Internal Security Watch

[ramana]

Vera_k, its useful to make your point and relax.People have rebutted it. Please dont continue in same vein.

[krithivas]

Manmohan appeals for peace as northeasterners continue to flee Bangalore
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 521373.cms
The PM is appealing for peace instead of enforcing peace via a massive show of strength.

[lakshmikanth]

Rajdeep Sardesai tweet: Lock up Maulanas and VHP goons who spread hate in the same cell. They deserve each other. The nation deserves better. Gnight

Yaar what did we do to deserve such idiots.

Either he is suffering from genuine Cognitive dissonance or he is genuinely an evil person who knows the ground reality that VHP is more of a boogey man. From the tweet, more likely the latter, and hence more dangerous. If people like this are not made aware that their position in society has a cost on them, they will continue this line to fool the larger population.

I think we should all tweet that Rajdeep is now cutlet because he equated learned Maul-anu$ to VHP goons and hence insulted Islam. How dare he insult Islam. Some or the other crazy influenced by mullah-crazy might do us all a favor

[ramana]

Media trying to paint cause of ethnic cleansing as racism and blaming social media. Islamists will now be embolden to carry out similar campaigns in other states.

In what way is this? How is it racism when the NE looking people regradless of their origins are being targetted by only Muslims all over the country especially in all the states of South India?

I think this event will have long term repurcussions on the North East dis-enchantment with greater India. This is the centrifugal nigthmare of the founding fathers.


What is the INC doing to stop this rising pent up fear.
Why dont they uphold the secualr Constitution?

Are they creating defacto Art 370 areas enforced by "misguided" Muslim gangs? With the Indian police standing by?

Where is Sibbal who was vociferous about policing the Internet for gandhi family criticism?

Here social media is being used to intimidate and terrorize Indian citizens.

Why arent the MMS/SMS being raced and come up with a spokesman from MHA at the center? When ciitiziens form one state are targetted in another state its not a state issue but a Central issue. Do they need to be reminded of their duties?

[pentaiah]

Gaas bhoos eating Singh lives


so far away from Bangalore

[RamaY]

Rajdeep Sardesai tweet: Lock up Maulanas and VHP goons who spread hate in the same cell. They deserve each other. The nation deserves better. Gnight

Yaar what did we do to deserve such idiots.

Either he is suffering from genuine Cognitive dissonance or he is genuinely an evil person who knows the ground reality that VHP is more of a boogey man. From the tweet, more likely the latter, and hence more dangerous. If people like this are not made aware that their position in society has a cost on them, they will continue this line to fool the larger population.

I think we should all tweet that Rajdeep is now cutlet because he equated learned Maul-anu$ to VHP goons and hence insulted Islam. How dare he insult Islam. Some or the other crazy influenced by mullah-crazy might do us all a favor

+1.

Turdesai is trying to save his skin by bringing VHP in to the topic, since he cannot criticize Islam/Muslims on its own.

The best way is to ignore the VHP part and call him blasphemous for insulting Islam and quote the relevant tenets/hadiths. How dare this kufr comment on the religion of peace?

[ramana]

x-post...

Looks like Hyderabad is also becoming Art 370 zone.

Hyderabad

http://zeenews.india.com/news/andhra-pr ... 93987.html

x-post from nukkad

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 519696.cms

Man, this is just outrageous. Nothing else but a hit job. The article is about Bangalore and threats to NE people in Bangalore triggered this article but the article starts off with a rant on Mangalore filling 80% of the article.

Threats to NE people were from Islamic groups. And this article is about Hindutva. For any uninitiated reader, it appears as though threats were issued by Hindu and Kannada groups. The whole article does NOT mention the word Islamic or Muslim. Nobody is even talking about Pune and Hyderabad incidents on NE Indians. This is definitely a propaganda.

[kshatriya]

Is everything a ploy to declare Emergency now that the architect of the earlier Emergency is President

[Prem]

National Movement and Communal Strife In India 1937-1947
( A Study in Strategy)
Start with Page 11.

http://books.google.com/books?id=xwf3BK ... &q&f=false

[nakul]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 521782.cms

No comment

[ramana]

Hindu reports 9 people arested in Pune for intimidating people from NE.

No names!

9 held for targeting N-E students

While nine persons were arrested for allegedly targeting and attacking students from the northeast, the police are still probing the reason for the assaults. Ten persons were beaten up the past week, prompting fear among the community in the city.

Some of the victims have claimed that they were asked by their attackers if they were from Assam, leading the investigators to question if the assaults were a fallout of the Bodo-Muslim riots in Assam, which also sparked the protest and subsequent violence in Mumbai on Saturday.

{Is that justification or equivocation allowed?}

An officer, requesting anonymity, stated that clips of violence in Assam have been circulated in the city, leading to the attacks. Students and professionals were attacked on August 8, 9 and 11 by groups of youngsters in Kondhwa and Cantonment areas of Pune.

Kahomdai Panmei, a 28-year-old professional, who was attacked on August 8 said: “I don’t know why I was attacked. I was beaten up with iron rods, without knowing what my mistake is.” Premanand Khomdrom was attacked on Thursday, which has led the police to see a coordinated plan behind the attacks.

The victims, however, have asked for support from the locals. “We do not know why people are attacking us. We just want to tell them we are not the ones causing violence in Assam, or in Myanmar. We are simple people: all we want is to study and work in peace in Pune,” Rock Lungleng from the North-East Students’ Forum said. He said the police were cooperative.

“The incident has sparked panic even amongst our parents. They want us to come back. But we are fine, the local community is supporting us,” he said. At a meeting held on Sunday, the police assured them of security, and stated that even leaders of various communities had been told to help them.
{What kind of help is it that perpetrators are protected!}

So when will the vandals in Mumbai be arrested?

[Victor]

Now SMS threats in Mumbai, Pune, Nashik also accompanied by large exodus. My guess is Delhi, Kolkata are next. I'm trying to figure out what exactly the peaceful will gain from this but I must say I'm impressed. 15% with balls holding 80% wusses hostage with ease. Hindus will not be able to replicate this level of coordinated nation-wide action for several decades yet.
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[Virupaksha]

Hindu reports 9 people arested in Pune for intimidating people from NE.

No names!


So when will the vandals in Mumbai be arrested?

Havent you read the news. This news was reported in BR about 3 days ago, I think by Atri. From the post just above yours


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 521782.cms

Mumbai police to wait till Eid for Azad Maidan rioters arrest

This time is being given by congress so that the rioters can slip away.

[RamaY]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 521782.cms

No comment

If, IF, this is true I wonder why any Indian Muslim should respect Indian Constitution and Constitutional bodies.

After all the same state organs are admitting that Islamic book and beliefs precede Indian Constitution.

No need to blame politics and politicians. The courts, police, babudom - why this and that, entire state is compromised.

That same is the case with another Abrahamic minority. They too played similar drama during Kandhamal crisis, AP church bombings, Kerala fishermen shooting, Kudankulam protests etc.,

No wonder all these worthies want the Hindu majority to be loyal to that constipation of India.

Aak thoo.

[member_23367]

Now SMS threats in Mumbai, Pune, Nashik also accompanied by large exodus. My guess is Delhi, Kolkata are next. I'm trying to figure out what exactly the peaceful will gain from this but I must say I'm impressed. 15% with balls holding 80% wusses hostage with ease. Hindus will not be able to replicate this level of coordinated nation-wide action for several decades yet.
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Victor,these 15% show balls only because of kangress.I know from my personal experience that these people are more wussies than us,trust me. They exert because they know that they can get away using Minority card. Remove the notion that Hindus are weakling.I think that this has to do more with politics than religion here.I sense Kangress haath all over.

[ramana]

Not really. The 80% wussses are lead by do nothing PM and his lackeys. Note the bigger image initially being created. Non Secular govt cannot protect citizens in the state. Now the rot is spreading all over.

And whats witht he empty threats against ruomor mongers? Why arent the SMS being traced and culprits being hauled up?

Why IPS officers are making pious statements off the record. No loyalty to the oath? Is it OK to allow people to threaten other citizens? Or they not getting bribes from the NE folks?

[ShyamSP]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 521782.cms

No comment

If, IF, this is true I wonder why any Indian Muslim should respect Indian Constitution and Constitutional bodies.

After all the same state organs are admitting that Islamic book and beliefs precede Indian Constitution.

No need to blame politics and politicians. The courts, police, babudom - why this and that, entire state is compromised.

That same is the case with another Abrahamic minority. They too played similar drama during Kandhamal crisis, AP church bombings, Kerala fishermen shooting, Kudankulam protests etc.,

No wonder all these worthies want the Hindu majority to be loyal to that constipation of India.

Aak thoo.

It is reason many in USA fight on gun control so they can impart vigilante justice when there is breakdown in state apparatus.

[Yayavar]

It is a ridiculous situation with the PM appealing instead of instructing and enforcing. But, surely the state govt/police can trace and order the arrests, and provide protection. what is stopping them or is it not apparent that they are working behind the scenes...

[Prem]

ul"That same is the case with It is reason many in USA fights on gun control so they can impart vigilante justice when there is breakdown in state apparatus.

Any NEastern Bhai effected by SMS should temporararily be provided a weapon till his street, town, locality, family is secured from the threat of violence by the illegal aliens.

[kshatriya]

Hindu reports 9 people arested in Pune for intimidating people from NE.

No names!

9 held for targeting N-E students

So when will the vandals in Mumbai be arrested?

The Guys arrested in Pune are already out on Bail...Who is Hindu bluffing ?

[RamaY]

Telugu News Paper: MIM MP Asaduddin Owaisi assured Assamese to not to fear and leave Hyderabad.

Why AP Police or Govt can give this assurance? Are they trying to create the impression that the security of Indians lies in the hands of Muslim minority's wits?

[Sushupti]

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... o-featured

Looks like "peacefuls" dropped by in person and gave the threat.

[nachiket]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 521782.cms

Mumbai police to wait till Eid for Azad Maidan rioters arrest

From the above article

Munir is not alone there are few others who have been advised by their lawyers to surrender only after the Idd celebration.

Sources said that these people have been advised by the lawyers to go underground or stay away from their permanent houses as police as well zero numbers (police informers) are moving around fishing them.

The pissfool protesters already have lawyers working for them. No doubt provided by those who planned this.

[Yayavar]

The PM is pussyfooting with 'appeal' What stops the state infrastructure from apprehending the culprits in AP, KA? Something is missing in this picture. Are they waiting for Eid too? If arrested before Eid what is the threat ?

[krisna]

^^^^
IIRC Kanchi shankaracharya was arrested on the eve of Deepavali for offence he did not commit, on flimsy grounds. Something like he had a helicopter which can fly to Nepal and escape from India. very incredulous and hypocrites wrt to Hindus.

[Ambar]

A while ago I posted the Islamic activation score card w.r.t %of Muslim population. Can someone post that link from religionofpeace.com/org?

The current fked up politics of UPA1 & 2 is leaving the states on their own making the islamists to handle one state at a time. Check where the current unrest is raising and % of muslim population.

75% of Kerala is made up of muslims ? I highly doubt it !

[RoyG]

Wondering what exactly is the protocol of BRF in the face of growing secessionist movements. Let's say Assam moves to secede from India and riots break out across the nation which IMO is in the process of happening. How exactly are we supposed to salute the constitution which claims we are secular? Why shouldn't hindus mobilize against the state if it is creating the conditions for our persecution? Supposedly the Muslims that stayed behind did so because they believe in pluralism but civil strife has only worsened. Hindustantimes is reporting that 18,000 have already fled Bangalore and not 1 Islamic organization has come out publicly and condemned this cleansing. What are our Muslim actors, cricket players, businessmen, lawyers, doctors, etc doing? These are supposedly the "good" ones who serve as the beacon of light for the rest of them, but where the hell are they?

[Yayavar]

First of all, why would you even consider any state moving to secede? There is a problem with Islamic fundamentalism - and Owaisi, Bukhari, and others - have been stoking the fires for a while. To take things forward these fundamentalists will have to come out in the open - as with Mumbai and now KA - and that will itself create a backlash. Though I doubt it will be along the lines of Hindu or Muslim. When Khalistani movement happened there were good guys - Hindus, Sikhs, and others - and the bad guys (the Khalistanis). At least that is my expectation. The percentage of good to bad may vary in different parts of the country. B'deshi immigrants in might cause a greater tilt in places (Assam, Tripura ..) or in places with known presence of islamic hoods.

[RamaY]

^ the problem is with the closet islamists and Christians with Hindu names. They are the chameleons who say they are Hindus and their Hinduism doesn't support Hindu assertiveness.

It is the problem with us (including me) asking them to keep our names, culture etc even after they switched sides. Now they are using that to their advantage.

If JK couldn't secede then Assam seceding is impossible. That is not the problem.

The strategy is to rule over all india using their vote banks and (sic) secular state organs and live off of Hindu hard work. When MMS talks about first right over Indian resources, he was talking about the human capital and service industry productivity.

That is why the congress system (AKA church under secularism) will not allow secession. It is all a knife over Hindu neck.

In these modern times the share of traditional resources as a % of GDP is much lower than human productivity. In other words they want to paracite over the IPR and productivity of 850 million Hindus.

[brihaspati]

First of all, why would you even consider any state moving to secede? There is a problem with Islamic fundamentalism - and Owaisi, Bukhari, and others - have been stoking the fires for a while. To take things forward these fundamentalists will have to come out in the open - as with Mumbai and now KA - and that will itself create a backlash. Though I doubt it will be along the lines of Hindu or Muslim. When Khalistani movement happened there were good guys - Hindus, Sikhs, and others - and the bad guys (the Khalistanis). At least that is my expectation. The percentage of good to bad may vary in different parts of the country. B'deshi immigrants in might cause a greater tilt in places (Assam, Tripura ..) or in places with known presence of islamic hoods.

Theya re too astute to go for separatism. Moreover they need not. All they need is to ensure protection of their institutions to flourish. Which they can already ensure to a great extent.

One needs to keep an eye and ear close to the ground and connections/interfaces to points within the Muslim networks to understand on what long term goal their leadership is moving. The stage that they are going through now, is consolidation of their institutions and gaining immunity from the state over these institutions.

Silently, territorial consolidation is going out by homogenizing a territory based social presence. Create conditions so that the non-muslim is effectively expelled, and then at the next stage try to territorial expand in such a way that disconnectd Muslim-dominant enclaves get connected to each other. The connections are being built along major transport and communication zones, ports, and the border with the two Muslim majority countries.

They cannot yet go for direct separatism. But they will eventually move to that - not separatism, but - Islamization of whatever remains outside their control.

[abhishek_sharma]

From the Urdu Press

Violence in Mumbai

Commenting on the eruption of violence at a demonstration by some Muslim organisations at Mumbai’s Azad Maidan, protesting against the communal violence in Assam and Myanmar, the daily Inquilab, published from several places including Delhi and Mumbai, writes in an editorial on August 12: “Since the media had not paid adequate attention... to the horrible violence in Assam and Burma, the details of incidents in these places did not come up at the people’s level, the photographs and details that reached the people through social media were enough to agonise the common man. That is why investigative agencies should have had a sense of the restlessness among the people. They should have also realised that even a minor spark could turn into a full blaze.” The paper adds: “Whatever happened was extremely regrettable. In such a situation, people should remain peaceful and cooperate with the administration.”

Rashtriya Sahara, in its August 13 editorial, emphatically says, “Undoubtedly, the so-called national media did not give to the incidents of Myanmar and Assam the importance accorded to even minor cases of violence in the country. But the response to it can certainly not be an attack on the media.”

The daily Sahafat, published from Delhi, Mumbai, Lucknow and Dehradun, says that “a protest by Muslims turned violent by the handiwork of some miscreants.” In its report, the paper quotes some eyewitnesses saying that “the miscreants were disguised (naqaab posh)” or “hiding their faces with handkerchiefs and pelting stones at the people as well as at media representatives and policemen.”

[JwalaMukhi]

The strategy is to rule over all india using their vote banks and (sic) secular state organs and live off of Hindu hard work. When MMS talks about first right over Indian resources, he was talking about the human capital and service industry productivity.

But none of the minorities seem to have problem with that statement. Even minorities other than followers of religion of peace didn't protest and make a whine about that. Presumably, they are ok with that and probably hope to have second dibs at the resources. Why are communalhindus taking umbrage about that, when every other so called secular minorities are happy with the situation?

[member_19686]

First of all, why would you even consider any state moving to secede? There is a problem with Islamic fundamentalism - and Owaisi, Bukhari, and others - have been stoking the fires for a while. To take things forward these fundamentalists will have to come out in the open - as with Mumbai and now KA - and that will itself create a backlash. Though I doubt it will be along the lines of Hindu or Muslim. When Khalistani movement happened there were good guys - Hindus, Sikhs, and others - and the bad guys (the Khalistanis). At least that is my expectation. The percentage of good to bad may vary in different parts of the country. B'deshi immigrants in might cause a greater tilt in places (Assam, Tripura ..) or in places with known presence of islamic hoods.

Uh yeah may be he read history & has seen enough repeats of it?

Why did Partition happen?

Why did Kashmir want to secede?

See a pattern there and involvement of a certain ROP?

Oh & now comparing the Khalistan movement to Jihad?

Have you taken into consideration the pre Khalistan relationship between Hindus and Sikhs and compared it to the last 1000 years between Hindus and Muslims. Do you find them even remotely comparable?

How many Hindus were massacred by Sikhs before the Khalistan movement began for being non Sikhs and how many Sikhs did Hindus massacre for the same reason?

Compare that to the number of Hindus slaughtered in Jihad (KS Lal estimates 80 million).

What do the Sikh scriptures say about non Sikhs and what does the Koran say about non Muslims particularly those who are not people of the book?

What is the worldwide record of the Sikhs?

Are they for example blowing themselves up on London subway after shouting religious slogans or flying planes into New York City buildings?

But ya lets keep comparing apples and oranges.

[Yayavar]

^^Surasena: It was not Punjab that seceded but a section of Punjabis (the Khalistanis) that attempted to.

[kshatriya]

After Bangalore, Chennai too sees exodus

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/kar ... 778806.ece

South India — which has never seen non-locals fleeing the region for fear of their lives — continued to witness the unprecedented exodus of citizens from the Northeast on Thursday, with thousands from Chennai too rushing to the railway station to take the train home.

In Bangalore, where it all began, their flight continued unabated with 7,500 more people boarding four Guwahati-bound trains — three special trains apart from the regular Bangalore-Guwahati Express.

On Thursday evening, nearly 3,000 workers and students, mostly from Assam, were seen waiting at Chennai Central, eager to board the two Guwahati-bound trains that were scheduled for departure at 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. on Friday. A number of them had arrived from Coimbatore and Madurai.

“Nothing has happened till now, but we are very sure something really bad is going to happen. Our Bangalore friends have said we have to leave before August 20,” said Bishnu, 21, who hails from Dibrugarh and works as a waiter in a restaurant in Chennai.

Chennai Commissioner of Police J.K. Tripathy told The Hindu that no complaint of violence against natives of the Northeast had been reported so far. “They don’t need to worry at all, they are safe. We will make sure there is no untoward situation,” Mr. Tripathy said.

But migrant workers from the Northeast appeared too panicky at the moment to pay heed to such assurances. “Incidents have already been reported from Hyderabad, Bangalore and from Kerala. I am very scared,” said Bishnu, who has been working in Chennai for the past three years. “It was never like this before. Everyone is extremely scared this time.”

“We are employed as security guards at the Siruseri IT Park,” said Bindeswar, who huddled with his colleagues at the Central station. “We spoke to our companies today but none of them agreed to take responsibility for our safety.” They heard rumours that four people had already been killed in Bangalore and said they did not wish to meet the same fate. “Our families back home are petrified. They want us back as soon as possible,” said Bindeswar.

Most people fleeing Chennai happen to hail from Assam; though smaller, separate groups from Manipur and Mizoram, were waiting to leave too. The sense of panic is evident in the student community as well, according to college heads. “This is mainly because their friends from Bangalore are sending them all sorts of messages and they are falling prey to rumours. We have assured them that they are safe here,” said a professor at Loyola College.

[Victor]

Good points from Mohandas Pai in the burka dutt video above.

The reality is that members of a certain community, in keeping with their demonstrated tendency and history, have ethnically cleansed areas of India in which they enjoy a majority without a peep from the government or security forces and are now doing the same even in areas in which they are a minority with the same result. So regardless of the attempts to reassure them, people simply have no faith in government and police to implement the rule of law and protect them from violence. They can see that terrorists and murderers are still on trial without being hanged years after their convictions and that the justice system has failed. Someone with a focused motivation is doing this and the Indian government apparatus is powerless against it.

How does even the most optimistic person see anything but the dissolution of India underway?

[Yayavar]

Bj,

Doesnt that then mean that one must not fall into the trap of x vs y? but, rather expose the fundamentalist - exactly as now when they have shown their hand. Folks stating Hindu vs Muslim on this thread are doing what the divisionist fundamentalists want. A clear division helps with the building of enclaves that you warn about.

Certainly the govt must act firmly and that is what is missing so far. I'm not sure why it is missing across all states. That is the weakest link.

[Anindya]

Any NEastern Bhai effected by SMS should temporararily be provided a weapon till his street, town, locality, family is secured from the threat of violence by the illegal aliens.

I do not think the next generation of the fight against this evil ideology will begin in India. Most forms of media and method of mass information dissemination in India is being sanitized or monitored by those who pander to the worst of Islam, and will be, for sometime to come.

This fight will however, begin in the US and Europe, by people who make many of us uncomfortable. The fight is not going to be pleasant and Indians will be affected, but the Islamo-panderers amongst us do take their direction from the west. Once mainstream leaders in the west and then enough elements of alternate media in the west take the turn, our politically correct may follow suit to an extent.

But, do not expect this fight to happen in India for quite some time. We're hesitant to arrest those who desecrate our national symbols, lest we offend some nitwit's religion - and, most media outlets will not have a problem with this - in fact, our islamo-panderers will almost always agree with this approach of the Mumbai police.

How will we ever fight this scourge?

Believe me, Gopal Patha would not be able to survive today's media onslaught for what he did.

[vera_k]

Not really. The 80% wussses are lead by do nothing PM and his lackeys. Note the bigger image initially being created. Non Secular govt cannot protect citizens in the state. Now the rot is spreading all over.

Solution probably is to have laws like Florida's stand your ground law where it would not be an offence to kill anyone making a threat.

But problem is state governments don't have much power these days in face of a hostile Center. Remember how often Gujarat passed the GUJCOCA crime control law only to see the Center block it. I think states need to band together and make it so that they have more autonomy in matters of law and order in face of a weakening Center.

[member_19686]

^^Surasena: It was not Punjab that seceded but a section of Punjabis (the Khalistanis) that attempted to.

I know that.

I am saying that you are comparing apples and oranges because this section of Khalistanis among Sikhs was much smaller than the number of wannabe Ghazis among Muslims.

How do we know this?

Just look at the behavior of the two communities historically and at present.

Did you see Sikhs rioting and burning buses because of the Gurudwara shooting in US the way Muslims did in Mumbai over Myanmar?

So your expectation that any future secession attempt involving Jihad playing out like the Khalistan movement is quiet misplaced. People are sickened by Muslim behavior and they increasingly don't give a damn about these mythical "moderate good" Muslims that we only see in movies and who never appear when it matters.

There is no point in equating a localized conflict which lasted for 20 years at most to something which has been going on for the past 1300 years and shows no signs of abating. History did not begin with August 15th 1947.