The 2012 Olympics Thread

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 05 Aug 2012 07:12

mery kom tommorrow

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Aug 2012 07:22

krishna poonia finished a creditable 7th last night with 63.xx mts.
http://www.london2012.com/athletics/eve ... index.html

her personal best of 64.xx would have given her 6th place.

dani samuels of aus and the american girl ended up behind her. other than Cheeni bronze medalist no other AG threats.

if she can hit around 67-68 mts she would be a consistent medalist in world scale events. this is around 3-4 mts beyond her current best.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 05 Aug 2012 07:33

Is Vikas Gowdru (from namooru Mysooru) also up for tomorrow?

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 05 Aug 2012 07:41

ja. gowdru monday!!! how did i forget that!!!

he is up against 40 year old prof of discus throws...

prof. alekna..
http://www.london2012.com/athlete/alekn ... s-1072637/

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Aug 2012 07:44

glad the yank gals did not get the 100 m women's gold

annoying lot

somehow Bartania found a local Somali to don their colors and win the 10 K event
the shocker is to see a Yank at second place

bigger shock is that the Yank built like a SDRE

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Aug 2012 07:47

alyson felix could manage 5th. the 2nd girl is a relative unknown.

most of these girls except the nigerian(8th) are short and stocky but accelerate like anything from the blocks...

Mo Farah apparently lives and trains in portland oregon, in same group as Rupp galen the 2nd place finisher under alberto salazar.

a true product of the bartania system. Seb coe should be proud that H&D is restored

and apparently its hard to even find people to take the long jump because it doesnt pay as well as sprints...stds have dropped steadily since the days of powell and lewis. and here too bartania comes up with gold.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Aug 2012 07:58

Pryce is lithely built the yanks are all muscle blocks of god knows what

meanwhile the white pakis with empty coffers for all the money they spend are left cheering for Bartania in desperation (see smh.com.au front page

)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Aug 2012 08:15

australia, russia and germany have been hammered in this OG

at this moment kazakhstan and DPR korea have more golds than russia, japan, australia and ukraine.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 05 Aug 2012 08:21

Its only the Yanks that seem to be persevering to retain the Anglosphere's overall record in the Games. The side-kicks all seem to have wilted away under Asian and Afro pressure, the trends will show through more clearly in the Rio 2016 Games, where they will not have a home advantage.

The medal tally usually reflects the mood of the respective society.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Aug 2012 08:57

tunisia hammered bartania in handball...incl a long range SLCM attack lobbed from the other end over the brit goalie who had come fwd..they also seem to pursue fencing seriously...peculiar land but hey if they take a bite out of some pompous behinds why not

.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Aug 2012 09:10

Many of the goras have chini coaches for gymnastics and diving, and chini dropouts in its ranks

and Sun Yang who has left all in his wake has an Aussie coach

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 05 Aug 2012 09:15

India rage over 'cheated' fighters

LONDON: India light-welterweight Manoj Kumar claimed scoring at the Olympic boxing tournament is "cheating" boxers like himself after his points defeat to Great Britain's Thomas Stalker.

"It doesn't look like an Olympic Games but more like a district competition because if it's Great Britain in the ring it doesn't matter who's against them.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 05 Aug 2012 10:10

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 05 Aug 2012 11:05

Prasant wrote:India rage over 'cheated' fighters

LONDON: India light-welterweight Manoj Kumar claimed scoring at the Olympic boxing tournament is "cheating" boxers like himself after his points defeat to Great Britain's Thomas Stalker.

"It doesn't look like an Olympic Games but more like a district competition because if it's Great Britain in the ring it doesn't matter who's against them.

Fixing the judges is an old British sport.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 05 Aug 2012 11:10

What pisses me off though is reading the comments section of such newspapers, full of self-loathing gungadins.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 05 Aug 2012 11:12

^^ Most of the comments supporting the Gora boxer are Indians onlee

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 05 Aug 2012 11:56

Prasant wrote:What pisses me off though is reading the comments section of such newspapers, full of self-loathing gungadins.

Indian schooling system is a giant Gungadeen producing factory because it doesn't teach nationalism and the glory of Indian civiliation. These traits have to be learnt by oneself later in life as one matures.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Aug 2012 12:19

it seems many of the better aus swim coaches have migrated to training foreign swimmers who live and train in aus for most of the time. sun yang apparently does so in gold coast, under the same guy who once trained grant hackett. oldies might recall some of the rus stars like alex popov also trained in aus.

negi · Post by **negi** » 05 Aug 2012 12:39

^ Popov sir was stabbed by some local chap in Roos.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Aug 2012 13:43

The reports that Hocky players are not following the coach ideas and not listening to the plans agreed and practiced for months is very strange and something seriously wrong here.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 05 Aug 2012 15:39

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 361273.cms

"It's a heartbreaking loss and the result was unfair but we will not protest because we don't want to be seen as bad losers," said an Indian boxing contingent member.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 05 Aug 2012 15:50

Having hung up his suit, cap and goggles for the last time, the 27-year-old from Baltimore is looking forward to the rest of his life.

Phelps retires

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 05 Aug 2012 16:38

I have a slightly different take on the refereeing controversies.
I believe we have been on the wrong side of some debatable refereeing decisions in Boxing. While I admire our boxers, my opinion (I've watched the 3 bouts repeatedly) is that Vikas Krishna would probably have lost, Sangwan was the better boxer and Manoj Kumar marginally worse (both by about a point).

But to link all these incidents (and the non qualification to the next stage of women's doubled badminton) and say that its part of a Pro Gora - anti India conspiracy, does not behoove a country which wants to be respected in the sporting world. Strength and money gets you respect, not being a cry baby.
Boxing and Gymnastics are 2 sports that rely on subjective judgments to determine the winner (every other sport has a fairly idiot proof way to score), so are always going to be controversies and some subjectivity in judging. In all fairness, some of the more controversial rules have been done away with (like 3 referees having to score a point within a second), but the new rules have their own share of problems - like encouraging more defensive boxing and making the quantity of punches more important than the quality (which affected Sangwan). I wonder if our boxers were properly briefed on changes to the scoring system.

While I don't believe the referees are outright cheats (the Azerbaijan incident notwithstanding), I do think the Gora's and the new bully on the block - China, will continue using their influence to get things done their way. Rather than simply rant about discrimination, I'd like to look at how we can fight it. BCCI's experience in cricket provides some learning and to take Boxing as an example of what we can do:

How many people do we have on judging panels at the Olympics - in all sports? I'd be surprised if the figure was more than 5. There are none in Boxing. If we are serious about having influence in world boxing, we need to get 100 more referees certified by IBF (and 200 more coaches), by sending them to US/UK etc for training/ certification. That gives them the change to network with their counterparts in other countries (not just during the training, but in tournaments that they would referee later). My take is that refereeing works on a `you scratch my back' basis and we have to be part of that process.

Along with this, get our people elected to IBF and whichever other body influences world boxing. To put it crudely, this is largely a matter of money power and vote banks. Our politicians will have unmatched experience in getting their nominees elected and the Indian federation should be encouraged to chase higher offices than heading some State association. One of the things they can campaign on is the fact that Asia & Africa get less spots in boxing than Europe and Americas - again we have vast experience in quota based politics!

Next step is hosting tournaments. Again, this is just a question of who offers more for hosting rights. We would certainly offer a better deal than a Astana or Baku and this provides us entertainment/ networking opportunities. Invite some influential officials
to do a holiday cum workshop for our boys on `how to manage the new scoring system'.
Along with these events, allowing FDI for sports goods/sports retail, will convince important companies that India is a market that has to be taken seriously.

During the event:
Like I posted earlier, our delegation has to have an experienced lawyer (one of our politician cum SC lawyers will do nicely), who would have to work with the head coach, to file protests whenever required. The real tragedy of the boxing verdicts is that we have not filed a protest after the Manoj Kumar bout (after both the boxer and coach felt they got a bad deal) and we did properly present our case during the other 2 bouts (unlike the Americans) or for badminton.

Daily media briefing (India has a press attache as part of the official delegation, I assume he has a role) so that the Media is
pointed in the right direction and reports the official Indian view, rather than repeat what the Western Media say - since they are by and large disinclined to chase a story on their own.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 05 Aug 2012 16:56

^ Yes, I Jagmohan Dalmiya types for IOA is definitely needed, not just for boxing.
EDIT: Just saw an Indian woman judge for the women's boxing.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 05 Aug 2012 17:12

Sandhu 48/50 after two rounds in Men's Trap and currently at 14th position.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 05 Aug 2012 18:27

MC Kom match starting in a few mins

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 05 Aug 2012 18:32

Mery Kom getting more punches in than the bigger Pole. Looking good. 3rd Round.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 05 Aug 2012 18:37

Mary Kom leading 15-10 at the end of 3rd round. One more round to go.
EDIT: Mary Kom wins

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 05 Aug 2012 18:40

kom it is... 19-14..

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 05 Aug 2012 18:41

Crowd chanting for Mery. She's going to win it.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 05 Aug 2012 18:45

yay !

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 05 Aug 2012 18:47

next facing Maroua Rahali Tunisia in QF. http://www.london2012.com/athlete/rahal ... a-1083565/

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 05 Aug 2012 18:47

I'm surprised at the scoring. Mery looked to have a far bigger lead than the 19-14. Her size seemed to have given her a slight advantage as she was able to duck many punches. But she was clearly the better boxer. Tiny dynamo of punches.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 05 Aug 2012 18:49

but it also meant she was hitting up and hence lost range. she attacks a lot. so opens up every now and then. but it was clear that she was the one who was setting the pace of the bout.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 05 Aug 2012 18:54

Its Mary's to lose in the Quarters. Not really sure how/why Maroua Rahali got a bye in her first round. Rahali doesn't seem to have won anything significant or have any ranking

She does run into the Brit Nicola in the Semis

http://www.aiba-london2012.com/index.ph ... oua-rahali

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 Aug 2012 18:56

^^ Damn, so even the Manoj match was a dodgy one? Was too late in the night to see it.

Maybe it was a good thing didnt see it else BP would have hit the roof.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 05 Aug 2012 19:00

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kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 05 Aug 2012 19:02

^^ Victor i'm talking about Maroua Rahali her next opponent and not Mary

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 05 Aug 2012 19:08

sandhu appears to be out

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 Aug 2012 19:09

kshatriya wrote:Its Mary's to lose in the Quarters. Not really sure how/why Maroua Rahali got a bye in her first round. Rahali doesn't seem to have won anything significant or have any ranking

She does run into the Brit Nicola in the Semis

http://www.aiba-london2012.com/index.ph ... oua-rahali

If i were Mary and had won the Quarters, would be shivering in my dhoti since any match against a Brit in boxing seems to be like playing with one hand tied behind the back( judges having tied the hand behind the back)