More specifically, which notable Pakistani (perhaps an oxymoron there) is interested in peace with India without having Kashmir?partha wrote:Who?ManuT wrote: There are Pakistanis who would peace with India
As they like to say, Allah is plotting and planning, and He is the best of the planners and plotters.....as per WAPDA report the storage capacity of three Water storages of Tarbela, Mangla and Chashma have lost 27 percent storage capacity.
A report submitted by the WAPDA to the ministry of water and power says the live storage capacity of three dams has declined by 4.37 MAF over the years. The storage capacity will further drop considerably by the end of 2025. The original capacity of line storage was 16.29 MAF which has been reduced to 11.91 MAF due to sedimentation and silting.
Astagfirullah van hits anti tank mine, Helicopter hits abbotabad complex 4 including Sheikh die, Sunroof lever hits Bebe, soldiers hit avalanche, avalanche killed..... bismillah! what creativityBrad Goodman wrote:Vehicle hits mine in Pakistan, killing 14 Shiites
A van carrying minority Shiite Muslims hit an anti-tank land mine in northwestern Pakistan on Wednesday, killing 14 passengers in what police described as the country's latest sectarian attack
For the exact reason mentioned above, would not want to create a list.PratikDas wrote:More specifically, which notable Pakistani (perhaps an oxymoron there) is interested in peace with India without having Kashmir?partha wrote:Who?
Let's have a name and track the time for his or her wajib-ul-cutlet.
The House agreed to a $650 million cut from Pakistan military aid Wednesday night as Republicans sought to tamp down demands for still deeper reductions because of conservative anger at the Islamabad government.Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas) first came to the floor demanding a $1.3 billion cut and initially won the endorsement of Rep. Bill Young (R-Fla.), who was managing the defense bill on the floor. But ultimately a cut of $650 million was settled upon with the intention of reducing Pakistan’s funds by half.
It is time for a new strategy with Pakistan,” said Poe, who described Pakistan as a “Benedict Arnold” nation. “More money is not going to solve the problem. … Pakistan is playing America.”The action came as the House took up the underlying bill, a $608.2 billion defense appropriations measure for the coming year, including $88.2 billion in emergency funds for overseas contingency operations, chiefly in the Afghanistan and Pakistan theater.These so-called OCO funds are most vulnerable to cuts. And in addition to the $650 million for Pakistan, the House voted 228-191 to separately take $175 million from an infrastructure funds to assist Afghanistan.
Ever since the 1980s, many Pakistani school text books have unflappably claimed that the history of Pakistan does not start from 14 August 1947, but from the date Arab warrior, Muhammad Bin Qasim, conquered Sindh in the 8th Century .Though most true Pakistani patriots believe this, they differ on some of the details as to exactly how Qasim achieved this wonderful feat of gifting the world with what has gone on to become one of the finest, strongest and most pious Islamic republics in the whole wide world.For example, according to the famous intellectual/historian/scholar/long-haired-guy, Zaid Hamid, Pakistan actually came into being the moment Muhammad Bin Qasim was born.Famous theological cricket theoretician, Inzimamul Haq agrees: ‘Fusst of all, thanks to Qasim bhai, his fat boys bat well, killing yahood-o-nisara-o-Hinds, after long long marches, left-right, left-right, thanks to camels, boys block infidels’ goods that where actually bads, and fusst and lusst thanks to brother Qasim, Pakistan Zindabad was made …’Qasim actually came and liberated Sindh on a giant tsunami wave. There was a disturbance in the plate tectonics in the Caliphate’s GHQ in Iraq that triggered this tsunami and helped Qasim reach Sindh. In a two-pronged strategy, he slaughtered the Hindu oppressors but held a dialogue with radical Muslim Kharijites. Kharijites were beheading fellow Muslims because bad Muslims were helping Christian and Jew Crusaders carry drone attacks against them.’
Very nice try. Written like a true diplomat.ManuT wrote:For the exact reason mentioned above, would not want to create a list.PratikDas wrote: More specifically, which notable Pakistani (perhaps an oxymoron there) is interested in peace with India without having Kashmir?
Let's have a name and track the time for his or her wajib-ul-cutlet.
IMO there are 3 kinds in public limelight:
1. Who would like to make peace with India. The smallest of the lot and the dice is loaded against t hem.
2. Those who talk on behalf of the establishment and have been tuned in by the establishment.
3. Are those have been asked to be a part of Track II but really don't get the memos from the establishment.
Quite a disparaging comment about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan alluding to its Mohammadden Terrorist supporting ways by the US legislator, Ted PoeJhujar wrote:Aid cut to 'Benedict Arnold' Pakistan
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78702.htmlThe House agreed to a $650 million cut from Pakistan military aid Wednesday night as Republicans sought to tamp down demands for still deeper reductions because of conservative anger at the Islamabad government.Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas) first came to the floor demanding a $1.3 billion cut and initially won the endorsement of Rep. Bill Young (R-Fla.), who was managing the defense bill on the floor. But ultimately a cut of $650 million was settled upon with the intention of reducing Pakistan’s funds by half.
It is time for a new strategy with Pakistan,” said Poe, who described Pakistan as a “Benedict Arnold” nation. “More money is not going to solve the problem. … Pakistan is playing America.”The action came as the House took up the underlying bill, a $608.2 billion defense appropriations measure for the coming year, including $88.2 billion in emergency funds for overseas contingency operations, chiefly in the Afghanistan and Pakistan theater.These so-called OCO funds are most vulnerable to cuts. And in addition to the $650 million for Pakistan, the House voted 228-191 to separately take $175 million from an infrastructure funds to assist Afghanistan.
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.GP is off the mark.arun wrote:
Pakistan denies and cavils. Yes, yet again
No sir, TSP has not been in denial model. Matter of fact, they have been pretty obtuse and brazen in asking India to shove it on 26/11 and stop "milking it". It is India that is in denial mode.
Despite evidence available from the trial of David Headley and Tahawur Rana in Chicago and from the testimony of Ajmal Kasab, confirming the role of ISI officials in the attack, Pakistan has remained in a denial mode about the involvement of either Lashkar-e-Tayyeba chief Hafiz Mohammed Saeed or Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence in the meticulously planned and executed attack.
Once again GP seems to be living in la la land to believe that TSPA, ISI, LeT etc don't have the full support of the average TSP Abdul when it comes to their India strategy. So whats all this people-to-people contacts horse manure about?
It remains to be seen, if in these circumstances, Pakistan’s elected Government will be permitted by the military to move ahead on issues like expanding people-to-people contacts or promoting bilateral trade and economic relations.
[/quote]CRamS wrote: Pakistan denies and cavils. Yes, yet again
GP is off the mark.
No sir, TSP has not been in denial model. Matter of fact, they have been pretty obtuse and brazen in asking India to shove it on 26/11 and stop "milking it". It is India that is in denial mode.
Despite evidence available from the trial of David Headley and Tahawur Rana in Chicago and from the testimony of Ajmal Kasab, confirming the role of ISI officials in the attack, Pakistan has remained in a denial mode about the involvement of either Lashkar-e-Tayyeba chief Hafiz Mohammed Saeed or Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence in the meticulously planned and executed attack.
Furthermore, GP also seems to by exhibiting some WKK tendencies
Once again GP seems to be living in la la land to believe that TSPA, ISI, LeT etc don't have the full support of the average TSP Abdul when it comes to their India strategy. So whats all this people-to-people contacts horse manure about?
It remains to be seen, if in these circumstances, Pakistan’s elected Government will be permitted by the military to move ahead on issues like expanding people-to-people contacts or promoting bilateral trade and economic relations.
That one quote right there shows that this Shahzad Chaudhry is definitely a paklurk on this forum. He is using BRF slang in his article.ManuT wrote:The great India-Pakistan tamasha
By Shahzad Chaudhry
Published: July 18, 2012
http://tribune.com.pk/story/409952/the- ... n-tamasha/
Those seeking peace are vilified and excommunicated (“Wagah candle-kissers”?).
The most recent one is the use of the term "bakistan" in Paracha's articles.Lalmohan wrote:a lot of BRF lingo has made it into the main stream - mush, green-on-green, and then there is the whole goat thing...
maybe independently, but maybe not
The ministry of water and power concedes that the electricity distribution companies (discos)have to recover Rs375.73 billion from consumers.
But these consumers are not just errant individuals and tax evading businesses but also the government.
“There are frequent complaints of teams being held hostage or severely harassed by powerful people who are not paying bills,” said an official of Sepco.
“Recently we disconnected the power supply to Wasa and some other departments over outstanding bills of Rs2.38 billion but half a dozen MNAs and MPAs intervened. The politicians’ argument was that their voters would get upset,” said one official.
x 10Not worth commenting on your claim that Pakis admit any sort of guilt for 26/11, but I agree with your comment above. Thats why I say whats all this people to people contact nonsense with Paki chutiys. A sound Indian policy should be none of that until the TSP govt, and by that I mean TSPA/ISI come knocking on India's door for so called people to people contact. This separation of average TSP Abduls from TSPA/ISI/LeT when it comes to India is a specious concoction and must be eschewed.Dipanker wrote:
This is the Paki bashing thread, let's stick to that, for whining there are whole bunch of thread in GDF.
To my pleasant surprise I did. Several years ago, I was arguing about Kashmir with a Paki RAPE in a hotel reception in DC, and the hotel manager, also a Paki, overheard our argument. At the end of the reception, the manager was very friendly with me and kept telling me what a fraud TSP is and lamented their terror against India and US support to TSP. I thought he was not a real Paki, but then he told me that he is a BaluchiPratikDas wrote: Not a single Pakistani I have ever met has, even in personal conversations, accepted the possibility of peace with India with India keeping Kashmir.
Have you? And please leave out grandparents or those old enough to be grandparents.
. Does he counts as a Paki?In which category would you place this monkey ? I mean "The news" is supposed to be a "respectable" TSP newspaper promoting Aman ki TamashaManuT wrote:
IMO there are 3 kinds in public limelight:
1. Who would like to make peace with India. The smallest of the lot and the dice is loaded against them.
2. Those who talk on behalf of the establishment and have been tuned in by the establishment.
3. Are those have been asked to be a part of Track II but really don't get the memos from the establishment.
. Did somebody say people to people contact?CRamS wrote:Not worth commenting on your claim that Pakis admit any sort of guilt for 26/11, but I agree with your comment above. Thats why I say whats all this people to people contact nonsense with Paki chutiys. A sound Indian policy should be none of that until the TSP govt, and by that I mean TSPA/ISI come knocking on India's door for so called people to people contact. This separation of average TSP Abduls from TSPA/ISI/LeT when it comes to India is a specious concoction and must be eschewed.Dipanker wrote:
This is the Paki bashing thread, let's stick to that, for whining there are whole bunch of thread in GDF.
KARACHI, July 19: At least seven people, including two policemen, were killed in the city and a police kiosk was attacked with a hand grenade on Thursday, when President Asif Ali Zardari and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz chief were present in the city.
No absolutely not! how could you even think?CRamS wrote:I thought he was not a real Paki, but then he told me that he is a Baluchi
The Major & Lalbrofessor have played a significant role in recent times in getting baki speak out among folks who hang out at Teetaristananupmisra wrote:The most recent one is the use of the term "bakistan" in Paracha's articles.Lalmohan wrote:a lot of BRF lingo has made it into the main stream - mush, green-on-green, and then there is the whole goat thing...
maybe independently, but maybe not
The author is a Delhi -based journalist and can be reached at [email protected]I have my own explanation, an explanation stemming from the popular tendency to perceive India as Hindu and Pakistan as Muslim. Look at the demography of the two countries — Hindus constitute less than two percent of Pakistan’s population and are concentrated in Sindh. By contrast, Muslims comprise nearly 14 percent of India’s population and are spread countrywide. The minuscule presence of Hindus in Pakistan enabled its people to bring a closure to the bloody legacy of Partition; their absence from most regions in Pakistan ensured the dark memories of 1947-48 were not rekindled to feed fresh narrations of communal differences. Pithily, there are/were too few Hindus to contend with, riot against and feel insecure about their loyalty. Subsequently, new generations of Pakistanis grew without having the ‘lived experience’ of hatred for Hindus, co-terminus with Indians, thus liberating them from the shackles of history in welcoming the Indian as a long-lost brother or sister whose grandfather was opposed to the creation of Pakistan.It is the opposite in India, where the memory of Partition was/is harped upon in contemporary narrations to trace the provenance of their barely concealed suspicion of each other, which erupts into periodic violence. There was/is always present a Muslim and the symbols of his/her faith in India as a reminder of the grim past, which is malleable enough to be reinterpreted, rSo take heart, you the Pakistani who feels the Indian is indifferent to him or her. Or, better still, read Pundits from Pakistan, which Penguin Books has reissued, to fathom the depth of our admiration for your generosity and warmthenewed, and brought to cast its shadow on community relations in the present.
Exactly, so can we drop this charade of making peace with Pakistan, i.e. aman ki tamasha?ManuT wrote:PratikDas ji
I'll say this, everytime one of those (who want to make peace with India turns up dead) I'll give a hoot if I am around.
The problem is TSP is keen on "making a deal" rather that "making peace".
Thank you for sharing that experience, CRamS ji. It confirms common beliefs. Only a Pakistani who behaves like a Paki is a Paki. ACRamS wrote:To my pleasant surprise I did. Several years ago, I was arguing about Kashmir with a Paki RAPE in a hotel reception in DC, and the hotel manager, also a Paki, overheard our argument. At the end of the reception, the manager was very friendly with me and kept telling me what a fraud TSP is and lamented their terror against India and US support to TSP. I thought he was not a real Paki, but then he told me that he is a BaluchiPratikDas wrote: Not a single Pakistani I have ever met has, even in personal conversations, accepted the possibility of peace with India with India keeping Kashmir.
Have you? And please leave out grandparents or those old enough to be grandparents.
The descendants of the Nizam have appealed to Pakistan to reciprocate to India's offer of an out-of-court settlement over the wealth of the ruler of the erstwhile Hyderabad state lying locked up in a London bank for over 60 years.
After partition and before the merger of the then Hyderabad state with India, Nizam Mir Osman Ali Khan's finance minister Moin Nawaz Jung had transferred 10,07,940 pounds sterling and nine shillings in the name of then Pakistan high commissioner in London HI Rahimtoola in the National Westminster Bank, which is now called the Royal Bank of Scotland.
The Indian government in 2008 decided to pursue an out-of-court settlement with Pakistan and the heirs of the Nizam.
The cabinet took the decision after Nizam's descendants met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and then foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee
"Since we are the legal heirs of Nizam and this amount has no will or trust deed, we want the money to be distributed among us as per the Sharia (Islamic law)
Nizam was the first person to give money to Pakistan for its first budget.
Jizya Collected from Hindus is given to Pakis as per Sharia!Osman Ali Khan, who was the world's richest man of his time, died in 1967.
ManuT wrote:The great India-Pakistan tamasha
By Shahzad Chaudhry
Published: July 18, 2012
http://tribune.com.pk/story/409952/the- ... n-tamasha/
Those seeking peace are vilified and excommunicated (“Wagah candle-kissers”?).
Quite true. But the last decade of turmoil is unlike they faced since independence and will leave an effect on that society. Plenty of opportunity for piskological help and guidance.PratikDas wrote: Not a single Pakistani I have ever met has, even in personal conversations, accepted the possibility of peace with India with India keeping Kashmir.
Have you? And please leave out grandparents or those old enough to be grandparents.
That granny-glass wearing Shahzad Chaudhary is 400% lurker. He even stole Theo-saar's anti-drone warfare methods and claims Raaa-drones are "ordered" to stalk his sorry ass in the web. Probably slaps his milkman every day morning for being an undercover Injun stalker and yet wonders why his milk is getting increasingly thin and yellow.Just one thing to say, Nizam key aulaadon dont you know the govt of pakistan is in a far worse financial condition than you guys are in ?The family does not anticipate any legal hurdles. "Both the governments can claim the money but considering the present financial condition of the family, we request them to give up their claim if they have any such thing in mind and permit us to take the money."
Going by this logic that monolithic societies are more courteous towards each other, shouldnt Pakistan have had better success at democracy? Because they are comfortable that all of them are pious muslims and would elect only pious competent muslims, shouldnt the democratic process be credible, tame, effective and fair affair? On the other hand in India the majority should have become suspicious of the outsize influence of the minorities, the minorities should have rebelled against tyranny of the majority and the system should have torn itself apart.Jhujar wrote:Beneath Contempt
Why Pakistanis are warmer than Indians — Azal AssHairaafThe author is a Delhi -based journalist and can be reached at [email protected]I have my own explanation, an explanation stemming from the popular tendency to perceive India as Hindu and Pakistan as Muslim. Look at the demography of the two countries — Hindus constitute less than two percent of Pakistan’s population and are concentrated in Sindh. By contrast, Muslims comprise nearly 14 percent of India’s population and are spread countrywide. The minuscule presence of Hindus in Pakistan enabled its people to bring a closure to the bloody legacy of Partition; their absence from most regions in Pakistan ensured the dark memories of 1947-48 were not rekindled to feed fresh narrations of communal differences. Pithily, there are/were too few Hindus to contend with, riot against and feel insecure about their loyalty. Subsequently, new generations of Pakistanis grew without having the ‘lived experience’ of hatred for Hindus, co-terminus with Indians, thus liberating them from the shackles of history in welcoming the Indian as a long-lost brother or sister whose grandfather was opposed to the creation of Pakistan.It is the opposite in India, where the memory of Partition was/is harped upon in contemporary narrations to trace the provenance of their barely concealed suspicion of each other, which erupts into periodic violence. There was/is always present a Muslim and the symbols of his/her faith in India as a reminder of the grim past, which is malleable enough to be reinterpreted, rSo take heart, you the Pakistani who feels the Indian is indifferent to him or her. Or, better still, read Pundits from Pakistan, which Penguin Books has reissued, to fathom the depth of our admiration for your generosity and warmthenewed, and brought to cast its shadow on community relations in the present.
I fully agree. Pakistan should be compensated by the US for the money Pakistan lost because of Pakistan shutting down NATO routes.truck owners say they are not moving until they are compensated for the money lost during the shutdown that stranded more than 1,500 shipments on the road.
Muhammad Khan, who owns 310 trucks, said he and others deserve to get paid.
“The round figure for the 210 days that these trucks have been held up is $15 million,” said Khan.
