Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 Aug 2012 23:31

Surprisingly good article about how and why Pakis opened their NATO routes.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... h-we-trust

And while he didn’t get us the kind of ‘apology’ from President Obama that the Afghans got earlier, or cut a deal to halt drone strikes forever, or manage to get even a penny in transit fees, Shaikh did what he was put there to do: get the Americans their route back and the army its money.

A big chunk of coalition support funds are expected to be transferred into a New York account as this goes to print. The US has also assured Pakistan that it will compensate the country in other ways for not paying transit fees, for instance, through assistance for social sector development or under the head of ‘reconstruction’ – and we’re talking about a good $600 million or more.

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 Aug 2012 00:07

So Pakis used the dead soldiers for negotiating the price. H&D can take a hike.

kish · Post by **kish** » 02 Aug 2012 00:15

Will-US-Pakistani-ties-last

And of course if they make a deal on that score we should expect an agreement of improving military relations and there is every chance for Pakistan to receive armaments and equipment of the departing American troops, and not only American, which would be useful for Pakistani Army.

ISI chief is in America for negotiations on Troops withdrawal, Drone attacks.

Pakis likely to get used American/NATO military equipment, of-course for free. Uniformed jihadis would keep relatively new equipment for themselves and would "gift" the rest to good/bad taliban. IMHO, can expect a repeat of Kargil around 2015, after US/NATO withdrawal.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2012 01:07

LaWhore Blasts
AoA.

Security on high alert after at least 20 injured in Lahore blasts

Two separate remote-controlled blasts on Wednesday injured at least 20 people in Badami Bagh Fruit Mandi of Lahore. Security of the Punjab’s capital set on high alert

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2012 01:43

Bangladeshi man missing for 23 years returns home

...from a Pakistani jail

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 02 Aug 2012 02:50

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... rsion.html

The conversion spectacle:

It remains unclear whether or not the conversion was a voluntary act, although it does not require a stretch of imagination to believe it could very well have been a forced conversion that has become increasingly common in Pakistan. Nonetheless, the spectacle, part of the television channel's special Ramzan package, was typically scripted so as to extract the maximum advantage in terms of TRP ratings — ethics, common sense and a basic respect for religious minorities be damned. Unfortunately, this is not uncommon for the privately-run Pakistani electronic media which thrives on controversy. Its anchors are notorious for engaging in everything from histrionics to hyperbole, all for grabbing eyeballs.

So this is the Indian reaction to this tamasha complete with the revivalist fervor of Muslims. That it is a matter of television ratings.

No sirs, this is the vestige of barbarism that Hindus left behind several millenia ago. A violation of human rights that is one of the few still permitted by the 'civilised' world.

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 02 Aug 2012 06:09

Re change in Jinnah after 1920

One cause of change in Jinnah was probably British government's allocation of Central Legislative Assembly
seats in the 1919 Montford reforms for India.

In 1909 Muslims were allotted 5 of 27 elected seats, according to Ambedkar's book. (Wolpert says 8 of 28 nonofficial seats).

In 1919 Muslims were alloted 52 of 104 elected seats, ie 50%.

So Muslim politicians went from being a minority of the elected Indians in the Central Assembly to equal in number
to the other Indians elected.

From Ambedkar's Pakistan or the Partition of India:

Central Assembly seats

1909
Nominated + exofficio = 41
Elected General = 22
Elected Muslims = 5 (Wolpert quotes this number as being 8 of 28 non-official)
Total = 68

1919
Elected General = 52
Elected Muslims = 52
Nominated members = 41
Total 145

Percentage of Muslims to total population was approx 24%
The proportion of seats to total granted to elected Muslims in 1919 was 36% with elected non-Muslims also at 36%.

In short, between 1909 to 1919, Muslims moved to centre-stage as bulwarks of the official/nominated bloc in the Central
Assembly. A Muslim politician would get the signal that would be more worthwhile to advocate to the British
than to other nationalists.

Incidentally, in the 1935 Government of India Act, the proportions granted in the Central Assembly were not very different:

General+SC 105 (SC=19, General=86)
Muslim 82
Others 63 (Sikhs 6, Christians 8, AngloIndian 4, Europeans 8, Landlords 7,labour 10, industry 11,women 9)
Total 250

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/prit ... /411a.html
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/prit ... /411b.html
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/prit ... 15app.html

Those provincial assemblies elected in 1937 which had elected Hindu majorities, Jinnah and Muslim League rejected within 3 months.

IOW, unless I am mistaken, Jinnah the great nationalist never in his lifetime had to accept the legitimacy of an elected Hindu majority government(ie government responsible to an elected Hindu majority legislature) whether in the provinces or at the centre.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Aug 2012 06:37

sadhana wrote:Re change in Jinnah after 1920

One cause of change in Jinnah was probably British government's allocation of Central Legislative Assembly
seats in the 1919 Montford reforms for India.

In 1909 Muslims were allotted 5 of 27 elected seats, according to Ambedkar's book. (Wolpert says 8 of 28 nonofficial seats).

In 1919 Muslims were alloted 52 of 104 elected seats, ie 50%.

By the early 1900s there were entrenched racist attitudes among the British political class, the elite and the scientific community in Britain and possibly among everyone else. This is clear from archived texts of the era and the works of authors. If I extrapolate on the way these attitudes evolved, it is easy to see that fairer complexioned people were considered to be a superior class, with an increasing admixture with darker races leading to more degeneration. These were all perfectly clear scientific facts to Britain of the day. Add to this the loyalty shown by North western Gunga Dins after 1857, and you have the formula for the British considering the fair complexioned Ashraf Mussalmaan as a vastly superior being who was almost (but not quite) equal to the Brit himself.

No wonder they went about distributing free seats.

I think that our nation has been so brainwashed by the feeling that the British government in India was absolutely just and secular that the color conscious racist attitudes prevalent in the Europe of the 1900s is not given the attention it needs.

Prasanna · Post by **Prasanna** » 02 Aug 2012 07:17

Another full blown case of pakistaniyat. Qadian in Punjab, another breeding ground for future terrorists.

Yudhvir Rana of TOI wants to give citizenship to a pakistani women who has already birthed 3 kids and is learning the local languages. whatever happened to the govt population control measure of having only 2 kids?
why are such marriage alliances with a high risk terror population even allowed?
why cant the husband take pakistani citizenship, go there and rot in hell?
Why are Indians being burdened with rearing another waste body which has nothing positive to contribute to society?

strangely rana seems uninterested in asking such questions. he wants India to give her full citizenship, so that she can live on govt rations, produce another dozen kids, train some of them to become terrorists and kill people, while the rest can join some NGO and cry persecution and demand international intervention and a separate state. These PAID News media crooks are selling their nation for money and working as PR agents to infiltrate more pakistani terror breeding factories, may they and their kids be cursed to be born as blind pigs for the next seven generations. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 320672.cms

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Aug 2012 07:40

Comparison of the National Space Agencies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and India causes much heart burn to the Express Tribune which finds its national space agency SUPARCO’s performance substantially lagging India’s ISRO:

Lagging behind: 2040 - Pakistan’s space od[d]yssey

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2012 09:50

sadhana wrote:Those provincial assemblies elected in 1937 which had elected Hindu majorities, Jinnah and Muslim League rejected within 3 months.

IOW, unless I am mistaken, Jinnah the great nationalist never in his lifetime had to accept the legitimacy of an elected Hindu majority government(ie government responsible to an elected Hindu majority legislature) whether in the provinces or at the centre.

sadhana, welcome to the board.

The feeling of desperation among the Muslim elites emanated from the Yamuna-Gangetic belt area. The Mussalman delegation that waited on Viceroy Minto in c. 1906 and extracted a promise of reserved seats as and when elections were to be held in future, or not to do anything that would put 'the conquering and ruling race' of Muslims at a disadvantage vis-a-vis the Hindus when Constitution was framed, comprised essentially of leaders from this area. The meeting so buoyed up the spirits of these Muslim leaders that within three months, the Muslim League was announced in Dacca. On their part, the British had methodically worked on the concept that there never was a single, united India in history before and the divisions among the Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, tribals and Dravidians were deep enough not to warrant a single unified nation. Such an idea to divide the nation on ethno-linguistic-religious lines was put in motion since 1857. As part of such a divide-and-conquer rule, the British acceded to the demands of the Yamuna-Ganges leaders and introduced separate Muslim electorates under the Minto-Morley Reforms of 1909.

These elites sensed, at the turn of the twentieth century, that the British were moving towards loosening their grip on India and the iron must be hit when it was hot. They knew that democracy meant that they would no longer have the unlimited powers that they enjoyed, as a class, until the British took over. Besides, they probably felt it was a double whammy for them losing power to the 'ruled class'.

Jinnah came under the influence of this group which lay centred around Aligarh but extended from East Bengal all the way upto Delhi. His own ego (which was hurt by the emergence of Gandhiji and later Nehru) coupled with his craftiness and a burning desire to settle scores irrespective of the cost were all exploited by the vested interests of the Yamuna-Gangetic belt nawabs, ashrafs, vaderas, zamindars and elites. Since the concept of Jama'at is so well entrenched in Muslim psyche, the elites of the Muslim League were able to push through their agenda easily among the Muslims, especially of their north, north-eastern and eastern belts.

As is clear from that c. 1906 meeting with Minto, the Mussalman never intended to share power with the Hindus. That explains every attempt by the ML to destabilize provincial and central governments. They were quite willing to be British subjects but not willing to suffer the ignominy of being ruled by a government which consisted of the Hindus in a majority even though Muslims would also be part therein. That was why, while the Ali brothers canvassed strongly against the British for dismantling the Ottoman Caliphate, the Yamuna-Ganges Muslim elites turned the Khilafat agitation topsy-turvy and claimed that such a failure, which led to loss of Muslim face, must not be allowed again within the country. By this, they meant the Hindus gaining power. Jinnah's opposition to the 'Khilafat Movement' (apart of course from his antagonism towards Gandhiji for simply pulling the rug from under his feet) and his submission to the Yamuna-Ganges elites should be seen in this light.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Aug 2012 10:01

Remember the Pakistani deputy attorney general who did seva in a Gurudwara to promote "soft image" of Pakistan? He lost his job. Should consider himself lucky that it was just his job.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/416309/no-r ... -the-door/

The government has sacked a top law officer who swept floors, did the dishes and polished shoes at shrines and places of worship during a recent official trip to India to ‘promote inter-faith harmony’. Khan made headlines in Indian press in March, this year, by sweeping floors and polishing shoes of devotees at Sikh gurdwaras in India, including Golden Temple. This was, according to Khan, “to heal the wounds of minorities in Pakistan by becoming their sevadar (performer of service)”. For him, it was a “penance for his crimes.”

Attorney General of Pakistan Irfan Qadir also confirmed that Khan has been replaced with Shah. However, he did not cite any reason for Khan’s removal from the post.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2012 10:02

arun wrote:. . .Express Tribune which finds its national space agency SUPARCO’s performance substantially lagging India’s ISRO

Substantially lagging ?

Can there even be an attempt to compare at all ?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Aug 2012 10:07

^^^
Remember the India has longer range missiles but "Pakistan has made more progress in mating its nukes to its missiles" BS that they like to tout? Comments in that article are priceless, with one abdul suggesting "India has made more progress in space program, Pakistan has made more progress in missiles".

I strongly suspect that they know zero about missiles. AQ Khan appeared in Capital talk and quoted such sources like Reader's digest to argue why a car can run on water (hint: it cant, it is against the laws of thermodynamics). That fellow seemed to have no grasp of even highschool physics. And KRL is reputed to have developed the Ghauri missile!

I am not even sure if they imported their missiles and painted it green. Probably China themselves painted it green before they sold them.

Ultimately, I feel that this gap in science and technology is how we will leave them in the dust. It is evident everywhere, from automobile manufacturing to IT industry, there is simply no comparison.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Aug 2012 10:12

Anujan wrote:Remember the Pakistani deputy attorney general who did seva in a Gurudwara to promote "soft image" of Pakistan? He lost his job. Should consider himself lucky that it was just his job.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/416309/no-r ... -the-door/

Surprise, it took so long . The man was influenced by Dharmic values and experienced the inner peace by doing the the Sewa and practicing humility. Pakislam caught up with him. Our Haram Ki Asha folks still dont get it. The Paqqi garbage is to kept at safe distance.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 02 Aug 2012 10:25

from that article on Suparco

It was in this connection that the Rahber series of rockets were launched from Sonmiani Rocket Range in June, 1962 that conducted experiments on the Earth’s atmosphere at a height of 130 kilometers. Later, the Shahper series was also launched that conducted

a Freudian slip about their acquisition process?

Anyways, all these morons talk about Abdul Salam would have "done this, done that" if not for his kaffir status..... if he so great, why the hell did he not have a second tier leadership groomed up like Indian pioneers in space and nucular? It is obvious Abdul Salam is a one-trick pony, who build no institutions and the pakis know that, but they have nothing better to show, what with xerox hiding inside his house and peering through curtains

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Aug 2012 10:26

What a beauty, they did the crime and get to question us.

India may let Pak panel quiz 26/11 witnesses

Don't know what to say

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2012 11:06

One can understand the scorching pace being set by Suparco which already has one satellite in orbit.

. . . and his {SUPARCO Chairman} suggestion was to have another communication satellite in space by 2021.

Ma'sha Allah.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 02 Aug 2012 11:19

Anujan wrote: http://tribune.com.pk/story/416309/no-r ... -the-door/

This sheds some light on why he was fired - "The Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) issued him a show-cause notice for ‘defaming’ Pakistan abroad."

Be it Veena Malik stripping for money and fame in India or be it a lawyer repenting the sins of his fellow mohammedans of Pakistan by serving in a Gurdwara, these individual examples highlight the fact that anyone who doesn't harbor the thoughts of invading India, riding his/her white horse and wielding a shiny sword, is defaming Pakistan.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 02 Aug 2012 11:25

So now Imran Khan of PTI and Duffer e Porkis is under scanner for money laundering and Investment Gambling.
Hai Allah ! now who will Abdul Paaki turn to for a sharia compliant ruler ?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Aug 2012 11:38

Actually, I think Imran will get off scott free. His scheme is too complicated for abduls to understand, It is not straightforward embezzlement.

Apparently he took donations to his hospital and invested in risky bets to pocket the profits. Pakis will find such terms as "conflict of interest" quite hard to understand.

“Imran Khan used a huge amount collected from Zakat, sadqah, fitrana and other donations to invest in real estate gambling abroad, which he lost,” Asif alleged.

Imran Khan said the investment company head, Imtiaz Haideri, had given s guarantee that $3 million was safe even in case of loss.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2012 11:43

Rajdeep wrote:So now Imran Khan of PTI and Duffer e Porkis is under scanner for money laundering and Investment Gambling.
Hai Allah ! now who will Abdul Paaki turn to for a sharia compliant ruler ?

Rajdeep, this could be a ploy even to exonerate Imran Khan and claim he was white as a lily and hence most suitable to lead Pakistan, free of all taints.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 02 Aug 2012 11:44

That depends on how Mr 10% and Nawaz exploit this situation and how much the Army and CJ are willing to do to save their ~~brown eyed monster~~ blue eyed boy.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 02 Aug 2012 12:20

But wasn't Im the dim doing it for his Islamic hospital? For those with even half knowledge of Sharia and Taqqiya it is abundantly clear that Im the dim has done no wrong

Vasu · Post by **Vasu** » 02 Aug 2012 12:34

Folks, sorry to butt in with this but I am just mad at how the Pakis are now trying to hijack our foods also.

I was on wikipedia for some information on popcorn. That eventually led me to popped grain, which led me to popped rice, which led me to bhelpuri, which led me to chaat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaat

This is the opening paragraph:

Chaat (Urdu چاٹ , Hindi: चाट) is a term describing savoury snacks, typically served at road-side tracks from stalls or carts in Pakistan and India.[1] With its origins in Pakistan, chaat has become immensely popular in India and the rest of South Asia. The word derives from Hindi cāṭ चाट (tasting, a delicacy), from cāṭnā चाटना (to lick), from Prakrit caṭṭei चट्टेइ (to devour with relish, eat noisily).[2]

So we did not have chaat before 2000 BC, when Pakistan was formed?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Aug 2012 12:43

bhat is teh prablem ? check it now.

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 02 Aug 2012 12:57

Did you guys hear about the Water Car a pakistani hakeem engineer has "invented". it is all over the media and they are going ga ga over it. all the major scientists are being ridiculed on the show and a rag tag engineer is given a heoric treatment.
though it feels good to know that their level of science is down to the pigs ,but every time i hear them claiming that electrolysis is just invented by them and laws of conservation of energy is BS ,the little scientist in me dies a bit:(

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 02 Aug 2012 13:41

http://dawn.com/2012/08/02/gen-allen-to ... -pakistan/

Islamabad on July 3 lifted the longest blockade on Nato traffic of the war in Afghanistan after Washington said sorry for the deaths of 24 Pakistani troops, who were killed in US air strikes last November.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2012 13:43

vdutta wrote:. . . it is all over the media . . .

It is all over BRf too

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Aug 2012 13:47

Vdutta>> please read the last few pages where it has been debunked and how guy just bought a Do it Yourself kit online and it is being kept as the next great invention, a similair case where anothe Do it Yourself Kit was bought online last year and told Pakis invented a great new light Helicopter, its all for H&D purpose by Paki Army. When aam Abduls keep asking how does Pakis develop missiles with no technology in any other area, this is how the build false H&D stating they have a world class tech base when in actual fact they have none.

Vasu · Post by **Vasu** » 02 Aug 2012 14:09

Rahul M wrote:bhat is teh prablem ? check it now.

he he.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Aug 2012 14:35

vdutta wrote:Did you guys hear about the Water Car a pakistani hakeem engineer has "invented". it is all over the media and they are going ga ga over it. all the major scientists are being ridiculed on the show and a rag tag engineer is given a heoric treatment.
though it feels good to know that their level of science is down to the pigs ,but every time i hear them claiming that electrolysis is just invented by them and laws of conservation of energy is BS ,the little scientist in me dies a bit:(

that means you haven't seen

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1288228
the actual thesis http://prr.hec.gov.pk/Thesis/373S.pdf
(warning : your head might explode on reading it)

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Aug 2012 14:54

hnair wrote:from that article on Suparco

It was in this connection that the Rahber series of rockets were launched from Sonmiani Rocket Range in June, 1962 that conducted experiments on the Earth’s atmosphere at a height of 130 kilometers. Later, the Shahper series was also launched that conducted
a Freudian slip about their acquisition process?

Anyways, all these morons talk about Abdul Salam would have "done this, done that" if not for his kaffir status..... if he so great, why the hell did he not have a second tier leadership groomed up like Indian pioneers in space and nucular? It is obvious Abdul Salam is a one-trick pony, who build no institutions and the pakis know that, but they have nothing better to show, what with xerox hiding inside his house and peering through curtains

he did. but not in pakistan. what does that tell you ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... al_Physics
also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWAS
on another note, when TWAS was set up, India was one of the recipients of its grants. now, India is one of the destinations of TWAS scholarship holders from other developing countries.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Aug 2012 15:26

Armed 'al-Qaeda' trio arrested in southern Spain
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19091753

Take a wild guess why the news is in this dhaaga?

Police suspect at least one of those arrested to have attended training camps in Pakistan, reports say.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2012 16:27

Rajdeep wrote:now who will Abdul Paaki turn to for a sharia compliant ruler ?

Tat-TaaNaa....(enter stage left, drum rolls pleaj)....

Heeeeeere's Shahenshaho kay Shahenshah;
Mardier than the average mard;
Gareebon ka badshah;
Andhon mein kanaa raja;
every bechari behn ka khoobsoorat bhai;
Hinduon ka fatehi'
Butt todh ghazi.......

Zaid (pbuh) Ham-Eid.....

Tat-taana....(now, follow with the musical score from "Chariots of Fire" while Zaidji does the pirouette).

That's who.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2012 16:33

vdutta wrote:Did you guys hear about the Water Car a pakistani hakeem engineer has "invented". it is all over the media and they are going ga ga over it. all the major scientists are being ridiculed on the show and a rag tag engineer is given a heoric treatment. though it feels good to know that their level of science is down to the pigs ,but every time i hear them claiming that electrolysis is just invented by them and laws of conservation of energy is BS ,the little scientist in me dies a bit:(

Now you are insulting the honor of The Worldwide Birathari of Pigs.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2012 16:36

Vasu wrote:So we did not have chaat before 2000 BC, when Pakistan was formed?

Kufr! Don't you know? The art of Chaat was brought to the Indian shores by Bin Qasim? How did you think he managed to entice that poor Brahmin in the kingdom of Raja Dahir to open those gates?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2012 16:39

arun wrote: Lagging behind: 2040 - Pakistan’s space od[d]yssey

Guys, don't miss this part. The art of AQKhanism was alive and well in the '60s.

Salam held a meeting with two PAEC scientists Dr Salim Mehmud and Tariq Mustafa, who were studying abroad in 1960 in Washington, and revealed that the Pakistan government had approved a classified mission to begin its own space research programme. He advised the two young scientists to join NASA to study rocket science.

Was photocopying available in those days?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2012 16:41

Pa'astan is ready for.....

World breastfeeding week

It's all science, you know.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2012 16:46

anupmisra wrote:Was photocopying available in those days?

Photocopying was not needed. The US was generous those days to TSP. As the same report further says, these two guys returned with a lot of goodies from there. It is quite another matter that they did not know what to do with them all.

NASA provided the two scientists with rocket components to take back home along with training and support