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Suraj wrote:It looks like we have the worst luck at this level.

Jwala/Ashwini are out because the Japanese #5 team lost to the much lower Taiwanese in straight sets, so all three teams have a 2-1 match win/loss record. Further, while the Taiwanese topped the group, both us and the Japanese have a 4-3 games won/lost record (The Taiwanese have a 5-3 record). However, the Japanese have a +4 points won record, while we have a +3 record. Had Jwala/Ashwini conceded two fewer points (they won 21-16, 21-15) they would have been through.
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Wait. TOI reporting they made it to QFs :-?
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partha wrote: Wait. TOI reporting they made it to QFs :-?
Its TOI for christ sakes. They are out of the event
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World #4 Saina Nehwal's potential path in women's singles:
R16: Probably faces Yao Jie of Netherlands (world #14)
QF: Faces Tine Baun (#5, Denmark) or Sayaka Sato (#28, Japan)

If she gets to semis, her likely opponent is #1 Yihan Wang.
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Manoj in the rings against Turkmenistan. 2-2 after 1st round.
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bout starts. both are very quick.

lots of brawling. 2-2 after round 1.
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7-3 for Manoj in round 2.
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9-5 Manoj winning.
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4-2 to Manoj in round 3.

Wins match 13-7
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Manoj wins 13-7
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yay.
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And Manoj Kumar comfortably wins his bout 13-7.
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His next bout is with Thomas Stalker - the World No. 1 ranked boxer in the 64 Kg category.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Stalker
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Prasant wrote:His next bout is with Thomas Stalker - the World No. 1 ranked boxer in the 64 Kg category.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Stalker
Thomas Stalker beat Jai Bhagwan in CommonWealth semis. So i hope we have some insight into his style.
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There seems to be some matchfixing in Women's Badminton Doubles. Not sure if something will come of it. But some are pissed.

Gail Emms is tweeting about it
https://twitter.com/gailemms

Nothing happened and the draw is announced
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Not just on twitter; Reuters has picked it up:
Match fixing causes badminton chaos
The London Olympics badminton tournament was thrown into chaos on Tuesday after opposing teams in two separate women's doubles matches both appeared determined to lose their final preliminary group matches, prompting organizers to launch a probe.

Spectators at Wembley Arena jeered China's world champion doubles pair Yu Yang and Wang Xiaoli, and South Korean duo Jung Kyung-eun and Kim Ha-na as all four players took turns at missing routine shots to concede points in the match, prompting disquiet from the crowd at Wembley Arena.

A technical delegate told Reuters tournament organizers had formed a review panel to investigate the match and held out the threat of serious sanctions.

Moments after the review was confirmed, the match between South Korea's Ha Jung-eun and Kim Min-jing and Indonesian pair Greysia Polii and Meiliana Jauhari also descended into farce as the teams played out the same scenario.

A tournament referee came onto the court and appeared to disqualify both pairs of opponents in the second match, but the team's coaches implored to be allowed another chance.

"The Chinese started this. They did it first," an ashen-faced Sung told reporters through an interpreter. "It's a complicated thing with the draws. They didn't want to meet each other in the semi-final."

Sung said after the Chinese set the precedent, the South Korean pair in the second match deliberately emulated the Chinese tactic because they did not want to face their team mates in the quarter-finals.

"Because they don't want to play the semi-final against each other, so we did the same. We didn't want to play the South Korean team again," he said.

China's Yu claimed she and her partner were just trying to conserve their strength for the knockout rounds.

"Actually these opponents really were strong. This is the first time we've played them and tomorrow it's the knockout rounds, so we've already qualified and we wanted to have more energy for the knockout rounds," she told Reuters.

"Really, it's not necessary to go out hard again when the knockout rounds are tomorrow."

Her South Korean opponents declined to comment.
I hope they disqualify one or more teams and put our girls in there. What a bunch of useless jokers. These Chinese and Koreans don't deserve a medal.
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They have to disqualify all 4 teams representing (China, S korea and Indonesia) otherwise we should not only protest by threatening to quit but raise a very strong voice to ban these countries for 5+ years from international badminton events.
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^^ Even if they do disqualify which i don't see happening now, It will be the teams from those groups that will make it to the next round ...The Japanese loss to the Chinese Taipei in Jwala/Aparna's group also did seem a little strange.
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Throwing matches in any field is serious offence and the Chinese have already admitted to it. Even attempting to throw matches is equally serious and they must all be disqualified. I dont think it will happen.
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The schedule was announced a few mins ago. So no disqualification.

The INA/Korean teams were initially disqualified during the game. But they were reinstated later
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Story is picking up steam on the newswires:
Fans jeer errors in doubles match
Constant errors, including players serving into the net, featured in the match which the Chinese top seeds lost.

Both pairs were already through to the quarter-finals with the winners to face China's Tian Quing and Zhao Yunlei.

The South Korean pair did not comment, but Yu said she and Wang were saving energy for the knockout stages.

The longest rally in the first game lasted four shots, with match referee Thorsten Berg coming on to court at one point to warn the players.

The two Chinese pairings can now only meet in the final.

Yu said: "These opponents really were strong. This is the first time we've played them and Wednesday it's the knockout rounds, so we've already qualified and we wanted to have more energy for the knockout rounds.

But South Korean head coach Sung Han-Kook said: "It's not like the Olympics spirit to play like this. How could the number one pair in the world play like this?"

A later match between South Korean third seeds Ha Jung-Eun and Kim Min-Jung and Indonesian pair Meiliana Juahari and Greysia Polii was played out in a similar atmosphere.

Referee Berg returned to court and brandished the black card, signalling disqualification, but it was rescinded and the match resumed when the Indonesians protested.

Both pairs had also already qualified for the knockout stages, with the winner of Group C to play Yu and Wang and the Korean pairs to face each other if Ha and Kim lost.

Badminton tournament marred by teams trying to purposefully lose a match
Badminton chiefs are likely to change their Olympic format after embarrassing scenes on Tuesday saw two women's doubles pairs appear to deliberately throw a match.

Angry fans at Wembley Arena booed and jeered once it became clear that No.1 seed Wang Xiaoli and Yu Yang of China and Jung Kyung-eun and Kim Ha-na of South Korea were trying to purposefully lose their contest in the final round of the group stage in order to obtain an easier draw in the next round.

If the Olympics are supposed to be about the pursuit of excellence and honesty, this was anything but. Both sets of players, especially the Chinese, looked to be making no attempt whatsoever. Serves were skewed wide on purpose. Shots were allowed to drop to the floor with little effort to retrieve them.

The best team in the world performed worse than a pair of rank amateurs and cast shame on their sport in the process. Tennis legend John McEnroe, working as an analyst for the BBC, was utterly incredulous.

"They need to change this now," McEnroe said. "People who are watching the badminton right now will be turning off in droves and losing even more interest."

Badminton officials had already come under fire for adopting a group system for this event instead of single elimination as in previous Games. Given Tuesday's saga, it is unthinkable that group play will be retained.

The sorry situation came about because both pairs had already qualified for the quarterfinal after winning their first two group games, and because the second-ranked Chinese of pairing Tian Qing and Zhao Yunlei had already been upset by a team from Denmark. That meant that the winner of the China vs. South Korea match would earn the dubious honor of facing Tian and Zhao, offering the genuine advantage of an easier draw for losing on purpose.

At one point in the first set there was the ludicrous sight of three straight fault serves being committed, unthinkable for teams of this caliber. A match referee took the step of striding furiously onto the court and issuing a formal warning to both teams.

From that point on an improved effort seemed to have been made, although the South Koreans went on to win 21-14, 21-11.

As the players slapped hands – just as half-heartedly as their efforts on the court – the jeers from an unsatisfied crowd rained down on them and continued as all four players walked off the court. The Chinese pair tried to explain that their lackluster performance was because they were trying to save energy. No one was buying it.

"The Chinese had already started this," said Korean coach Sung Han-kook. "They did it first. It is a complicated thing with the draws. They didn't want to meet each other in the semifinal. The [Badminton World Federation] should do something about it."

Later in the session, a second Korean team, Ha Jung-eun and Kim Min-jung, also appeared to be trying to throw a game against Indonesian opposition but following a warning of expulsion from the referee began to concentrate properly and clinched a three-set victory.

Table tennis abandoned its group format after the Sydney Olympics in 2000 and now uses the single-elimination method. The same can be expected from badminton by the time the 2016 Games roll around in Rio.

A badminton magazine recently revealed that of the 99 matches that Chinese players or pairs were due to play against each other in international tournaments in 2011, 20 were walkovers.
While these higher ranked fools trample all over the Olympic spirit and still get to vie for gold, our giant-killing team misses out by the narrowest of margins. The reason the #5 Japanese in Jwala/Ashwini's group lost is that they now get to play the #6 Danish team instead of the more powerful #2 Chinese team, whom the Taiwanese face.
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^^ Its a shame that the Japanese loss doesn't get any mention as dubious as it was
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TOI had some material on gene doping today. it seems even stuff like say gene therapy for a health problem can be modified to deliver some gene that will stimulate particular type of muscle or organ growth. it claimed a german doctor and a chinese lab were trying to market this to competitors a few years ago...
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^^ Seeing a few of the TT matches yesterday, esp those having Chinese and Korean players, its a miracle that other country players dont have dhoti-browning moments just watching these Chinese play.

I cant imagine any one challenging the Chinese in TT for a long, long time.
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^^^ Check the serve by this Chinese player. He is their best player and was dumped from the Singles team to focus on double

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:eek: :eek:
*shivering in a dark corner*
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that particular serve is not really very difficult. I could do it when I played TT. :P
admittedly not with the regularity with which ma lin did but I think our national players would all be able to do it comfortably.

ma lin used to be my fav player back in the day.
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looking at the bare body and number of balls, they literally push themselves for hours and hours to perfect tactics....

no wonder they do well in tournament play like OG.
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i hope the crowd continue to jeer the cheating teams in badminton (and every other sport)
meanwhile, i hear from people going to the beach volleyball, that the crowd are all in high spirits and partying it up during the matches - which is all good, however most people don't realise how physically demanding beach volleyball really is

looks like taller birathers have a history of fixing in badminton

Honest i tried really hard...
Petya Nedelcheva, the Bulgarian women's singles 15th seed, who was playing on an adjacent court at the time of the first incident, was forthright in her general criticism of China. "China control everything," she said. "I don't know who controlled the match to lose but if it is China again, they did it so many times last year, they didn't play against each other in 20 matches. They do what they want."

Nedelcheva's comments are supported by figures compiled by online magazine Badzine earlier this year showing that of the 99 all-Chinese matches played in major tournaments in 2011, 20 were walkovers.
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Was watching Gymnastics yesterday. Don't Chinese girls look too young for the competitions despite the fact that this game is for teenagers only. They were like tweeners. Russian team had Gold in their grasp but they chose to fumble twice on floor routine and had to satisfy with Silver.
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http://www.firstpost.com/sports/olympic ... 99803.html

Mary Kom forced to train without her usual coach....
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Kashyap makes it into quarter finals
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krishnan wrote:Kashyap makes it into quarter finals
SriLankan did gave him a scare in second set with his powerful smashes.

I think one thing where Kashyap lacks is his smashes, they aren't powerful yet. May be because of his breathing problems due to Asthma.
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IOC considering disqualifying chinese and soko teams from badminton event
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India shooter Annu Raj has begun her Olympics campaign in the 25m pistol qualifiers in a disappointing fashion.

In the first stage she is down to 20th position with 96 points and shooting just 4 inner 10s.

Rahi Sarnobat, meanwhile, has been pushed to the 10th.
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Archer Deepika is out of Olympics: India's best medal prospect crashes out of Olympics!
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a mediocre show from deepika - 26/30 in all 4 rounds.
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^^ Think the pressue really got to all the archers.

Hope they are able to conquer the same by next Olympics. Have to admire the Chinese for just walking out and sweeping everything away since whatever training one does, its the mental strength on the big stage which matters and Chinese seem to have abundance of that
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Or its what lies if they fail which scares them and makes them do it
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^^ Well, then the pressue should be more and usually, person should just fall apart at the big stage.

But even that isnt happening!!
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