in, were enhancing the soft and progressive image of Pakistan

They upheld the name of Pakistan with their services, all such people are to be appreciated and acknowledged

The community heroes, who don’t need any introduction, and all such people who sacrificed for the country despite living overseas

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 15 Jul 2012 21:06

The Saga of donation continues.....
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ajmer ... 120715.htm
"Ajmer dargah awaits Zardari's promised donation
July 15, 2012 19:09 IST
Three months after Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari [ Images ] announced $1million donation for Ajmer dargah during his visit to the country, the shrine authorities are still waiting for the release of the money....."
Gautam

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 15 Jul 2012 21:10

Poaks in the US have half the per capita income of the average Umrikhan. Indians in the US have twice the per capita income of the average Umrikhan. 31% of able bodied Muslim men and 67% of able bodies Muslim women in the UQ are unemployed. I leave it to the gentle reader to infer what the average Briturd thinks of mohammedans.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 15 Jul 2012 21:24

Five days ago, this Pakturd became an involuntary mehmaan of the US government:

Location link

Hope he is enjoying the lunch time pork and bacon in the prison mess. Wish it was for not just 2 years for this pig:
Be Back Soon
http://paktribune.com/articles/Be-Back-Soon-242938.html

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 15 Jul 2012 21:30

jrjrao wrote: Hope he is enjoying the lunch time pork and bacon in the prison mess. Wish it was for not just 2 years for this pig:

Much to this Kafir's regret, no pork is served in California prisons. The federal system will most probably be the same. The only hope is Texas and the South.
Read:
http://blogcritics.org/politics/article ... surrender/
Gautam

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 15 Jul 2012 21:36

B. Raman on opening up for pak TV channels.
posting in full
Unwise to Lift Ban on Pak TV Programmes

In 1989, widespread demonstrations, some of them leading to violence, broke out in Jammu & Kashmir against the Government of India.

2. That was the time when East Europe was in turmoil with large-scale demonstrations against their Communist regimes by the people of the then East Germany, Rumania etc.

3. Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence acquired visuals of these massive demonstrations in East Europe and started beaming them through Pakistani TV to the people of J&K, with appeals to emulate the people of East Europe and come out in the streets to demonstrate against the Government of India.

4. Shri V. P. Singh, the then Prime Minister, and Shri Vinod Pandey, the then Cabinet Secretary, convened an emergency meeting of the Secretaries’ Committee to discuss how to counter this.

5. The head of the R&AW was directed to take whatever measures were necessary to prevent Pakistani TV programmes from being receivable in J&K and authorised to procure the necessary equipment for this purpose. The equipment was acquired on an emergency basis and the Pakistani TV’s programmes were effectively jammed.

6. Since then, we have been careful to see that Pakistani TV programmes are not receivable in India for the following reasons:

To prevent dissemination of programmes that could incite sections of our population to violence

To prevent dissemination of wrong information that could cause communal violence.

To prevent attempts to subvert the loyalty of any section of our population to the Government of India.

7. After the 9/11 terrorist strikes in the US, many Governments have armed themselves with powers to ban TV programmes that could tend to incite their population to take to violence or terrorism. For example, there is a ban in many Western countries on the Al-Aqsa TV channel of Hamas.TV channels of Iran are not allowed to be shown in many countries.

8. On July 7, 2010, the Agence France Presse (AFP) disseminated the following report: “On July 7, 2010, the French government instructed its broadcasting authority to take Hamas’ Al-Aqsa TV off the air. The satellite channel was broadcast on Eutelsat, a French satellite company headquartered in Paris. French Foreign Ministry spokesman Bernard Valero said that the instruction was given when France received a warning from the European Commission that the channel repeatedly violated European laws by showing programs which incited hatred or violence for reasons of religion or nationality, mostly against Israel and Judaism.”

9. At a time when we are still grappling with the evil of jihadi terrorism emanating from Pakistan, through State-sponsorship and other means, it will be extremely unwise on our part to remove existing curbs on the airing of Pakistani TV programmes in India and to allow Pakistani TV channels to beam their programmes to India.

10. Some sections of our media have reported that the Government of India is considering relaxing some of the existing restrictions. Such action will be seriously detrimental to national security and should be opposed by public and political opinion.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 15 Jul 2012 21:45

g.sarkar wrote:"Ajmer dargah awaits Zardari's promised donation
July 15, 2012 19:09 IST
Three months after Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari [ Images ] announced $1million donation for Ajmer dargah during his visit to the country, the shrine authorities are still waiting for the release of the money....."
Gautam

Didnt the dargah get the memo? The donation anounced was declared as a misunderstanding between Zardari and his PA. Zardari said that he was willing to buy the Ajmer dargah for USD $ 1 Million if India was willing to sell. stupid Ajmeris!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jul 2012 21:48

tejas wrote:I leave it to the gentle reader to infer what the average Briturd thinks of mohammedans.

The average Brit does not know the difference between Paki and you and me. No point imagining that gora aadmi sees Indians better and Pakis as worse.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 15 Jul 2012 22:10

shiv wrote:
tejas wrote:I leave it to the gentle reader to infer what the average Briturd thinks of mohammedans.
The average Brit does not know the difference between Paki and you and me. No point imagining that gora aadmi sees Indians better and Pakis as worse.

1982 called and wanted its stereotypes back.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 15 Jul 2012 22:11

What's the status of the lawsuit that was filed in NY against Pak/ISI due to 26/11
for killing those 6 US citizens? is it a serious lawsuit? or, just a ploy by the GoTUS
to arm-twist pak/ISI into opening up

more?

All these articles by the Brookings isntitute, AEI , etc with slightest hint that ISI
helped LeT to carry out the 26/11 operation should be collected and handed over to
the legal team who brought the charges.......Any such effort from BRF's side?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 15 Jul 2012 22:37

As discussed many times here US is putting lot of pressure on us to start bilateral trade, 'people-to-people' contact with pakistan. In fact it can be safely assumed that the US is shaping up India's foreign policy on pakistan.
[url=xxxhttp://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspap ... hmir-obama]Obama on India and pakistan[/url]

"President (Asif Ali) Zardari's visit to India was encouraging. Increased trade and people-to-people contacts between Indians and Pakistanis can lead to greater prosperity and understanding on both sides."

"Efforts in New Delhi and Islamabad to improve relations give hope for further progress, including a possible visit to Pakistan by Prime Minister (Manmohan) Singh," he said.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 15 Jul 2012 22:39

KLNMurthy wrote:^
yes Pakistan defeated one superpower in the 80s and caused its downfall. Why are they not taking on the other one now?

Who is more schizophrenic, the USG or the PA? Pakistan is doing what its done for 40 years. Playing the spoiler in Afghanistan, and getting paid for it.

Post 9/11 the US Government on the other hand has been like a 1-man play, simultaneously performing the roles of both the US and USSR from the 1979-92 war.

The Soviet Union couldn't afford to rent Pakistan by the month...but back they weren't worried about jihadis trying to blow up the Kremlin or the Moscow Underground. You should see how much Putin pays armed Islamist Chechens like Ramzan Kadyrov for running Chechnya cooperatively and for suppressing less business minded armed Islamists. I can't even imagine what the price would have been if Chechnya had inherited part of the Soviet nuclear arsenal. Oh wait, I can. Its the American aid budget to Pakistan.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Jul 2012 22:55

Johann:

Everybody beats around the bush on US mollycoddling TSP. They give all kinds of reasons from Jihadi scare, to nukes falling in the hands of Jihadis to Jihadis taking over yada yada. Sorry, those may be somewhat valid concerns, but I cannot accept those as the central ones. The single most important factor is TSP's importance in US/UK's geo-political calculus. India was the crown jewel of the erstwhile British empire, while TSP is the crown jewel in US's empire post colonial period. And as DocJi articulated, India may be important, but neither does US nor UK view India and Indians differently from TSP and TSPians. So maintaining a balance between India & TSP which means actually propping up TSP to India's level is the central, the only only central, and the one and only one primal issue that governs US policy in Af-Pak-Ind. Everything else is superficial. If the need for balancing India did not exist, TSP would have been a target of B-52 bombers for a tiny fraction of the crimes against US it has committed to date.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Jul 2012 22:58

abhijitm wrote:B. Raman on opening up for pak TV channels.
posting in full
Unwise to Lift Ban on Pak TV Programmes
6. Since then, we have been careful to see that Pakistani TV programmes are not receivable in India for the following reasons:

To prevent dissemination of programmes that could incite sections of our population to violence

To prevent dissemination of wrong information that could cause communal violence.

To prevent attempts to subvert the loyalty of any section of our population to the Government of India.

This is country which is preaching violence in the entire world and Let Chief is talking about recruiting Indian muslims to kill Indians.
How can the TV be allowed from this country.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 15 Jul 2012 22:59

US support to Pakistan cannot be explained by nuclear terrorism.

Ralph pPeters lets the cat out on two occasions.The Westerners changed geography sometimes for better,he claims like the 'unification' of India and also about the dramatic reference to the contrasting cultures on both sides of the Indus.

He rightly notes Pakistan was a British project welding the Pushtoons with Punjabis.What he leaves out is most important.West Punjab was part of Punjab and Northern India and it always was part of that continuum long before the British embarked out of their tiny island.

Our guru Ramanaji repeats this again and again and so do many others.How can we expect those from 'perfidious albion' to acknowledge this when it is they who have created labyrinths and layers of myths about 'unification' of India and cultures on 'two sides' of Indus,done their best to propogate and sustain the myth?

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 15 Jul 2012 23:16

CRamS wrote:Johann:

Everybody beats around the bush on US mollycoddling TSP. They give all kinds of reasons from Jihadi scare, to nukes falling in the hands of Jihadis to Jihadis taking over yada yada. Sorry, those may be somewhat valid concerns, but I cannot accept those as the central ones. The single most important factor is TSP's importance in US/UK's geo-political calculus. India was the crown jewel of the erstwhile British empire, while TSP is the crown jewel in US's empire post colonial period. And as DocJi articulated, India may be important, but neither does US nor UK view India and Indians differently from TSP and TSPians. So maintaining a balance between India & TSP which means actually propping up TSP to India's level is the central, the only only central, and the one and only one primal issue that governs US policy in Af-Pak-Ind. Everything else is superficial. If the need for balancing India did not exist, TSP would have been a target of B-52 bombers for a tiny fraction of the crimes against US it has committed to date.

What you're saying has two basic components - America is all-powerful and aggressive, and America fears Indian power

Its very flattering that you think America is so powerful.

Why haven't there ever been B-52s over the Islamic Republic of Iran? Or North Korea since 1953? Or Cuba?

Why was Libya bombed by Reagan, but never Syria?

Every now and then the Americans over-reach, and launch into wars like Vietnam and Iraq. But on the whole they're rather careful because the military men and policy wonks understand the limits of power and the costs of war with each hostile adversary.

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 15 Jul 2012 23:17

I don't think it's as bad as you think Shiv. The UQ press always describes as "Asian" the universally muslim scumbags who deal in underage rape/sex slave trade in Britannia. The non-muslim Indians there are starting to complain that they are being lumped with these dregs of humanity. It's interesting to read comments on such articles as the non-asian readers are clearly aware of what Islam is and what it stands for.

Here in the US Poaks will say they are Indian when applying for jobs as they know what the response will otherwise be. Obviously there are those folks who cannot see past anything but skin melanin concentration.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Jul 2012 23:37

Iran North Korea Cuba - all of them have the bomb or supported by major power hence out of bounds.

Pakistan defeated one super power since it was not its pay master.

It cannot defeat the next one since it is the pay master.

If the need for balancing India did not exist, TSP would have been a target of B-52 bombers for a tiny fraction of the crimes against US it has committed to date.
It is not the state os Pak they care about. It is the demographics of large population which is jihad which they are interested as a bullwork against growing Indian population.

neeraj · Post by **neeraj** » 15 Jul 2012 23:41

Violence hits Karachi again: 18 killed in 2 days

The fresh round of bloodshed that started yesterday when nine people were killed, went on today with the total number of those killed increasing to 18.

Peshawar mortar attack kills woman and three children

A mortar bomb fell on a house in Peshawar’s Shaikhan village area on Sunday, killing four and injuring another, DawnNews reported.

The lost city

The city derived its name from the Pashto word ‘fortress,’ yet insecurity dampens the air. The Hazara community are locked inside their housing societies. Their young are either moving to Australia where asylum is much easier or Scandinavia, the universal refuge of Pakistanis. Those who cannot afford the legal way, opt for the sea route of Malaysia- Indonesia-Australia. The poorest spend their time sitting in front of their houses, for regardless of the poverty their mothers still hold them valuable. Outside the society, they are chased after and eventually murdered. The menial workers from Punjab move without their ID cards under a constant threat and Pashtun killing is also on the rise. What remains behind is the Baloch community, the otherwise neglected fraction of largest province of Pakistan for the largest part of the history. Many in the privileged sides of the country ask for their responsibility and I am reminded of Dante Alighieri from Italy, “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality.”

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 15 Jul 2012 23:48

Check out how Pakturd Ghulam Nabi Fai will be doing at Cumberland FCI prison

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archiv ... 78241.html

visitation is on sat sun from 8-3 and monday and friday from 4:30-8...
youll be issued a 3 green uniform sets and five pairs of boxers and undershirts...more can be purchased through commissary...
the sleeping arrangements are pretty cramped...
there are 2 2 story buildings which are each divided into four wings...on each wing there are 8 cubes...
4 cubes on each side about 15ftx15ft i would say...rough estimate...
in each cube there are 3 sets of bunk beds...along with 6 lockers...
you will probably have a top bunk since people who have been there longer get the choice of where they want to sleep...all you blankets and sheets should be given to you when you get there...make sure you ask the correctional officer for a pillow...i didnt get one until my 4th day there...
the showers are dorm style with 4 stand up showers with shower curtains...each wing has their own set of showers...
on each wing there is also two toilets with doors that do lock just like any mcdonalds rest room...
there are also two urinals and 4 sinks...each unit also has 2 washers and 2 dryers along with 2 microwaves so you can warm up some food that you get from commissary...
they also take laundry bags everyday around 11am right after lunch and you can get them back the next day usually except on the weekends...

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 16 Jul 2012 00:03

Pakistan defeated one super power since it was not its pay master.

It cannot defeat the next one since it is the pay master.

Please see my post on the Af-Pak thread.

Pakistan will not be able to have its proxies take Kabul.

But the Americans will pay through the nose to contain the instability that Pakistan generates.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 16 Jul 2012 00:08

Acharyaji, which soopah powah did Bakistan defeat? was it Balochistan?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 16 Jul 2012 00:12

The one and only they claim.

Also they were assisted by another soopah powah which was also its pay master

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 16 Jul 2012 00:29

Another day of violence in the Karachi slum: At least 18 killed within 24 hours | Tribune

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Jul 2012 00:43

Any claim that Paki defeated any sooper pavah is imbecile. Even after the Soviet withdrawal by mid 1989, the rag-tag afghan national army was able to hold on till 1992, and in between inflicted some major defeats on the mujs. That is 3 long years after the Soviet withdrawal!

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 16 Jul 2012 01:46

Dipanker wrote:Any claim that Paki defeated any sooper pavah is imbecile. Even after the Soviet withdrawal by mid 1989, the rag-tag afghan national army was able to hold on till 1992, and in between inflicted some major defeats on the mujs. That is 3 long years after the Soviet withdrawal!

The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan only fell in 1992 because it was left with no allies.

That meant no money for weapons, no money for fuel, no money for salaries. Like South Vietnam in 1974 when the Americans turned off the spigot

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 16 Jul 2012 04:24

AbhiJ wrote:
In what could be a major boost to Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd (BHEL)’s railway business, the state-run power equipment firm is close to winning a contract worth Rs 1,000 crore from Pakistan to manufacture railway locomotives.
How BHEL How?
Though the financing arrangement for the contract was yet to be finalised, it could come as a soft loan from the Indian to the Pakistani government and could be worth over Rs 1,000 crore, Rao said.
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... an/480187/

Ummm, there is a shortage of electricity in Pakistan, so how do they propose to run these locomotives? (don't think the electricity sale from India can cover that much anyway) Diesel is out too, as their supply depends on keeping arab sheiks happy (otherwise they would have to pay market rates, and they can't really afford that). Perhaps they should import steam locos, since they have thar coal.

India should definitely back away from the soft loan idea though. They should demand payment up front, in the form of commodities (cotton, coal etc.)