PAK-FA and FGFA Thread

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 20 Jul 2012 22:20

^^^ MKI is good for a lot.

OT here, but what is the LCA good for, and how can we develop it into something world leading? How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Jul 2012 01:26

In these type of systems, expertise, industrial base, continuous programs, maturity of the r&d setup to production engineering metters to beat RAfale, raptor etc. It would be always a catchup game even if one small mechanical piece is imported.

It is not an achievable objective to beat existing advanced flying machines, unless others lag behind by stopping their progams to allow us to catch up. they are going to be always advancing as well., so the gap will be always there.

now let us not blame ourselves, but at least maintain the same gap or shorten it if possible.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 21 Jul 2012 01:51

mahadevbhu wrote:How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?

Give the Rafale pilot a double gin and tonic for breakfast and tie his right hand to his left foot.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 21 Jul 2012 01:55

eklavya wrote:
mahadevbhu wrote:How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?
Give the Rafale pilot a double gin and tonic for breakfast and tie his right hand to his left foot.

If that does not work, try blindfolding the Rafale pilot.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Jul 2012 01:59

mahadevbhu wrote:^^^ MKI is good for a lot.

OT here, but what is the LCA good for, and how can we develop it into something world leading? How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?

Beat the rafale in what? And I humbly request you to please continue this in the Newbie thread.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 25 Jul 2012 17:53

http://www.filefactory.com/file/4ebc6rs ... /PAKFA_ZIP - PAK FA and T 50 Development

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jul 2012 18:11

anything on pdf lines, that can be opened without download?

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 25 Jul 2012 18:12

That is a pdf copy zipped. I have to upload it as I dont have any other way of sharing it.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jul 2012 20:41

It asks me to register and signin, which I am trying to avoid.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 25 Jul 2012 20:50

So what is all this PAK-DA bussiness. Any open reports yet?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Jul 2012 21:14

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tejas · Post by **tejas** » 25 Jul 2012 21:30

GD, Rafale has CFTs:

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jul 2012 21:47

eklavya wrote:
mahadevbhu wrote:How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?
Give the Rafale pilot a double gin and tonic for breakfast and tie his right hand to his left foot.

Ha ha ha. So funny. Bhindians are such hilarious guys..

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 25 Jul 2012 22:00

^+1 funny indeed

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 26 Jul 2012 19:42

^^^^

Bhindians kaayar hothe hain.

Wish we were a little braver. Sure LCA can screw the Rafale. Its up to us to make it good enough to do so. Lets rise to the technological challenge brothers.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 26 Jul 2012 21:04

mahadevbhu wrote:^^^^

Bhindians kaayar hothe hain.

Wish we were a little braver. Sure LCA can screw the Rafale. Its up to us to make it good enough to do so. Lets rise to the technological challenge brothers.

In theory, mahadevbhu-ji, you can also screw Kareena Kapoor; in practice, only Saif has the privilege. But it is certainly good to "rise" to the challenge!

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 26 Jul 2012 22:10

^^^

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 26 Jul 2012 22:30

Just incase if any one could not download the AFM article posted by Andy here it is

AFM: Sukhoi T-50 Follow On Flanker

http://www.mediafire.com/?auksfyy9oz898c4

Guys take all the Katrina , Rise and Fall to the Rafale thread.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Aug 2012 15:19

PAK-FA ( July 31 )

http://russianplanes.net/images/to83000/082341.jpg
http://russianplanes.net/id82328

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Aug 2012 17:52

I wonder if on FPGA it might be feasible to change those huge landing gear struts and wheels to a more normal size and thus make it lighter and/or carve out more internal fuel tank space...(not sure what lies near the current landing wheel bays)

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 03 Aug 2012 20:47

any significance of the red and yellow strip design on the inlet?

they were talking about plasma stealth for the inlets.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 09 Aug 2012 07:08

Third PAK-FA (T-50-3) Prototype Tests AESA Radar : Agency

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Aug 2012 18:24

cool.. the video of the radar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVpvZoKHT0s

now, they have the right platform to focus on brahmos and novator integration. India should get the APIs to integrate, and start working on the brahmos integration.. and ensure the MKI upgrades can get a version of this radar.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 11 Aug 2012 09:20

Nice Pic

http://fotkidepo.ru/photo/401381/45305A ... 797285.jpg
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PAK-FA and Mig-29M2

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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Aug 2012 19:31

PAK-FA / T-50 Russian Air Force 100th Anniversary Air Show 2012

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Aug 2012 17:02

Sukhoi starts tests on PAK-FA’s radar

Sukhoi says it has started testing an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar on its fifth-generation T-50 PAK-FA fighter in a statement issued on 8 August.

The company says that the radar is showing "considerable progress" in ground and flight testing. The performance demonstrated so far "corresponds to the existing level of best aviation systems available elsewhere", Sukhoi says. There are currently three flying T-50 prototypes, but only one is equipped with an AESA.

The Tikhomirov NIIP-developed AESA employs "advanced technologies of electronic control over the radar beam", Sukhoi says, which is a first for a Russian-built set.

The new radar will not only afford the PAK-FA the ability to detect targets from greater ranges, it will also enable the simultaneous use of air-to-air and air-to-surface modes. The radar can also engage several targets at a time using precision-guided munitions. Additionally, it features built-in target recognition and classification capabilities as well as secure communications and electronic countermeasures.

Sukhoi says that there is a growth path to integrating additional capabilities to the new AESA radar. But, because the system is designed to be modular, there could be other potential applications for the new system including retrofits to older aircraft types or even air defence systems, the company says.

Sukhoi also is continuing to wring-out other systems onboard the PAK-FA. For example, testing of the jet's "optical channels" has started, the company says. Additionally, a fourth PAK-FA prototype could soon be joining the test fleet.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Aug 2012 17:03

few high res pic

http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/moin/V ... s-1269.jpg
http://sukhoi.org/img/gallery/wallpaper/_SPL8853.jpg
http://maks.sukhoi.ru/media/photo/maks2 ... m2_065.jpg

saje · Post by **saje** » 16 Aug 2012 16:41

The new radar will not only afford the PAK-FA the ability to detect targets from greater ranges, it will also enable the simultaneous use of air-to-air and air-to-surface modes. The radar can also engage several targets at a time using precision-guided munitions.

Phew! that sounds like a lot for one SDRE jock to do! With my limited flight sim experience, the best way I can think of using such a radar would be to have the option of toggling the air-to-air & air-to-surface targets between the HMD and the HUD. That way, while I'm attacking ground targets using the HUD I can always keep an eye on any air targets on the HMD and vice versa. But it's still quite a lot of data coming at you! So it's good that we decided to go with two heads for this bird as well!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2012 18:04

Austin wrote:few high res pic
http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/moin/V ... s-1269.jpg

what a pic! wow! just fantastic-o!

http://maks.sukhoi.ru/media/photo/maks2 ... m2_065.jpg

what is the rustic mark on both the inlets {after the cowl?} under the belly?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 16 Aug 2012 18:11

Austin wrote:
PAK-FA and Mig-29M2

http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20120809/1 ... 000809.jpg

Must be the angle...the mig-29 appears almost similar in size to the Pak-Fa, while it is in reality considerably smaller.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Aug 2012 22:00

Fifth-generation fighter will soon begin test for Super Maneuverability

MOSCOW, August 16 - RIA Novosti. Fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (T-50) will soon begin testing maneuverability, said on Thursday honored test pilot and Hero of Russia, Sergei Bogdan.

Currently involved in testing three prototypes fifth-generation fighter. This year, to connect the fourth plane.

"The plane of the fifth generation in the near future, the program proceeds to test for super maneuverability. And those figures who now plays Su-35, T-50 aircraft in the near future will also be ready to perform," - said in an interview Bogdan "Russia 24".

He noted that unlike the Su-35 (which is a plane 4 + + generation), the fifth generation fighter aircraft greater wing area, larger volume of fuel, the engine with higher thrust.

According to Bogdan, agility T-50 is just more, despite the great demands of his "signature." "There are all conditions that the aircraft will be significantly better than the Su-35", - said Bohdan.

Comparing the T-50 aircraft with an American fifth-generation fighter F-22 "Raptor", he said that our T-50 came later, so all the shortcomings that were identified from the Americans, were taken into account when creating a Russian aircraft.

"Our Su-30MKI in 1997 on the handling characteristics showed no worse than the" Raptor ". Have passed since 15 years. By the fact that" Raptor "shows now, we can judge that by handling it does not beat that plane , "- said Bogdan.

He stressed that the tactical maneuvers with the aircraft Malaysia and India show that Russian planes prevail in a "skirmish."

"I think our strike aircraft developed in the right direction", - said Bohdan.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2012 22:02

We still need to see the super-duper high g turns, and flips.. and other things MKI and raptor does

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 16 Aug 2012 22:13

No official sources for this but I feel that the F 22 needed thrust vectoring very badly to make it a useful fighter. The compromise on its shape due to stealth gave it poor aerodynamic properties. The F117 & B2 both suffer from the same issues. To compensate for this, they introduced thrust vectoring or else it would have become another duck like the F 35 in aerodynamic performance.

IIRC, during the last Red Flag the word going around was that F 22 had an instantaneous turn rate of 24*. The same for the MKI was 32*. Considering that the MKI has an agile frame & better TVC than the F 22, this seems very plausible. The PAK FA is expected to be superior to its predecessors making it more agile and maneuvrable.

Of course, this may result in lower stealth but considering the proliferation of stealth radars (L Band, bistatic), this might be a compromise worth making. Incidentally, the PAK FA is supposed to carry the L Band radar that will allow it to detect any incoming stealth aircraft without the use of AWACS or other supporting radars. On a 1 vs 1 basis, the PAK FA would easily get the first shot for everything else being equal.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Aug 2012 22:17

( via flateric )

An official schematics with lower half showing generic 5-gen engine with ejector TVC nozzle. Sukhoi was actively studying ejector nozzles on aircraft in mid of this decade , supposed for 2nd stage engine

TVC used to good effect while landing

http://paralay.iboards.ru/download/file ... &mode=view

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2012 22:45

I don't think raptor was designed for close combats. Kill the enemy before he can see you is their design mission., especially the electronic sensor package with passive tracking and scanning is all about raptor's advantage against pak-fa.

So, if pak-fa can dodge AAMs, then it can rule, but must carry an extended range OLS system.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 17 Aug 2012 16:04

what are the black stripes around the PAK-FA's nose? They weren't there earlier. The prototype MiG-29K too had them.
Are they some sort of visual cue, to calibrate something?

Hi-Res
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via http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/464

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 17 Aug 2012 19:01

With the 4th prototype joining soon, I'd like to see couple of Indian test pilots get involved with the PAK-FA testing.

yantra · Post by **yantra** » 17 Aug 2012 19:27

^^ Looks like Russia is going solo. Where is the Indian involvement (design and development)? Is it just the money?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Aug 2012 21:24

If we are not careful here, billions of hard earned money will be gone! and still our DRDO will be poor.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 Aug 2012 02:04

JTull wrote:With the 4th prototype joining soon, I'd like to see couple of Indian test pilots get involved with the PAK-FA testing.

Related and dependent to some extent, but different in most.

An Indian pilot may just get access to the PAK-FA, more likely to take a peek. Why should he take it seriously, when the FGFA should be a standard by itself (much like the MKI).(I still feel that the AMCA would be a higher standard.Let us see.)