The 2012 Olympics Thread

sum · Post by **sum** » 31 Jul 2012 19:05

^^ God dammit...the day am stuck in office, our boxer thrashes his opponent and the day i rush home to watch ( yesterday), referees gift away the win to a opponent!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jul 2012 19:11

takeaway - Dharma is respected only when backed up some physical force.

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 Jul 2012 19:28

Rahul Banerjee moves to Round of 32 in Men's Singles Archery scoring very high points.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 Jul 2012 19:37

Singha wrote:takeaway - Dharma is respected only when backed up some physical force.

+786

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 31 Jul 2012 20:20

Singha wrote:
takeaway - Dharma is respected only when backed up some physical force.

That's what Rama in Ramayana and Krishna in Mahabharta(Bhagwat Gita) taught and was reinforced by Guru Gobind Singh.

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 Jul 2012 20:24

Rahul Banerjee eliminated out of Men's Archery Individual.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 31 Jul 2012 20:34

^^ Could have won against the Polish... Indians have to be more consistent. They shoot 10 and then shoot a wayward 7. whereas most top archers shoot 10,9 and the occasional 8

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 Jul 2012 20:56

Tarundeep Rai barely scrapes through to the Round of 32 in Men's individual Archery.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 31 Jul 2012 20:56

Tarundeep Rai came back from the brink to qualify into 1/16

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jul 2012 21:06

the archers need to do more adverse condition training and have a good psychologist to prep them for big events

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 Jul 2012 21:15

63rd ranked Fiji archer almost gave a heartache to 2nd ranked Korean archer Kim. Interesting contest.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 31 Jul 2012 21:20

ArmenT: Thanks. Could you quote the source of the additional details ? The original Guardian article, which I paraphrased, is confusing:
link

The 25-year-old thought she was through to the final of the women's épée when, to her horror and that of her coach, Shim Jaesung, the clock was reset from zero to one second.

Is the 'clock reset from 0 to 1 second' just VDM ?

I certainly remember the Roy Jones episode, and that the Koreans aren't even close to being examples of propriety. There were more episodes at Seoul Asian Games 1986, when they and the Chinese were locked in the gold medal race (Chinese won 94-93). Remember Shiny Abraham's DQ in the 800m ? The Koreans protested then, and it was won by a Korean. Had she not been DQed she's have easily locked that gold.

Our athletes need better mental conditioning to go from dominating CWG level to competing successfully at AG and OG standard. Besides the archers, our 25m womens pistol shooters flirted with final qualification but failed. They've achieved the final qual scores elsewhere before, so it's not like they're not good enough.

That's not to indict them blindly. We clearly *have* improved significantly in 10 years - we barely made CWG standard until the 2002 CWG. Now we're a solid top 4 country in those games, and even finished 2nd last time. We should have either #2 (behind Aus) or #3 (behind Aus/Eng) slot in future CWGs locked up for good now. If we can win around 25 golds in the Asian Games 2014, focussed on a few sports, it's a good sign we'll medal in them at Olympics, because many AG disciplines have OG level competition.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 31 Jul 2012 21:22

That will only come when you start taking part in lots of international event...practice alone wont make you mentally tough

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 31 Jul 2012 21:27

I question the value of just international event exposure. The archers participate in CWG, AG, World Cup and World Championship circuit. What more do they need ?

How do the NoKos do it then ? They barely attend any international events, but train them like pack mules for OG/AG. How about the Chini women's archery team, constituted of new players after failing to win gold in Beijing, and again going all the way to silver this time, despite barely showing up on the international circuit ?

Our archery team spoke of 'windy conditions'. I don't understand why a top 5 ranked team are talking of windy conditions. They did not train in the basement. They're not just as well trained and not put under pressure in different ways during training. As with several other disciplines, we have teams that are very competitive at CWG standard, and even the standard World Cup rounds, but not 'hard' enough to handle the rigors of AG/OG.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jul 2012 21:51

a lot of countries send their teams for training abroad in high or other different conditions. i think some indians are also spending time abroad to train in high quality institutions. you also need good science, medicine and dietary back up tuned to the individual athlete. and i wasn't joking about the psychologist - increasingly important where contests are so close

now that mittal and others are funding the team these should be more possible

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 31 Jul 2012 21:54

I'm noticing Lot of Indian athletes are panicking in decisive moments. You can easily notice this in archery. They take the lead and then let it go

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 31 Jul 2012 22:00

tarundeep exits

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jul 2012 22:05

its not just lots of practice in same conditions but deliberate practice in simulated tough situations and conditions that holds true. like how do you repair a damaged weapon in a X min window....army/SF do it all the time . OG champions definitely train in tougher conditions than what is expected in the OG itself .... thats why people train at high alt, including fast hill climbs and intervals for flat events like the london or rotterdam marathons....all a part of being 20% tougher and battle ready than is needed.

JEE studs wont just do the same type of problems, they will seek out and solve all the oddball cases too.

Uttam · Post by **Uttam** » 31 Jul 2012 22:17

BHUPATHI M / BOPANNA R (IND) lost first set 6/3

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 31 Jul 2012 22:19

Paes/Mirza have a tough mixed doubles draw. They play Ivanovic/Zimonjic in the pre-Qs and then potentially the top seeds Azarenka/Mirnyi in the quarters.

http://www.london2012.com/tennis/event/ ... index.html

Her grand slam mixed doubles wins have been with Bhupathi, including the French Open win this year. Remains to be seen how well she'll work with Paes in this setting. The plus is that they're both grass court raised players, esp Paes. Their Euro opponents are clay/hardcourt raised. It might be an advantage to us, since they're playing at Wimbledon.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 31 Jul 2012 22:26

whatever happens, anything less than 3-4 medals (don't care about colour atm) would be a failure for us.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 31 Jul 2012 22:27

Bhupathi/Bopanna broke the French team's serve to lead 2-0 in second set.

Uttam · Post by **Uttam** » 31 Jul 2012 22:30

Suraj wrote:Bhupathi/Bopanna broke the French team's serve to lead 2-0 in second set.

3-0 now.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 31 Jul 2012 22:43

Paes and Vardhan’s match is yet to begin as the third set of Tsonga-Raonic, now at 19-18, is the longest set of men’s tennis, singles or doubles, in Olympic history. Tsonga and Lllodra are Paes-Vardhan’s opponents in the next round.

from firstpost.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 31 Jul 2012 22:47

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 31 Jul 2012 22:56

Bhupathi/Bopanna eliminated

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 31 Jul 2012 22:58

bhupathi-bopanna exits

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 31 Jul 2012 23:00

So much for all that partnering drama.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 31 Jul 2012 23:09

Gutta/Ponnappa take the first set 21-16

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 31 Jul 2012 23:14

Tsonga match just got over .Final set was 3 hrs 25-23 Not sure if Vardhan/Paes match will happen today or if it will get postponed

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 31 Jul 2012 23:24

Too bad to see Bhupathi-Bopanna lose. They'd have won respect for their 'we are a team onlee' hubris if they could back that up with performance. I hope fortune favors Paes now.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 31 Jul 2012 23:27

Gutta/Ponnappa ~~through to the next round.~~ win.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 31 Jul 2012 23:27

Jwala/Ashwini win..

They may not make it to next round there is a -1 point difference between them and the japs

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 31 Jul 2012 23:29

it hurts me to have to say this when an Indian team loses but karma is a she dog.

bhupathi and bopanna just ended up looking like fools.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 31 Jul 2012 23:36

It looks like we have the worst luck at this level.

Jwala/Ashwini are out because the Japanese #5 team lost to the much lower Taiwanese in straight sets, so all three teams have a 2-1 match win/loss record. Further, while the Taiwanese topped the group, both us and the Japanese have a 4-3 games won/lost record (The Taiwanese have a 5-3 record). However, the Japanese have a +4 points won record, while we have a +3 record. Had Jwala/Ashwini conceded two fewer points (they won 21-16, 21-15) they would have been through.

The Japanese losing so easily is inexplicable. Gutta/Ponnappa did well to beat the Taiwanese, who at #10 are much higher ranked than them (#20). Too bad it came down to a measly 2 *points* - they could have dethroned the #5 Japanese from qualifying to the next stage had they scored 2 more points or lost 2 fewer ones, in any of their 3 matches. Even the Singaporeans at the bottom aren't pushovers - they're world #13 . In effect our #20 team beat the #10 and #13 teams and would have qualified over the #5 team but for TWO POINTS.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 31 Jul 2012 23:40

Paes/Vardhan matched postponed looks like

Manoj Kumar at 1:45 PST or 2:15 am IST

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 31 Jul 2012 23:46

wiki lists manoj kumars bout at 2:15 IST on 1st aug. that's Indian standard time ?

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 31 Jul 2012 23:50

Rahul M wrote:wiki lists manoj kumars bout at 2:15 IST on 1st aug. that's Indian standard time ?

Yes thats in a few hours

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 01 Aug 2012 00:00

How are the Bouts decided ? Looks like Mary Kom has gotten a tough draw.

Also strange is the weight category included in Female Boxing Olympics. Most of the people dominant in these weight categories are non Asians

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 01 Aug 2012 00:22

Kashyap is drawn to face Sri Lankan upset winner Karunaratne, who beat the world #8 and seeded Japanese in his sole group match. Kashyap should get through, but will probably face #2 Lee Chong Wei in the quarters. Lee has been scratchy and carrying an injury.