The 2012 Olympics Thread

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 09 Aug 2012 21:56

Had this been India or any Asian Country our appeal would have been turned down ... I now appreciate the knucklehandedness of BCCI

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 09 Aug 2012 22:06

Same here. I think BCCI should be given its due, its refreshing to watch a sport where we cannot be screwed around with. I can only wonder how much rubbish the earlier BCCI guys had to put up with to arrive at this level. I will gladly watch more India SL series and no DRS!

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 09 Aug 2012 22:16

Even today match Referres like Chris Broad are hard on Asian players especially Indians and let the white pakis go scot free....My only beef recently with BCCI is they let Duckworth-lewis method stay..W

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 09 Aug 2012 22:20

Geeta loses her match... Has a good chance for a medal in Rio.

The schedule for Mens 55/74 kg is out... Both Amit/Narsingh have very tough matchups.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 10 Aug 2012 00:23

Imagine the judging leeway for something like this:

I say the spout on the left isn't straight enough.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 10 Aug 2012 02:01

Just for the schadenfreude, it's good to see Tom Stalker lose his quarterfinals after that acrimonious bout with Manoj Kumar.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 02:56

^^^ Errol Spence is also out... The only one that is very suspicious is the Brazilian who beat Sanghwan... He just keeps winning close wins and dubious decisions

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 03:51

The national game schedule is so random..Supposed to be every 2 years... But there are 4, 5 , 7year gaps every now and then
No games between 2002-2007 and between 2008-2010

... And we are wondering why we don't win medals.... The good thing atleast on paper is most Olympic sports are listed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Games_of_India

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 10 Aug 2012 06:26

Crap, Tintu lost too

London Olympics 2012: Tintu Luka fails to enter 800m final
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/lond ... 12621.html

I guess Wrestling is our last hope.

Next bout.
Yadav NP
http://www.london2012.com/wrestling/eve ... index.html

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 10 Aug 2012 07:55

Yadav is the Commonwealth Games 74kg gold.
Also on Friday is Amit Kumar 55kg who got a bye to go against winner of Mongolia/Iran qualifier in 1/8 final. 19yr old rookie who has surprised so far.
Saturday - Yogeshwar Dutt 60kg. Narrowly missed semi finals in Beijing. Done well leading up to the games.
Sunday - Sushil Kumar. Beijing 66kg bronze.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Aug 2012 08:25

^^ Really doubt we will go beyond the 4 we have gathered so far in this edition.

Anyways, for all the hoopla we end up with just 1 more than Beijing ( and that too without a gold) though the overall level seems to have improved. But, this needs further improvement since the levels will have to be raised if these good performances/getting into finals should translate to medals in the next edition.

"The Jury of Appeal met and agreed to advance the South African team to the final, even though they did not finish the race, considering that they had been severely damaged in the incident with Kenya," the IAAF said in a statement. "South Africa will run as an additional team in lane 9."

Riiiiiight

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Aug 2012 08:28

Btw, the Nicola Adams lady( who defeated Mery) gave a real pounding to defending champion, Cancun of China in the finals of the 51K.G Women's flyweight. The next match also had a Irish lady trumping over the Russian world champ in 60 kg category ( in somewhat murky circumstances as usual in boxing these days).

Amazing that the Brit athletes actually thrived under the pressure and expectations and came up with the goods while ours wilted away and blamed the expectations for their bad performances!!!

Britain's tally:
25 13 14 52

Unbelievable tally indeed!!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Aug 2012 08:34

Jamaican 155m artillery again devastates Khan line infantry with a 1-2-3 SFW salvo in the 200m

Bolt said he needed a new goal to motivate him - maybe he could take up long jump which has fallen into the dark ages in quality...with his height and speed he could succeed.

he is kind of like a SU30 airframe fitted with 4 x 5th gen AL51 engines....takes a while to attain his full velocity, but once he does nobody stays with the big guy...

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 10 Aug 2012 09:00

USA has focused for a long time on short fast sprinters. 5'-8" to 5'-10" was considered optimal for sprinting due to 'aero-dynamic' & efficiency considerations. All the way from the Ben Johnson days. Mo Green for instance was 5'-9" on a good day and having met him several times I can tell you he was a 'rounded up' 5'-9" on a good day. If you were above 5'10" the system quite simply spat you out as the training was simply not oriented towards 6'-5"+ types. This was a catastrophic mistake in retrospect. It will take a generation of flawed mindset to wither away before the USA brings in competitive male sprinters again. Take a look at this image....

Singha, in sprinting it is all about contact with ground. Longer you stay in contact more power you generate. Bolt takes 40 step for 100m vs the 45 steps others take. He is therefore on the ground longer. It more like a race car with ground force spoilers analogy than flying.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 09:20

sum wrote:
"The Jury of Appeal met and agreed to advance the South African team to the final, even though they did not finish the race, considering that they had been severely damaged in the incident with Kenya," the IAAF said in a statement. "South Africa will run as an additional team in lane 9."
Riiiiiight

Wonder what the outcome would have been had kenya also appealed for a spot in the finals. They should have imo..

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 10 Aug 2012 14:01

tintu did well very near her PB.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Aug 2012 14:03

Singha, in sprinting it is all about contact with ground. Longer you stay in contact more power you generate. Bolt takes 40 step for 100m vs the 45 steps others take. He is therefore on the ground longer. It more like a race car with ground force spoilers analogy than flying.

sorry I couldnt get the physics behind that. supposing you have everyones ground contact time per stride as same. the guy (Bolt) who takes less steps ie longer steps to cover the 100m will win. he might be generating more downforce on his stride due to greater speed and heavier weight though.

in the photo he looks calm enough...a couple of others look like they are operating at edge of their personal envelope.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 Aug 2012 14:39

it is about ground force and not contact time, article in the economist this week goes into it in some depth, including studies of theoretical maxima in various events. 100m is predicted at 10.46ish - although other models predict 8.8s and women equal to mens speeds around 2057

the effect of drag is also discussed, including records set in mexico city games. plus impact of drag and slipstreaming in cycling. 2nd rider typically uses 1/3 less energy than the lead rider. team gb (and others) do wind tunnel studies of individual riders and custom configure helments and fairings, etc.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 18:00

Amit wins his first match

Asit P · Post by **Asit P** » 10 Aug 2012 18:07

kshatriya wrote:Amit wins his first match

And what a close match it has been. Am in transit at an airport and am glad that I was able to watch my countryman win

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 18:19

Narasingh loses his bout. Was close in the 2nd but choked at the last few mins

Amit now loses his match...

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 10 Aug 2012 18:56

Singha wrote:sorry I couldnt get the physics behind that. supposing you have everyones ground contact time per stride as same. the guy (Bolt) who takes less steps ie longer steps to cover the 100m will win. he might be generating more downforce on his stride due to greater speed and heavier weight though.

Yes, I didn't fully understand it myself. That's the explanation a 'kineastheologist' (sic) gave on an in depth report on sprinting on ESPN. She spent a good 15 minutes examining the mechanism of it. The 40 steps were key.

Edit later
Went back and watched the video again. She claims the fewer steps give Bolt an extra 1/10 of a second on the ground which is huge apparently.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 10 Aug 2012 19:21

Looks like we are losing in wrestling also.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 10 Aug 2012 19:31

Yadav is out too.

Regaring sprinting physics, it is one of the toughest nuts to crack in sports biomechanics apparently. Scientists hope to find some answers in the next decade but most thinking centers around the force in hitting the ground and the time spent doing it. Muscles-wise, the calfs may be key everything else being equal. Pistorius has a clear advantage with his artificial lower legs--they are lighter, stronger and springier.

For track stars, it is important to develop the correct mechanics slowly over a few years and in the right sequence. That is why it is so important to identify and train hopefuls very early.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 10 Aug 2012 19:39

Don't know what this means, but Amit Kumar is still alive.

Wrestler Amit Kumar qualifies for repechage stage
18-year-old Indian wrestler Amit Kumar made it to repechage rounds after his conqueror Vladimer Khinchegashvili of Georgia progressed to the final of the 55kg freestyle event.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 19:42

Amit seems highly inexperienced and his next 2 matches will be against very seasoned campaigners. Very tough task

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 10 Aug 2012 19:44

by Kshtriya
Amit seems highly inexperienced and his next 2 matches will be against very seasoned campaigners. Very tough task

I have seen him in junior championship against US school wrestlers and he is good!! He will become a good wrestler in coming years.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 10 Aug 2012 20:52

Joishy: A person qualifies for repechage after losing if the one who defeated him makes the final. Repechage rounds are a set of rounds fought between all those who were defeated by each finalist. The two who win the respective repechage rounds win each of the two bronzes. For example, if finalist F beat A, B, C and D en route (round 1 through semis), then the repechage event involves A vs B, the winner taking on C, and the winner taking on D. The final winner is one of the bronze winners. That's how Sushil won the bronze last time; he lost to the eventual finalist and then beat everyone else that finalist beat.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 21:27

^^ What makes Sushil's bronze even special is he beat 3 people on a trought without a break

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 10 Aug 2012 21:30

Yes, he was the A in the earlier example, having lost in the first round to Stadnik. He had to beat B, C and D in back to back matches.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Aug 2012 21:54

> Pistorius has a clear advantage with his artificial lower legs--they are lighter, stronger and springier.

dont let Cheen hear you say that or they will be rounding up amputees from hospitals and putting them to work earning medals. I do agree if the ankle is the fulcrum he has his CoG higher up due to his lower legs being fiber only. this might help in the "falling forward" motion being more easy for him.

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 10 Aug 2012 21:57

Singha wrote: dont let Cheen hear you say that or they will be rounding up amputees from hospitals and putting them to work earning medals.

Or even worse..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Aug 2012 21:59

I didnt want to say that. I want to believe there is still some goodness left in their overlords.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 22:17

Amit will be facing a Bulgarian beast at 10:25 am PST... The guy is very technical...

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 10 Aug 2012 22:19

Since Amit Kumar lost in the QF, he will have to win two repechage rounds to get a medal - first against whoever wins the prior repechage rounds, and upon winning that, against Shinichi Kumoto, whom the finalist from his side of draw beat in the semis.

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 10 Aug 2012 22:23

Singha wrote:I didnt want to say that. I want to believe there is still some goodness left in their overlords.

True, rather cynical of me.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Aug 2012 22:52

Khan brigades crawl out of the woodwork to justify why they got mauled by the Jamaicans in athletics

As someone said earlier, they are generous when they are at the top and not threatened. As soon as they are threatened with getting knocked off their perch, all niceties go out of the window and pakistaniyat large heartedness is in full flow.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 10 Aug 2012 23:03

Amit out of the bronze match

Clinch seems to be a major weakness for our wrestlers. All the 3 eliminations have been because of weak Clinches

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Aug 2012 23:44

^^ As i had thought, every sport where we had been bit hyped and were talking of multiple medals, we have come a cropper.

So, i think we will end with 0-1-3 . Hope that Sushil and/or Yogeshwar prove me wrong

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 10 Aug 2012 23:46

we will end with 0-1-3

I agree!! in lieu of gold medal last time we got silver and an extra bronze!! no more medals for us.