Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

saip · Post by **saip** » 12 Aug 2012 00:02

$12 billion dollars? It is just a chump change for the friends who are taller than the mountain of sxxx and deeper than the ocean of whatever. Cant these paki beggars send their 10% go begging to to beijing?

saip · Post by **saip** » 12 Aug 2012 00:28

There is an Ayesha doing a cost benefit analysis of the dam:

Ayesha • 12 hours ago −
Cost benefit analysis according to this article: cost today $12 billion (12 x 94 = Rs. 1128). Benefit per year = Rs 2 Billion. Time to recover cost: 564 Years. What will be the map of the world in 500 years? and here is the kicker, it has not started construction or even design, by the time it completes the cost would have dubled for sure which makes it over 1,000 years. I wonder if this civilzation will last a 1,000 years.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 12 Aug 2012 02:50

Pakis offers help to quake-hit Iran

The Prime Minister has issued directives to the concerned authorities in Pakistan to immediately establish contact with their counterparts in Iran and determine the nature and the kind of assistance, which Pakistan can extend to the people of Tabriz.

Hmmm... Aren't the pakis still trying to help their own quake stricken victims from January 2011? What sort of help can these beggars offer Iran beyond the usual islamic brotherly platitudes?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 12 Aug 2012 03:18

Well least score board is ticking in ramadan T20

Violence claims four lives in Karachi

At least four people, including a political activist, were killed and several others injured in the result of the incidents of violence in Karachi here on Saturday.

A man’s body bearing torture marks {I can bet it must be ziba}was recovered from near the Kakri Ground in the city’s Kharadar area.

Moreover, one person was killed in an incident of firing in Karachi’s Qasba Colony.

In another incident in New Karachi’s Sector 5-G, gunmen shot two activists of a political party who were wounded as a result. One of the activists succumbed to his injuries and the other was reported to be in a critical condition.

In another incident, gunmen shot dead one person in the city’s Soldier Bazar neighbourhood.

Furthermore, two people were wounded in incidents of shooting in Karachi’s Mehmoodabad and Bhimpura areas. Meanwhile police issued photos of 10 most wanted extortionists who have tuned the lives of traders and businessmen restless.

It is the first time when Karachi police took solid measures against extortionists and issued photos of extortionists. The police also nabbed seven extortionists in different raids.

Business community claimed that extortion money which they give have reached 20 million rupees per day. The extortionists have end the lives of several businessmen over refusing extortion money to them. {Well gazis are collecting jiziya from these kafors who are involved in haram activities whats wrong in that }

SP Khurram Waris of Special Investigation Unit said that purpose of releasing photos of extortionists was to take the support of people to arrest the extortionists. He added that names of informer would be kept in secret, and would also be given reward.

One killed, two hurt in Jinnah Hospital

A firing incident took place in Jinnah Hospital, killing at least one person and injuring two others here on Saturday, Geo News reported.
According to the Director Jinnah Hospital Dr Seemi Jamali, the incident occurred inside the hospital triggering tension in the hospital.
Sources said people that rushed injured people into hospital pointed weapons at doctors and triggered panic.
Dr Seemi Jamali said that police and rangers have arrested the rioters after which situation came under control.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 12 Aug 2012 03:50

Ho hum. More meaningful would be a thread-no one was murdered in Pakistan today.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 12 Aug 2012 09:14

China media warns of attack from Pak Taliban

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 453979.cms

The Chinese official media is distributing a commentary that warns China of attacks on its territory by Pakistan's Taliban jihadist networks.

This is seen as a sign that the Chinese leadership is losing faith in Islamabad's ability to curb the flow of Taliban to its border provincef Xinjiang.

"Pakistani support of the Taliban as well as other militant networks has led to many terrorist attacks in Pakistan and India.

In the future, jihadist networks may undertake major attacks in Xinjiang and other parts of China," said an article by a US-based scholar in Global Times, Communist Party-owned media.

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Aug 2012 09:33

anupmisra wrote: What sort of help can these beggars offer Iran beyond the usual islamic brotherly platitudes?

hmm..asking Jundullah not to trouble Iran for a few months till it recovers?

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 12 Aug 2012 09:51

rehash of old lies..

IT sector highly visible in next five years

CEO and Chairman NetSol Technologies Ltd Salim Ghauri said on Wednesday that IT industry in the next five years will be highly visible in the economy of the country. Talking to a private news channel, he said over 1000 IT companies are working with over 100,000 employees, generating over a billion dollars in IT export today.

In the next five years, this number will change dynamically and IT industry will be contributing very much to the economy. He said IT industry has reached its mature stage and it has been progressing since 20 years though its work is not visible but it continues silently. He said due to rapid progress in the field of IT, the name of Pakistan is included in the list of best IT countries.

He said Pakistan is doing 5 billion's export in IT industry and it is at No 2 in the IT services of the world . He said continuous work is carried on in the IT software and progress is being achieved rapidly in almost all of its areas including mobiles, telephony, internet etc adding 1500 teams are working in this sector.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Aug 2012 10:21

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_5
The ‘bloody’ Punjab partition — IV —Ishitiaq Ahmed
The British were very keen to win the loyalty of Punjabis and adopted measures

accordingly. The biggest land irrigation network in the world was laid out and a number of canal colonies were developed in western and central Punjab where the best cultivators among Punjabis — Sikhs, Jatts and Muslim Arains, and other groups such as Gujjars and Rajputs too were granted land. As a result, hundreds of thousands of people from the overpopulated eastern districts shifted to the western districts. Retired army personnel and civil servants were also granted land in the canal colonies.Hindu and Sikh Khatris and Aroras, often related to one another through family ties, made the most of the new opportunities that modern commerce and capitalism offered. They also took to modern education with enthusiasm. Muslims were averse to modern education despite the great efforts of Sir Syed and had great difficulty in participating in a capitalist economy.
After the 1937 election, Nehru announced the liquidation of landlordism in a future, free India as well as a mass campaign to contact Muslims. Such moves caused considerable consternation among the landlords and the Muslim League that had been badly battered in the elections. The Jinnah-Sikander Pact of 1937 was reached with a view to keeping the Congress at bay. It meant that the Muslim League could represent Muslim interests on the all-India level, Unionist Party members would join the Muslim League, but in return, the Muslim League would keep away from Punjab. Although Sikander hosted the March 1940 session of the Muslim League in Lahore, he was strictly opposed to the partition of India and Punjab.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Aug 2012 11:13

Rajdeep wrote:China media warns of attack from Pak Taliban

The Chinese official media is distributing a commentary that warns China of attacks on its territory by Pakistan's Taliban jihadist networks.

This is seen as a sign that the Chinese leadership is losing faith in Islamabad's ability to curb the flow of Taliban to its border provincef Xinjiang.

"Pakistani support of the Taliban as well as other militant networks has led to many terrorist attacks in Pakistan and India.

In the future, jihadist networks may undertake major attacks in Xinjiang and other parts of China," said an article by a US-based scholar in Global Times, Communist Party-owned media.

Global Times is perhaps playing it safe by allowing a US-based analyst to voice these views so as to be sensitive to the Pakistani establishment. Even then, the fact that the nationalist and PLA-toeing Global Times carried such an article means that the Chinese are worried about Pakistan and have expressed their fears openly.

IMO, the Chinese fear is deeper than a mere terror attack in Xinjiang province by Pakistan-based & trained jihadists. It is the fear of a loss of effective control by the federal & provincial governments of Pakistan. After all, Pakistan plays a pivotal role in the Chinese foreign policy.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Aug 2012 11:23

Enlightning Imran Khan - Edit in DT

The stiff Taliban rebuke to Imran Khan’s Waziristan march initiative ought to be a sobering wake up call for the Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf’s (PTI) persistent push for dialogue with the extremists. Yet the party leadership, particularly Chairman Khan, is adamant, and it seems unless better sense prevails, tsunami party adherents flocking to Miranshah is still pretty much on the cards. However, Mr Khan’s ‘supreme sacrifice’ rhetoric, should worse come to worst, and how that “would be an honour” is disturbing, particularly for the youth that constitutes the bulk of the party, and merits very serious debate. The party’s position, that worsening violence in the tribal area should be brought to an immediate end, while attracting greater international attention to the mounting spillover from drone attacks, is appreciated, but it misses some vital points. One, negotiations, particularly with outlawed anti-state outfits, are based on preconditions, not to mention mutual inclination. And judging from developments, especially this particular snub, the only point of negotiation the Taliban seem inclined toward is preparatory transition to shari’a law, that too according to their own narrow reading of Islam. Two, it is not that the idea of talks has not occurred to anyone yet. And Mr Khan would do well to study the aftermath of numerous rounds of negotiations, particularly in General Musharraf’s time, which led to an unprecedented wave of beheadings of tribal elders and upset the tribal construct that endured for centuries. Three, that the Taliban seem little impressed by Mr Khan’s concern for drone attack victims ought to finally disabuse him of all illusions. If you fail to subscribe to their way of life, you fail to subscribe to life itself seems their dictum. Four, any party still in the dark about the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan’s (TTP) venomous ideology has learnt nothing from the sad fate of Colonel Imam and Khalid Khwaja, former intelligence officers who helped midwife the mujahideen of the Soviet jihad and later the Afghan Taliban: one found dead and the other mercilessly gunned down by Hakeemullah Mehsud, despite pleas from al Qaeda’s high command itself.

The Taliban clarification, attributing the death threat to misreporting, brings a measure of relief, even if the rest of the statement raises fresh concerns. It is clear that the once hospitable tribal region has been overtaken by the ideology-driven xenophobia of the extremists, and the mere hint of democratic and secular tendencies invites confrontation, often of an existential nature. And Mr Khan’s politics, and by extension his party’s, comes across as increasingly reactionary, much in keeping with rightist ideology that influenced, even facilitated his entry into it. True, much of the country opposes drone strikes, but few if any suggest going to self-destructive lengths. He has found considerable traction because he read the public pulse right regarding unprecedented and intolerable corruption. He should not risk losing it by imposing a narrow, extreme right ideology on progressive, sensible youth that had just found much promise in him.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Aug 2012 11:29

No discrimination against Hindu minorities - Pakistan

Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Saturday directed the Federal Investigation Authority (FIA) director general (DG) to look into the reports of forced marriages of teenage girls {a complete hogwash. Zardari himself knows what happened to Rinkle Kumari}. . . . The meeting was informed that the people who were going to India have been equally treated with honour and dignity in Pakistan. It was further told that a cell has also been established in FIA where all the victims, if any, may call to inform of any injustice to them. . . . The interior minister assured the Hindu community that all their rights would be protected while no one would be allowed to violate the constitution, which protects the rights of minorities and gives complete freedom of religious activities to every citizen.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 12 Aug 2012 11:49

SSridhar wrote:Enlightning Imran Khan - Edit in DT
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any party still in the dark about the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan’s (TTP) venomous ideology has learnt nothing from the sad fate of Colonel Imam and Khalid Khwaja[/b], former intelligence officers who helped midwife the mujahideen of the Soviet jihad and later the Afghan Taliban: one found dead and the other mercilessly gunned down by Hakeemullah Mehsud, despite pleas from al Qaeda’s high command itself.

Wow, so Khalid Khwaja was halaled (in 2010) by the mehsuds despite direct pleas form OBL himself !!
DT editor may have slipped out something revealing here. Incidentally KK was goatnapped along with Col. Imam who himself was halaled later in 2011.

In 2005 Syed Saleem Shahzad(himself halaled in 2011) wrote.

Enter Mansoor Ijaz (now who can forget this gent?), a US citizen of Pakistani origin with close ties to the right wing of the Republican Party. In London, with the help of British authorities, he began the peace process.

Mansoor's point man in Pakistan is Khalid Khawaja, a former Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) official who was a close friend of Osama bin Laden.

OBL/Zawahiri - Khalid Khwaja/Colonel Imam - Mansoor Ijaz - American NeoCons
and on media side, Syed Saleem Shahzad. TTP/Mehsuds are the stick.

Now thats a deep rabbit hole. And some one is tieing off loose ends by ticking off one by one in the last 2 years.
I wonder when will the numbers for Mansoor Ijaz and Zawahiri come up?

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 12 Aug 2012 12:32

Rohit_K wrote:rehash of old lies..

IT sector highly visible in next five years

CEO and Chairman NetSol Technologies Ltd Salim Ghauri said on Wednesday that IT industry in the next five years will be highly visible in the economy of the country. Talking to a private news channel, he said over 1000 IT companies are working with over 100,000 employees, generating over a billion dollars in IT export today.

In the next five years, this number will change dynamically and IT industry will be contributing very much to the economy. He said IT industry has reached its mature stage and it has been progressing since 20 years though its work is not visible but it continues silently. He said due to rapid progress in the field of IT, the name of Pakistan is included in the list of best IT countries.

He said Pakistan is doing 5 billion's export in IT industry and it is at No 2 in the IT services of the world . He said continuous work is carried on in the IT software and progress is being achieved rapidly in almost all of its areas including mobiles, telephony, internet etc adding 1500 teams are working in this sector.

No! He is absolutely right. Pakistan is the undisputed leader in IT (International Terrorism). it sure is providing employment to thousands of abduls .It already is numero uno in the world!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 12 Aug 2012 14:44

pakis always make dubious claims about their so called IT industry. There is no clear public information on how many companies are there actually. The only logical reason for this non existence of data is because of non existence of software industry. Sometime back I remember reading some top IT company in pakistan claiming 5 million $ revenue. I dont remember the name or the year.

This is what Pakistan Software Export Board (pseb) aka peshab is saying

Nearly 1500 companies. Two are listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE), 2 on the National Association of Securities Dealers Automated Quotations (NASDAQ) and 1 on the Dubai International Financial Exchange (DIFX).

seriously! 2.8 billion $ industry!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Aug 2012 15:33

I recall detailed (and hilarious, of course) discussion here about 7 or 8 years back about the Lahori math & logic employed by TSP to claim that they were on par with India in earnings from s/w export. If one thinks about this unquenched obsession with parity with (or one-up on) India, one can possibly understand Jinnah's obsession on being equal to Gandhi & Nehru. Many such traits like aggression, violence, parity, paranoia, credence to conspiracy theories, tactical approach to issues, intransigence, hypocrisy have been carried forward from the pre-Partition Muslim League approach towards Congress (and a secular India) to post-partition Pakistan. These traits continue to dominate the practice of statecraft there. The question to ask is whether such traits were part of the Ganges-Yamuna belt Believers who sowed the seeds of Muslim separatism and eventually moved over to Pakistan.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 12 Aug 2012 17:08

Low water levels at Tarbela and Mangla

With such low water levels farmers will have difficulty in growing their crops leading to a potential food shortage. The power crisis will also worsen leading to an increase in the hours of loadshedding throughout the country.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 12 Aug 2012 17:13

Living for today by mortgaging their own futures. Pakis celebrate when their Forex reserves jump to $ 15,542bn. But they don't want to know why it did so:

Country's foreign exchange reserves have surged by $ 967 million to more than $ 15,542 billion as on August 3, 2012 on receipt of $ 1.18 billion under Coalition Support Fund (CSF).

Allah ke naam be deydey baba!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 12 Aug 2012 17:27

SSridhar wrote:I recall detailed (and hilarious, of course) discussion here about 7 or 8 years back about the Lahori math & logic employed by TSP to claim that they were on par with India in earnings...

IIRC it was something like - people only report 50% earnings so IT earning is doubled from whats reported.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 12 Aug 2012 18:54

sorry to break the party this is no IT success story

'Pakistan-linked' attack on Kabul foiled: Officials

Afghan and Nato forces foiled a series of suicide attacks on Kabul planned for Sunday when they captured five insurgents allegedly linked to militants in Pakistan, officials said.

The group was “finalising plans for an attack in the capital” and a large cache of explosives, suicide vest parts, weapons and ammunition were seized in the overnight operation, Nato’s International Security Assistance Force said.

saip · Post by **saip** » 12 Aug 2012 20:20

Sometime back I remember reading some top IT company in pakistan claiming 5 million $ revenue. I dont remember the name or the year.

It must be the Netsol. He is always claiming that Pakis are way ahead of Indians in IT and his company does not bother competing with India as Indians do not make products worthy of competition. He always claimed he competes only against NZ, OZ,UK etc. His company I dont think made any profits but right now his company has reached $40 mil in revenues but no profit. He must be selling lot of BS.

saip · Post by **saip** » 12 Aug 2012 21:07

Wrong thread, deleted

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Aug 2012 21:13

abhijitm wrote: seriously! 2.8 billion $ industry!

If you notice, these statements appear in the Pakistani media and not in any renowned internationally followed medium. They are meant for internal Pakistani consumption, for Pakistanis to feel better by thinking "Oh we are ahead of India". It is a peculiarity of BRF that we follow the Paki press very closely and react to every Paki fart we smell. Some Paki media are smart and I believe they cater specifically to BRF and other Indian sites that link them by publishing stuff that will appear on here and get them ad revenues.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 12 Aug 2012 21:32

Interesting turn of events in the abduction/conversion of a Hindu girl

A Muslim man in Pakistan has been arrested after a Hindu girl rejected his claim that she had converted to Islam and married him, Dawn reported. She accused Sarwar Solangi of abducting her and subjecting her to rape for months. The Hyderabad circuit of the Sindh high court on Monday remanded him in police custody.
Justice Munib Akhtar passed the order after hearing an application filed by Solangi.

Solangi claimed that he was also a Hindu prior to his conversion to Islam.

Solangi's counsel Ghulam Hyder Shah said that the 19-year-old girl of Tandojam had accepted Islam May 20 in Karachi and a certificate to this effect was also issued.

He said the girl solemnised her marriage with Solangi in Malir town, Karachi, May 25.

Her conversion annoyed her parents, and on June 21 her relatives forcibly took her away from him when they were visiting a shrine in Hyderabad, the applicant said.

However on Monday, the girl rejected Solangi's claims in the court.

She said she had left her house May 18 to wash clothes when Sarwar and two other men kidnapped her and took her to Karachi, according to the newspaper.

She was kept locked up in a room where Sarwar repeatedly subjected her to rape, she said. She escaped July 30 when Sarwar and his friends left the place to buy wine.

It was work of a Hindu bania convert. Not a true blue arap four phather person (not that they are not capable).

member_23672 · Post by **member_23672** » 12 Aug 2012 22:26

I don't know if this is immature. But, the wave of Islamic Evangelism(abduction, rape, intimidation as primary means) in Pakistan calls for a new term. I could think of "Rape Dawah" or "Dawah Rape". it could be even in the lines of Evangelism/Missionary Rapes with the obvious Pun. Is this is a right thing to do?(Popularizing such terms). More experienced Pak/ROP Observers can help.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 12 Aug 2012 22:41

Russia looks to build strategic leverage in Pakistan

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 12 Aug 2012 22:48

Interesting article about Mian Muhammad Mansha. Recall that Mian Muhammad Mansha's Muslim Commercial Bank (MCB) is one of the banks approved for opening branches in India.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/8653d82e ... z23IOTi0Tj

Today Mansha, 65, heads one of the most important industrial conglomerates in Pakistan, which, with a population of about 200m, is the world’s sixth-largest country. Only the government and the army employ more people than Mansha’s Nishat Group, in which his three adult sons all play prominent roles.

His textile plants, the largest in the country, generate more revenue than anything other than the $11.2bn in remittances that Pakistanis living abroad sent home last year. He owns MCB, the most profitable bank in the country; his Adamjee Insurance is the largest general insurer in Pakistan. He is also – since his discounted purchase in 2009 of two power plants from American producer AES – one of the biggest providers of power in a country where power shortages remain one of its most intractable problems.

And, should peace ever come to Afghanistan, the cement from Nishat’s DG Khan Cement Company, Pakistan’s largest cement maker, will go into repairing its neighbour’s broken infrastructure....He has, he says, already received an unnamed general, a former cabinet minister and an opposition politician. In other words, Mansha is a man to whom others, particularly politicians, come, especially as Pakistan gears up for a fierce election campaign either later this year or next.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Aug 2012 00:19

AoA
Bomb kills three soldiers in Pakistan's Waziristan

A remote-controlled bomb attack on Sunday killed three soldiers in Pakistan's troubled Waziristan district, where Islamabad has resisted US pressure to launch a full-scale offensive against an insurgency.

Pakistan security officials said the bomb targeted a military convoy which was moving from Mirali town to Miranshah, the main town of North Waziristan tribal district, which has become the most notorious Taliban and Al-Qaeda stronghold on Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

"Three soldiers were killed and three were wounded in the blast. Their vehicle was completely destroyed," a senior security official based in the region's main Peshawar city told AFP.

Another senior security official confirmed the incident and death toll, adding that a second military vehicle was also badly damaged.

Islamabad has told Washington that US forces must seal the Afghan border in the event of any offensive against the Al-Qaeda-linked Haqqani network in North Waziristan, an official said Saturday.

The Haqqanis, blamed for some of the deadliest attacks in Afghanistan and whose leaders are understood to be based in the Pakistani tribal district, is one of the thorniest issues between Islamabad and Washington.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 13 Aug 2012 00:20

saip wrote:
Sometime back I remember reading some top IT company in pakistan claiming 5 million $ revenue. I dont remember the name or the year.
It must be the Netsol. He is always claiming that Pakis are way ahead of Indians in IT and his company does not bother competing with India as Indians do not make products worthy of competition. He always claimed he competes only against NZ, OZ,UK etc. His company I dont think made any profits but right now his company has reached $40 mil in revenues but no profit. He must be selling lot of BS.

Netsol isn't so much of a hot tech company like the owners like to claim. Had a Paki acquaintance (pretty influential guy, Mush and Groper both showed up at his wedding) who used to work in our company and later joined Netsol (how he ended up leaving our company is a fun story in itself that I need to share some day) and was posted in Dubai. Few months later, he showed up stateside and informed me that he'd left netsol at the earliest opp., as he claimed that it was going downhill really fast and there wasn't much opportunity for him there anyway.

Anyway, NASDAQ tells the dirty tale: http://www.google.com/finance?cid=662787

As you can see, Netsol shares are selling at $0.44 and have been under $1 for almost a year now, which means they'll be facing a delisting soon, unless they pull a reverse stock split and boost their share prices above $1. Market cap is $33.7 million. Compare that to the share prices of its competitiors, such as INFY, Wipro, Cognizant etc. and their market caps (which are in the billions range)

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Aug 2012 00:23

baniya planning to steal water just before the sowing season
Nimoo Bazgo: Pakistan opposes Indian move to fill dam

Pakistan has objected to India’s move to fill the controversial Nimoo Bazgo Dam built in Indian-held Kashmir.

The upstream hydroelectric plant with a capacity of 45 megawatts (MW) has been built near the Alchi village in Leh district to provide electricity to the Indian army deployed in Kargil. The decision to fill the dam up to capacity will inhibit Pakistan’s water inflow from the River Indus.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Aug 2012 00:24

Karachi violence claims six more lives

At least six persons were killed in the result of the fresh incidents of violence in Karachi here on Sunday.

One dead body has been recovered from Korangi area of the city on Sunday morning.

According to police one person has been killed in result of unidentified gunmen firing in 100 quarters areas. One person was killed in the result of the firing of unknown persons in Ajmer Nagri area of the city.

Three persons have been injured in the result of the firing of unknown persons in Defense View Phase and they were brought in emergency ward of Jinnah Hospital for treatment where the medical treatment was being given to injured persons suddenly the armed conflict broke out between two rival groups and they opened firing at each other, resulting in death of one person.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Aug 2012 00:27

Three armed robbers killed in police encounters in Sahiwal & Lahore

At least three armed robbers were killed in two police encounters in Lahore and Sahiwal districts here on Sunday.

Two armed robbers were killed in a shootout with police late Saturday night here in Sahiwa.

According to DPO Sahiwal, Rana Ayyaz, cops deployed at a picket upon seeing three suspicious men riding motorbikes signaled them to stop but they opened fire at the lawmen.

A counterattack by the cops killed two of the suspected felons on the spot, while the third one escaped, he added.

One of the dead dacoits has been identified as Showkat, resident of Chak 81-DB Pak Pattan, while the other as Shehzad, resident of Chak 89 Sahiwal.
Meanwhile one armed robber was killed in alleged police encounter while two of his sidekicks managed to flee in from Waktan area of Lahore.

According to police, they received reports that an armed robbing trio, driving a stolen car, was on the run after sweeping a house clean in Liton Road area. A police party went after them and got them before they could run away to safety, they added.

Finding cops on their tail the panicked robbers started shooting at the them, which forced the lawmen to fire back causing the death of one of the alleged dacoits.

Leaving their dead comrade-in-crimes behind the other two crooks called it a fight and took flight. The identity of the killed robber has not been ascertained yet. Investigation has been launched.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Aug 2012 06:15

Low water levels at Tarbela and Mangla
Arabia Comes Home To Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: The two largest water reservoirs in the country Tarbela and Mangla dams may not reach their maximum water level leading to the power crisis worsening and a hindrance in the growing of crops. A lack of rain is being attributed to the low water levels at these dams. These dams also receive water from snow which melts on the mountains of the northern areas but that has also drastically decreased this year.According to predictions the maximum water level at Tarbela dam this year will be 1,510 feet while it is expected to be 1,180 feet at Mangla dam.With such low water levels farmers will have difficulty in growing their crops leading to a potential food shortage. The power crisis will also worsen leading to an increase in the hours of loadshedding throughout the country.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Aug 2012 06:19

Squeezer warns DLP Cj
Dismissal of new PM would tantamount to breaking country: Gilani

He said that the court decision against him was also unconstitutional. Gilani said that writing a letter to Swiss authorities would go against the constitution.
The former prime minister also said that if elected officials were to be dismissed by court decisions, then there would be no use for elections.Gilani said that the system should be allowed to continue. He also said that the judiciary is not a political party and that it should not have any agenda.

James B · Post by **James B** » 13 Aug 2012 06:36

Obama signs law on Haqqani network

US President Barack Obama signed on Friday the Haqqani Network Terrorist Designation Act of 2012 into law to determine the designation of haqqani network as a foreign terrorist organisation, DawnNews reported.

The act was recently passed by both chambers of the US congressand after President Obama signed it into law it requires the US Secretary of State to submit a report within a month determining whether the Haqqani network qualifies to be categorised as a foreign terrorist organisation or not.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Aug 2012 08:37

Hassan Nisar telling the truth which have been common knowledge here.
Watch at Minutes. Paedophelia and Necrophilia imported directly from Arabia now common happening in Poaqistan. At 11 he says jo Lahore me ga...woh London mei bhi g..u. Poor chap is frustrated but cant escape the dogmatic chains.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Aug 2012 09:16

Dam funding
http://dawn.com/2012/08/13/dam-funding/

On Friday, a Senate Standing Committee on Water and Power said that the World Bank would rather fund the Dasu power project in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa than the Diamer-Bhasha dam in Gilgit-Baltistan on account of India’s objections rooted in Gilgit-Baltistan’s territorial status. This reported preference appeared acceptable to the presiding senator but not to the Wapda chairman who emphasised that the Bhasha dam would remain a priority. Both stances have merit — alternative projects should not be rejected if there are difficulties in undertaking others, while Bhasha, which would be the first mega dam after Tarbela was completed in 1976 and would generate 4,500MW of electricity, is of primary importance.However, the core problem, that of debilitating water scarcity, is glossed over in such a debate. India has not made its objections formal, and in any case its concerns are hardly tenable when its own water security is not threatened by the Bhasha project. It is important, then, to look at other factors which may be causing potential donors to blink, and hampering the government’s plans. The apparent absence of a comprehensive business plan, with the names of all donors and lenders, comes immediately to mind. How does Pakistan propose to fund the huge venture of at least $12bn? The government is still looking around to complete a consortium of committed financiers, while interested parties willing to invest in the costly project are concerned that a partnership of public and private entities including governments, banks, investors, lending agencies, etc. has yet to take shape. It is only the active pursuance of such a plan that will send out the right signals so that even dithering financiers can shake off third-party objections and place confidence in the government’s intentions

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Aug 2012 09:41

http://tribune.com.pk/story/420919/no-d ... rules-dha/

Defence Housing Authority (DHA) has restricted its residents from hosting musical programmes and dance parties at home while allowing other events such as Quran Khwanis and dars gatherings.

In a meeting held with DHA Administrator Brig Aamer Raza a few weeks back, the association registered its protest. “Vigilance staff will be taking the law into their hands if they start peeking into our homes,” pointed out Kizalbash.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Aug 2012 09:49

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 12695.aspx

According to Abu Jundal, a key 26/11 handler in Indian custody, Mir {Sajid Mir alias Wasi Bhai} lives with his wife and two children at Garden Villa, about 20km from Islamabad.

Recall that Sajid Mir is a "retired" Pakistani Major. And propublica says
http://www.propublica.org/article/the-man-behind-mumbai

In 2005, Mir joined a Lashkar unit dedicated to attacks in India and embarked on a secret mission. He crossed the border into India at its only land port of entry with Pakistan, blending with Pakistani cricket fans flocking to see their national team play in India, according to U.S. and Indian anti-terrorism officials.

and about the man himself

Brigitte was part of an al-Qaeda connected group of militants in Europe involved in numerous plots. In September 2001, he set off for Pakistan hoping to reach the Afghan battleground...

Brigitte became convinced that Mir was also in the Pakistani military. During Mir’s visits to check on training progress, everyone from the camp chief to army sentries treated him like a superior, Brigitte said. It was clear to him that Mir was a military officer, he said.

“He never told me formally, but I understood it because of many details,” Brigitte testified. “He was very respected by the instructors who were themselves members of the Pakistani Army but also at the checkpoints where he was well-known. . . . Nonetheless, I never knew what unit Sajid belonged to or what his rank was.”

U.S. and French anti-terror officials say Mir became an army major, although he may not have reached that rank in 2001. He eventually left the military, although it is not clear when or why, officials say. And some investigators are not convinced that he served in the military.

But Bruguiere, the French judge, said the case showed “that Sajid Mir was a high-ranking officer in the Pakistani Army and apparently also was in the ISI.”

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Aug 2012 10:32

Of hero & hero-worship Part II - Op Ed in Dt

Four days later, on August 11, three days before the formal inauguration of the state of Pakistan, in his address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan as its president, Jinnah would promise full religious freedom to non-Muslims minorities. “You may belong to any religion, cast or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state. As you know history shows that in England conditions, some time ago (?) were much worse than those prevailing in India...Thank God, we are not starting in those days...We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are citizens and equal citizens of one state...”

Why then the partition at all? Why then the ‘parting of the ways’? Why then the great churning-up at all?

Jinnah made his inaugural speech as governor-general (designate), the president of the Constituent Assembly as well as the president of the Muslim League. What did Jinnah exactly mean by promising the minorities freedom to go to their respective places of worships? Was he not, thus, even if unintentionally, restricting their religious freedom to respective places of worship only? In that case, how could a non-Muslim ever aspire to be the head of Muslim Islamic state or of government ever? If so, how can such a state whether, a theocracy or theo-centric, be ever democratic to give equal rights and opportunities for its citizens.