Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

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An exercise in futility or just plain pandering to a non-existant ego? Its been over a hundred days but the search goes on. What are the pakis trying to prove? Another body recovered from Gyari sector
The number of recovered bodies has now reached 41.
More than a hundred days after the avalanche incident
Just back-of-the-envelope math reveals that if the pakis have spent even 3 - 5 crore paki rupees per day (men, material, equipment, logistics, lost mandays....), that's 300 - 500 crore paki rupes for 41 bodies. If the search were to continue for the remaining 98 dead soldiers, that's going to cost their exchequer a total of 1000 to 1700 crore paki rupees. That's an expense the pakis can least afford in these dire times. What gives? Whats the underlying reason for them to recover all the dead mujahids?
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tejas wrote:I don't think it's as bad as you think Shiv. The UQ press always describes as "Asian" the universally muslim scumbags who deal in underage rape/sex slave trade in Britannia. The non-muslim Indians there are starting to complain that they are being lumped with these dregs of humanity. It's interesting to read comments on such articles as the non-asian readers are clearly aware of what Islam is and what it stands for.

Here in the US Poaks will say they are Indian when applying for jobs as they know what the response will otherwise be. Obviously there are those folks who cannot see past anything but skin melanin concentration.
The progress if any, is slow. Britain has tended to lump subcontinental minorities together as one group. That was not helped by the fact that people from the Indian subcontinent look similarly "foreign", spoke foreign and described themselves variously as "Indian", "Kashmiri" or "Punjabi". Long ago Pakistani and Bangladeshi restaurants became Indian restaurants and take-aways. Perhaps people openly have Bangladeshi businesses now that BDesh has a better image, but I cannot imagine Pakis running openly "Pakistani" establishments - barring a few. The word Paki itself has (I believe) been declared haraam in Britain - but I'm not sure.

Britain has encouraged and accepted the migration of a disproportionately large number of people from Pakistan occupied Kashmir who now form a political group in Britain, apart from having served as a body of people who collected funds for jihad in Kashmir. It is not clear to me why Britain chose to do that - and the best explanation I can reach is plain malice.

The real point is that India/Indians should not expect any sympathy or concessions from Britain or Britons, and need not show any expectation or understanding that people will somehow instinctively recognize some sort of moral superiority of the Indian over the Pakistani. That ain't gonna happen.
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anupmisra wrote:What gives? Whats the underlying reason for them to recover all the dead mujahids?
They need the area as base camp and are finding bodies as they recover the area.
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shiv wrote:
anupmisra wrote:What gives? Whats the underlying reason for them to recover all the dead mujahids?
They need the area as base camp and are finding bodies as they recover the area.
Let me be a conspiracy theorist here and say , maybe they are not looking for bodies and are searching for the "hasina atum bum" that the colder than ice mujahids might have been carrying :mrgreen:
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No solution from "outside" on Kashmir: POTUS | PTI

Pakistan's Allah - The US of A refuses to intervene. The President further adds that the dispute can only be resolved by the two countries only.

I think the current policy of pretending to talk but in reality shaming the Pakis on terror should be pursued with more vigor. :rotfl:
Welcoming the Indo-Pak dialogue process, he said, “It is not the place of any nation, including the United States, to try to impose solutions from the outside.”
Yawn says Obama welcomes Pak-India efforts to lessen tension <- (Porki newspaper puts spin on the headline to hide its embarrassment)
US President Barack Obama has ruled out any outside role in the Kashmir dispute but has emphasised the need for other nations to play a role in stabilising Pakistan.

“That said, nations must meet their responsibilities and all of us have a profound interest in a Pakistan that is stable, prosperous and democratic,” said the US president, leaving open the possibility of involving India in bringing stability to Pakistan. :lol:

Mr Obama, however, did not say if he planned to fulfil his promise to visit Pakistan.

Another cause of concern for Pakistan was Mr Obama’s warm welcome to India’s growing role in Afghanistan.

“India will be critical to Afghanistan’s future,” he said, noting that India was already playing a major role in helping Afghanistan.

India, he said, had made generous contributions to Afghanistan’s progress, helping to train Afghan police, promoting development and in improving the lives of ordinary Afghans.

India was the first nation to forge a Strategic Partnership Agreement with Afghanistan, he noted, adding that India’s civil service could be a model as Afghans strengthened their own governance and institutions.

India hosted an international investment conference on Afghanistan last month and Mr Obama said that by doing so, New Delhi had shown its readiness to champion Kabul’s economic development.
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Arun ji posted the transcript of Karan Thappar's interview with the High Commissioner of the Terrorist State of Pakistan a couple of pages back, here is the video

Wrong to blame Pakistan for 26/11: Salman Bashir

There is a palpable sense of embarrassment on High Commissioner's face.
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The hunt for the white widow In the feverish atmosphere of Kenya’s war on terror, rumours abound as to the whereabouts of Samantha Lewthwaite, the Muslim convert from Aylesbury who is on the run after a foiled bomb plot.
picture soon emerged of a woman “intending to cause harm to innocent civilians” by means of “an explosive device”, according to Kenyan police charges against her. She was on the run, Scotland Yard said, with a British-Kenyan man of Pakistani origin, Habib Saleh Gani. An associate of Lewthwaite’s, Jermaine Grant, also British, was arrested at the house with the bomb-making chemicals and is currently on trial for the same charges Lewthwaite faces, which he has denied.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... widow.html
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How Punjab was Partitioned - Op Ed in DT

A very hilarious article written in utter feverish delirium even while smoking a high-grade stuff.
The ‘Two Nation Theory’ to the Quaid was a consociation-list counterpoise :-? {ahh. . .whatever} to ensure, using Faiz’s words, to create a horizontal division to end the vertical division between two major peoples of the subcontinent. {Taking that to 3-D, is the on-going Paki sectarian division, then to end the horizontal division of the Quaid ?}
It is not hard to imagine how things would have panned out differently had they [the Sikhs] taken Jinnah’s offer. Punjab would have avoided communal bloodletting and Sikhs might well have gotten an autonomous unit within Pakistan. Such autonomy would most likely have come up with an out-clause, which would have forced the Muslim majority in Pakistan to behave itself. The carnage of 1984 would have never happened, Indira Gandhi would have been spared and Pakistan would have remained a secular state, since, as many as 40 percent of Pakistanis would be non-Muslims i.e. Sikhs, Hindus and Christians. :rotfl: {Wow, all of Pakistan's are due to the Sikhs leaving theur lands and moving to India}
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Monday starts with a bang in TSP...

'Special branch office' of impure being attacked by the highly pure using (Chinese supplied?) grenades..

Hope they know how to throw them and more purity is achieved in the land of pure..

http://dawn.com/2012/07/16/militants-at ... ein-bannu/
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AbhiJ wrote:Why the Saudis deported Abu Jundal
...
The next step from Saudi will give a clear picture.
Looks to me like Saudis are just doing a reining-in or course correction, and not a course change. Their agenda is to spread salafi / wahabi strains all over the world and gain control through consolidation and diffusion, keeping open attacks and confrontation to a minimum. They are also concerned with their munnas asserting themselves and developing into their own independent power centers, free-ish from Saudi control. So, they have to do some trimming, hence the handover of Abu Gandul.

Quite Chankian of them. Indian need not feel like Saudis are their new BFFs.
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Johann wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:^
yes Pakistan defeated one superpower in the 80s and caused its downfall. Why are they not taking on the other one now?
Who is more schizophrenic, the USG or the PA? Pakistan is doing what its done for 40 years. Playing the spoiler in Afghanistan, and getting paid for it.

Post 9/11 the US Government on the other hand has been like a 1-man play, simultaneously performing the roles of both the US and USSR from the 1979-92 war.

The Soviet Union couldn't afford to rent Pakistan by the month...but back they weren't worried about jihadis trying to blow up the Kremlin or the Moscow Underground. You should see how much Putin pays armed Islamist Chechens like Ramzan Kadyrov for running Chechnya cooperatively and for suppressing less business minded armed Islamists. I can't even imagine what the price would have been if Chechnya had inherited part of the Soviet nuclear arsenal. Oh wait, I can. Its the American aid budget to Pakistan.
On the other hand, Johann, there is India's greatest strategic weapon, called Paki tactical brilliance and loathing for SDREs. It suits our baniya nature that this weapon is entirely free. So, it is worthwhile for BRF Yeevil Yindoos to practice the fine art of poaquing the paklurks to add to the buzz that just might set off a bout of tactical brilliance directed at Khan, even as we invest in popcorn. A buzzy endeavor, which I might regretfully point out, you smothered in your solemn dispensing of gyaan. :-)
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shiv wrote:The progress if any, is slow. Britain has tended to lump subcontinental minorities together as one group. That was not helped by the fact that people from the Indian subcontinent look similarly "foreign", spoke foreign and described themselves variously as "Indian", "Kashmiri" or "Punjabi". Long ago Pakistani and Bangladeshi restaurants became Indian restaurants and take-aways. Perhaps people openly have Bangladeshi businesses now that BDesh has a better image, but I cannot imagine Pakis running openly "Pakistani" establishments - barring a few. The word Paki itself has (I believe) been declared haraam in Britain - but I'm not sure.

Britain has encouraged and accepted the migration of a disproportionately large number of people from Pakistan occupied Kashmir who now form a political group in Britain, apart from having served as a body of people who collected funds for jihad in Kashmir. It is not clear to me why Britain chose to do that - and the best explanation I can reach is plain malice.

The real point is that India/Indians should not expect any sympathy or concessions from Britain or Britons, and need not show any expectation or understanding that people will somehow instinctively recognize some sort of moral superiority of the Indian over the Pakistani. That ain't gonna happen.
Sorry Shiv, but your assumptions are about 20 years out of date. That's a third of the total time there's been a sizable Subcontinental population in Britain.

Most people in the UK have no trouble telling a Hindu from a Muslim from a Sikh, especially if people either give their names or have visible symbols of their religious tradition.

Can they tell an Indian Muslim from a Bangladeshi Muslim from an Indian Muslim? Or a Bangladeshi Hindu from an Indian one? Probably not. At least not yet.

And that is precisely why the press continues to use the term 'Asian' - its becoming a politically correct euphemism for problematic Subcontinental Muslims, whether Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian.

The restaurants on the other hand are known as Indian because that's the sort of food they sell, regardless of the people who run the place - vindaloo and samosas aren't particularly Bangladeshi are they?

In places like San Francisco there have been people from East Asia for over 150 years. Those who grow up in California whether white, yellow, black or brown are comfortable talking collectively of 'Asians' even though these days they are perfectly aware of and capable of telling the differences between Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Thais and Vietnamese. Having collective terms survive doesnt mean people are completely stupid about things.
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Johann wrote:
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What you're saying has two basic components - America is all-powerful and aggressive, and America fears Indian power

Its very flattering that you think America is so powerful.

Why haven't there ever been B-52s over the Islamic Republic of Iran? Or North Korea since 1953? Or Cuba?

Why was Libya bombed by Reagan, but never Syria?

Every now and then the Americans over-reach, and launch into wars like Vietnam and Iraq. But on the whole they're rather careful because the military men and policy wonks understand the limits of power and the costs of war with each hostile adversary.
Excuse the OT...

Actually Johann, the secret is that it is the other way round--India / Indians are the aggressive grasping ones, we just have a different body language than the swaggering TFTA Americans or Pakis. We also have a very successful proven polytheistic culture that has the potential to assimilate all of humanity, borg-fashion, once we get over the current maya-occluded diffident phase which has lasted about 1100 years, or just long enough for Brahma to scratch his ba**s. Intelligent TFTA Pakis and Americans get this, therefore they very sensibly scheme to keep us down.
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SSridhar wrote:How Punjab was Partitioned - Op Ed in DT

A very hilarious article written in utter feverish delirium even while smoking a high-grade stuff.
The ‘Two Nation Theory’ to the Quaid was a consociation-list counterpoise :-? {ahh. . .whatever} to ensure, using Faiz’s words, to create a horizontal division to end the vertical division between two major peoples of the subcontinent. {Taking that to 3-D, is the on-going Paki sectarian division, then to end the horizontal division of the Quaid ?}
It is not hard to imagine how things would have panned out differently had they [the Sikhs] taken Jinnah’s offer. Punjab would have avoided communal bloodletting and Sikhs might well have gotten an autonomous unit within Pakistan. Such autonomy would most likely have come up with an out-clause, which would have forced the Muslim majority in Pakistan to behave itself. The carnage of 1984 would have never happened, Indira Gandhi would have been spared and Pakistan would have remained a secular state, since, as many as 40 percent of Pakistanis would be non-Muslims i.e. Sikhs, Hindus and Christians. :rotfl: {Wow, all of Pakistan's are due to the Sikhs leaving theur lands and moving to India}
Take that, smelly SDREs. It is the Sikhs' fault.
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KLNMurthy wrote:Actually Johann, the secret is that it is the other way round--India / Indians are the aggressive grasping ones, we just have a different body language than the swaggering TFTA Americans or Pakis. We also have a very successful proven polytheistic culture that has the potential to assimilate all of humanity, borg-fashion, once we get over the current maya-occluded diffident phase which has lasted about 1100 years, or just long enough for Brahma to scratch his ba**s. Intelligent TFTA Pakis and Americans get this, therefore they very sensibly scheme to keep us down.
In the post Cold War era the only thing most Americans worry about India is it will suck away white collar jobs the way Mexico and China sucked away blue collar jobs. Of course these are the same people who often refuse to criticise the American corporations that are reaping the profits from all that outsourcing.

A fair number of people on the forum like to fantasise about Samuel Huntington style civilisational darwinism but that's really not what most thoughtful Americans worry about. They are far more likely to be concerned about climate change, resource scarcity, overcoming entrenched social disadvantage of particular populations, keeping the global economy chugging along and making the world a less dangerously unpredictable place. Funnily enough thats also what a lot of India's most thoughtful people are also concerned by as well. Because at the end of the day in a world that's radically shrinking there's less and less room for zero sum conflicts between powerful nations, or between classes within nations. The tragedy of the commons and all that.
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It is not hard to imagine how things would have panned out differently had they [the Sikhs] taken Jinnah’s offer. Punjab would have avoided communal bloodletting and Sikhs might well have gotten an autonomous unit within Pakistan. Such autonomy would most likely have come up with an out-clause, which would have forced the Muslim majority in Pakistan to behave itself. The carnage of 1984 would have never happened, Indira Gandhi would have been spared and Pakistan would have remained a secular state, since, as many as 40 percent of Pakistanis would be non-Muslims i.e. Sikhs, Hindus and Christians. :rotfl: {Wow, all of Pakistan's are due to the Sikhs leaving theur lands and moving to India
and does he imply that muslims in majority == problem !
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Xpost

From rediff
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) confirms that Pakistan will tour India for three ODIs in December.
Apparently this will be home series for the Pakis...

:evil:
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Army Left High & Dry - Mohajir Brig A.R. Siddiqi in DT
The founder of the state and ‘Father of the nation’, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the governor general, directed the acting army chief, Lt-General Sir Douglas Gracey to move in a brigade-plus in aid of the Kashmiri regulars (mujahideen).
Freudian slip, that 'regulars' word. BTW, Kashmiri regulars ? Weren't they they the Mehsud & Afridi types ?
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Kashi wrote:The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) confirms that Pakistan will tour India for three ODIs in December.
BCCI is just going to mint money out of this series and give a "chaar ana" tip to PCB. Its a money making series for BCCI and the sponsors. No point to read anything extra out of it.
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# SShridhar

Jinnah's Strategy
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divide hindu majority india + keep muslim majority area/s both united & independent

What actually happened
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divide hindu majority areas(bombay province)in 1935 & separation of sindh from bombay province (precurser)

divide hindu majority india in 1947
divide hindu majority areas(assam province / separation of sylhet) in 1947
divide muslim majority areas like bengal, punjab,kashmir
completely lost most of the muslim ruled princely states
partially lost hindu ruled muslim majority kashmir
=========================================

Where Congress(Hindus) failed
=======================
division of muslim majority province(sindh) with 30% hindus
better division of punjab towards lahore
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so!!
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The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) confirms that Pakistan will tour India for three ODIs in December.


Apparently this will be home series for the Pakis...
All the games will be played in India but it will be home series for Pakistan? What kind of loop sided Lahori logic is this!! Are they implying that in future Pakistan is merging with India or India is merging with pakistan?
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Gavaskar slams decision to resume cricket with Pakistan

Former India [ Images ] captain Sunil Gavaskar [ Images ] has criticised the Board of Control for Cricket in India's decision to revive Indo-Pak bilateral cricket ties, saying Pakistan is not cooperating with the Mumbai terror attacks probe.
Click here!

Bilateral cricketing ties between the two countries snapped after the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks [ Images ] and there have been several attempts by the Pakistan Cricket Board in recent months to convince the BCCI to resume them.

"Being a Mumbaikar I feel what is the urgency when there is no co-operation from the other side," said Gavaskar.

Gavaskar also felt that India are playing a lot of cricket in the upcoming season and any other series would only put pressure on the cricketers.

England are scheduled to arrive in India for a four-match Test series followed by two Twenty20 internationals before going home for Christmas. They will be back to play five One-day Internationals, from January 11.

"Well, my first reaction is that the time the players have between the England series, it is not going to be there. They are playing England in November-December but now they are not going to get the breather," Gavaskar told NDTV.

"Players need the time to look after their injuries and get better," he added.
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Altair wrote:
Kashi wrote:The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) confirms that Pakistan will tour India for three ODIs in December.
BCCI is just going to mint money out of this series and give a "chaar ana" tip to PCB. Its a money making series for BCCI and the sponsors. No point to read anything extra out of it.
Maybe not financial gains but what about the image upgradation the dirty paakis get from this series ?
Do they even deserve that much spec of money that they will receive ?

To what extent is the GoI willing to bend over backwards for such a piece of shit federation of loosely bound ethnically separate kabilas ?
:evil:

Maybe to completely rub it in the Hindu Baniyas face , the paakis should demand ODI on 26/11.
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Rajdeep wrote: Maybe to completely rub it in the Hindu Baniyas face , the paakis should demand ODI on 26/11.
Yes, let us play the Pakis on 26/11. In Mumbai. And the Pakis will also get to stay at the Taj hotel. And MMS can fly in the NSG to give security to the Pakis.

Ack thoo to whoever, including Bedi, who are supporting this.
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Home series for TSP = most of the revenue goes to PCB!
The PCB would have tried this trick with every other board - and every other board would have kicked them in the backsides while chucking them out of the door.

Stamp on Paki honour, burn any book , punch them in the face, abuse them - as long as you throw them a few paise - Pakis will endure all of that.
Watch as Pakis sing praise for BCCI and India while they stuff wads into their pockets.
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I for one , am glad that the *real* greats of World Cricket in any age - Sachin, Sehwag, Dhoni and Zaheer, did not have to tour sewage terroristan!
Maybe two-bit players and countries like Stuart Broad and England can tour Pakistan . And should something happen to these two-bit players, the cricket world would pause for a second, thank god for small mercies and continue playing.
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Pakistan to play HOME series at HOME in Mumbai hahahaha now I am understanding why suddenly Bollywood has become SOUTH ASIAN FILM INDUSTRY and not Hindi Movie Industry.

Amazing, and India wants to be taken seriously when it asks the world to declare Pakistan a terrorist state. I guess we are the only ones who are at the slaughter house and we are feeling compassion for the butcher. After all look at the sinful activity he has to engage in, may god have mercy on his soul as he slaughters us.
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SBajwa wrote:All the games will be played in India but it will be home series for Pakistan? What kind of loop sided Lahori logic is this!! Are they implying that in future Pakistan is merging with India or India is merging with pakistan?
This is how
PCB Chairman Zaka Ashraf on Thursday said that they have put forward the proposal to hire two stadiums in India to host their home series against India.
Our stadiums will function as ersatz Paki home grounds. I wonder what they'll propose next? Bring in 40-5000 J-u-D volunteers to provide "home support"?
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This resumption of Kirket with TSP is in line with MMS-led GOI policy as enunciated here http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1310814

Johann,

Its not so much as US fears India, far from it, but as a superpower it is leveraging all its power levers to box India with TSP as this policy has served US well for over 60 years, US troubles in Af-Pak notwithstanding. And US does see its problems in Af-Pak resolved by making it Af-Pak-Ind. You recall late Richard Holbrooke's attempts to become Sher-a-Kashmiri? IMO, US policy revolves around using India to get what it wants from TSP without disturbing the India TSP balance; throw in Afghanistan Munna, and you have Af-Pak-Ind.

Roperia
I think the current policy of pretending to talk but in reality shaming the Pakis on terror should be pursued with more vigor.
Like resumption of Kirket that was just announced?

But seriously, as much as TSP wants US involvement, thats a bar they have set very high, in reality, TSP is quite happy with US recognizing TSP as India's equal on Kashmir and everything else. That in and of itself is a huge booster for TSP. TSP's real nightmare is not so much US refusing to intervene in Kashmir, but rather allowing India & TSP their natural trysts with destiny, and you know what TSP's natural path would be were it not artificially propped up by US and its lackeys. As much as India has been spineless in dealing with TSP, do you think TSP can survive without US support both economically and militarily? Being on the real bad side of US like Iran, NK etc is TSP RAPE's nightmare and they will do just enough to thwart that.
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Another veteran out against the hare-brained TSP ploicy which GoI seems to be currently pursuing:

The perils of India trying to look good on PTV
Vikram Sood
In its campaign against India, Pakistan has used terror and its electronic media to great effect proving how useful a psywar campaign is in these adversarial situations. This will not change and let us not be under any delusion about this, writes Vikram Sood

The report that India was favourably considering lifting a ban on the airing of Pakistan Television and private channels, one sincerely hopes, is not true for a number of reasons.

If true, this shows our propensity to want to look good, reasonable and large hearted in our dealings with Pakistan as the main plank of our policy towards that country.It also shows that we have not thought this through nor worked out the implications about how to deal with a country that has not called off its terror war against India.

A country that has for decades carried out the kind of terror and media campaign against India and has been singularly reluctant to co-operate on issues like Mumbai 2008 is hardly, unlikely to give up this option against us.
As it is, Pakistan TV channels show blood curdling speeches of hatred and revenge from luminaries like Jamaat ud Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed, Samiul Haq and those others who represent the multi-group Difah-e-Pakistan Committee.

Some Pakistan TV channels also have individuals like Zaid Hamid, who diligently campaign on TV against India, Israel and the US (read Hindus, Jews and Christians). In Zaid Hamid's mind, there is a crush India brigade.

Synchronising with the Pak-India Social Media Mela being held in Karachi, a website called Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz carried two reports; one called Pak-India Social Media Mela Decorated in the Carcass of the Youm-e-Shuhhada (on July 13) and the other one was Kashmir: Hell in Paradise (July 14).
Psywar should be seen an essential part of our campaign, internally and externally. It is particularly relevant for country like ours with its various security and developmental problems and our perceived role in global affairs. Perceptions are as important as awareness.

Only we can ensure our voice is heard. No private agency will be able to create this and sustain this abroad without government assistance and policy direction. Yet the government itself cannot do this on its own; it will be just too bureaucratic and ham handed thereby losing its credibility at the start.

It has to be on the pattern of the BBC Overseas Service and CNN TV. There is governmental financial support, policy guidelines for overseas use but editorial freedom as a result criticism and exposes are accepted risk. Psywar only gives intangible but important results that need to be synchronised with policy and national aims.

In its campaign against India, Pakistan has used terror and its electronic media to great effect proving how useful a psywar campaign is in these adversarial situations. This will not change and let us not be under any delusion about this.

What we are now agreeing to is that Pakistan be allowed to carry on its campaign in India, while we shut off our psywar campaign, as a measure of good faith.

We need to change all this and ensure we do not succumb to the temptation of wanting to look good.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

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jrjrao wrote:
Rajdeep wrote: Maybe to completely rub it in the Hindu Baniyas face , the paakis should demand ODI on 26/11.
Yes, let us play the Pakis on 26/11. In Mumbai. And the Pakis will also get to stay at the Taj hotel. And MMS can fly in the NSG to give security to the Pakis.

Ack thoo to whoever, including Bedi, who are supporting this.
Just goes to show how toothless our whines are about paki terrorism. We'll hug them to death baby...
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For all those who still think that the "US is leveraging all its power levers to box India with TSP", or all similar theories; I think you are suffering from the same strategic inertia that afflicts our government. Just for a moment close your eyes and try to sense the tide of history, try to sense the gathering momentum being generated by umpteen events all around the world and in which direction the centre of gravity is shifting. Events that are not being controlled by a single country or a group of countries; there is a certain inevitability of how things will pan out, generally speaking.

All that does not mean that this momentum cannot be disturbed by a major miscalculation by the government of either India or the US. As of today, it seems to me that the Indian government is more pro Pakistan as compared to United States. These fools keep forgetting that as soon Pakistan feels it had got out of the present mess, it will go back to its old dirty tricks. That is inevitable too.

As I keep repeating we should keep away from Pakistan as far as practically possible; just stay aloof and concentrate on other more important things. For example, only an certified idiot could have come up with the idea of supplying railway locomotives to Pakistan, or electricity for that matter !!

The Americans have much more to lose if in the coming days, an impression is created that the Pakistan, Taliban combine managed to defeat them and run them out of the region. All their plans will be destroyed in a wave of domino effect covering all of middle east and central Asia. And that will just be the beginning. The US will, and the US must support India, there is no other way out for them. They know this fact, they have already come to this conclusion, unfortunately our thinkers are not there yet.

Let us move forward with a sense of confidence, we should not be afraid of change. We need boldness and flair in our strategic thinking, and we need to think on our feet; not the treading through treacle inertia.

Reach out and grab that shining orb, that is our destiny.
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Along with my spouse, I will be making it a point not to watch any of the cricket matches that India will play with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan besides attempting to persuade as many others to follow suite.

There is of course a downside to my chosen path of action in that I will not know the companies supporting the matches by advertising and hence I will not be able to punish them by witholding my custom for their products.
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I think we can do more to make them feel home.
India should fly "Rustam" around Paki "home" stadiums and hotel rooms. We can say they are for security reasons.( We can crash them very close to them if need be and blame it on technical glitches)
Fire 10,000 wala ladi near their bedrooms all night.
Put a fleet of black suburbans tailing them whereever they go. etc..
Any other suggestions??
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

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Recent decisions announced about what India is giving to Pakistan are:
1. Electricity
2. Locomotives
3. Finished petroleum products
4. Allowing Pakistani TV channels
5. Resuming cricket ties

This because Pakistan has genuinely repented and handed over Dawood Ibrahim, Hafiz Saeed and has closed down all terrorist training camps. And Zardari has promised to donate some money to the Ajmer Dargah. The list above is too small. India must do more.

Do you know how many people have been killed in road accidents in Mumbai since 26/11? We must blame the situation on both governments and both armies. We the people need to come together. People want peace. And I am Pakistani.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

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I wonder still no chanikian spin on resumption on cricketing ties with terrorists.
Being Chote dilwala Yindoo with a specific "zehaniyat", I will not be watching or following this series nor will comment on it in BRF.
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I am ashamed that my city will be hosting one of those matches.
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Thanks Archan!! I need it with despite running 45 minutes daily my BP never drops down below 160/100 when not taking pills. I blame these naPakis and buddha politicians in charge of India.
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