The 2012 Olympics Thread

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Aug 2012 13:39

uzbek/kazakh == central asian in my description - they seem to be the main beneficiaries; more than the home boxers
there was a bout between a soko and kazakh that was utterly bewildering in the outcome with both boxers totally bewildered about the outcome (soko was a clear winner)

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Aug 2012 13:42

Lalmohan wrote:uzbek/kazakh == central asian in my description - they seem to be the main beneficiaries; more than the home boxers
there was a bout between a soko and kazakh that was utterly bewildering in the outcome with both boxers totally bewildered about the outcome (soko was a clear winner)

Right -- I wrote East European by mistake. Have corrected it now. These Central Asian boxing officials are notoriously corrupt even outside the Olympics.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 07 Aug 2012 14:18

Lalmohan wrote:i have now seen 5 bouts where everyone was surprised at the result, including the winner. not all were India bouts, but there is something definitely strange going on. the IOC needs to provide an explanation

the beneficiaries in most cases seem to be central asian states

vijender did get caught out a few times, but overall he definitely dominated.

Akovey's previous bout was every bit as controversial as the one with Vijender. Brit commentators view was that the Uzbek should have lost to his Romanian opponent.
2 more shocking decisions yesterday (1 benefitting an Azeri - again, the other an Italian).

Seriously, we need to get Kalmadi elected to the IBF.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Aug 2012 14:40

Boxing Scoring Controversy

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Aug 2012 14:42

^^ So with professional boxers in from next Oly, curtains for any more Indian boxing medals?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Aug 2012 14:48

it may not be pure fixing, but more the way the computerised scoring works - and the judges (in)ability to use the scoring system

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Aug 2012 15:36

I hope with some of the proposed changes for the next Olympics in boxing, it does not lead to some serious injury to the participants. How well can professional boxers change their style to conform with Olympic spirit, when they are trained mentally for a do or die type of attitude.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 07 Aug 2012 16:43

sum wrote:^^ So with professional boxers in from next Oly, curtains for any more Indian boxing medals?

No top pro Boxer will waste his time fighting for chump change or in this case no change.

From 40 million $'s a fight to this for PBF, he ain't stupid enough and neither are Pacman, Klits & Martinez.

Glad they are going to get rid of the headgear & changing the scoring system so that I don't have to see anymore of this disgraceful patty cake pass off as Boxing. Those who can't stomach the changes can go watch Cricket or Golf or some such "sport" but real Boxing fans always thought Olympic Boxing became a joke ever since they introduced headgear.

You won't be seeing this in the Olympics no worries:

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Aug 2012 18:08

after yesterday's bout I have lost all hope for even a veneer of unbiasedness from the refs.

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 07 Aug 2012 18:15

Well, it's not just restricted to subjective judgement sports. Look at what happened to this SoKo's fencer.

Monday, in the women’s fencing epee semifinal match between Britta Heidemann of Germany and Shin A Lam of South Korea, Lam led with one second left on the clock. All she had to do was not be touched in that one second and she would be advancing to the gold medal match. Unfortunately for Shin, the clock never started after the referee signaled to restart the match, giving Heidemann more than one second to land the winning touch.

Incensed, the Korean team paid to file an appeal of the decision, while Shin had to sit on the playing surface, known as a piste, to indicate that she did not accept the decision of the judges. She was there for over a half hour, with much of that time spent in tears, before the appeal was denied.

Shin remained on the piste after the decision was made in protest, before then being removed by security. She was then sent into the bronze medal match shortly after and, understandably still distraught, was defeated by China’s Yujie Sun. Shin should have been fencing for gold, but left empty handed.

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http://1045theteam.com/american-tv-negl ... -olympics/

gunjur · Post by **gunjur** » 07 Aug 2012 18:32

Slight OT but other olympic tidbits.

Christians, Muslims and even a 'vegan turkey' seek converts at London 2012

just outside Stratford Bus Station -- which many sports fans must walk past on their way to the park -- there was a collection of Christians, Muslims, vegans and others eager to spread the word

Team Islam was strongly represented, with perhaps 10 men wearing blue T-shirts with the Team Islam logo or yellow ones that asked "Is life just a game?"

Buonamico, from Bari, Italy, had come to London for the Games to persuade others to "be vegan" and "make peace."

Michael Virgo, 49, from Sheffield, was holding a sign saying that Jesus was "the way, the truth and the life."
Asked what denomination he was, Virgo said: "I'm not here to advertise a church, I'm here to advertise the Lord Jesus Christ." "Earlier in the week, the Muslims were getting very argumentative and trying to convert us," he said. "The security people told them off and basically we're just ignoring each other."

Even desi EJs are not behind

Jeyamani Rayappan, a preacher at the East Ham Tamil Church in East London, began saying forcefully that Christians were persecuted and killed in Saudi Arabia.
A member of Team Muslim who overheard him intervened politely to say the claim was "lies" and rolled his eyes, then walked away.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Aug 2012 20:18

is it proven that headgear is not needed to prevent the kind of concussive brain injuries and long term damage boxers suffer?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 07 Aug 2012 20:28

Gunjur wrote:Slight OT but other olympic tidbits.

Christians, Muslims and even a 'vegan turkey' seek converts at London 2012

Even desi EJs are not behind
Jeyamani Rayappan, a preacher at the East Ham Tamil Church in East London, began saying forcefully that Christians were persecuted and killed in Saudi Arabia.
A member of Team Muslim who overheard him intervened politely to say the claim was "lies" and rolled his eyes, then walked away.

Wow in a nation where a national to convert to christianity is death penalty, building a chruch or praying publically or even coming within 90KM of MECCA is death penalty, thats kind of riche claim to make by the faithful

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 07 Aug 2012 20:31

AIBA is just trying to inject more 'thrill' into boxing by removing the head gear.
Hopefully, they introduce suitable rules to prevent serious injuries to boxers. No country in olympics would want to win medals at the cost of the boxer's lives.

Reminds me of Nigel Ben v mcclellan match (though prof match), in which Mcclellan was rendered blind and deaf for the rest of his life.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Aug 2012 20:38

>> No country in olympics would want to win medals at the cost of the boxer's lives.

well thats not necessarily true. whatever be the obstacles some will still do it for h&d reasons (you know who they are)

btw the dragon'a beady eyes have not even spared sailing, I saw a Cheen girl winning gold in a singles sailing event yesterday.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Aug 2012 20:50

How many Chinese play water polo in their city communities or spend time on the beach surfing, yet they were dominating Australia till the end. I happened to catch that on TV replays. The Chinese were doing well in wimmens beach ball too, giving a hard fight.

As someone said their overkill mentality to get all the top three spots in each event, might kill the Olympics for good too and put us out of our misery in miserliness in final medal tally over the years.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Aug 2012 20:55

^^ an alternative competition will emerge

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Aug 2012 21:00

for how long china will be able to do this ???

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Aug 2012 21:07

not so bothered about cheen domination, before it used to be unkil and bear h&d contest, now its an unkil and dragon h&d contest, with bear taking a back seat. unkil also dominates these games - we don't seem to be too put off by that...?

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 07 Aug 2012 21:10

now we trail Belgium

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 07 Aug 2012 21:15

Singha wrote:
btw the dragon'a beady eyes have not even spared sailing, I saw a Cheen girl winning gold in a singles sailing event yesterday.

And trampoline, they won gold in that too.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Aug 2012 21:16

Uncle is uncle, and at times benevolent to us, no

but the panda is not a benevolent animal !

The takleef is also due to the cold fact that cheen has left us far behind in challenging the Uncle+Bear(lets) tango.

We cannot even hide behind being SDRE either

as we do not even compete there with them, like gymnastics where being small has a distinct advantage.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Aug 2012 21:24

Surya wrote:now we trail Belgium

There is some consolation. Greece the recent and first host of Olympics is trailing us with

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Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 Aug 2012 21:28

Surya is talking about hockey

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Aug 2012 21:38

i watched belgium play kiwis - it was a dead cert we were going to get hammered

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 07 Aug 2012 21:41

Sen_K wrote:AIBA is just trying to inject more 'thrill' into boxing by removing the head gear.
Hopefully, they introduce suitable rules to prevent serious injuries to boxers. No country in olympics would want to win medals at the cost of the boxer's lives.

Reminds me of Nigel Ben v mcclellan match (though prof match), in which Mcclellan was rendered blind and deaf for the rest of his life.

You know what, don't Box then.

Boxing shouldn't be watered down to cater to peoples delicate sensibilities.

You don't like watching two grown men trying to punch each other, fine go watch golf or cricket then. When Boxing fans tune in they want to see a fight not a game of tag or patty cake.

And plenty of Boxers are willing to risk their lives for the glory of the medal, money and even plain honor. Boxers die EVERY YEAR, casual fans only hear of some high profile incident like when Griffith killed Paret or Mancini killed Kim but there are deaths every year in some Boxing bout. That is the nature of the sport.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/22/13 ... azu-yamaki

There was no incentive for Cotto to keep going in the latter part of the first fight against Margacheato while getting his face bashed in. He only did it for honor because to quit is a disgrace in Boxing.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Aug 2012 21:53

0-5 in hockey matches. GAWD.

Disband the Hockey Fed and rebuild.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Aug 2012 21:54

Mery Kom's match Wed 8 Aug - 13:45CST.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 07 Aug 2012 21:55

Will Pro Boxers take a risk of getting knocked out by unknown players ? That will be something to watch for..... If there is an upset and the Boxer loses his value, Pro Boxers would eventually stop participating from the Olympics...

Not really sure what the Indian Boxers think of competing without head gear

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Aug 2012 21:58

If idea is to revel at blood and gory why not keep things as is. Pro boxing competitions are there anyways. Next what ? Jostling and sword fights and fencing with no protective gear to see blood. Why not wrestle to death too, must be easy to choke a guy

There is sports and war. The two are not the same.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Aug 2012 22:00

Why removing safety features make a sport more noble or interesting? It is terrible enough if it is an accident, removing the protective gear on purpose to make it "thrilling" is ridiculous.
EDIT: Agree with Bade. What next? Mezoamerican ball games?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Aug 2012 22:01

our triple jumper doesnt appear to have competed today - injury?

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Aug 2012 22:02

He fouled out on all his attempts and out of qualification.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 07 Aug 2012 22:06

sorry Bade I meant hockey

another thrashing

this is painful

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 07 Aug 2012 22:07

sum wrote:^^ So with professional boxers in from next Oly, curtains for any more Indian boxing medals?

Not necessarily. It could in fact turn out to be a blessing for Indian boxers who may now become international salaried pros (they will not be paid on a per-match basis but be retained on salary by APB) which in turn may attract more Indians to boxing. Fewer competent boxers will quit the sport if they don't win a medal early on, making for better competition. Unless I'm missing something, it looks like SDREs are genetically quite good at boxing, so boxing may even become a good spectator sport in India. Stranger things have happened. Women of course will still compete in headgear.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 07 Aug 2012 22:07

Bade wrote:If idea is to revel at blood and gory why not keep things as is. Pro boxing competitions are there anyways. Next what ? Jostling and sword fights and fencing with no protective gear to see blood. Why not wrestle to death too, must be easy to choke a guy

There is sports and war. The two are not the same.

Yeah lets compare a 3 round Boxing bout to sword fights to death.

In fact Boxing was without this ridiculous gear in the amateurs for most of its modern history. The primary purpose supposedly was to protect fighters from brain damage which hasn't happened.

There are a variety of reasons for why head gear is being removed, those who follow Boxing know this.

One of the main reasons is to bring pro and amateur Boxing closer to each other as it was back in the day so that when an amateur Boxer transitions to the pros he would have an easier time adjusting.

There is widespread support for the changes with in the Boxing community but it seems everyone is an "expert" on Boxing these days except the fighters, trainers and fans who follow the sport regularly.

After Carlos Suarez put on a losing performance that still had the Olympic crowd chanting his name, the Trinidad and Tobago fighter said what so many fighters are thinking when they lose an amateur boxing match.
"It's not boxing," the light flyweight said. "It's tag."
Suarez lost in a 16-6 decision to Turkey's Ferhat Pehlivan on Tuesday night. Both fighters struggled to land clean punches through a shoving, brawling mess of a bout, yet Suarez was left frustrated and furious after the five ringside judges decided the awkward Pehlivan - who probably slipped and fell to the canvas more than a dozen times during the bout - had landed more scoring punches.
"That was a horrible decision," said the light flyweight from Ohio who is fighting for his mother's homeland. "That's the problem with amateur boxing. That's the problem with the scoring system. That's the problem with Olympic boxing. ... Those aren't punches. I didn't feel none of his shots."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/us-marine- ... --oly.html

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 07 Aug 2012 22:21

Our hockey team ends this Olympics dead last with zero points. Will be interesting to see how we react at the official level.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Aug 2012 22:34

China has a team in beach football,playing currently against USA and matching them point for point.
Is there any sport they have left out?

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 Aug 2012 22:37

Why is anyone surprised by the Chinese performance ? The formula is straightforward: start with a large talent pool, pick out the people with the best skills in specific sports, and train them till they drop. This is not like some Apple product release shrouded in secrecy.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Aug 2012 22:42

Agreed but there *has* to be some sport which doesn't lend itself to such a method. I don't think they are good at football, hockey or cricket. Are they bad at team sports where number > 2? Maybe I am clutching at straws here but we can identify those sports and fill the gap.