Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Suppiah » 28 Aug 2012 10:15

^^^ How brilliant..in the 'moderate' Islamic nation of Malaysia, anyone leaving the RoP has to similarly get approval from a body of clerics. Fat chance..

According to religious scholars, the misuse of the blasphemy law was tantamount to blasphemy,


Does this have any theological basis? Look like added for taqiya purpose and will be taken away later...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Suppiah » 28 Aug 2012 10:38



Sounds more like a arranged deal than 'justice'....oops sorry I am talking about shitistan here..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Rajdeep » 28 Aug 2012 10:50

A Q Khan floats own political party
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/A-Q-Khan-floats-own-political-party/articleshow/15867469.cms

Disgraced Pakistani nuclear scientist A Q Khan has floated a political forum 'Tehrik-e-Tahaffuz Pakistan' and said he plans to launch a countrywide youth awakening program ahead of the general election.
Khan, in continous feud with the country's establishment , said he plans to motivate the youth "regarding who to vote for and who not to vote for" , The Express Tribune reported.

"I will consistently urge youth to elect honest persons :rotfl: in upcoming elections and stand for survival of the country," he said. Khan was put under house arrest in 2004 after he admitted to running a secret proliferation ring that provided know how and nuclear components to countries like North Korea and Libya. The current government has eased some of the restrictions on Khan. He claimed traditional political parties had failed to deliver on their promises and said his party's campaign would ask the youth not to vote for traditional parties.


Hope he gives a ticket to the guy who made ppl visit for hajj by just touching them :rotfl: (a dumb kaffir question - how did they come back ? was their clone present at mecca who did the same for the return journey ? or did the pir take a flight since no one was here to "touch" him or did he "touch" himself for the pleasure of the hajj :twisted:)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby rohitv » 28 Aug 2012 12:10

BR being eulogized in The Nation.
Indo-Pak Cyber War reality check

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby rajanb » 28 Aug 2012 12:16

rohitv wrote:BR being eulogized in The Nation.

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http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/columns/28-Aug-2012/indo-pakistan-cyber-war-reality-check


We are doing a good job aren't we? :mrgreen: :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 28 Aug 2012 12:19

Wow

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 28 Aug 2012 12:25

Suppiah wrote:. . . anyone leaving the RoP has to similarly get approval from a body of clerics.


Leaving ? That's simply impossible. That person is a murtad and is liable to rajm.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 28 Aug 2012 12:28

Rajdeep wrote:
"I will consistently urge youth to elect honest persons . . .

Look who is talking about honesty !

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby partha » 28 Aug 2012 12:31

rajanb wrote:
rohitv wrote:BR being eulogized in The Nation.

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http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/columns/28-Aug-2012/indo-pakistan-cyber-war-reality-check


We are doing a good job aren't we? :mrgreen: :rotfl:

They think BRF is a cyber war weapon? :rotfl:
I am not surprised though. After all they think a 11 year old child poses danger to Islam.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Aditya_V » 28 Aug 2012 12:32

Wow the Nationof TSP! seems to be really perturbed by us?? :lol: :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Yogi_G » 28 Aug 2012 12:41

rohitv wrote:BR being eulogized in The Nation.

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http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/columns/28-Aug-2012/indo-pakistan-cyber-war-reality-check


They missed mentioning BENIS directly.... :(( :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Neela » 28 Aug 2012 12:52

BRF viewership in millions?!!!
BENIS,take a bow ! standtall! erect! :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 28 Aug 2012 12:54

I have a feeling that TSP is going to counter GoI's charges on the Assam issue by pointing at BR ! :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Lilo » 28 Aug 2012 13:08

Quoting the farticle in full before its modified or takendown.
Indo-Pakistan cyber war: reality check
Adeela Naureen and Umar Waqar

As per techtarget.com “Cyber warfare is Internet-based conflict involving politically motivated attacks on information and information systems. Cyber warfare attacks can disable official websites and networks, disrupt or disable essential services, steal or alter classified data, and cripple financial systems, among many other possibilities.”
As per Alvin Toffler, “the media fire blips of unrelated information at us. Experts bury us under mountains of narrowly specialized monographs. Popular forecasters present lists of unrelated trends, without any model to show us their interconnections or the forces likely to reverse them. As a result, change itself comes to be seen as anarchic, even lunatic.”
And may we add that the power of social media which is unbridled and almost free (minus the one which is controlled by vested interests) that you can find what recently happened in India for instance, the exodus of Northeasterners from (mainly) Southern India. Today’s discussion is not about India’s fault lines and the simmering currents of revolt knocking at the doors of New Delhi, but a sinister blame campaign launched by, apparently, supporters of the leadership of India that Pakistani groups were involved in a campaign to divide India. Despite our limited access to what happens inside the ‘Shining India’, we would like to expose the contours of a persistent anti-Pakistan and anti-Islam cyber war that has been waged by Indian groups (government sponsored and private) to demonize and belittle Pakistan in every way possible.
While being fully cognizant of the fact that it is only the resilience of the people that has let Pakistan float through its socio-economic and security challenges during the last one decade, the country at present presents an ideal target for cyber warfare and information operations. With help from some Pakistani intellectuals in print and electronic media as well as a policy of appeasement adopted by successive Pakistani governments, the Indian cyber warfare apparatus has been allowed a free run to bludgeon Pakistan as well as Islam.
The paucity of space for discussion here restricts us from doing a post-mortem of the Indian cyber war against Pakistan. However, few glimpses of one forum, Bharat Rakshak.com (which in our opinion is the vanguard organization of Pakistan and Islam specific cyber war apparatus), could be an eye opener for many. Bharat Rakshak (BR) is a Pakistan-hate forum with viewership running into millions. We wish the Aman Ki Asha group to have an open discussion with this forum, which would make it realise that peripheral, social and media exchanges for peace do not stand any chance of mitigating the hate being created by this one forum only. So, they may be wasting a lot of time of a lot of people across the great divide.
Bharat Rakshak has a clearly articulated offensive and defensive strategy in place and an admirable ability to pick anything from Pakistani or international media to demonize Pakistan. An interesting thread currently run by BR is, “A mirror on Pakistan in their own words by Pakistanis”. A section of Pakistani newspapers, TV anchors and intellectuals, who adopt an unnecessarily harsh critical approach to practices associated with Islam, are the most sought out and quoted in this thread. Pakistan is satirically named as Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TIRP)
Demonizing Islam as well as the Indian Muslims: Hate material runs into millions of comments and views insulting our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as well as Muslim akabireen and leadership. General themes include Islam bashing, Bangladeshi bashing, portraying Pakistanis as illiterate and ridiculing the sectarian divisions within Islam. An example of a disturbing way of expressing everything associated with Pakistan is that Pak-China friendship has been displayed by an insulting photograph, a monkey (Pakistan) riding a pig (China) {this refers to the well known pic circulating in Benis}:lol:. Pakistan’s ISI has a special forum for discussion and is one of the prime targets of the BR.
There is a confused and free for all strategists’ Strategic Forum on Subcontinent with self-created and imaginary threats discussed on a daily basis. It appears that the fear factor of being ruled by others has not left the Indian psyche even after getting independence. There are seemingly permanent imprints of that period, as confirmed by Bharat Verma’s latest book on India’s fault lines.
The Boomerang on India’s Face: What the cyber warriors of India forget is that you cannot insult a community which forms 20 percent of you demography, the Muslims of India. They do not realise that Pakistan bashing, Islam bashing and insulting our respected forefathers :rotfl:{The lampooning of their arap,turkic and other hijda "four fathers" got these porkis squirming like worms} would do them little good in the ultimate analysis; this practice would not be digested by any Muslim, Pakistani or Indian.
To highlight their anti-Pakistan and anti-Islam bias we will quote from Bharat Rakhshak discussion forum on how should the US fulfil the mean desires of India, “If the Americans think straight, and with a clear lens not dirtied with Gulf Arab oil and money, then they would not be confounded by Paki “treachery”. Paki behaviour will then be perfectly understandable and predictable, once they understand the true nature of the Sunnis. And then, never again will they make the mistake of going into Iraq of even Afghanistan to tackle radical Islam; instead they would squeeze the Pakis (the body of the snake) and the Saudis (the head of the snake).{This was extracted from here}
Those who negate the Two-Nation Theory within India or Pakistan must understand that, as in the past, it is being fortified by such virulent anti-Pakistan campaign.
Recently, Narendra Singh Modi :lol: accused the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) Government of disrespecting the Indian culture by allegedly promoting the slaughter of cows to increase the prospects of beef export. Well beef is a different issue, Mr Modi, especially when it comes to making good profit. Incidentally, India is forecast to become the world’s leading beef exporter in 2012, which makes it clear that there are no longer any holy cows. Only the Muslims in India will not be allowed to touch them!

The writers are freelance columnists based in Zimbabwe.Email: yalla_umar@yahoo.com

This news was published in print paper.
:lol:

Methinks these two paki specimens from Zimbabwe should be welcomed into BRF.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Narad » 28 Aug 2012 13:38

Ass-tag-fir-ulla!! It seems BR is causing too much itching in the wrong place for this paki motorham.

Meanwhile, Jo Lawhore me G@*** wo Zimbabwe mein bhi.....

It appears that the fear factor of being ruled by others has not left the Indian psyche even after getting independence. There are seemingly permanent imprints of that period
:((

Spoken like a true inbred retarted pakee onlee.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Lilo » 28 Aug 2012 14:06

Looks like a new star is born.

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Adeela Naureen is a freelance columnist who contributes to Opinion Maker and some newspapers. She is working on the phenomenon of Musharrafization :rotfl: :rotfl: of the Pakistani society as well as psychological effects of the Long War in the Af-Pak region.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Sagar G » 28 Aug 2012 15:08

India is forecast to become the world’s leading beef exporter in 2012, which makes it clear that there are no longer any holy cows.


Huhhh baki being baki, the actual news click

We wish the Aman Ki Asha group to have an open discussion with this forum, which would make it realise that peripheral, social and media exchanges for peace do not stand any chance of mitigating the hate being created by this one forum only.


Oh yeah bring it on :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby member_23629 » 28 Aug 2012 15:28

Delusions are a disease. BRF is the cure. :twisted: :mrgreen: It's a dirty job but somebody has to take out the garbage.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Yogi_G » 28 Aug 2012 16:04

Lilo wrote:Looks like a new star is born.

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Adeela Naureen is a freelance columnist who contributes to Opinion Maker and some newspapers. She is working on the phenomenon of Musharrafization :rotfl: :rotfl: of the Pakistani society as well as psychological effects of the Long War in the Af-Pak region.


May she be in her full Qalandari consciouness while accomplishing this task.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby member_22872 » 28 Aug 2012 17:02

From the link posted by rohitv ji:
Bharat Rakshak (BR) is a Pakistan-hate forum with viewership running into millions. We wish the Aman Ki Asha group to have an open discussion with this forum

Oh, I so wish they do that. If only WKKs can come over to show who they bat for. One of the rare opportunities I wish BR can take up to kick in their nuts.

and another one of their rants:
Demonizing Islam as well as the Indian Muslims

Why don't these razing jihadi nuts worry about their own? Ahamadis, Balochis are killed in scores, yet these shameless buggers want to be champions of Indian muslims, really makes my blood boil.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby nakul » 28 Aug 2012 17:07

We had one who was batting for Siachen. He is missing for quite sometime

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby shiv » 28 Aug 2012 17:22

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... lity-check
Those who negate the Two-Nation Theory within India or Pakistan must understand that, as in the past, it is being fortified by such virulent anti-Pakistan campaign.


Pakistan was created on the basis of the two nation theory and if BR is helping to fortify that we are helping to make Pakistan stronger. Pakistan needs more Islam. More purity. More strength. Anyone who disagrees with that is anti Pakistan. What would anyone sitting n Zimbabwe know about Pakistan?

If we were really anti Pakistan we would have threads called "Strengthening Hinduism in Pakistan" We don't discuss such things because we are fundamentally well meaning and favourably disposed towards Pakistan and Pakis who are suffering under the yoke of foreign colonialism, be it China or the USA. The authors want to milk the US for more money and line their pockets hence the bitter and false accusations.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Rahul M » 28 Aug 2012 17:46

Lilo wrote:Looks like a new star is born.

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Adeela Naureen is a freelance columnist who contributes to Opinion Maker and some newspapers. She is working on the phenomenon of Musharrafization :rotfl: :rotfl: of the Pakistani society as well as psychological effects of the Long War in the Af-Pak region.

we should send her a roll of toilet paper as proof of our good intentions. :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby CRamS » 28 Aug 2012 17:50

venug wrote:Oh, I so wish they do that. If only WKKs can come over to show who they bat for. One of the rare opportunities I wish BR can take up to kick in their nuts.


I have done that in private chat forums and elsewhere. The debate breaks down because what WKKs will do with full passion is bring out India's communal tensions as the equivalent of TSP terror. So TSP has Islamic extremists, India has "Hindu extremists". And the narrative assumes a life of its own. The problem is that this narrative suits TSP just fine and WKKs wilfully or naivly take that to mean TSP RAPE's genuine endorsement of Aman Ki Tamasha and absolve them of their state sponsored crimes against India. So it is a welcome idea to have a WKK visit here where his/her views are not majority, and get some sense driven into them. But then again, I have encountered many a WKKs (for e.g., that Naqui chutiya who pukes in TSP newspapers) who mask their India hatred using WKKism. I mean it takes a congenital India hater to suggest immediately post 26/11 that it is the equivalent of Gujarat riots under Modi, and there should be an accounting of "both".

Talking about cyber terror from TSP, Purefool has stooped to a new low. You can dig it out yourselves, but he says that "Hinduthva groups" are responsible for the doctored pictures that led to the exodus of Assamese from southern cities. If you have pukes like this, I wonder what amount of reasoned debate will change their mind? Or take the pervert Pankaj Mishra. Ask him to talk about TSP nuke proliferation, and he will talk about "Hindu extremists" nuclearizing "South Asia".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Aditya_V » 28 Aug 2012 18:01

It appears that the fear factor of being ruled by others has not left the Indian psyche even after getting independence. There are seemingly permanent imprints of that period
:((

Madam, please tell us how the national dress of Pakis came about.

These people are truly delusional

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Aditya_V » 28 Aug 2012 18:12

We wish the Aman Ki Asha group to have an open discussion with this forum, which would make it realise that peripheral, social and media exchanges for peace do not stand any chance of mitigating the hate being created by this one forum only.


Looks Like Paki crowd is unable to make any aurguments that will stand the test of logic on BR that even here they depend of Ama ki Asha group :rotfl: :lol: :lol:

Thier true nature being exposed here seems to hurt them no end and they realise that they no logical aurgument to stand on means they hope somehow Aman ki asha group can help them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby AbhiJ » 28 Aug 2012 18:29

Pakistan is satirically named as Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TIRP)


TSP? :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Dipanker » 28 Aug 2012 18:31

Adeela Naureen is a freelance columnist who contributes to Opinion Maker and some newspapers. She is working on the phenomenon of Musharrafization :rotfl: :rotfl: of the Pakistani society as well as psychological effects of the Long War in the Af-Pak region.



She needs to check BRF dictionary to know the true meaning of Musharraf! True though, the whole nation of Pakistan is one big Musharraf.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby AbhiJ » 28 Aug 2012 18:34

If the Americans think straight, and with a clear lense not dirtied with Gulf Arab oil and money, then they would not be confounded by Paki "treachery". Paki behaviour will then be perfectly understandable and predictable, once they understand the true nature of the Sunnis. And then, never again will they make the mistake of going into Iraq of even Afghanistan to tackle radical Islam, instead they would squeeze the Pakis(the body of the snake) and the Saudis(the head of the snake).


Real BRF Link

I hope Indie News Papers start Quoting BRF Discussions. Benefit for Awam.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby rajanb » 28 Aug 2012 19:01

Dipanker wrote:
Adeela Naureen is a freelance columnist who contributes to Opinion Maker and some newspapers. She is working on the phenomenon of Musharrafization :rotfl: :rotfl: of the Pakistani society as well as psychological effects of the Long War in the Af-Pak region.



She needs to check BRF dictionary to know the true meaning of Musharraf! True though, the whole nation of Pakistan is one big Musharraf.


One of the most hilarious pieces I have read since a long time. :rotfl: :rotfl:

I hope she writes a piece once she comes to the conclusion on the Musharrafization, or in BRF terms the @rseifization, of porkistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Suppiah » 28 Aug 2012 19:05

I say, has some Chanakyan BRF mulla adopted a pseudonym and contributed to nutty Nation, to push up the hit count? If not, this is really great news..

Before they approach the Aman ki tamasha crowd to discuss with BRF, it would be good if the Pakbaric jehadi terrorists can make up their mind as to who their 'forefathers' are...is it turks, persians or araps? Seems to change by the day..but then I am asking too much of a bunch that probably doesnt know who they fathers are ..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Virendra » 28 Aug 2012 19:55

LOL looks like the neighbors felt their raw nerve. :D Enjoy the squirming !!

Here's the real "reality check" so to all the neighbors .. wake up and smell the coffee !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5X6quBL ... r_embedded
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 28 Aug 2012 19:57

AbhiJ wrote:
Pakistan is satirically named as Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TIRP)


TSP? :rotfl:

Those two Paki authors are long-time BRf fans, that much is certain.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby johneeG » 28 Aug 2012 20:35

I think I have zeroed in on the root of all the problems of the pakis(imagined or real) which has lead to its present state and which will lead it to further ruin(unless and until it is addressed).

I think the problem started right at the time when the idea of Pakistan(as an islamic state) started. No, I am not opposing 2 nation theory(and no, I am not supporting it either). I am not going into the merits or demerits of two nation theory. I won't criticize the idea of religion as the basis of a nation either.

Let us, for the sake of analysis, make some assumptions:
a) 2 nation theory is valid(or justified).
b) the idea of religion as a basis for a nation is also flawless.
c) Islam is perfect and muslims don't kill each other(and further, that muslims love each other).

I know that each of the above assumptions is bogus(or at least highly debatable). But, lets assume them regardless, because I wish to make a different point.

Now, people may complain that if we assume all that there is nothing left to criticize. I disagree.

Anyway, the important point is that a regular paki has made all these assumptions. So then, what is the source of his takleef?

The root of all the takleef is that no one has yet clearly defined what is 'Islam', who are 'muslims'. In any other country, this may not be a major issue. But, in a country which claims to be founded for 'muslims' by 'muslims', this becomes a major issue.

The sectarian war that we are witnessing within Pak is the direct result of this lack of clarity.

This question should have been raised when the idea of pakistan was first floated. The Brits or the Congress must have asked the 'muslim' league to define 'muslim'. They did not. Jinnah claimed that muslims were completely different from Hindus in every way(and hence, need a diffewent nation). But, curiously, he never defined what is 'Islam' according to them.

One may ask, "Why is there a need to define 'Islam' or 'muslim'?"
The simple answer is that because there are diverging definitions of what constitutes 'Islam' or 'muslim'. Each sect has its own definitions of 'Islam' or 'muslim'. Each sect considers other sects as 'munafiqs'. Munafiq means a religious hypocrite who pretends to be a 'muslim' when he is not. And in Islam, the only people who are hated worst than kafirs are munafiqs.

Some of the major sects that claim to be 'muslims' are: Sunni, Shia, Kharijis, Druze, Alawi, Ismali, Ahmadiyyah, Sufi ...etc. I have come across one site that claims there are 73 sects in Islam.

What is more, each sect has many different schools. Each school again differs with others on the definition of 'Islam' or 'muslim'. To give an example: Deobandi, Barlevi, Wahabi, Salafi...etc are all sunni schools.

Among all these variant claimants, who is correct? Whose version of Islam is correct? The importance of this question cannot be over-estimated, especially when a nation itself claims that it is primarily based on this idea.

It should have been properly defined at the time when the idea of Pakistan was first floated. That was not done. Maybe muslim league wanted as many people to support the idea as was possible. So, they may have cunningly and/or cautiously avoided defining 'Islam'. But, once they achieved their goal of carving out a new country from India, they should have legally(and constitutionally) defined terms like 'Islam' and 'muslim'.

They did not do that. Instead, there was power struggle between various regional factions. Mohajirs had the initial grip on power. Very early, pakjabis(using their control of on army) sidelined the mohajirs and seized the power. Large demographics of Bangladeshis(or East Pakis) was becoming a threat to the pakjabi domination. So, there was a power struggle which culminated in the genocide of east pakis by the pakjabi army. Ultimately, east pakistan seceded.

The country was broken. As a direct reaction, the islamization of pakistan was further fueled. Pakis believed that they failed because they were not 'islamic' enough(not because of pakjabi genocide of banglas). So, there was further radicalization of paki society and state(including army).

But, the basic question was not raised by anybody: what is 'Islam'? or who is 'muslim'?

Without answering this question, pakis assumed that they had to resort to 'more Islam'. So, each sect (and each school within a sect) radicalized itself. Over time, the clash was inevitable.

Even in a liberal polytheistic environment(like Hindu society), such differences can lead to irritation. In a monotheistic environment, the affects are amplified. In a radicalized situation, they most certainly lead to violent clashes.

Since there is no clear definition(especially by establishment), the only other way to prove that one sect/school is right and others are wrong is by defeating it(or eliminating it) in a war. This is the idea prevalent in that society.

This has resulted in its present chaos. Each week witnesses at least one major sectarian incident killing people. There are bombs blasting each other's 'mosques'.

Right now, sunnis have control of the establishment, so they are ahead in the race. Others are suffering heavy causalities. They face either subjugation or elimination unless they are able to reverse the trend.

The full extent of effects of differences among the various schools has not yet come forth. It is another time bomb ticking.

In conclusion, even if we assume that:
a) 2 nation theory is valid(or justified).
b) the idea of religion as a basis for a nation is also flawless.
c) Islam is perfect and muslims don't kill each other(and further, that muslims love each other).

pakis first have an important task of defining 'Islam' and 'muslim'. Once they define them, then the assumptions can be put to test.

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Unless there is an equal equal of every paki problem eith corresponding Indian problems, the WKKs are not happy. So, let me give an equal equal of the above paki problem:
India's social and political problems are partly due to lack of official definition of 'secularism'.

Let us assume that 'secularism' is perfect and it is the correct method for India. But, there must be official definition of 'secularism'.
What is 'secularism'? How will it be implemented?

These two questions must be answered in detail. Without an official definition, each one(person/party/community) comes up with their own definition of secularism which leads to confusion.

Of course, some sections prefer this confusion(just like in pakiland some people prefer confusion over what exactly is 'Islam'). At the same time, they will claim that 'secularism' is absolutely above reproach (just as they claim the same about 'Islam'). The essential goal is to keep the idea of 'secularism' flexible enough to twist it to suit their needs (the same purpose is served by 'Islam' for establishment in pakiland)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby RamaY » 28 Aug 2012 20:51

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I think the problem started right at the time when the idea of Pakistan(as an islamic state) started. [b]No, I am not opposing 2 nation theory(and no, I am not supporting it either)[/b]. I am not going into the merits or demerits of two nation theory. I won't criticize the idea of religion as the basis of a nation either.


Why this clarity of thought? We are ok with kicking IMs out or cleaning them out, as long as someone else is blamed for that?

Why can't Bharatiyas clear about what they want first, forget about how?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby ramana » 28 Aug 2012 21:45

SSridhar, If its ok with JohneeG, I suggest that post be blogged as guest post on pakwatch.

Thanks,

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby ramana » 28 Aug 2012 21:48

rajanb wrote:...I hope she writes a piece once she comes to the conclusion on the Musharrafization, or in BRF terms the @rseifization, of porkistan.



Musharrafization of Pakistan is the Arshrafization of Pakistan.

Ask Amritrajh.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby pentaiah » 28 Aug 2012 22:16

Very well written JohneeG

The word secular in its original form in English was " those who do not believe or subscribe to any religion" however in this context it should not be mistaken for atheism
Atheism is denying GOD himself ( or his existence/belief in such an entity)

Like true chanikyans that we are we imparted new meaning to secular by saying in secular state all religions are equal footed.

The US constitution does not explicitly state that US is a Christian nation, nor does it state that it is secular (like Our stupid law makers amended and added secular socialist to the preamble)

Christianity also suffers from the same defects that you have cited
Roman Catholics , orthodox eastern , orthodox, Mormons, Protestants, baptists, lutherians
Seventh day Adventists (um um polygamy, big love) so on and so forth if the US founding fathers had indulged in declaring US a Christian nation of one dominion then US would officially be Paki
And mind you some of the stalwarts of US constitution underwriters were Quakers ! Who were persecuted in England ran away to Netherlands ....

In another analogy our chanikyans leaders also a
Twisted the meaning of communal into sectarian
Where as communal is used in a positive sense ( in US) meaning belonging to one people living together

Just my 2 paise

( the last episode of News Room on HBO series Will Macalroy the news anchor clarifies about US was not meant to be Christian nation as the right wing republicans, evanjihadis baptists and tea party hooligans propagate)
Amazing thing is that in US media and govt refers to BJP lead NDA as right wing Hindu govt and our arse whole media and psecular media and intelligentsia ok dementia follow

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Prem » 28 Aug 2012 22:36

SSridhar wrote:="AbhiJ"]Pakistan is satirically named as Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TIRP)


TSP? :rotfl:[/quote]
Those two Paki authors are long-time BRf fans, that much is certain.[/quote]

Old Baba Pagal Sehgal and young Baccha Nimbu Paani aka Ahmak Qureshi ,side kick of Lal topi are 2 prominent Pakistani victims of mental molestaion done by BR. Those Indian anal-ists who still think BRF Yindians dont have hold on mentally weak Paki imagination ought to reconsider their opinion. Many of the Paki newspaperwalas have followed BRF" Paki discussion, stealing the idea, and few days later on come up with the editorial on similar theme, subject.
May Allah bless Pakistani people with BR wisdom before the reach the maturity.Pakistani people are the peaceful people with least intellectual development in South Asia . It is our neighborly duty to hold their hand and develop them into the best example of Mazhab based TNT.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby BijuShet » 28 Aug 2012 22:46

From The Nation (posted in full)
Putin to visit Pakistan in October
By: Maqbool Malik | August 28, 2012

ISLAMABAD - Russian President Vladimir Putin will visit Pakistan in October on the invitation of President Asif Ali Zardari, sources said on Monday.

During the visit of President Putin, Pakistan would simultaneously host quadrilateral meeting of presidents of Russia, Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan.

“Date and schedule of the visit of Russian president is being worked out through the diplomatic channels”, sources told The Nation.

Sources said Russia and Pakistan would discuss host of issues of bilateral interest to boost bilateral relations between the two countries.

Regional issues including terrorism, extremism, security, trade and economic cooperation would also come under discussion between Pakistan and Russia.

Sources were of the view that there are various specific bilateral proposals Islamabad and Moscow were working to sign a number of MoUs including expansion of Pakistan Steel Mills (PSM), Karachi and cooperation in oil and gas sector.

President Asif Ali Zardari visited the Russian Federation from May 11–13 and held bilateral discussions on matters of bilateral interest.

During these talks enhanced cooperation between the two countries for BMRE (Balancing, Modernization, Revamping and Expansion) and capacity expansion of PSM was agreed.

Ministry of Production, Government of Pakistan and Ministry of Economic Development of Russian Federation were engaged to finalize modalities related to the BMRE and capacity expansion of PSM.

Similarly, sources said that Islamabad and Moscow were also working proposals to enhance defence cooperation between the two countries.


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