Internal Security Watch

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 01 Aug 2012 23:08

varunkumar wrote:Regarding Assam riots, the langauge LK Advani and other BJP folks use is not accusatory enough. As a result, it has no impact. Advani should accuse the Congress government of conniving with illiegal infiltrators and religious bigots to facilitate the ethnic cleansing of Indian citizens from Assam, especially of the Hindus, and shout that "Bodos will never forgive the Congress for not protecting their women and children" and that "In their lust for votes, leaders should not turn traitors to their own people." This will strike a cord with Bodos and Hindus. It is important to project Congress as a party under which Hindus would never be safe.

Congress on its part never has any problem in accusing BJP of trying to ethnic-cleanse Muslims from Gujarat and label it as an anti-Muslim party. Has the BJP ever accused congress of being the biggest gang of anti-Hindu forces in India? The BJP softies will never have any impact if they don't learn to speak the language of combat.

As someone who has followed the fencing work and demographics in assam, BJP and LKA should be the last party to talking about illegal immigration. Damn it, during the entire 6 yrs in their rule, they did not move a hair there. Fencing was at its slowest pace when they were in power. Independent directors of BSF on public occasions have put forth numbers of infiltrators apprenhended ( and that has come down now). I wont give congress any credit for the fencing work (becos they have also been lax and slow), but they have done something even though it is late. But BJP (even though i support them, especially NaMo), DID NOTHING in those 6YRS to stop this crap. Just breast beating and NOTHING ELSE

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 02 Aug 2012 00:06

Low intensity blasts,not much damage................look like creation of pretext to remove or the protesters from Jantar Manter.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 02 Aug 2012 00:28

IMO it is unfair to blame the BJP govt for being proactive on this when they were upto their gills in dealing with threats to national security when they were in power...they had a sharp learning curve to climb...

The key reason IMO why we are unable to push this infiltration issue higher up the debate list as a national security threat is the deafening silence of the leftist chatteratti which in turn is taking it’s lead from the Bengali intelligentsia. Further there are several false arguments which take up the space on which on which more meaningful issues are to be discussed. We need to do piskological analysis to understand why they are upto this? My take is that it is related to wounded pride stemming from sidelining of Bengali symbols and issues. This may have started with the moving of the capital from Kolkatta to ND in 1911. Along with this the partition of Bengal, SC Bose and other Bengali patriots were relegated to the sidelines by the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty.

This is their way of striking back at the present dispensation, paradoxically, even the gujarati community is also afflicted by this ( their leadership - SP Patel, MKG’s sidelined as well) but have hopped onto the Hindutva bandwagon to regain the initiative (Shades of /Ghilzai/Pakhun/Taliban/Islam etc ) ….Please understand I am not casting aspersions on any community.

Perhaps SRoy or Brihaspati can weigh in on this.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 02 Aug 2012 01:08

Paul Sir,

While what you are saying might be true, that is not a reason for inaction. To be frank, they talk big, they did nothing on the border fence. They gave reasons like kids do (riverine border). The border from Hasnabad, WB to Jalangi, WB; Suti, WB all the way to Dubri, Assam and most other portions (90% of the boder in non-riverine). Did they fence all that in the 6 years. Even the areas where the fencing was done, it is pathetic. Now LKA gives a big bashan in Guwahati in 2009 saying that the fence quality is horrible (and yah as a home minister, he put a Israel type barrier along the fence). Then they say, dense jungles, I am surprised, where all these jungles came from when they dont exist on the border (except in some parts).

I am tired of excuses, overall under chiddu or even shivraj patil's watch more fencing was done that under the loh purush.

All BJP does is cry. That is why BJP supporters these days see Modi as their only hope, not all these breast beaters.

And if BJP can go against the hue and cry of intellectuals in trying to pass a utterly useless cow slaughter ban bill in 2003, they could have silently instructed BSF to fence the border with nice 15-20 ft high concrete walls.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 02 Aug 2012 18:59

muraliravi,

what is the situation with the border fencing in Assam? I thought it was done. Also WB?
I think the population pressure is more due to very high fertility rate among Bdeshi Muslims in lower Assam. Also in the Murshidabad, Malda, Dinajpur belt of India.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 02 Aug 2012 20:56

muraliravi wrote:Independent directors of BSF on public occasions have put forth numbers of infiltrators apprenhended ( and that has come down now).

Man is this supposed to be a joke? BSF troopers charge INR 500-1000 for anybody to cross over to Indian side. These scoundrels need to tried for treason and to be dealt by firing squads.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 03 Aug 2012 12:50

@sroy,

No the problem is deeper than the BSF. Who is giving them ration cards and voter cards? The Assamese leadership is venal and corrupt be it the INC or AGP. They hated Hindu Bengalies as this community formed the bulk of babus in Assam during the British period and tried their best to donate parts of Assam with Hindu Bengali majority to Pakistan. Then they were scared with the language movement. To destroy the Hindu Bengali they encouraged migration from Bdesh and have successfully transformed both Cachar and Barak valley into Muslim majority areas. They are now trying to do the same with Bodoland. However, unlike Bengali Hindus, Bodos do not have a stake within Bdesh. So Bodos are retaliating. The Assamese leadership is also stupid because the prediction is that in the next 20-30 years the Assamese who have a slim majority now may turn into a minority. The Muslim settlers were pretending to be Assamese and giving their mother tongue as Assamese. From the last census (2001) they have started giving Bengali as mother tongue. So Assamese numbers have come down dramatically. Coupled with low fertility among Assamese they are destined to be a minority no matter how much they try to manipulate.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 03 Aug 2012 12:59

To destroy the Hindu Bengali they encouraged migration from Bdesh and have successfully transformed both Cachar and Barak valley into Muslim majority areas. They are now trying to do the same with Bodoland.

This is called breaking your nose with a hammer to swat a fly. The main problem is the inability of Hindus to get along with each other due to ethnic or regional friction -- as a result, groups hostile to them manage to gain an advantage at their long-term expense. Here, the hatred of Assamese for Bengali Hindus has resulted in gains for Bangladeshi infiltrators who will now screw both. This story is repeated again and again in Hindu history -- only the players change.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 03 Aug 2012 13:13

[/quote]
This is called breaking your nose with a hammer to swat a fly. The main problem is the inability of Hindus to get along with each other due to ethnic or regional friction -- as a result, groups hostile to them manage to gain an advantage at their long-term expense. Here, the hatred of Assamese for Bengali Hindus has resulted in gains for Bangladeshi infiltrators who will now screw both. This story is repeated again and again in Hindu history -- only the players change.[/quote]

Yes, the Assamese are suicidal. To prevent others from getting affected it may not be a bad idea to give them self-rule wherever feasible e.g. Bodoland.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 03 Aug 2012 21:41

Supratik wrote:@sroy,

No the problem is deeper than the BSF. Who is giving them ration cards and voter cards? The Assamese leadership is venal and corrupt be it the INC or AGP. They hated Hindu Bengalies as this community formed the bulk of babus in Assam during the British period and tried their best to donate parts of Assam with Hindu Bengali majority to Pakistan. Then they were scared with the language movement. To destroy the Hindu Bengali they encouraged migration from Bdesh and have successfully transformed both Cachar and Barak valley into Muslim majority areas. They are now trying to do the same with Bodoland. However, unlike Bengali Hindus, Bodos do not have a stake within Bdesh. So Bodos are retaliating. The Assamese leadership is also stupid because the prediction is that in the next 20-30 years the Assamese who have a slim majority now may turn into a minority. The Muslim settlers were pretending to be Assamese and giving their mother tongue as Assamese. From the last census (2001) they have started giving Bengali as mother tongue. So Assamese numbers have come down dramatically. Coupled with low fertility among Assamese they are destined to be a minority no matter how much they try to manipulate.

My comment is not limited to Assam alone. And just because politician are ready to exploit vote banks, its not an excuse for border guards to let infiltrators in for bribes. This is treason and insult to the uniform.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Aug 2012 23:30

Govt pulls plug on Ford funded NGO

The Home Ministry has pulled the plug on funding by Ford Foundation to provide assistance to members of parliament(MP) for “research and analysis” for legislative activities. The Institute for Policy Research Studies (IPRS) had this year’s applied for approval to Home Ministry to receive US $8,55,000 (around `4,70,25,000) from Ford Foundation under this project.

The proposal to receive funding under Foreign Contribution Regulation Act, has been turned down by the Home Ministry citing unethical practices by “researchers” provided by IPRS to MPs.

The project drew flak when the Institute’s staffers started accessing Government files under the garb of providing assistance to MPs. These “researchers” had free access to Parliament Library and been sourcing crucial documents for the last six years under this project. The IPRC’s application for foreign funds was opposed by Minister of State for Home Mullapally Ramachandran and upheld by former bossP Chidambaram.

From 2005 onwards, more than 300 MPs, cutting across political lines availed of assistance under this project, also known as PRS Legislative Research, for preparing questions and speech material for legislative works. These assistants assigned to MPs, were funded by this project.

Earlier, this project operated under a Delhi based NGO called Centre for Policy Research. But in March 2011, the people behind this project floated a company called Institute for Policy Research Studies (IPRS) in Mumbai under Section 25 of the Companies Act.

This project is also associated with Constitution Club.

According to sources, the Ministers rejected the application of IPRS, observing that this project had seen unethical practices including lobbying. It is learned that the Ministers observed in the file that it is not good for engaging private bodies on legislative activities of MPs and MLAs and these kind of practices would led to outsourcing of duties and responsibilities of legislators.

Sources said a section of the bureaucracy first raised objection on the role of these assistants, who sought access to all files and crucial information, which could be misused too. Questions were also raised why he questions were raised these “private persons funded by the NGO” should be allowed to assist MPs, when the government had provided official assistants to legislators.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/home/online ... d-ngo.html

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Aug 2012 08:32

Buying a cycle ? Prove your identity

Buying a bicycle in Jaipur is now a serious business. The police have made it mandatory for buyers to produce proof of identity. Ironically, you could still buy, without any such hassle, ammonium nitrate that could be used to make a bomb.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Aug 2012 08:37

Entire Coastline Coming Under security radar

India’s 7,500 km-long coastline is all set to be equipped with security radars at vantage points to detect movement of suspicious vessels along the country’s maritime boundary.

To begin with, two radars will be formally commissioned by Defence Minister A.K. Antony in Porbandar in Gujarat and the Mumbai region later this month. In all, 36 radars will be installed in the mainland, six in the Lakshadweep and Minicoy Islands and four in Andaman and Nicobar.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Aug 2012 08:44

National Automatic Identification System (NAIS) to track fishing vessels 50 Kms into the sea

Chennai: National Automatic Identification System (NAIS), a network that will facilitate tracking of fishing vessels with customised transponders up to a distance of 50 km, was inaugurated by Union Minister of Shipping G.K. Vasan on Friday.

Delivering the inaugural address, Mr. Vasan said the new system would help DG Shipping, Ports, Navy and Coast Guard in tracking, surveillance, search and rescue and management of aids to navigation.

“There are about two lakh fishing vessels in Indian waters which are required to be equipped with such transponders. The Ministry has approved a pilot project for the Directorate General of Lighthouses and Lightships (DGLL) to provide transponders to 1,000 fishing vessels off the coast of Gujarat and Maharashtra at a cost of Rs.6 crore. In the next phase, it would be extended to other coastal States, including Tamil Nadu,” he said.

Established at a cost of Rs.132.15 crore by DGLL, NIAS would cover the entire east and west coasts of the country and trial runs were on since May 15.

Consisting of 74 AIS sensors installed on lighthouses, NAIS is networked to Regional Control Stations at Kolkata, Visakhapatnam and Chennai to Coastal Control Centre/East at Visakhapatnam and through Regional Control Centre at Jamnagar, Mumbai, Cochin to Coastal Control Centre at Mumbai. Both these Control Centres are linked to a National Data Centre Mumbai from where data will be disseminated to various users.

In the second phase, Andaman and Nicobar and Lakshadweep will be linked to Coastal Control Centre at Visakhapatnam and Mumbai respectively.

A.M. Surej, DGLL Director General, said the principal function of NAIS was to exchange information between vessels within VHF range of each other increasing situation awareness; information exchange between a vessel and a shore station, such as Vessel Traffic Service; improve traffic management in congested water ways; automatic reporting in areas of mandatory and voluntary reporting and exchange of safety related information between vessels and shore stations.

Shipping Secretary P.K. Sinha said the Directorate of Shipping had developed long range identification and tracking system and it had to be integrated with NAIS for better use.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 05 Aug 2012 19:07

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r5150.html

http://m.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyder ... 08508.ece/

How can UNHCR issue ID cards in Indian territory to illegals. India does not have a refugee policy.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Aug 2012 10:37

RAW says A.Raja had 'hawala' links
Posted here because of implications to internal security.

"Rajesh Jain, a Dubai-based individual and one of the promoters of the Chennai-based JG Group is reported to be associated with hawala dealings of Shri A Raja, former Union minister for Telecommunications and his other associates," RAW has told the agencies.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 Aug 2012 11:20

Why is WKK messing so much in Army promotions and why media importance?

Lt Gen Suhag’s promotion ‘unjust’: Ex-Navy Chief

negi · Post by **negi** » 06 Aug 2012 11:25

^ Ex IN chief's political leanings notwithstanding he has a valid point in this case.

member_20036 · Post by **member_20036** » 06 Aug 2012 18:24

Did DMRC compromise on airport metro line safety

The government-run Research Design and Standards Organisation (RDSO) has filed a report that exposes how the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) and Reliance Infra overlooked serious technical problems in the Indias first airport metro service.
The RDSO's report accessed by IBN 7shows how the airport metro ran on broken clips for eight months. The report says 11,000 clips found broken on the IGI airport-Shivaji Stadium track.
The RDSO says the DMRC did not reply despite reminders.
The question arises - Did the operators run the service even afterknowing that that there was a serious flaw and high risk of accidents and thereby putting thousands of lives at risk?
Documents available with IBN Network suggest they did.
Report by the a government body that does safety checks on railway tracks - RDSO - reveals some startling facts.
The serious safety flaw was discovered during a surprise inspection by railway ministry officials. The clips were supplied by a German company Vossloh.
The official safety report with says,"Reliance Infra officials accepted that these clips reportedly showed faults and were changed frequently. The entire length is at risk. These clips started breaking a year after airport express line was started."
Railway sources are critical of DMRC's callous attitude towards safety. They say despite repeated reminders all they did was decreasethe trains speed.
Anil Ambani owned Reliance Infra, the company that built this line alsoblames DMRC in a written reply to IBN Networks queries. "They were compelled to use Vossloh clips because Vossloh is the only company approved for buying clips by the Delhi Metro Rail corp," they said.
The DMRC in its defence says,"Reliance infra was never forced to deal with Vossloh. Reliance Infra could not do its research work for buying clips. And that maintenance is in the hands of Reliance Infra."
German based Vossloh refused to comment on this issue.
The blame game between the DelhiMetro Rail Corporation and Relianceinfra continues. But passengers who have used the line must be provided answers. Will criminal charges be brought on careless operators who compromised on the safety of India's first airport metro service.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 06 Aug 2012 19:00

Aditya_V wrote:Why is WKK messing so much in Army promotions and why media importance?
Lt Gen Suhag’s promotion ‘unjust’: Ex-Navy Chief

There is a quasi government agency headed by an Ex-Army chief which syncs with NAC.
Suhag's promotion is also part of the big restructuring of Indian internal security apparatus.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 07 Aug 2012 09:13

didn't know where to post this

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/269 ... issed.html
The Beijing station chief of the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) has been dismissed summarily in the wake of certain serious charges against him.

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Aug 2012 09:22

^^ Already posted and being discussed in the Intel dhaaga, sirji

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 07 Aug 2012 10:16

Cabinet clears border pact with Bangladesh

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... -and-areas

Stalled since September last year, a constitutional amendment to ratify the India-Bangladesh boundary agreement got the nod from the Cabinet committee on security (CCS) on Thursday and is likely to be placed before Parliament in the monsoon session.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is looking to push through one of his big-ticket foreign policy initiatives, a bid to seal the Indian and Bangladeshi positions on enclaves and areas under adverse possession. Singh and his Bangladeshi counterpart Sheikh Hasina had signed the land boundary agreement (LBA) in Dhaka last year.

An updated version of the Indira-Mujib agreement of 1974, the accord's ratification will require a constitutional amendment of Article 368. While the Teesta water treaty — blocked by West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee — raised a lot of heat, the LBA has greater strategic importance for the neighbours.

If the LBA makes it through Parliament, it will be a boost for bilateral ties and ease the pressure on the Hasina government as India's inability to proceed with the Teesta treaty led to considerable heartburn in Bangladesh.

Government works for consensus

While the government looks to concretize the land boundary agreement (LBA) reached by PM Manmohan Singh and Bangladesh's Sheikh Hasina last year, the political climate in India is fragile enough for uncertainty to cloud the positive nature of the endeavour.

For the agreement to pass muster, the BJP has to be on board as without the main opposition, the constitutional amendment may not succeed. Sources said the government has been assiduously working with the BJP to ensure support, and the effort will be intensified in coming days as the government plans to engage with the saffron outfit's leadership.

Mamata Banerjee will have to be taken into confidence too, and sources said foreign minister S M Krishna had been assigned the task who is likely to travel to Kolkata. India and Bangladesh share a 4,096km land boundary covering West Bengal, Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya and Mizoram. The constitutional amendment will have to be passed by two-thirds of members "present and voting" and ratified by state legislatures. The Parliamentary and legislative processes are subject to disruption, but Singh needs to make some strenuous efforts in the coming months. The LBA will not only change contours of India's map, but will be the first resolved boundary with any neighbour. The agreement will formalize status quo on enclaves and areas under adverse possession, entailing neither transfer of territory nor people.Around 53,000 people residing in the enclaves, who have just been counted in the first ever census in these areas, will get the citizenship of the country they are living in.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 08 Aug 2012 09:29

Assam violence: Death toll climbs to 65, locals block NH 31

http://www.dailypioneer.com/home/online ... nh-31.html

Four more persons fell victim to the fresh wave of violence in lower Assam districts, triggering protest by locals who blocked National Highway 31 at Beltoli on the Kokrajhar-Dhubri border today.

With four more people being killed, the death toll in the ethnic violence in Assam has climbed to 65.In the worst-affected Kokrajhar district, three persons were killed and two others injured when some persons opened fire on a group of people at Ranibuli village late last night.

Assam IGP (Law and Order) L R Bishnoi told PTI here that the dead belong to Lakhiganj in Dhubri district.

To protest the killing of the three persons who allegedly belong to the minority community, a group of 500 people blocked National Highway 31 at Beltoli.

Indefinite curfew has been reimposed in Kokrajhar district while round-the-clock curfew continues in neighbouring Chirang district where one more body was found early this morning.

The body was recovered from a field in Rajapara area, senior police officials said.

A few houses were burnt down in Chirang but the timely action of police prevented any major violence last night, Bishnoi said. A person has been arrested in this connection.

"Security arrangements are in place to ensure that no more untoward incidents occur," Assam Police IGP (Bodoland Territorial Area Districts) S N Singh said today.

The Army continued flag marches this morning in the three districts of Kokrajhar, Chirang and Dhubri, hit by clashes between Bodo tribals and the minority community.

Meanwhile, a five-year-old in the Chhatipur LP School relief camp in Chirang died allegedly due to lack of timely medical attention, camp inmates said.The child had been unwell for the past five days.With this, the number of people who have died in the relief camps has risen to 14.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Aug 2012 22:37

Barred By Muslim Countries, Rohingya Muslims Sneaking Into India – Analysis

The Myanmar Army and civilian leaders are not prepared to allow the Rohingyas to settle down in their territory adjoining Bangladesh. They have been saying they should either go back to Bangladesh or should be re-settled in the Muslim countries of South-East Asia. Neither Malaysia nor Indonesia nor Brunei is prepared to let them in. Bangladesh is not prepared to take them back lest they pose a threat to its national and economic security.

In recent weeks, helicopter gunships of the Bangladesh Armed Forces have been allegedly bombing boats carrying Rohingyas fleeing from refugee camps in the Rakhine State in order to prevent their re-entry into Bangladesh.

As a result, small numbers of Rohingyas are believed to have started sneaking into India. One does not know how they are coming—by boats or by the land route via Mizoram or Manipur. If this is not stopped immediately, the trickle might gather force and momentum adding to our internal security problems and aggravating communal tension.

kish · Post by **kish** » 08 Aug 2012 23:23

^^^ India is an attractive destination for muslims, because they have first right on resources.

In recent weeks, helicopter gunships of the Bangladesh Armed Forces have been allegedly bombing boats carrying Rohingyas fleeing from refugee camps in the Rakhine State in order to prevent their re-entry into Bangladesh.

Muslims don't kill muslims, huh.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 09 Aug 2012 04:41

brihaspati wrote:...long post edited....
It easy to dismiss facts as CT, but it does not help us to get to the root of the problem.

Bj, you are missing the point entirely. Folks pick on errors or blunders or events, as the case may be, and then view them in hindsight coloured by more recent events and situations. These may be viewed as facts - as in the events occurred or some correlation seems plausible - but that does not constitute any kind of proof.

The 'fact' remains that Indians continue to diss our leaders from the past - you think Gandhi was working for the brits, others think Bose was for the Germans or Japs. Essentially Indians seem to revel in denigrating our leaders, in other words, there are Gandhi hate, Nehru hate, Bose hate, Savarkar hate, Patel hate groups.

The root of the problem can only be reached if entire spectrum of issues being tackled by that generation is looked at. Then one can see where the right steps were taken and where errors were made, and how they can be mitigated now rather than ascribe malice to whatever action one sees as incorrect. I dont see what good it brings. Otherwise it is CT, unless you can show clear evidence - not circumstantial correlations that any particular leader was working against Indians or Indian independence. This goes for all the hate groups mentioned above.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 09 Aug 2012 05:23

viv wrote:
brihaspati wrote:...long post edited....
It easy to dismiss facts as CT, but it does not help us to get to the root of the problem.
Bj, you are missing the point entirely. Folks pick on errors or blunders or events, as the case may be, and then view them in hindsight coloured by more recent events and situations. These may be viewed as facts - as in the events occurred or some correlation seems plausible - but that does not constitute any kind of proof.

An error remains an error if it is not repeated. If it is repeated, it is no longer an error. In case of biased and discriminatory treatment meted out by JLN over Partition to two communities and two regions, the repeats are too consistent to remain mere "errors". I don't see why you persist in refusing to see this.

The 'fact' remains that Indians continue to diss our leaders from the past - you think Gandhi was working for the brits, others think Bose was for the Germans or Japs. Essentially Indians seem to revel in denigrating our leaders, in other words, there are Gandhi hate, Nehru hate, Bose hate, Savarkar hate, Patel hate groups.

Objection. You are repeatedly claiming that I "think" MKG "worked for the British". I never said anything near it. I pointed out peculiarities in his behaviour - completely contradictory - and repeatedly so, on several questions - including that of using violence, using violence against and for the Brits. A hagiographer would avoid the issue, while apologetics would suggest that he possibly realized that the Brits would resist the hardest if they faced prospect of militarily being chased out [the Brits state psychology is paranoid about appearing to be militarily kicked].

The root of the problem can only be reached if entire spectrum of issues being tackled by that generation is looked at.

If the entire spectrum of issues are actually - looked at - and we have done it to an extent in the Partition thread, we can see the biases, small-mindedness, hunger for personal power trumping other considerations and many other stuff.

Then one can see where the right steps were taken and where errors were made, and how they can be mitigated now rather than ascribe malice to whatever action one sees as incorrect. I dont see what good it brings. Otherwise it is CT, unless you can show clear evidence - not circumstantial correlations that any particular leader was working against Indians or Indian independence. This goes for all the hate groups mentioned above.

I think we should learn to distinguish between errors [which are not repeated] and biases/limitations of character flaws that tend to reproduce patterns of behaviour repeatedly.

For a hagiographer, no amount of actual steps/statements on ground can be allowed to tarnish the constructed image. Even persistent, repeated violently biased attitudes and manifestations will all be seen as isolated, once off events. For the fuzzying agenda, the demand is that any criticism of the idol must be seen as a hate campaign. Further the demand is that onlee one of the two options are available - either you say that the idol was working for Indians and for independence, or you say that he/she was working against Indians and against independence.

Politicians work on a range of motives and motivations, that intermingle personal and the public, the hidden and the declared. Thus working for "independence" can perfectly coexist with hunger for personal power which can coexist with religious, religious or other hidden and no so hidden biases. In fact they may all become complementary and mutually reinforcing. Working for "independence" could help the cause of personal power and allow indulging religious or regional biases under pretensions of serving "greater causes". Why do you have to make it all so simplistic?

I think it is you who are missing the point. By hagiography, we allow issues to slip out of our attention that needs to be learned from and not swept under the carpet to preserve iconic esteem.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 09 Aug 2012 15:18

interesting news from a gossip site

Danam Nagendar is APs labour minister.
http://www.greatandhra.com/viewnews.php ... 15&scat=16

Aggressive Danam Locks Temple!

The endowments department had given the land adjacent to the Narasimha Swamy temple to ISKCON sect to propagate the religious activities. This was not taken kindly by Danam, who had allegedly set his eyes on the temple lands. This led to the whole controversy. According to latest information, the police might arrest Nagender for vandalizing the premises.

I wouldnt be holding my breadth for the arrest.
eenadu the telugu newspaper site is reporting that he has booked under obstruction of duty case.
http://eenadu.net/Homeinner.aspx?item=break49

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 09 Aug 2012 15:27

Virupaksha wrote:interesting news from a gossip site

Danam Nagendar is APs labour minister.
http://www.greatandhra.com/viewnews.php ... 15&scat=16
Aggressive Danam Locks Temple!

The endowments department had given the land adjacent to the Narasimha Swamy temple to ISKCON sect to propagate the religious activities. This was not taken kindly by Danam, who had allegedly set his eyes on the temple lands. This led to the whole controversy. According to latest information, the police might arrest Nagender for vandalizing the premises.
This is serious, He should not be treated with Kid gloves.
I wouldnt be holding my breadth for the arrest.
eenadu the telugu newspaper site is reporting that he has booked under obstruction of duty case.
http://eenadu.net/Homeinner.aspx?item=break49

member_22286 · Post by **member_22286** » 09 Aug 2012 17:07

The bodos it looks are hell bent on booting out Muslims from their land.This is being achieved through the BTAD and the current riots.The tribals seem to have a lot of strategic foresight.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 09 Aug 2012 17:17

Ashok Gottipati wrote:The bodos it looks are hell bent on booting out Muslims from their land.This is being achieved through the BTAD and the current riots.The tribals seem to have a lot of strategic foresight.

I wonder where you are getting these reports. Bodos according to some reports are as low as 30%.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 09 Aug 2012 17:44

Virupaksha wrote: I wonder where you are getting these reports. Bodos according to some reports are as low as 30%.

From his favorite sickular papers perhaps.

And lol at "booting out Muslims" BS, go take a look at the where Nellie happened now. But ya these clashes will sure boot them out, Burqa Dutt told me so.

member_22286 · Post by **member_22286** » 09 Aug 2012 18:04

Virupaksha wrote:
Ashok Gottipati wrote:The bodos it looks are hell bent on booting out Muslims from their land.This is being achieved through the BTAD and the current riots.The tribals seem to have a lot of strategic foresight.
I wonder where you are getting these reports. Bodos according to some reports are as low as 30%.

In BTAD areas only BODOS have the right to purchase land and go for transactions.The Muslims can only inherit land they already have in.A report in the Hindu came today conforming his

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 09 Aug 2012 18:20

Ashok, thats legal priveleges, but there is example set for ex in Mumbai physical possesion equals future voters which changes laws when convienient. If laws like IMDT can be implemented, anything is possible.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 09 Aug 2012 18:43

http://frontlineonnet.com/stories/20120824291600400.htm

The AIUDF president, Badruddin Ajmal, alleged that Bodo miscreants had been attacking non-Bodo communities at the instance of the BTC administration in a bid to reduce the population of non-Bodos to less than 50 per cent. He claimed that the Bodo population in the BTAD was about 29 per cent.

also note the graph down below. Kokrajhar is in BTAD where more number of bodos are actually in relief camps than muslims. The media is painting a completely different scenario than the reality.

Dhubri & bengalgaon are not in BTAD.

The BTC agreement in 2003 states that BTAD cannot do the following.
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... _feb02.htm

a) Extinguish the rights and privileges enjoyed by an citizen of India in respect of their land at the commencement of BTC, and

(b) Bar any citizen from acquiring land either by way of inheritance, allotment, settlement or by way of transfer if such citizens were eligible for such bonafide acquisition of land within the BTC area.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Aug 2012 15:26

So that means the 'The Hindu' which is edited by a foreigner has made a deliberate vocous lie once again.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Aug 2012 15:55

Sad to see the state of law and order in India when certain parties rule

Danam’s shadow-boxing with Kiran, Sabita a dummy target

How can the police register a case against our minister when our party is in power in the state? The police have acted in an enthusiastic manner and the government should transfer West Zone Deputy Commissioner Stephen Ravindra immediately,” Hanumantha Rao added.

This is Sonia Ghandi's India

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Aug 2012 23:37

So no updates on the low intensity fizzles in Pune?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Aug 2012 16:46

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand they're off.

Instigated by owasi's speech in parliament this week

Breaking news: Protest turns violent in Mumbai, vehicles set on fire

The protest by several Muslim organisations at Mumbai's Azad Maidan against the recent riots in Assam and alleged attacks on Muslims in Myanmar turned violent on Saturday.

Reports said the protesters set on fire an OB (Outside Broadcast) van of a Hindi news channel.

The protests, led by Raza Academy, an organisation working to promote Islamic culture, were supported by other organisations like Sunni Jamaitul Ulma and Jamate Raza-e-Mustafa.

Earlier, sporting black badges, hundreds of members and activists of these organisations, converged at the Azad Maidan and expressed concern over the massacre of the Muslim community.