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Tartus has become a refugee base for Alawites

Syria's Alawite Refuge
This Middle Eastern haven, however, lies just 60 miles west of Homs, the battle-broken city that is the center of gravity in the civil war that has shattered Syria, killing more than 16,000 people and displacing a quarter of a million more. Tartus, though, has become a refuge for the country's minority Alawi Shiite population. "As an Alawi, I don't really care about Bashar al-Assad," says 30-year-old Majed, referring to Syria's president, who is also Alawi. "The only thing that concerns me is security."

Eight months ago, after losing his job and fearing for his safety, Majed escaped Homs. (Like others interviewed for this article, Majed chose to keep his last name private for security reasons.) In Tartus, he has found work as a telecommunications salesman. "Everyone thinks we defend the regime and the authorities, but the opposition has given us no choice but to flee to the coast," he says. "It's like I'm not even in the Middle East here, I feel so secure."

Similar sentiments are easy to find in Tartus. Fayez, a 35-year-old import-export business owner, also abandoned Homs last year after opposition fighters operating under the banner of the Free Syrian Army kidnapped his cousins and wrote "Get out" on the door of his home. "Revolutionaries," Fayez describes them sarcastically, holding up his fingers in bitter air quotes. "Tartus is my new home. I don't ever intend to leave," he says. "In the end, Bashar al-Assad will go and our children will be left, and we have to defend their future here."
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Thanks for the reply.
Austin wrote: Shyamd , I understand Economy is not your forte but you seriously need to do some study on Russian Economy in recent times like the debt , reserves , growth etc and then compare with EU economy and then you will find they are in far far better shape
I'm not disputing that EU is in deep shit. But the EU has a lot more to offer the world than the russians do. I do understand they have good telecomms and their software industry has been doing quite well. Yes, their cash reserves and bailouts has been allowing their economy to improve.

But my point is apart from commodities and defence, they don't have much else to offer. Its one of the main reasons, PRC/Iran and Russia never did form their alliance back in the 80's/90s and why Central asia are looking southward.
I am not comparing the two economies , I really dont want to be in a deep shit economy like EU or US is they really dont have the stomach to do things they would have easily done 10 years back and most certainly the body bags they have got from Iraq and Afganistan is a lesson they will never forget.
Agreed
Russian should really not care if Assad wins or looses its his call but it should oppose any UN move to change government via some kind of UN sanctions or mandate .....as it sets a very bad precedent for future and just encourages party with guns to forment more violence with support of Western led UN based change .....and both China and Russia has been successful in blocking such move which is really good for now and in future. Libya was a aberration something should never happen but they lernt their lessons well.
Libya will get better over time and the elections have happened, the country is still in one piece. Sure militias still control various parts of the country - but it will take time to have a monopoly on control. There is already some success. For example, the Qatari's were egging the eastern Libyans (Cyrenaica) to become independent - Jibril handled this very well and he played on nationalism and that the Egyptians were trying to annexe Eastern libya etc and he managed to bring the people to his side. So its improving and it will take time to resolve this. (Qatari CP was said to have lost his cool when his islamists lost the elections! :lol: ). The Libyan jews who left are about to get a law enacted (under negotiations with the Libyan PM) to get back their properties that were seized in 1967

Post WWII - was quite similar with extrajudicial killings - in France they killed 10,000 collaborators and seized their properties. Militias were still roaming the streets killing at will.
The european strategists that are currently in the hot seats in the various corridors of power still have these experiences in their minds and without doubt help resolve these probles. Its not new for them.

Russia does care - they want their interests in the world to be protected. As part of that they were building alliances in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. Then Syria rebellion kicked off. In fact Russia recently opened 2 soviet era sigint stations and provided satellites for the regime to communicate and supporting operations.
The next regime is not really going to be friendly to moscow and don't forget if Syria goes down, KSA, Qatar, Kuwait will pump oil and gas through Syria and into Europe, which reduces the influence of Russia in europe and their O&G monopoly. If this happens (which it will as Kurdistan begin pumping hteir o&G), the eastern european states will look more westward.
Russia if need be would get enough ammunition from Alawaite , Iraq , Iran , Shiah and all the sect that opposes a Sunni led government to keep pot boiling , but they should not do that all they should do is to push the parties for a national led government involving all parties from all communities peaceful talks and stopping of violence from both sides are way forward .....a Sunni win or Assad or his cronies stay in power will just means more body bags and possibly West Asia getting unstable and Oil Price hitting the roof affecting the recovery of economy in the world.
They are doing that already! Shia iraqis, Iranians and Hezbollah are already there and it is a matter of protecting Iranian interests with or without russia.

The factor we have is 75% of the population is sunni. But it is important to have stability there and someone who can unite all - sunni christian alawite. This is what the GCC/Turkey have been trying for. Did you see Manaf Tlass's speech?
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Russia may be cautious about putting boots on the ground, but its economy is far better in fundamentals than it pretends to be. Putin's economic policy has been a partial recentralization of natural resources, Russia's current greatest selling point, and a very astute mutual dependence expansion plan all around- especially with its western ends.

Even the CAR is not that much out of Russian orbit.

One solution for the Syrian situation is a partition of the country. One way or the other that is what will happen, without or with Assad. Even if the rebels overrun the country - the overall equations mid-term to long-term is not so straightforward as Libya.
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shyamd wrote:I'm not disputing that EU is in deep shit. But the EU has a lot more to offer the world than the russians do. I do understand they have good telecomms and their software industry has been doing quite well. Yes, their cash reserves and bailouts has been allowing their economy to improve.
See you can only offer when you are strong right now EU and US economy is very weak the former may be break or at best drag bleeding the only performing economy in EU which is the Germans , no one wants EU to break but thats a possibility thats seriously considered.

Had the same Syria issue had happened 10 years back it would have been something different because they were economically and militarily strong , Europe defence expenditure is going down and US too will go down with the automatic cuts coming in.

US economy is also in deep shit the feds says next year could be a recession year ......all that both economies managed to gather is debt and more of it.

Western countries are tired of war and body bags after Iraq and Afghanistan there is no stomach for any more because the primary need right now is to fix their economy and that would at the least take minimum of decade or two or even more

Only Chinese Economy and Russian Economy is doing well ( in narrow context of this war ) the former much better and they have both many thing to be wary about west beyond just syria. So you will see both countries working together a lot just short of formal alliance actually they have some sort of semi-formal alliance via SCO a block against NATO expansion.

But my point is apart from commodities and defence, they don't have much else to offer. Its one of the main reasons, PRC/Iran and Russia never did form their alliance back in the 80's/90s and why Central asia are looking southward.
They dont really need a formal alliance , Russia has CSTO and there is semi-formal SCO.

Countries that the West opposes are naturally gravitated towards Russia , look at Iran for eg without Russian support they would have been long gone via UN route that so convenient to West for regime change
Libya will get better over time and the elections have happened
We will see lets give them 5 years and then we can sure know if they go up or down , Libya GDP is 60 % destroyed they are much weaker now then they were under the formal ruler.

Its going to be one struggle to get up and walk and we need to see if they achieve that.
Russia does care - they want their interests in the world to be protected. As part of that they were building alliances in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. Then Syria rebellion kicked off. In fact Russia recently opened 2 soviet era sigint stations and provided satellites for the regime to communicate and supporting operations.
Ofcourse they care else they wouldnt veto thrice :)

What i mean is they dont want to put boots on ground or appear to be overtly supporting one over other , if they want to they can easily arm the Syria regiem and can out arm any one there but they dont do that , they have an approach of non interfering into fight beyond the UN veto which has much greater dimension beyond Syria.
The next regime is not really going to be friendly to moscow and don't forget if Syria goes down, KSA, Qatar, Kuwait will pump oil and gas through Syria and into Europe, which reduces the influence of Russia in europe and their O&G monopoly. If this happens (which it will as Kurdistan begin pumping hteir o&G), the eastern european states will look more westward.
A country has no permanent friends or enemies just permanent interest , the next regime could be as friendly to Moscow because they would have the Alawaite , Shiah , Christians too and Moscow will look after their interest .

All this pipe line through this or that only is a theoretical exercise becuase there are factors like reserves , security and economy of pipeline that comes into play , in theory you can have a pipeline from Iran to India or Bangladesh to India but there are factors like security and viability and local politics.

Russia is key to Europe Energy Security they have Nord Stream and South Stream that can give Europe Assured gas for many many decades to come with all the reliability ,security and reserves coming into play hence Europe has invested in to it , infact even UK is now interested in gas via Nord.

Same for China , Russia supplies Oil and Gas and Electricity to China for its ever increasing hungry need for energy.

Its a mutually beneficial relation and no one wants to rock the boat because of mutual beneficial needs.

They are doing that already! Shia iraqis, Iranians and Hezbollah are already there and it is a matter of protecting Iranian interests with or without russia.
Without Russia the Iran and Iraq will have to just toe the West line or just end up getting kicked up , Russia if i am not wrong has even formally recognised Hezbollah and have invited their top leadership to Moscow.

Shiahs have no real friend in West and they will gravitate toward Russia and may be at some stage China.

Who knows after China supporting the Veto they will gain more credibility in the eyes of countries who would not look them beyond its economic needs.
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More American spy satellites and other resources have been re-allocated towards Israel in the past 1 week. "Active" surveillance of Israel is currently enforced.Israel believes that their window to attack Iran has almost expired and an attack in September/October is their best bet . Obama disagrees but Jewish lobby for Mitt Romney has gathered momentum to persuade him to sanction the strike in January.
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shyamd wrote:Russia does care - they want their interests in the world to be protected. As part of that they were building alliances in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. Then Syria rebellion kicked off. In fact Russia recently opened 2 soviet era sigint stations and provided satellites for the regime to communicate and supporting operations.
Let me restate what I said a little more precisely; Russia has interests in Syria that it cares about, but it has larger interests that are much, much more important.

- The first is refusing to legitimate direct external intervention through the UN for the purposes of regime change
- The second is upholding the right of a government to crush protests through any and all means available
- The third is looking strong to his own population
- The fourth is to advertise the value addition of buying Russian weapons (guaranteed UN veto supplied)

These are priorities that stand independent of Assad's survival. They -particularly the first three- are in fact far more important to Putin than Assad. Its ditto for the Chinese.

They are important enough that Putin has been willing to forego the influence and the very big money Russia has been making of Turkey, the GCC and the Arab world in general after the US damaged relations in 2002-03 by invading Iraq against their advice.
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If I'm not mistaken its not as big as Holland for example)

Huh? You are mistaken. They are nearing two trillion. Moreover they are an energy superpower with nukes. It was Putin's refusal to handover Yukos to either Exxon or Chevron with the jailing of Khodorkovsky in 2003 that contributed in no small measure to the massive spike in oil prices that depressed the west.


They will give up on Syria only in return for certain things. And all of those certain things are geoeconomic and mostly involve energy.

Becoz as it has been discussed ad infinitum here the real reason for opposing the West in Syria is also geoeconomic.

After all to balance their budget they need a certain oil price. Guess who has now partnered with Russia for Arctic oil? hint hint hint.

A very dear friend of mine told me not so long ago: "There is only one rule in geopolitics, Don't screw with Russia".
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Austin wrote: See you can only offer when you are strong right now EU and US economy is very weak the former may be break or at best drag bleeding the only performing economy in EU which is the Germans , no one wants EU to break but thats a possibility thats seriously considered.
Given a choice - the US still has access to the advanced tech and innovation with a massive economy to boot - that accounts for 20%+ of world GDP. I dont think Russia can come close to offering anything here.

US and EU can still make trade deals etc as they are trying to do with India. But the economy does hold them back from entering conflicts militarily and I agree that they have lost the willingness to take casualties.
Had the same Syria issue had happened 10 years back it would have been something different because they were economically and militarily strong , Europe defence expenditure is going down and US too will go down with the automatic cuts coming in.
I agree. But I'd rather partner with the French/Germans/US and get access to their tech and build on it to make it better. Whilst the russian tech in certain areas are good but they are not world leaders and not the best. I think they themselves recognise that and have embarked on reinvigorating this.
US economy is also in deep shit the feds says next year could be a recession year ......all that both economies managed to gather is debt and more of it.
They are in deep trouble - EU economies are in deep trouble... There is no doubt and even Germany is not immune to the troubles that is heading their way.

Only Chinese Economy and Russian Economy is doing well ( in narrow context of this war ) the former much better and they have both many thing to be wary about west beyond just syria. So you will see both countries working together a lot just short of formal alliance actually they have some sort of semi-formal alliance via SCO a block against NATO expansion.
Yes, they should imo and they are. There are 3 PRC ships off the coast of syria along with 10 Russian ships. War by proxy. But they will still accept the will of the Syrian people and you will see that soon.

They dont really need a formal alliance , Russia has CSTO and there is semi-formal SCO.

Countries that the West opposes are naturally gravitated towards Russia , look at Iran for eg without Russian support they would have been long gone via UN route that so convenient to West for regime change
Yeah but the central asians are moving further and further away from the CSTO - I think it was Uzbekistan that have recently announced they are leaving. The russian attitude is that either Russia controls them or the Russian strategists they don't develop at all. And therefore Central asian states (those that can) will look south towards the islamic states. The US still retains enormous interests there because of the US influence in Azerbaijan - which they see as the Cork for the access to the CAS riches.

Yes, there will always be nations that gravitate towards Russia. But their weapons that they sell aren't rated highly to defend against Western attack.

We will see lets give them 5 years and then we can sure know if they go up or down , Libya GDP is 60 % destroyed they are much weaker now then they were under the formal ruler.

Its going to be one struggle to get up and walk and we need to see if they achieve that.

Their oil sales are improving every month and I have a friend who sells luxury cars too libya from Malta - he is still seeing big demand.


Ofcourse they care else they wouldnt veto thrice :)

What i mean is they dont want to put boots on ground or appear to be overtly supporting one over other , if they want to they can easily arm the Syria regiem and can out arm any one there but they dont do that , they have an approach of non interfering into fight beyond the UN veto which has much greater dimension beyond Syria.
They are interfering via arms sales and giving them weapons. But you see they dont want to because the others do have leverage over russia - so its treading a fine line. By the way, no one sees the need in exploiting Russian weakness to give up Asad because they know they don't need them! Which means what? They are confident of defeating Asad and his downfall will come - best he can hope for is fighting for a homeland and protector of the alawites. Even all this has been gamed and strategies are in place to deal with it.

But I agree Russia doesnt want to be seen as giving them too much support - for PR purposes maybe.
A country has no permanent friends or enemies just permanent interest , the next regime could be as friendly to Moscow because they would have the Alawaite , Shiah , Christians too and Moscow will look after their interest .
Yes but it won't be the same as what it used to be and eventually the russians will be asked to leave - wait and watch after 5 years.
All this pipe line through this or that only is a theoretical exercise becuase there are factors like reserves , security and economy of pipeline that comes into play , in theory you can have a pipeline from Iran to India or Bangladesh to India but there are factors like security and viability and local politics.
Yes, but this is what I said a long time ago, if Asad leaves - that entire region comes under 1 umbrella of influence - sunni GCC. So the pipeline going through is very likely to happen. The Kurds will also see a big benefit. They use economics to tie them in a mutually beneficial relationship.
Russia is key to Europe Energy Security they have Nord Stream and South Stream that can give Europe Assured gas for many many decades to come with all the reliability ,security and reserves coming into play hence Europe has invested in to it , infact even UK is now interested in gas via Nord.
Yes but the EU doesn't like to be reliant only on Russia and if they can get gas from other parties - they will. And for the suppliers, it makes sense as it does for the customers. Ask the european nations and they will tell you what it was like when russia cut off supplies.
Without Russia the Iran and Iraq will have to just toe the West line or just end up getting kicked up , Russia if i am not wrong has even formally recognised Hezbollah and have invited their top leadership to Moscow.
Yes hezbollah are in the govt now so they use that cover to speak to Russia overtly and Russia wants that relationship to grow - and they were relying on Russia for weapons sales.
But again, Hezbollah was getting all its weapons from Syria and Iran anyway.

Anyway - you will see soon that Hezbollah will get disarmed and be forced to become a political entity (which they agreed to ).. They are next. Hamas is now slowly moving to the GCC camp - they have submitted plans to the Egyptian MB leader to drop weapons and become a poitical entity - as the GCC/West have promised Israel. Its already happening.

You see Russia is trying to show its friends that they don't give them up easily and trying to earn respect out of that.
Shiahs have no real friend in West and they will gravitate toward Russia and may be at some stage China.
Iran and Iraq are the future of that region - they have access to water and resources and a large population. They will be an independent power.
Who knows after China supporting the Veto they will gain more credibility in the eyes of countries who would not look them beyond its economic needs.
Who knows maybe Pakistan will be the new friend of Russia - perhaps Yemen or lebanon.. But yes they are trying to prove to the others that they don't give up their friends easily.

You know all this throws an interesting question - Is MMS right in sacrificing a bit to get onto the UNSC with a veto power? Many Indians did roll their eyes and called UNSC useless.
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D Roy wrote:
They will give up on Syria only in return for certain things. And all of those certain things are geoeconomic and mostly involve energy.
All that matters in Syria is the Syrian people. They are the deciding factor - not russia. Russia will accept the will of the Syrian people and you will see that when this is over.
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Does the will of the people matter in Baharain?
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Yes.
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:)

those are all Iranian lackeys :)

lets see how the will of thepeople is allowed in Jordan next
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brihaspati wrote:One solution for the Syrian situation is a partition of the country. One way or the other that is what will happen, without or with Assad. Even if the rebels overrun the country - the overall equations mid-term to long-term is not so straightforward as Libya.
This isn't going to happen - Syria will not be partitioned. I remember when everybody was saying this about Iraq; I never bought into those predicitions then, and I don't buy into it now. Syria will remain "united" geographically; what WILL happen is the Christians and Shiites are going to be ethnically cleansed from the country just as they were in Iraq. Tens of thousands of Shiite and Christian civilians (if it gets as bad as Iraq, then hundreds of thousands) will be killed. Many more will be forced to flee the country. This is one of the inevitible ugly results of this externally-engineered Syrian "revolution" that none of the pro-west\pro-Jew armchair quarterbacks on this forum like to acknowledge.
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Surya wrote::)

those are all Iranian lackeys :)

lets see how the will of thepeople is allowed in Jordan next
Surya ji, Do you want Israel to be in deep shit? Jordan has helped Israeli security a LOT!!
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pro-Jew armchair quarterbacks on this forum like to acknowledge.
could you please not convert this into another simplistic rendering - we have enough threads where folks can indulge in tarring every conversation as pro US etc

I am pro Israeli generally and you do not see me jumping on the FSA bandwagaon???
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shyamd

I still remember the jordanians for their pakiness and want the saudi riff raff gone

israel will manage and actually the right wing will be happy when Jordan becomes Palestine as it should. then at least the Palestinians have some real space to run a country.

israels got bigger problems depending on how Syria goes
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Mahendra wrote:Does the will of the people matter in Baharain?
It would if the majority of people who served in the Bahraini armed forces were Bahraini rather than Pakistani, or even if its commanders weren't all members of the al-Khalifa ruling family.

Its very, very difficult for political change to happen in any country if the leadership as well as the rank and file of the hard security organs stand dead against it.
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Surya wrote:shyamd

I still remember the jordanians for their pakiness and want the saudi riff raff gone

israel will manage and actually the right wing will be happy when Jordan becomes Palestine as it should. then at least the Palestinians have some real space to run a country
Lol. You know that King Hussein warned Israel before the 73 war? But their mistake was not to believe him and they realised 12 hours before war that he was telling the truth (Just to give you one example).

Have you read spies against Armageddon yet?
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Here we see the Syrian rebels were already engaging in massacres of non-Sunni civilians in Damascus in neighborhoods they briefly controlled last week. They certainly didn't waste any time getting down to business, including even targetting Shiite refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan that were living in the capital. This is but a small taste of what is to come.

Ethnic cleansing of non-Sunni civilians in Damascus
http://global-security-news.com/2012/07 ... -refugees/
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Folks in Austria's biggest newspaper are very good at Photoshop.

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shyamd

who needs King hussein when their were all other indications for that war. and of course when the jordan royal familiy depends on western interests to rule they will do whats needed - no bug surprises

but I think you are not getting my point

its jordan's support to the Bakis that I remember well and want them gone

That land needs to go to the Palestinians -

regarding the book - its on my list (should come through in 2 weeks) but i don't generally believe a lot of these superman stories.
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anmol wrote:Folks in Austria's biggest newspaper are very good at Photoshop.
:rotfl:

See the background building paint colour change along where the original wall.

The Western Media used to claim Pitures don't lie, but here that has clearly been proven incorrect.
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^ And think about the people who frame their arguments and opinions based on such propaganda.
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anmol wrote:Folks in Austria's biggest newspaper are very good at Photoshop.
This is hardly the first time the western media has been caught faking about Syria. Press TV seems to be a more factual source!
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Dutch photographer held hostage in Syria: "They were only foreign jihadists; I don’t think there was one Syrian among them ... Many of them spoke good English, with Birmingham accents. According to them, a large flow of international fighters have crossed the borders with Syria during the past few weeks.” - https://worldmathaba.net/items/1303-dut ... s-and-lies

Rerun of the old Bolshevik script.
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Syrian charge d affaires in London defects.

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Turkey deploys more tanks, troops, missile batteries in Kilis.
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Pro-Assad websites claim Syria has killed Saudi intelligence chief, to avenge Damascus bombing

http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-assad- ... s-bombing/
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@shyamd FYI, from time on Stand (Aug 6th issue)
4. CHEMICAL OR BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS ARE USED
As a practical matter, the weapons may be less of a threat than is widely feared. Chemical weapons require regular attention even in storage, careful mixing before use and sophisticated means of delivery. Syria keeps its stores, including nerve gas, in depots separate from the missile warheads that would deliver them. An Israeli intelligence official recently told Time that they had not been moved from a handful of known bases, which remain under constant surveillance by governments with the means to monitor them.
Biological weapons--Syria likely has anthrax, at least--are more problematic. And the international preoccupation with the WMD stocks has given Damascus a desperate leverage. On July 23, amid fighting in the capital and in Syria's largest city, Aleppo, a Syrian government spokesman confirmed for the first time that the weapons exist but vowed that they would be used only against foreign forces. In Israel, demand for gas masks spiked. The Jewish state has repeatedly warned that it will intercede at any sign that the weapons are making their way to Hizballah, which has an arsenal of 40,000 missiles capable of reaching Israel.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... z22E3lytZy
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^^ We know he told the same to Kofi Annan when they last met that whoever gets access to it has to know what they are doing with it to use it. I think he has kept some in seperate mixtures. Time reporting is very delayed in this crisis. Its not really the latest news.

No one is going to take chances - especially Israel. Strategists are trained to think in terms of the worst case scenario and prepare for that. Keep this in mind

Front page of todays Der Spiegel - the source is clearly the Israeli diplomats/intelligence officials. They are now communicating the red lines to Asad and re-iterating it. SOP of western war style.

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Fate of Syrian Chemical Weapons May Trigger War
By Ronen Bergman, Juliane von Mittelstaedt, Matthias Schepp and Holger Stark

As the battle against Syrian rebels reaches a new stage, Israel is worried that President Assad might use his vast arsenal of chemical weapons against his own people or neighbors -- or perhaps even give some to Hezbollah. Though many experts view this as unlikely, Israel is still weighing whether to strike.
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The small village of Buqata is located on the Israeli side of the border that extends across the Golan Heights. From here, it's possible to see deep into Syrian territory. Right at the foot of the hill lies Jubata al-Khashab, a town just 55 kilometers (34 miles) southwest of Damascus, Syria's capital.

Every day, hundreds of concerned Israelis have been gathering along the barbed wire at the border and using binoculars to gaze at their neighbors in Jubata al-Khashab, who have been subjected to artillery fire in recent days. Thick clouds of smoke have been billowing from concrete apartment complexes there.

The war is close by and, whenever an Arab dictator falls, anxiety spreads throughout Israel: Will the toppling tyrant drag the Jewish state and perhaps the entire region into chaos? This fear already existed back in 2003 when the US and its allies attacked Iraq and overthrew Saddam Hussein. It was a similar story with the fall of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and, to a certain degree, the demise of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Now, this fear has been rekindled.

Last Thursday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan saw Syrian ruler Bashar Assad on the way to stepping down and thought preparations for a "new era" were underway. The regime in Damascus, though, announced the decisive battle in the power struggle with the rebels -- in Aleppo, the country's largest city, right near the Turkish border.

Last week, Assad deployed thousands of soldiers to the north to win back this city of 2 million inhabitants, where 5,500 regime opponents are reportedly entrenched. A decisive battle in, of all places, Aleppo, this ancient center of trade and commerce, whose old city is a UNESCO World Heritage Site? US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland subsequently warned of an impending "massacre."

Horrific Scenarios

Aleppo lies some 400 kilometers from the Golan Heights, but the Israelis have reinforced the border barriers in the last few days and dispatched additional soldiers to the area. They fear that a wave of refugees will also wash across the border into Israel.

"We can see the fighting from here, the mortar shells; we can hear the echoes of the bullets of the battles in the battle between the Syrian army and the rebel groups. Two-hundred meters south we can see the United Nations, and 800 meters west there is the border fence. It just shows to what extent the disintegration of the regime is far from abstract; it is real, and it is getting closer." That is how Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak recently described the situation. He said that Israel has to be prepared for every scenario.

In Jerusalem, one can imagine several of them. For example, a horror scenario in which terrorists could attack Israel with rockets, including from the Golan Heights, amid the general chaos. But military leaders are even more concerned about the Syrian regime's chemical weapons. They could be slipped into Lebanon by Hezbollah or fall into the hands of terrorists in Syria. Or, as a last resort, Assad could launch missiles armed with poison gas at Israel, as well as at Jordan and Turkey.

On the other hand, seeing that Syria has not fired a single shot at Israel in three decades, why would it now resort to using chemical weapons? Indeed, experts in Jerusalem are astonishingly unanimous in their assessment that a direct attack is unlikely. But that hasn't stopped Israel from conducting exercises simulating a poison gas attack on Haifa, and the number of Israelis picking up gas masks at distribution centers has nearly doubled within just a few days.

There is a deep-seated fear that despots react irrationally whenever their survival is threatened. Chemical weapons have already been unscrupulously used in the region on more than one occasion. In the 1960s, Egypt used poison-gas bombs during Cairo's intervention in the civil war in Yemen. And, in the 1980s, Saddam Hussein used poison gas against Iranian soldiers during the Iran-Iraq War -- and to murder large numbers of his own population.

"Once Hezbollah gets its hands on chemical weapons, someone will teach them how to use them," says Isaac Ben Israel, the former head of the Israeli military's research department. "The Iranians and the Syrians have already taught them how to launch long-range missiles."

A Massive Chemical-Weapons Infrastructure

It's also likely that the Americans and their allies are preparing to secure missiles, poison gas and modern weapons systems in the chaos of a collapse of the Assad regime. In May, under US leadership, 12,000 soldiers from 19 countries trained in Jordan for a joint mission. This force would certainly be too small in the event of a full-blown military operation in Syria. According to an internal Pentagon study, 75,000 troops would be required just to bring the chemical-weapons storage facilities under control.

The chemical-weapons depots are among the best-secured locations in all of Syria. Assad's army controls checkpoints on the access roads already kilometers before the gates, and the depots themselves are shielded by two ironclad rings of protective fences and guards. The troops who are responsible for guarding these facilities rank among the regime's loyalest supporters. One of the facilities lies northeast of Damascus, another near Homs, and a third -- where the nerve agents VX, sarin and tabun are allegedly manufactured -- is located near Hama.

The two main sites are in the cities of Masyaf and al-Safir, in northern Syria, where chemical munitions are produced and Scud missiles and launch ramps are stationed. According to Jane's Intelligence Review, a British magazine focusing on global security issues, Iran has helped the Syrians with a number of these facilities. The production and storage facilities are operated by the Scientific Studies and Research Center, which employs over 10,000 people. Reports on the extent of the chemical arsenal vary widely, but conservative estimates obtained by the German government put it at roughly 1,000 metric tons.

Located in a valley some 20 kilometers southeast of Aleppo, the al-Safir complex is said to be the largest and most important chemical-weapons facility in all of Syria. A total of three production plants operate in an area that covers five square kilometers (two square miles). Sprinkler installations, a cooling system and two large underground tanks suggest that al-Safir is no ordinary military base. In its northeastern and northwestern corners, the grounds are protected by Russian-made anti-aircraft missiles, which are supposed to offer comprehensive protection against airstrikes. A satellite photo from 2008 reveals the positions of radar facilities and launch ramps.

Russian-Syrian Connections

Syria probably started producing chemical weapons in the 1980s. The original idea was to deploy them in the event of a war with Israel. Later, the weapons were only intended to be used as a deterrent.

They initially consisted of bombs that were filled with sarin gas and designed to be dropped by aircraft. Warheads for Scud missiles were also subsequently developed, and it's now believed that Syria has roughly 700 of these weapons. According to Israeli intelligence sources, most of the expertise came from the Soviet Union and the former Czechoslovakia, but private companies from Japan and Western Europe also reportedly aided the Syrians.

In the mid-1990s, Syria reportedly managed to manufacture VX -- the most toxic nerve agent of all. A Russian played a leading role here: General Anatoly Kuntsevich, the man whom former Russian President Boris Yeltsin had appointed in the 1990s as, of all people, his adviser in efforts to eliminate chemical weapons.

Moscow had been Syria's closest ally since the 1960s. Up until the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Kremlin supplied its satellite state in the Middle East with conventional weapons worth some $26 billion (€21 billion), including aircraft, tanks and Scud missiles.

Moscow has always categorically denied that Damascus also received chemical weapons. "The Soviet Union generally didn't export weapons of mass destruction abroad or any chemical weapons," says Igor Korotchenko, chairman of the Public Council at the Defense Ministry and editor-in-chief of the magazine National Defense.

But back in 1963, shortly after the socialist Baath Party took power in Damascus, the Kremlin launched a comprehensive training program. Over 50,000 Syrian students would go on to attend Soviet universities, including 9,500 who studied at military academies.

As late as the 1990s, the Russians were still stationing intelligence officers in the Golan Heights and in northern Syria. Yeltsin's emissary Kuntsevich entered the country on numerous occasions during this period. The chemical weapons expert allegedly established connections with leading members of the Syrian regime, received large amounts of money from them and, in exchange, provided them with details on how to manufacture VX. He reportedly also shipped 800 liters of chemicals to Syria that were required to produce the poison gas.

Israeli Efforts to Stymie Chemical-Weapons Production

The Israelis were seething. But on April 3, 2002, Kuntsevich -- a winner of the Lenin Prize and, most recently, an employee at the Moscow-based Zelinsky Institute of Organic Chemistry -- died on a flight from Damascus to Moscow. The circumstances of his death remain mysterious, along with the inscription on his headstone at the Troyekurovskoye Cemetery in western Moscow, where his date of death is marked as March 29.

Kuntsevich's demise is just as murky as the death of the Yuri Ivanov. The deputy head of the GRU, Russia's foreign military intelligence service, died late in the summer of 2010, allegedly following a swimming accident in Syria.

There is speculation that the Mossad, Israel's foreign intelligence service, may have had a hand in the deaths of both men. Furthermore, a classified CIA dossier compiled during the last years of Kuntsevich's life comes to the alarming conclusion that Syria has managed to manufacture large amounts of chemical weapons.

It also remains a mystery what happened on July 25, 2007 at the al-Safir chemical weapons depot. On that day, an accident occurred in the production line for poison gas components, a facility that had been jointly built by Syrians and North Koreans. One of the pipes that supply the facility burst -- and, in a matter of seconds, the entire plant was in flames. The explosion was so massive that the doors were blown out of the building, causing gas to escape and spread throughout the entire complex. The blast reportedly killed 15 Syrians as well as 10 Iranian engineers who were said to be on the premises at the time.

Investigations conducted by a team appointed by Assad concluded that the incident must have been the result of an act of sabotage. An Israeli minister would later wryly describe the al-Safir explosion as a "wonderful accident."

Up until then, the Israelis thought they more or less knew the extent of Syria's efforts to produce chemical weapons. But, in February 2010, the red line was crossed for the first time when Israeli intelligence spotted a convoy of trucks that had left Safir and was headed across the border into Lebanon.

The Israelis assumed that the shipment consisted of Scud missile components and was on its way to Hezbollah. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was advised to launch airstrikes against the convoy. Although he decided against this, he had the information passed on to the Americans. On March 1, the Syrian ambassador in Washington was summoned to the US State Department, where it was made clear to him that, due to the real danger of war, the US expected Syria to refrain from arming Hezbollah.

If Hezbollah has already been stationing nonconventional weapons systems in neighboring Syria for quite some time now to protect them from Israeli attacks, then the world would in fact be well-advised to remain vigilant. Indeed, abandoning these weapons because the supply lines through Syria would probably be cut off would represent a great loss for the terror organization. The moment Assad has been toppled, Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards would likely decide to transport these weapons to Lebanon. This, in turn, would be a reason for Israel to go to war.

Safeguarding Chemical Weapons

Given these circumstances, it is not surprising that Israeli intelligence services are closely monitoring every movement around known Syrian chemical-weapons facilities, such as the one in al-Safir.

A few weeks ago, they noticed that the Syrian army had begun evacuating one of its chemical-weapons depots at a military airstrip near Homs. Empty trucks rolled into the storage facility and were loaded. It appeared as if the entire inventory was being transferred elsewhere. According to findings by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, VX and sarin were relocated during the transport.

Nevertheless, there are no signs that Assad intends to use the poison gas in the ongoing military conflict. Instead, there are many indications that the regime has been transferring these risky weapons into the eastern desert region. This supposition is also supported by the fact that the government has massively boosted security measures at all military installations, replaced some of the guard details and put regime-loyal Alawites in key positions.

The debate has been fueled, however, by reports that the Mossad sent to various partners weeks ago, including the German government. The Mossad warned that Hezbollah may already be in possession of some parts of the chemical arsenal, and it contends that Assad has dispatched initial deliveries to Lebanon by truck as a kind of life-insurance policy.

The news was a minor sensation in the world of intelligence services -- but it is most likely not true. Anyone who intends to use highly advanced poison gas needs specially trained experts and the requisite launching systems. Until now, there have been no signs that Hezbollah possesses these capabilities or of Scud launch ramps in Lebanon.

And, from a political viewpoint, the reasons not to engage in such a transfer of technology outweigh the expected benefits. Assad would be playing his strongest and perhaps last trump card; he would be arming Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, who has long since emancipated himself from the influence of Damascus -- without knowing whether Hezbollah would act in the dictator's interests. It's already become painfully apparent that the Shiite militia is keeping an amazingly low profile when it comes to Assad's struggle for survival. Whether, when and how Nasrallah would employ chemical weapons is incalculable -- even for Assad.

Crossing the Line into War

Meanwhile there are also intelligence reports circulating through Europe's capitals that maintain that the Syrians have already prepared some of their poison gas for deployment. According to these reports, individual chemical weapons have been made ready for combat so that they only need to be mounted on launching systems, such as a Scud missile or a special military transport aircraft. However, no one can say how credible or reliable these various intelligence reports are.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Prime Minister Netanyahu reaffirmed last week that it would be a casus belli if chemical weapons fell into the hands of Hezbollah. By saying that neither Israel nor the US could accept this, Netanyahu indirectly confirmed speculation that the US could give Israel a free hand to attack a Hezbollah convoy transporting chemical weapons from Syria to Lebanon.

"If we have information that Hezbollah or al-Qaida are about to put hands on non-conventional weapons, we will spare no effort in preventing this," adds Danny Yatom, a former chief of the Mossad. He adds that even airstrikes on a weapons depot could not be ruled out if Hezbollah was about to get its hands on poison gas.

This was confirmed last week by a high-ranking official from Jerusalem: "If the Syrians pull out their missiles, arm them with chemical warheads or leave them to Hezbollah, this would be seen as a reason to attack Syria -- even if it led to a war. A country has to maintain its red lines."
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Supreme leader Khomeini dies
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shyamd wrote:Supreme leader Khomeini dies
He referred to his meeting with Military chiefs on 27th as the "Last War Council".
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shyamd wrote:Supreme leader Khomeini dies
Err, Ruhollah Khomeini died in 1989. Iran's current supreme leader is Ali Khamenei.
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Yeah Ali Khamanei.... Now they are issuing denials. It came from an iranian diplomat in Vienna. So could be a tit for tat for recent rumours spread in the Iranian media
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Group Gets U.S. License to Fund Syria Rebels
By JEFFREY SPARSHOTT

WASHINGTON—The U.S. has given a Washington-based group clearance to provide direct financial assistance to the Free Syrian Army, a new bid by the Obama administration to support Syria's opposition.

The Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control approved a license last week allowing the Syrian Support Group "to engage in otherwise prohibited financial activities with the Free Syrian Army," Treasury spokesman John Sullivan said Tuesday.
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The license doesn't permit the group to ship military equipment or hardware, but it does authorize it to send financial aid. "The big one is financing. That for the most part is fairly open," said Brian Sayers, director of government relations for the support group.
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The Syrian Support Group was established earlier this year to lobby for U.S. backing for the Free Syrian Army. It includes Syrian expatriates and works with retired Syrian military officers, Louay Sakka, a Syrian-Canadian co-founder of the group, said in a June interview. Mr. Sayers, its director of government relations, is a former political officer at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

The license comes as rebel forces and government troops fought for the 11th straight day in Syria's largest city, Aleppo.

The Syrian army pushed on with its offensive to retake the northern city, renewing bombardments of rebel-held neighborhoods, the Associated Press reported. The battle for Syria's commercial hub with around 3 million inhabitants has now lasted longer than the rebel assault on the capital Damascus that regime troops crushed earlier in July, and cooking gas and food were in short supply, the AP reported. The U.N. has estimated that 200,000 people had left Aleppo.

The Syrian Support Group hopes to directly finance FSA's military councils. The councils could then use the money to fund things such as soldier salaries or buy weapons or medical supplies, Mr. Sayers said.

Funds would be raised and vetted by the group, which would in turn provide guidance to the military councils on their use, Mr. Sayers said. "Part of our job is to monitor this," he said.

The support group expects the bulk of the funds it sends overseas to come from the Syrian-American expatriate network in the U.S. The group didn't provide an estimate of how much money it hopes to raise.

The Treasury's foreign assets office issued a general license in September of 2011 authorizing U.S. and third-country organizations to export services that support humanitarian, democracy building, educational and noncommercial development projects in Syria. Groups seeking to provide assistance outside that general authorization need a specific license.

It is unclear whether other such licenses exist. The Treasury doesn't typically release information on specific licenses, Mr. Sullivan said in confirming the Syrian Support Group had received one.
More detail on the Kurdish scenario while the turks are exercising off the Kurdish borders...

Syrian Kurds united against Assad – an interview with an insider
Michael Weiss on new developments in Syria's Kurdish region
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Michael Weiss

The assassination last week of four key members of Bashar al-Assad’s “crisis management cell” eclipsed what may have been a more important victory in the war against his regime: the “liberation” of the Kurdish al-Hasekah region of Syria. A new compact has provisionally united all Syrian Kurdish groups against Assad. The Hawler Agreement, about which I blogged last week, has led to the formation of a Supreme Kurdish Council tasked with handling everything from security in Kurdish areas in Syria to foreign relations. Some analysts see in this Council the seeds of an aspiring autonomous or semi-autonomous Kurdish regional government in Syria, one that could theoretically stand in antagonism to whatever post-Assad state emerges.

The real achievement of this accord, however, is the reconciliation between the Kurdish National Council (KNC), an umbrella group representing Syria’s main Kurdish parties, and the Democratic Union (PYD), which is the Syrian arm of the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK). Turkey considers the PKK a terrorist organisation and is still very much at war with it. Moreover, the PYD was formerly seen to have allied withAssad’s military intelligence apparatus and suspicion is rife as to what its volte-face as a pro-revolutionary party represents.

Given Turkey’s military buildup at the Syrian border, and its hosting and indirect arming of the Free Syrian Army, how will this agreement affect Ankara’s future policy-making toward Syria? And how would the emergence of an autonomous Syrian Kurdistan, a counterpart to the Iraqi model, fit into a post-Assad state?

I contacted Dr Abdulhakim Bashar, the former chairman of the KNC who now heads its foreign affairs committee (he’s also the Secretary-General of the Kurdish Democratic Party of Syria). I asked him to explain what the Hawler Agreement really means. To read an earlier interview I conducted with Dr Bashar in January, click here.

To what extent is the Hawler Agreement an equal accord between the PYD and the KNC? Will both groups decide by consensus how to police the liberated Kurdish cities and towns of Syria, or does the PYD still run its own policies in some areas?

There is no equality in the agreement. In fact, it is in favor of PYD both in terms of the political dimension, as PYD is known for its connection with the Syrian authorities, and in terms of the proportion of representation. At the time of the formation of the KNC, the Kurdish parties refused to give any concessions to the PYD and in this agreement, PYD has obtained many privileges which we accepted because of our strong will to avoid any Kurdish-Kurdish conflict in Syria, and also in order to focus on the efforts to overthrow the regime. Although the agreement emphasises on the management of the Kurdish areas consensually, the PYD is still applying its own policies in all Kurdish areas through its People’s Protection Armed Forces.

How confident is the KNC that the PYD will be a partner given its previous alliance with the Assad regime and its attacks on, and threats against, KNC members?

The PYD has used the language of threats, intimidation and violence against the Kurdish activists and peaceful demonstrators. PYD’s ideology, their unwillingness to commit to joint work and their determination to lead the group which they work with suggests their non-acceptance of the KNC as a real partner, and despite that we will make every effort to implement the Erbil [Hawler] Agreement and fully comply with its articles of which the overthrow of the regime is one of its main points. This means that PYD must cut off all its previous relations with the Assad regime and prove it by deed.

President Barzani was the guiding force behind this agreement. In recent years, Turkey and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq have grown closer politically and more cooperative on security matters. Was Ankara aware of the Hawler Agreement before it was signed? Has it given any indications as to whether or not it will accept a semi-autonomous Kurdish region in Syria that is partly controlled by the PYD?

I do not think that Turkey was aware of this agreement. Turkey has a real desire to put all efforts in the service of bringing down the [Assad] dictatorship. At the same time, I think Turkey will never allow the PYD to control Syrian Kurdistan, not even partly, and that is why it opposes any attempt at a Kurdish semi-autonomous or a federal region. However, we in the KNC and the Kurdish Democratic Party will act in accordance to the interests of our people, taking in consideration the reality of the New Syria and our own self potential.

There have been several incidents of both Kurdish and PKK-affiliated flags being raised in villages close to the Turkish border, raising concerns in the Turkish press and among its military establishment. Can you describe what’s taking place? Is the KNC fearful that Turkey might intervene in Kurdish areas of Syria?

What happens is that the Syrian authorities have withdrawn from some of the administrative and civil services and handed their management over to the PYD members who in turn raised the flags of their party. In terms of liberation, no areas have been liberated in Syrian Kurdistan in any meaningful sense. Liberating any city would mean either partial liberation, or Kurdish control and the inability of the regime’s men to access it, or full liberation, the expulsion of all the security forces. None of this applies to what happened in Syrian Kurdistan. Members of the security forces constantly visit all the constituencies announced as liberated. In fact, we are very concerned about that because PYD’s armed control might lead to bad consequences, one of which is Turkish invasion of Syrian Kurdistan.

What kind of engagement has the KNC had with the Syrian National Council in recent weeks? The SNC president is himself a Kurd. Has this changed the KNC’s prior view of the SNC as a Muslim Brotherhood-dominated vehicle for Arab Islamism?

Our relation with the Syrian National Council is good. Despite the main role of the Muslim Brotherhood in the SNC, our communications with the various Syrian opposition factions have so far proved that the SNC is the most responsive frame and closest to our vision about the future of Syria and the strategy of solution for the Kurdish issue in spite of the other differences between us in many national issues. I think the SNC is now working more realistically and with more responsibility than before, this could be because its new president is more familiar with the Syrian issues or perhaps the practical experiment of the SNC have given it more experience on various issues.
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Moment of truth...hinge of fate....blah,blah?!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lance.html

Syria dispatch: battle for Aleppo hangs in the balance
The rattle of machineguns echoed incessantly as Syrian rebels, wearing combat vests stuffed with ammunition, attacked a football stadium held by President Bashar al-Assad's forces in Aleppo.
By Damien McElroy, Aleppo 01 Aug 2012

An explosion signalled the destruction of a tank, triggering jubilant cries of "Allahu Akhbar (God is Great)" from the insurgents.
But their celebration was shortlived: the soldiers launched a counter-attack, trying to break through rebel lines. The thin cluster of gunmen approaching the stadium, where perhaps 80 of the regime's tanks are deployed, had to fight hard to avoid being outflanked.
Mr Assad yesterday described the struggle for Aleppo as one that "will determine the destiny of our people and the nation's past, present and future".
In his first public words since July 18, when a bomb killed four key members of his security establishment in Damascus, Mr Assad praised the army as the "shield, wall and fortress of our nation".
But his annual address on Army Day came in the form of a written statement; unusually he did not deliver a speech or appear on television.
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Just how high the stakes are in Aleppo was shown by the deployment of jet fighters to carry out air strikes for the first time. The United Nations confirmed that its observers had seen the Syrian air force in action in the city on Tuesday. The monitors also reported that rebels were using tanks and other heavy weapons in the battle for control of Syria's commercial capital, the home of 2.5 million people.
The outcome of this confrontation is hanging in the balance. Moving between rebel positions in a white van that had, in happier times, been a tourist bus, we encountered the destruction caused by a tank shell.
In the smoke and dust, people were trying to retrieve the contents of a devastated row of shops. At that moment, a second tank round slammed into a block of flats 50 yards away. The shock waves from the blast sucked air from our lungs as a cloud of black smoke enveloped the target.
Mr Assad's Russian-equipped army, using the tools developed for war on the plains of Europe, is focusing its attack on the Salahaddin area, a middle-class residential district next to the stadium. This was the third day of fighting in the street leading to what was once Aleppo's showcase football venue.
On the rebel side, the pace is frantic. One of their hardest tasks is to retrieve injured men who have crept forward for a better shot at government troops. "It's very difficult to get the injured – we have to go round the block and come from another way, where no one is in control," said Abdullah Yassin, a Free Syrian Army (FSA) fighter. One team left on a rescue mission, covered by a barrage of fire from a heavy machinegun. They returned later, but without their wounded comrades.
Close-quarter combat in these streets is a crucial test for the FSA. Although Salahaddin is friendly territory, the rebels have only a tenuous grip on other districts, such as Fardos and Marjeh, leading to the guerrilla supply lines in north-eastern Aleppo.
Getting to Salahaddin means driving down backstreets where the stench of uncollected rotting garbage fills the senses.
Much of central Aleppo is a no-man's land, with the outcome of the battle still unpredictable. Even in areas that the rebels claim to have conquered, pro-regime militias pose a pervasive threat.
At Marjah Medical Clinic, however, insurgent fighters were jubilant. Abu Hamid placed his foot on the head of a bust of Hafez al-Assad, the Syrian leader from 1970 until 2000, and founder of the ruling dynasty. Someone had written "I'm sorry I'm a donkey" in marker pen on the bust.
"I am happy to rest my feet on Hafez al-Assad's head," said Abu Hamid. "He has caused me much pain and I am happy to get something back."
Hundreds have been injured during the battle for Aleppo. The lightly wounded are treated in the city, the more seriously injured are smuggled out to Turkey. Munsel Yarud, 28, who had been drafted into the fight from his native city of Hama, which was also besieged after rising up against Mr Assad, said his stomach wound had not put him off the struggle. "It may be months until I recover, but I will go back and fight until we bring this dictator down," he said.
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Source: Iran readies attacks against Saudi Arabia, Qatar
Iran is preparing for a direct attack on Saudi Arabia should Syria’s Bashar Assad be in danger of falling to rebel forces that the Islamic regime believes are being supported by the Arab kingdom, according to a source within Iran’s Revolutionary Guards. Iran also blames the Saudis for unrest in two of its provinces.

“Dozens of Iranian ballistic missiles have been preprogrammed to hit Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia,” the source said. “Qatar will also be hit at the same time as it is directly involved with the events in Syria.”

Iranian officials have increased their verbal attacks recently on Saudi Arabia, seeing the monarchy as behind the unraveling in Syria and the suppression of the Shiite uprising in Bahrain.

“A change of regime in Syria is but a delusion,” said Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi in a meeting on Sunday with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al Moallem. Salehi said Iran will fully support the Syrian regime, according to the Keyhan newspaper, which is directly under the supervision of the Iranian supreme leader.

Salehi claimed the Syrian civil war and the push for regime change are being spearheaded by Israel. “It’s surprising that the regional regimes [referring to Saudi Arabia and Qatar] have taken the same position as the Zionist regime,” Salehi said.

According to the source, the proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia is heating up and the Guards’ intelligence unit has arrested several people in the Iranian provinces of Khuzestan and Azerbaijan. Under interrogation, the suspects admitted to plans for armed rebellion from those two regions to create conditions similar to those in Syria, the source said.

Khuzestan Province, home to a large Arab-Iranian population and a major oil-producing region, has been a hotbed of Arab separatism, which the central government has suppressed.

Days ago, Iranian Gen. Masoud Jazayeri, deputy chief of staff of the Revolutionary Guards, warned Arab countries against arming and funding Syrian revolutionaries. “Syria’s allies will not allow Bashar al-Assad’s regime to be toppled and will deal fatal blows to the enemies of Damascus,” Jazayeri warned.

Days after the bombing in Damascus that killed Assad’s top military officials, including the defense minister, Fars News Agency reported that a bomb exploded in Saudi intelligence headquarters in Riyadh, killing the deputy intelligence chief. Saudi Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, who was recently appointed to head Saudi intelligence, was rumored to also have been killed in the attack. Saudi officials have so far refused to comment.

Iran, through the Revolutionary Guards’ Unit 110 and Unit Madinah, has infiltrated agents into the Persian Gulf countries to support uprisings and at times to use terrorism to overthrow the monarch in Bahrain, control events in Yemen and increase uncertainty in Saudi Arabia.

The Guards on Saturday also revealed the existence of another special ground forces unit — Saberin — that they say is capable of dealing a heavy blow to the enemy.

According to Jahan News, an Iranian media outlet, the commander of the Saberin unit and the deputy commander of the Guards ground forces bragged that his forces not only can match any world power’s special forces but be victorious, because his unit is the most faithful and is composed of expert snipers and scuba divers who have other skills as well.

In addition to the Persian Gulf states, Iran is also preparing for possible attacks against the U.S. As revealed last July, Iranian commanders, in expanding their range of attack on U.S. targets, have armed all naval vessels with ballistic missiles and have prepared those vessels to navigate into the Atlantic Ocean.

“The navy has carried out successful activities [to expand] its presence in open seas, and we will witness the presence of the navy in the Atlantic Ocean in the near future,” Rear Adm. Habibollah Sayyari said then. “As the global arrogance [forces of imperialism] have a [military] presence near our sea borders, we also plan to have a strong presence near the U.S. sea borders.”

Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for a former CIA operative in Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and the author of the award-winning book, A Time to Betray. He is a senior Fellow with EMPact America, a member of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and teaches at the U.S. Department of Defense’s Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy (JCITA).
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Syrian Rebels Reportedly Get Anti-aircraft SAMs
Rebels fighting to depose Syrian President Bashar al Assad have for the first time acquired a small supply of surface-to-air missiles, according to a news report that a Western official did not dispute.

NBC News reported Tuesday night that the rebel Free Syrian Army had obtained nearly two dozen of the weapons, which were delivered to them via neighboring Turkey, whose moderate Islamist government has been demanding Assad’s departure with increasing vehemence.

Indications are that the U.S. government, which has said it opposes arming the rebels, is not responsible for the delivery of the missiles.

But some U.S. government sources have been saying for weeks that Arab governments seeking to oust Assad, including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, have been pressing for such missiles, also known as “Manpads,” for man-portable air-defense systems, to be supplied to the rebels.
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Sushupti wrote:Pro-Assad websites claim Syria has killed Saudi intelligence chief, to avenge Damascus bombing

http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-assad- ... s-bombing/

Nightwatch commentary 1 Aug 2012 on same subject:
Saudi Arabia: Special Comment: During this Watch, Saudi Arabian officials have not confirmed nor denied rumors that Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan has died from wounds sustained in a 22 July bombing of the General Intelligence Headquarters in Riyadh. The US also has had no comment on this issue, which has received little treatment in mainstream American media.

Bandar was appointed President of the General Intelligence Presidency on 19 July, the day after the bombing in Damascus that killed the Minister of Defense and President al Asad's brother-in-law, among other senior officials.

What has been confirmed by official sources is that unidentified terrorists executed a bombing at the Saudi intelligence headquarters on the 22nd and killed the deputy chief of intelligence. No reports at the time or since indicated Bandar was mortally wounded.

Many blogs and a few news services reported that Bandar has made no public appearances nor has been listed as an attendee at an official function since the 22 July attack. Multiple, complex searches of the Internet found no information about public appearances by Bandar.

Bandar has kept a low profile and it is the fasting month of Ramadan, which could explain his absence from public reporting. More importantly, the Saudis easily could put to rest the rumors of Bandar's death. They have not. Nor has the White House refuted the reports, as it easily could do, were Bandar still alive.

Scenarios

If he died from an assassination attempt on the 22d, the most obvious and likely culprits are Syria and Iran. The case against Syria is that the attack on the 22d is in retaliation for the 18 July attack in Damascus.

This is not likely because it exceeds Syrian capabilities. For more than a year Syria intelligence has been preoccupied by internal threats. The time required to mount an external operation is long and depends on inside knowledge of the movements and schedules of the targets. These are beyond Syria's present and recent capabilities.

The Iranians are also obvious beneficiaries from the death of a superstar in a rather ordinary Saudi monarchy. The Iranians have the skills but have not demonstrated the capabilities or intentions to execute such an operation against the Saudis. Assassination of Bandar would be an act of war that risked a general conflict.

The ayatollahs have shown no disposition to internationalize the Syrian conflict, especially while US aircraft carrier task groups are in the region. Despite their bombastic public statements, Supreme Leader Khamenei and President Ahmadi-Nejad are not risk takers when US aircraft carriers are nearby.

A more plausible scenario, derived from the Riyadh bombing of 2003 and other past bombings, is that an internal dissident group, possibly working with Iran or Syria, executed the 22 July attack. {ALQ? Ghost of OBL?}The timing relative to the 18 July attack creates the perception of cause and effect, but that is almost certainly serendipity. This scenario would constitute another disaster for Saudi security.

Riyadh has experienced a number of bombings in the last ten years. All have been attributed to al Qaida, internal dissidents or Hezbollah operatives. Any or all could be agents of Iran, but any action against the Saudi monarchy serves Iran's interests, no matter who sponsors the attack.

For now the 18 July attack in Damascus and the 22 July attack in Riyadh that reportedly resulted in Bandar's death appear to be symmetrical, evening the score. The perception is the reality and that should keep the situation from escalating to general war, assuming Bandar is dead.

If Bandar is alive, all of this reporting has been a false alarm. If he has been killed, then no one is safe in Saudi Arabia. More later.
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